The Ultimate Super Sonic Model Showdown - How Many Tris?

Trying out the 3D model comparison thing again, this time with Super Sonic.
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[@hedgethewedge]

Every single Sonic The Fighters model that is publicly available is completely fake. They were the recreations from the Model's Resource that were passed down as real, but were deleted from the site in late 2016, but people still think they're real. I've actually ripped the real Super Sonic model from the game, and it's 1,386 tris, higher than SA1 but 795 faces, and 745 verts, lower than SA1

[@superplushroompower-up]

Thanks for helping to stop the spread of misinformation.

[@Princy_K]

Same for Shadow the Hedgehog cutscene model from shadow the hedgehog 2005

[@Zomboy4313]

I’ve got the actual STF model tho

[@PatchRabbi]

I knew it looked a bit off...

[@hedgethewedge]

@@Zomboy4313 actual super sonic model? cause i ripped the original sonic model too so

[@TheScarletWing2490]

"He looks too much like Shadow" Except that Shadow came afterwards in SA2, so if anything Shadow looks like Super Sonic, which was the whole point. Shadow is basically if Sonic was in his Super Form 24/7, minus the invincibility and flight (unless he takes off his inhibitor rings) I don't mind the "Shadow quills" Super Sonic, I actually prefer it, but that's mostly because I'd rather the straight-up quills be kept for Hyper Sonic, or Super Sonic 2 in Frontiers, so that we'd have a bigger visual difference between Super and Hyper aside from the colors.

[@LeonardoRodrigues-uj1sm]

"He looks too much like Shadow" BRUH THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!!!

[@lizardheisei1984]

Shadow was based off of the mural in angel island of super sonic bruh😭

[@ZeroWouldDieForSonic]

That's why they made it so that the top middle spine is pointed up now.

[@xavierrivera3407]

@@ZeroWouldDieForSonicI genuinely hate that, if anything they should of did that for shadow so his super form actually looks different from his base form

[@metaforth]

Doesn't mean he has to like it

[@WakoDoodle]

Tbh it feels like they made sonic look like shadow in super, to reinforce the idea that sonic was based off the mural in sonic 3 & knuckles. The problem is, super sonic never looked like that and to try and change an existing design to make another, newer character fit in to the lore is really stupid and undermines what came before it. If anything they should of made shadow look more like super sonic, not the other way around. That's like me introducing a green evil sonic and redesigning our modern sonic to look similar with the same shades and a jacket just for that game; to reinforce that this new green sonic is an evil version of our sonic. If he he was an evil sonic, he'd look like sonic; not sonic look like him. I like shadow and the design for super sonic, although problematic as I just said, is still cool. It's just strange they did it backwards. What next? We made shadow look more like mephilis because mephilis eventually takes his appearance? XD

[@chocolateglazeddonut]

1:55 sonic adventure1 came before shadow and shadows spikes were based on super sonic 4th btw

[@Bu11et_Hel]

would have know this if he played the games or payed attention to the story

[@chocolateglazeddonut]

@@Bu11et_Hel thanks for the reply

[@apersoniguess_]

to be fair given that its Shadow's default look unlike for Sonic, still makes sense somewhat

[@chocolateglazeddonut]

@@apersoniguess_ ok

[@littenfire3563]

No it doesn't. Super Sonic's Adventure design was before Shadow so Shadow looks like Super Sonic

[@justtrainingv1z]

with mural theory being confirmed, it makes sense that Super Sonic looks like shadow.

[@precieux6303]

Explain?

[@KikonSketches]

​@precieux6303 very short summary, there's a mural in sonic the hedgehog 3 & knuckles where it depicts a yellow hedgehog with flowing quills fighting a large being(eggman). Gerald Robotnik(eggmans father), was tasked to create the ultimate life form, skipping over a lot of other stuff to get to the main point. Gerald made shadow the hedgehog basing his looks off the mural, hence why shadow the hedgehog looks like super sonic. You should really watch the video on the mural theory as now it's basically been confirm officially due to seeing the mural and angel island in the extra content available for sonic X shadow generations. It's honestly really cool.

[@justtrainingv1z]

@@precieux6303 recent sonic x shadow has a physical journal that confirms that gerald visited angel island saw the mural

[@FossyPickles]

@@KikonSketchesgerald is his grandfather.

[@RikouHogashi]

Oh so its the MURAL was the inspiration for why Shadow is a hedgehog at all! huh makes a lot of sense it's a shame Gerald never expected nor knew about Sonic or Sonic's own family

[@Zomboy4313]

One thing, due to this just being in Blender, the lighting won’t be accurate, which is why lost world looks so golden

[@V.is.for.Vae.Victus]

Once again the SA2 model is the best in the lineup. SA2, despite its polygon limit, is absolute peak, even to this day.

[@elioleal34]

I wish they took the sa2 model in future Sonic's games

[@beanthebeanytps9574]

No sonic shuffle?

[@s-dew]

06 and Unleashed look miles better tho

[@V.is.for.Vae.Victus]

@@s-dew Graphically, yes, because of higher polygon counts. But SA2 has the best proportions overall. Amp them up to 06 levels, but keep the shapes the same, and SA2 wins hands down.

[@s-dew]

@@V.is.for.Vae.Victus the sa2 model is literally just a reskinned shadow... Sonic Unleashed has a lot of personality and so does 06. Dont get me wrong the sa2 model works, but to me 06 did supersonic better and unleashed even more so.

[@mrbanks456]

It's weird how the '06 Super model doesn't have sharp eyes. They look exactly the same as base Sonic.

[@XandeR1800]

I personally prefer the alternating spine look over the all-pointing-upward look. However, I can see an argument that it looks too much like Shadow's spines BUT you could also use the excuse of "Shadow was designed to look like Super Sonic as he's the ultimate life form" or whatever

[@SlamBolts]

Kudos for the Sonic Advance mouse pointer. I had that back in the day!

[@gameinguy]

The SA1 and SA2 will always be my favorite designs for Super Sonic

[@ultimat3748]

Another change I don't care about is Super Sonic he lost his cool gold reflective sheen and now it looks like a deep piss colour -Cybershell

[@Luckykougga]

Agreed. Super sonic should be shiny and golden, like sonic advemture

[@DicetheIceCube]

How did I never realizes in Sonic R Sonic’s golden shoe buckles are on the top

[@connor.chan.jazzman]

Its amazing how much more badass SA2 Super Sonic looks opposed to the other ones. I prefer the top quil pointing down and I love how serious he looks

[@TheOscarGamer_]

I honestly think that Super Sonic in Forces (not the mobile one) is really well designed. In spite of the short quills, the way it shines and the tone of yellow the quills have looks 'cinematic' probably? It reminds me of Super Sonic in Unleashed's intro cutscene

[@Dreadd11]

It’s almost like shadows design is canonically based on the sonic 3 and knuckles mural😮

[@gadget8637]

Where's that written, canonically, i mean. What game, or media mentions the mural specifically?

[@Dreadd11]

@@gadget8637 Sonic X shadow generations

[@littenfire3563]

I prefer the Adventure era quills. No, Sonic's Super Sonic Adventure look was BEFORE Shadow. So Shadow looks like Super Sonic

[@PeterEgbuna-ne9bp]

In my head canon sonic wasn't as experienced with chaos energy which is why his quills went up and down until unleashed where he finally got used to the chaos energy

[@Celeste-ty5pb]

that makes sense too, since in generations he's able to best perfect chaos with only half of the chaos emeralds, no super sonic powers needed ^_^

[@babygirl5748]

​@@Celeste-ty5pbHe didn't even use the emeralds either, just base Sonic.

[@dragnjames2190]

I think SA2 Super Sonic is literally just Shadow's head on Sonic's body with the golden fur texture. The brow and positioning of Super Sonic's spines are waaay too similar to Shadow's to be different heads.

[@gadget8637]

You're spot on there. Just some asset reuse on that model

[@milesprower6110]

Also, isn't Super Shadow color closer to being like white instead of golden?

[@DireNemesis]

​@@milesprower6110 yes

[@Kookie_13_]

6:21 yep burning blaze was on the screen at the same time as you could switch between them

[@allegro446]

3:33 hey that's the SADX model i ripped some time ago! thanks for using it in this video haha

[@ContentFreeTime]

Thank you for ripping the model!

[@6ixxvi]

“sonic adventure sonic looks too much like shadow” its almost like shadows design as the “ultimate lifeform” was robotnik trying to mimic super sonics form from sonic adventure 1. i mean thats the canon reason, but what do we know

[@M0n0chr0me]

when you imported these models they automatically got assigned materials to them, so how they look in your blender is 100% irrelevant to how they look in the game and most of the models you have are unposed and unrigged so theyre not going to all be floating for the sake of animation

[@baiNichiyobi]

thank you.

[@MostlyPositiveChannel]

Excalibur Sonic is my favorite Super Sonic! His polygon count is probably insane

[@laudennin7006]

"He looks a bit too much like shadow".Shadow was catching strays before he was even introduced to the franchise

[@luisgui147]

0:14 Wait...I HEARING IT! "CAN YOU FELL LIFE MOVING TROUGH YOUR MIND?" "WHOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAA IS LIKE HE CAME BACK FOR MORE!" "YEAH! YEAH! YEAH!"

[@FlameEliwood]

I love the golden look of SA2 sonic and am mad that this never stayed.

[@nightbrand8016]

Within the sonic series, Shadow would be cool. Release that one around the time the Sonic 3 movie comes out, the algorithm will likely boost you. Otherwise, you could do Mario or Link

[@MadWinter889]

I think my fav is either 06 or Unleashed. I love the 06 proportions. And I much prefer the upwards spikes for super sonic. Gives him his own distinctive silhouette.

[@maximyllion]

heroes is my fav modern model simply because it has the jagged, sharp quills that he had in STF and S3K

[@frickerrific2813]

This is it This is what you do now

[@ContentFreeTime]

I guess so!

[@mAu-DHD]

I know everyone is saying this, but for lore reasons Super Sonic's quills should look a little bit like Shadow I know Sonic Team probably retconed that, but still I want my lore accurate "Shadow was made to look like Super Sonic"

[@ScapeVEVO]

Def love things like this, seeing every little detail about how he’s designed at the time and how it translates from paper to model- I also like that Shadow was based on how Super Sonic looked at the time, and that he’s maintained that look- though I admit I’m very interested to see his quills always mirroring the current super sonic design, for consistency.

[@romywilliam8591]

SHADOW IS BASED OFF OF SUPER SONIC!!

[@ContentFreeTime]

yes

[@DLGanimator]

( 10:06 ) I will judge these models by how they look in game, effects and lighting are a part of how these sonic models look and it is the intended way of how they should look. My thoughts: 1. Sonic 06. In game, he is much more yellowish, it doesn't look like mustard like how it looks here without lighting. The only hd model with correct proportions, so obviously is the best one. 2. Sonic adventure 2. It is outdated, but it's anatomy caries it a lot. It has a lot of sauce, and it just screams cool. It has the best super sonic spikes in my opinion. 3. Unleashed. In game, the yellow looks much better then here with it's pale looking fake metal. Cool looking model i'd say, but the proportions are wrong. What saves this model the most is the beatiful lighting in game. It makes it look so beatiful, especially in the ps3 version where the colors are more contrasted. 4. Lost world. It's just unleashed with golden texturing, what can I say. While unleashed model has wrong proportions that ruin the style of sonic, the texturing caries it a lot for me. 5. SA1 DX Cool looking model. Looks like mustard? Looks like a piss? I don't care, it looks cool. I like how the yellowish orange blends in with his skin tone and his anatomy looks cool. It's outdated, but still really beatiful. 6. Frontiers, Generations It looks really identical. In game the generations model is more greenish yellow, especially in green hill. I like more yellow-orange then yellow-green, but It's fine. I dislike these models more then unleashed, because the reflections on his shoes definitely got dowgraded. 7. Forces Generations model, but washed out. It looks more greyish then gens model. 8. Sonic heroes It has correct proportions, but it's just boring. I find the heroes models to be very basic with no style and it lacks shading. And it definitely doesn't help that the lighting in heroes is almost non-existant. At least has better proportions then the unleashed model. 9. Sonic Adventure 1 It is silly. The sa1 dreamcast base sonic model looks cute. Super sonic is supposed to look cool. So, this is the result. Making something cute looking look cool never works out. It's like making kirby look like a strong being, you can't take it seriously. It is a stylish model tho. 10. Sonic Rush Don't take this as a bad thing, but I don't care about this model at all. Low poly ds model... Looks fine enough 11. Sonic R Look at him, he's so cute 12. Sonic The Fighters Pretty good for a first attempt.

[@MadWinter889]

I love the "inner glow" they gave super sonic in the cgi cutscenes of 06.

[@Bu11et_Hel]

The dude forgot they won't look 1:1 in blender smh

[@Bu11et_Hel]

You do realize that blender probably won't show all the effects and texture filters applied in-game right? like... a model will look one way in blender but a completely different way in-game (except sadx model). one example. lost world sonic isn't all that shiny in-game because of all the shaders that are used. Unleashed has color correction making the whole pale look vanish (the contrast in the game is pretty high in general, especially in night stages). and the "shininess that there is on the sa2 (also the sa1 one (it looks MUCH better in-game)) model is probably not even real because it's a baked texture and won't change depending on how the model is rotated because it's not cubemap based (something that is done only in game). Also something that pissed me off (and apparently other people) is the "He looks too much like shadow" when it's "shadow looks too much like super sonic" because of story reasons. (go watch a lore video or smthg I'm not going criticize you AND give you a lore lesson)

[@zrimjr.671]

Nobody asked you to yap this much 💀 dude wasn't even hating on the models lol. The fact that you got "pissed off" from this shows how sorry of a person you are. 😂

[@Amperedz19245]

@@zrimjr.671 He did'nt say that the guy hated the models he just said that a model in Blender isn't 100% identical to the one to the game and this is just fax so some critic can be invalid. I tend to agree with you tho with the "pissed me of" like even tho he doesn't know a lot of Sonic stuff he can still say what he likes and what he doesn't like and then the commentary can help him. Fantastic isn't it?

[@SalvageMaestro]

Honestly, I Like The Alternating Spines Way More Than The Upwards Ones. I Really Enjoy Ones Like SA1, SADX, SA2, Sonic Rush And Rush Adventure.

[@joelgil9770]

Hey! here's some lore. While Gerald Robotnik was creating Shadow he made him based on the scriptures of the ruines we see on Sonic 3 & Knuckles, that forshadow the last battle of the game with Super Sonic(or was it Hyper Sonic? i don't remember well). Gerald made Shadow with the image of Super Sonic , hence why he has the quills similar to Sonic when he is Super Sonic, it's like his natural state. That's why when he transform in Super Shadow his quills don't get up, he's already like that but boosted by the Chaos Emeralds's power. This could be seen in the final battle of Sonic Adventure 2, both Sonic and Shadow transform but only Sonic's quills form change.

[@Metal-ZX]

This is just a theory, they aren't that clever

[@jordan95623]

I’d be interested in seeing a side by side of Samus personally.

[@badsip]

Sonic fighters had peak models all around. Even metal sonic looked dope imo

[@nitrofish55]

As a rare Sonic 06 fan im pretty sure all of the super models relied heavily on the lighting and shading used, so in game it looks pretty good even if you only mainly see the back of the heads but without the lighting tricks it looks silly on its own

[@johnjackson9751]

If Sonic Unleashed SS had the same golden glossy texture as SA2 SS, it would be perfect.

[@NeutralVidiya]

I’m biased towards Heros and Rush. The spines on Heros just fits super sonic more than everything else. It looks spikey, wild in gameplay and powerful compared to the rest. While the one in Rush just looks simple, admittedly cheap, but charming. Who said less polygons were bad?

[@hellomarcus3624]

Oh no, Super Sonic with 2 mouths! Wait, that wasn't in Sonic Generations before!

[@tc3969]

Depending on the angle the in-game camera views Sonic, one of the mouths is rendered. It’s a trick SEGA’s been using since Unleashed to give Sonic that cartoony side mouth he has going on.

[@hellomarcus3624]

@@tc3969 oh

[@RealKanzo]

I kinda like when his quills aren’t fully standing up but kinda slicked to the sides like in the adventure games I dunno

[@kingjiy2778]

I’d love to see a video about the greatest character in the series, Knuckles, and all the different models he had. I think the best model he had came from Sonic Heroes, while my favorite is from Sonic Adventure 2 Battle with Darkskin Knuckles

[@Tronic-X1]

You should probably try to check the nodes to make sure you have all the proper textures setup for some of the latter models

[@BigNate60_2.0]

Just a point of note (tho someone else might’ve already said this), the model difference from vanilla SA2 to Battle is… well, they all look the exact same in gameplay. However, Battle’s cutscene models (yes, each character has a different model between gameplay and cutscenes) have better hands and facial rigs (I know the hands are different, but I might be wrong on the faces)

[@wakuwakusonicpartolcar]

“it looks too much like shadow” thats sorta the point

[@The_Real_Blueberry]

You should do Tails wonder how he changed over the years

[@RikouHogashi]

btw love that Sonic Advance pointer you got going on

[@deezmodsonly1497]

fun fact! Sonic's Super Sonic look in Sonic Adventure 1 is supposed to be the base look of Shadow! Thats why Shadow looks like Super Sonic!

[@FriedWafflez8208]

I absolutely adore how tiny the heads of the riders models are, they just look so dumb(literally)

[@Kookie_13_]

1:55 in sa2 shadows spikes were made to be like supersonics even when in his base form to make him look more like the op ultimate life form but eventurely they decided that they needed to differentiate supersonic and shadow for some reason and redesigned supersonic to have every quill point up

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

What about gens classic super sonic?

[@aramiskelly1464]

Those are sprites, not models. Explaining sprites wouldn’t really be relevant here.

[@blackmesa5465]

​@@aramiskelly1464 Gen stands for Generations my man.

[@aramiskelly1464]

@@blackmesa5465 gotchaaaa my bad

[@corruptedteka]

I do feel like it's kind of unfair to compare the Super Sonic models without lighting, because the point of the golden/yellow coloring is that Super Sonic GLOWS. The colors they have unlit just don't really match how they look in game at all. Still interesting though !

[@AdventVFX]

SA2 Super Sonic is still my favorite, it really gives me SSJ1 Namek Goku vibes with how angry he looks

[@viggo_k8656]

The Super Sonic model from Sonic Lost World at 8:35 is not meant to look that shiny. The metallic value of the 3D model's material got messed up in some sort of way when importing it into Blender, probably because the site you got the model from had a specific value assigned to either the 3D model or the material that Blender didn't recognize, and guessed it was meant to be a metallic value.

[@GlitchOnePlus]

Unleashed Super Sonic and Frontiers Super Sonic are the best looking Super Sonics in the franchise no doubt the SA2 bias is crazy

[@EclipseHedgehog]

sa2 will always be my favorite no matter how much chrome he shines.

[@FuntoonsYT]

All shadow models next?

[@FurryestX]

Unleash being PEAK models

[@FriedWafflez8208]

I would like to propose that we permanently change sadx super sonic's name to 'mac N cheese sonic"

[@sooubic]

Bro added Shenmue but missed Smash Bros

[@czms922]

Now this is my type of content

[@coolgamersonicyes7196]

Welp at least you remembered Sonic the fighters this time

[@AnaIsmySegal]

For some reason I can't find a refernce to it anymore, but I swear at one point I read that in SA2 (At least Battle), Super Sonic ended up reusing Super Shadows head when he actually had his own head made with a different eye curvature

[@Onaterdem]

Bruh you done the Heroes model dirty... I quite dislike how "overdone" the SA2 model is, and the Heroes model is just way more appealing to my eyes The low poly count I assume is a side effect of the multiple playable characters. They had to keep the poly count in check.

[@sonicguy1996]

I'm so glad they stepped away from the "Shadow Hair" Super Sonic design, it looked awful in comparison to his Sonic 2/3 design. Glad they finally decided to stick to that with all the quills pointing up!!

[@Amperedz19245]

I like it personnaly and I honnestly like both designs

[@AndroidGamer008]

I really like the rush model cuz his spikes look really good for sonic rush

[@ddddavyy8383]

I much prefer the modern design that has all the quills sloped upwards, it differentiates him from shadow i think which is a good thing since shadows deaign was originally just an edited super sonic model

[@MegaDriveMason-]

Shadow’s quill were based off of super sonic

[@TheSsjJoker]

see while Gerald robotnik (eggmans grandfather) was creating the “ultimate life form” he discovered a mural on a wall depicting what seems to be Sonic in his Super Form and he based shadows look off of that

[@hankosanko]

even though its not 3d, sonic 3 and knuckles super sonic is the best character design model thats ever existed.

[@frostypop934]

After sonic 06 it really is just the exact same model. We need a new one

[@GameOfDAYI]

Spider-Man models comparation would be nice

[@s-dew]

Honestly for sonic 06, just seeing it as is doesnt do it justice, the model looks vibrant and actually really good ingame, the whole solaris fight looks much better than most of the game anyway.

[@Neonethan_Playz]

I like the golden BlueBerry (SA2 Model)

[@blitzu6501]

In most models' defence, as you said in the video, their respective game engines give them what they lack on the review. Good video nonetheless!

[@AndrewWukusick]

I'd love to see one of these videos for the Metroid games, like all of Samus' Varia suits compared.

[@brentus668]

It's more correct to say Shadow looks like Super Sonic, because of lore, which means the more the super sonic spines looks like shadow's spines the better

[@AetherStryfe]

Which is how people can mistake Shadow with Sonic.

[@areakastudios6704]

Are Super Sonic's spikes supposed to be lengthened? If so, I wouldn't mind the Adventure model as much, but it just looks too LONG. I've actually always preferred the spikes floating up, but the branching out spikes looks cool, too when done right

[@CyberKevin]

WHERE IS THE EYE TOY SUPERSTARS MODEL????? (Also the tennis game?) This one is peak iirc 💛

[@rcjackal1861]

Tails or Eggman next. If you’re looking to dip outside Sonic, I would love to see Crash Bandicoot, who has changed a lot over the years.

[@NoCat.]

i should have known this video would be more sa2 glazing

[@ToonGodTV]

I’d for sure wanna see a Naruto comparison.. uzamaki chronicles, clash of the ninja, ultimate ninja heroes Would be interesting

[@milesprower6110]

Wait, we skipping Riders Shooting Star, Unwiished, Generations 2D, Colors 2D, or the actual Forces one?

[@Andresitum]

Original Forces has Super Sonic if you have the Free DLC

[@LeonardoCoelho-g3h]

Heroes to me is the best looking one, especially in game, man... i love Sonic Heroes.

[@theoneandonlysessy]

Pretty sure sonic chronicles had a pretty crusty looking super sonic model also

[@Wolfbok]

Is the colors ds model any different from the rush games? I remember playing it a ton as a kid and I was bummed that you missed it!

[@ContentFreeTime]

Apologies, as far as I know it's the same

[@slepak_pieter]

if you will see the opening animation from sonic unleashed i think you will quickly change your mind

[@ContentFreeTime]

The Sonic Unleashed opening animation is SSS-tier

[@Theneptuno]

I knew the sonic characters were in Shenmue but never seen that super sonic model

[@RikouHogashi]

ngl wish Sonic R's Angry Eyes shape was on The Fighters' version to match Sonic 3's style even more also to be more in line of Goku's initial super saiyan form vs Frieza expression not to mention Heroes Super Sonic is more Saiyan Hair-like on par with Fighters but yeah Unleashed and onward really nailed down the look

[@UltraBeastMode01]

In my opinion, Super Sonic looks better with Upward Quills Rather than Outward Quills, He looks more powerful that way.

[@scotland.spidey2198]

I would love to see a model side by side comparison of Rayman next pls 👍

[@Rocket_PC]

Welcome back, low poly...

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

I miss the adventure era super sonic, tho i think the sonic the fighters model is the best as its one to one to the classic sonic art

[@windy3935]

Do (base) Shadow model comparison next. This isn't up for a debate, it's the Year of Shadow. The perfect time to do it.

[@itsyaboi3951]

Do Shadow next because its the year of Shadow