Specialized was really a tire company back then before making frames if I remember my bike history correctly, if so, that really raises my confidence in using these model tires
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Didn't know that, thanks for sharing
@DocB74836 ай бұрын
I ride Butcher T9 in the front and Eliminator T7 in te back, both grid trail. Very good tires, no nee for going back to Maxxis or other brands.
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Agree the in-house brands are underrated
@bthomas5186 ай бұрын
Have that combo on my spare wheel-set, Butcher Grid T9 front/Eliminator GridTrail T7 rear, they do grip very well, but draggy rolling/climbing. Planning to throw them on for lift serviced bike park days! Insanely good value when you catch them on sale too, think I paid under $80 for both.
@marklouieadame6 ай бұрын
I use eliminator t7 center and t9 side knobs using front and rear. Fast rolling and grippy side knobs
@blakekennard7700Ай бұрын
Running eliminator 2.6 front and rear in the grid trail t7 compound on my hardtail. Been using them for 2seasons in Ohio weather/terrain and would absolutely recommend these tires.
@tmayberry755912 күн бұрын
How good are they in the wet and mud What about GC and fast traxx tires
@tobyg45566 ай бұрын
Im a huge fan of specialized tyres. Their Ground control is my go-to rear tyre. They are also very reasonably priced in the UK.
@IIISentorIII6 ай бұрын
Yea in Switzerland you get one for ~40 Euros. I also like the Fast trak on the rear and GC front.
@trailpimp63696 ай бұрын
Specialized makes great tires dude. I used to use this combo on my enduro bike. Great tires. I am on a freeride e bike now so I have to use DH tires.
@mad3arber6 ай бұрын
The butcher is a fantastic tyre using a T9 since last summer on the front. Lighter than the DHF or assigai put 800k on it and still looking fresh. All distance was at glentress or golfie !!
@yuglobalcitizen22466 ай бұрын
Where should I put cannibal t9? Front or back? I ride trail only for now. The OEM butcher and eliminator don't grip as much as I want in cornering. Maybe because I have been ridden them for 2 years, 260 miles a year.
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
I would start with the front...looks like an Assegai
@christhrift61656 ай бұрын
I ride butcher grid trail t9 front and prefer the eliminator grid trail t7 on rear great fast combo on my new stumpy pro. Also use same combo on my remedy
@motorboy19665 ай бұрын
Maxxis wear out very quickly. I get maybe 3 months out of a set and they are shot. Knobs ripping etc. I can get 2 seasons out of a set of Specialized.
@LoveMTB5 ай бұрын
How’s the grip in comparison? And what compound Maxxis have you used?
@mudkayak63053 ай бұрын
how does Purgatory vs Eliminator work as a rear tire? im wanting more grip but not excited about giving up rolling resistance. Current set up is Butcher T9 grid trail front / Eliminator T9 grid trail rear.
@LoveMTB3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately don't know and they have a new Purgatory design now which looks more agressive.
@yamahschector4 ай бұрын
I must have found some old stock purgatory and butcher tires. Mine are not T7 and T9. Mine are trail gription compound. The shop had them at crazy prices of $20 a piece.
@abtcup6 ай бұрын
Using the Eliminator and Purgatory in the T5 on a 120mm bike.. Its a great combo for intermediate trails. I'm a light rider (145lbs/66kg) and these roll noticeably faster than the Hans and Nic combo I have on my 150mm bike. I also have the Butcher/Eliminator on a 140mm 27.5 bike and those work great for me on shuttle trails and bike parks.
@trentvlak6 ай бұрын
Good work on the caliper measurements! I've owned this Butcher. It's ok. The stepped inside edges on the Butcher side knobs do not give any performance improvement.
@wildman93646 ай бұрын
speaking of that I just picked up a butcher tire yesterday Grid trail in a T9. will test it on the front for my Remedy. Cheers
@theshonen88996 ай бұрын
Every Specialized tire I've ever used (Butcher, Purgatory, Eliminator) have all had weeping sidewalls after a few months. The GRIPTON compound also just have significantly worse grip than Maxxis or WTB tires I've used. They're lightweight and fast, but I'm not a racer so I don't really care. Going down steep sections at Whistler with a Butcher/Purgatory combo felt like a death wish, the rear would slip over roots and the front would wash out in corners. Swapped them for DHF/DHR II combo and it was night and day (this was their standard dual compound, not even their 3c MaxxGripp compound). My XC bike with WTB Vigilantes in light and fast rolling casing are also much grippier while also being fast rolling.
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Maybe it is why they redesigned the Purgatory? I only rode Maxxis in Whistler and can't complain, they were always great.
@IIISentorIII6 ай бұрын
I use the Ground Control grit t7 front and fast trak t5 rear on my Stumpy for 1.5 Year. Fast rolling, grippy and "light". The Butcher T9 is to slow rolling for me but otherwise i like it. Cheers from Switzerland
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing and cheers from Canada!
@IIISentorIII6 ай бұрын
@@LoveMTBJust want to let you know, I ordered the Elite Wheels pro 36 with your promo code Today. There was a offical 18% sale but I used your 15% anyhow for supporting you 😁 CHEERS
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Appreciate it man! Hope you will love them as much as we do🤘@@IIISentorIII
@jolyzara6 ай бұрын
Have Ground Control-Control front & rear on my trail bike. By far my favorite tire. Have Fast Trak s-works front, renegade s-works rear. Definitely light and responsive for racing but just not the ground control.
@waynelenderman11156 ай бұрын
All the Specialized tires are 60 TPI (threads per inch) sidewalls. I ditched my specialized tires. I currently have a Maxxis Assegai DD MaxGrip 2x120 TPI sidewall front tire. A Dissector Exo+(the EXO+ is a extra layer over the sidewall, which Specialized tires don't offer)TerraGrip 60 TPI rear. Night and day difference. Maxxis is the better tire for what I'm looking for.
@donnovicki97716 ай бұрын
Great review as always. Congratulations on going over 80K subscribers, hope the channel keeps building subscribers.
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@Dustyschuh6 ай бұрын
I have a Butcher T9 in the front and a Ground Control T7 in the rear on my Epic Evo! Both in the Soil Searching colors. Love it
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Sounds great!
@jackiegammon20656 ай бұрын
Sadly, anytime you add more sidewall protection or different types of grip etc... you generally add more weight. Tires for all brands are getting much better for sure, now it's simply our choice to select what type of ride we are looking for and a brand or two to support.
@SekritKomrade6 ай бұрын
I currently am running a 29x2.4 Hillbilly in the front and a 27.5x2.6 Butcher on the rear and I love the combo. The Hillbilly has a softer sidewall, as it's a muddy/loose tire, but i keep it a little higher psi than average and it rides very nice.
@andreuosika6 ай бұрын
I've got this spec on my '23 Stumpy and overall im very happy and will continue to run this combo for NorCal/Bay area riding. They seem to be custom designed for this terrain, and the grip is fantastic. They may be a touch slow when on fast dry, flat trails/fire roads, but otherwise and excellent combo.
@abneriidelacruz67056 ай бұрын
The Butcher in the grid trail casing is great! Lighter than an assegai with just as much grip. I've ridden it in the bike park and it held it's own. I am yet to try the purgatory on the rear. I currently run a xynotal enduro soft casing on the rear and it pairs well with the butcher.
@whitm88234 ай бұрын
fast trak and renegade review coming soon??
@LoveMTB4 ай бұрын
I guess I should add those to the list shouldn't I? 🙂
@snokefilmmedia6 ай бұрын
Note that the Purgatory model you are showing here is the old 2020 model. The 2023 model received a major overhaul and has a completely different tread pattern.
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Yup! In the video at the end ;)
@snokefilmmedia6 ай бұрын
@@LoveMTB Hehe, yes I saw it just moments after I made the comment. It's at 5:38 in the video for anyone curious :) Very nice review, would love to see more tire reviews like this.
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
I'llsee what I can do 😊@@snokefilmmedia
@kingrat7386 ай бұрын
My AM rig (custom Trek Remedy) has had 27.5x2.6 Grid Gravity Butcher and 27.5x2.6 Grid Gravity Eliminator tyres on it for Spring/ Summer. With Winter just around the corner, I'll be changing to a Magic Mary and Big Betty combo. Re, the Specialized tyres... they're a solid combo. They do measure up more like 2.5 tyres, particularly the Butcher. I feel they're tougher than a Maxxis Double Down. Which is great on rocky terrain. Thanks for the info about the updated Purgatory. I'll be looking for a rear tyre for my mullet Park Bike next season. A 2.6 Grid Gravity Purgatory might be the goods. 👌
@kingrat7386 ай бұрын
Appears they don't offer Purgatory in Grid Gravity casing 🙄
@andronin6 ай бұрын
I had a pair of 2020 Butcher , T7 and a T9, warrantied as the side lugs were literally tearing off the casing after 300km. The 2023 versions are far better, have over a 1000km now For cross country riding I use a T5 Ground Control with T7 Purgatory front. All in Grid Trail.
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Yeah these newer tires are supposed to be better than the old in almost every way.
@yamahschector4 ай бұрын
Specialized has the best tires and you do not need to buy the expensive stuff out there.
@2scoops6246 ай бұрын
I've been running a 2.3 Purgatory GRID up front and a 2.3 Slaughter GRID Trail in the rear on my XC wheel set for about 7 months now. Overall, a very good tire, good mix of grip and rolling resistance. Both tires did seep more sealant through the sidewall than any other tire I've used, not bad, but it was there. The sealant dried up about 2x as quick as my Maxxis or WTB tires. Both tread patterns are not great for mud. Still a good tire.
@marklouieadame6 ай бұрын
Slaughter grid is so fast but can still do cornering
@ralva27796 ай бұрын
Butcher T9 and Eliminator T7 with Cushcore on a 50 pound e-bike and they work well. Mix of pathway and trails for close to a year now with little issues (except tightening tubeless valves). 😎
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Good stuff!
@TMaddison6 ай бұрын
Specialized tires are great, whatever combo you like. I'm currently running a Butcher t9 front and a Butcher t7 rear and its been perfect for me :)
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@digital2k66 ай бұрын
That is the outgoing/discontinued Purgatory. New/current one is totally different update design.
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Yup, that's in the video also 😀
@joen39926 ай бұрын
Love my Fast Trak rear and front 27.5 for winter riding with EVO brand tubes. Summer, I love using the Crossroads 700c x 38 for commuting. Great tires, under 40 bucks each and bullet proof. Cheap and cheerful I always say to riders....The combo in your video are a set to get someone started riding Speicalized bikes. Have not met one pro rider who trusts them since the purgatory is known for weak side walls for thorns and sharp rocks.
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Agree with you. But for someone like my wife the Purgatory rear is just fine
@athishmarutharaj60013 ай бұрын
purgatory=maxxis highroller 2?
@LoveMTB3 ай бұрын
The old one, new is like a Dissector
@athishmarutharaj60013 ай бұрын
@@LoveMTB thanks
@bthomas5186 ай бұрын
Old version of Purgatory Grid T7 wasn't giving me great grip for climbing SoCal terrain, the Butcher front is awesome though. Have since switched to Maxxis EXO 3CMaxxTerra Rekon in the rear and it is much, much better for climbing and rolls at least as fast as the old Purgatory. Have a new set of Schwalbe tires I'm planning to mount up next: Wicked Will, SuperTrail casing, Addix SpeedGrip compound rear/Tacky Chan, Super Trail, Addix Soft front. They feel awesome in hand and look like they'll roll really fast with good grip; at least as good as Maxxis stuff.
@lucaneuburg9766 ай бұрын
for my xc/trail use on my hardtail ..i got a Ground Control 2,35 wide T7 Grid compound for the rear and Eliminator 2,3 wide T9 Grid on the front tire... Really really happy with this combo!!!!! My GF has the same back Ground Control tire paired with the NEW Purgatory T7 Grid on the front and she likes it. I previously bought her the NEW Purgatory T9 Grid Trail version for the front but was too heavy duty, maybe due to the T9 compound mixed with Grid Trail casing....and I'm selling it..I think that the Grid ( versus Grid Trail ) casings are good enough for xc trail rides. By the way I found that the new EPIC Evo uses the same combo.. Ground Control T7 Grid on the back and Purgatory T9 Grid on the front...A bit similar to a EXO Rekon/Dissector combo I guess..which I had on my Orbea Occam, but I prefer the Specialized setup much more! ( a bit cheaper too )
@Jacob991746 ай бұрын
Great tire review! I needed an 11-speed X1 review recently, and watched a review of yours from 7 years ago. You’re the man
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Glad to help 🤓
@eXaviar6 ай бұрын
I used the Purgatory front and Ground Control back as my XC combo and an Eliminator front and Purgatory back as my Trail combo. The Eliminator was disappointing, when is was damp. Way to slippery. So I went for a Butcher T9 front and Butcher T7 back 😍
@adammoonface6 ай бұрын
Butcher T9 front and Purgatory T7 rear on my hardtail. The T7 is a little harsh tbh, and the grip isn't fantastic when muddy. The butcher is absolutely faultless however. Keen to see how I get on over the summer months though
@numbers79056 ай бұрын
It would be great to hear what you think of the new Purgatory. It looks a lot like the Butcher with lower centre knobs.
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
I agree, it looks very different. I'll see when I can get my habds on one.
@nigelhagley89425 ай бұрын
Very keen to hear your review riding this combo. Good video thanks!!
@LoveMTB5 ай бұрын
It works great for trail riding, we've been riing it since the video
@alinburtoi70286 ай бұрын
I have used specialized fast trak s-works 2.35 and I liked them. Very light, supple tire with good levels of grip the only downside was that I had to put more pressure in them in order to not collapse when pushing hard throw corners.
@ninjazzrhythm4006 ай бұрын
I use the butcher front and rear and I like on my trail hardtail bike but i use the Assegain Dhr for my enduro but I think I like tmy old set up Magic Mary and Big Betty better. I will go back to it once I wear out my current set up.
@andrewsiasparks6 ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of the specialized tires. They wear out really fast. They might be good for a race event but I bet they would wear out in a weekend of hard riding
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Do you have experience with the different tire compounds T5/T7/T9? Some would definitely wear faster than others
@andrewsiasparks6 ай бұрын
@@LoveMTB only the T7 and 6 that's all they had at Brantford cyclepath at the time
@andrewsiasparks6 ай бұрын
I have a set of the butcher grid trail 29 and the rear wore out extreamly fast. same happened with the ground control 27.5
@GokkunGuru6 ай бұрын
Renegade F&R for me.
@yamahschector4 ай бұрын
The purgatory, ground control, and the slaughter are my favorite tires ever. I pulled a rear maxxis dissector to put a slaughter on. I currently have 2 bikes with slaughter rear tires.
@LoveMTB4 ай бұрын
I will check them out! Thx
@yamahschector4 ай бұрын
@@LoveMTB the slaughter is a fast center tread parent with I believe butcher side knobs. Maxxis has a minion ss I considered getting this time as well. The minion and slaughter are very similar. I ride the slaughter everywhere from simple days to chairlift park days. I have it on a trek slash 27.5x2.3 and on a commencal meta ht mullet 27.5x2.6
@LoveMTB4 ай бұрын
@@yamahschector Funny have not heard anyone talk about the minion ss in a long, long time!
@Bixbysayshi6 ай бұрын
Perhaps I'm coming at this from an unfair perspective as someone who mostly rides park (think dry dusty loam, bluegroove braking bumps, volcanic rock garden, cantaloupe/basketball sized granite rock gardens, and occasional chocolate cake style mud when it rains) and desert enduro (think sugar sand, pea/grape sized rocks over bluegroove washboard hardpack and lots and lots of rock gardens) using a 160/150 bike and being used to running DH casing super soft front, soft rear (I've been riding kryptotal, xynotal, assegai, dhr, dhf, dissector, magic mary, big betty, and hans dampf throughout the past two years) almost year round. But I tried the Grid Trail Butcher T9 front and back in a 29x2.3 about a month ago for 2 weeks, and by far they have been my least favorite. the sidewalls were so flimsy it felt like an underinflated beach ball when hitting anything bigger than a golf ball on the trail until i had them over 30 psi (and this was not at the bike park, this was the loose/hard desert riding) which felt awful and like I was riding on basketballs. They had about as much lateral grip as a comb through hair, and would push outwards like crazy compared to the assegai/kryptotal/magic mary even in the regular soft/intermediate compound, let along super soft. I feel like the hans damps or dissectors would be a WAY better choice than these. I expected a LOT more out of the T9 compound. I see a pretty even split between people who love them, and p[people who abhor them. Those of you who love them, what are you preferring them over and what exactly are the characteristics you like more than other tires? I'd love to know what I was missing. I know a lot of my expectations are a little unfair coming from a lot of DH casing/super soft usage, but when it's not park season, I'm only using trail casing, medium compound tires. which I feel is what these are kind of supposed to slot into? the Grid Trail casing I was using anyways.
@blinky20354 ай бұрын
It sounds like the grid trail casing is too light for what you're after. Maybe try the grid gravity casing. I have no idea how the grid casings compare to continentals or maxxis offerings
@ilgour6 ай бұрын
next video : new specialized epic 8 =)
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Really hope I can get my hands on one!
@greatghettoful6 ай бұрын
My son had Butcher T9 stock on his Status. Knob peeled off. Peeled completely off not like the typical wear and tear peeling on the side/cornering knobs. Reproduced on a friend’s Butcher as well (many knobs peeled off on one tire). I don’t see any pro riders using Specialized tires unless maybe they’re sponsored by Specialized. Also saw knobs peel off recently on my son’s Schwalbe on Canyon Luxury Trail bike. Replaced all tires with maxxis or continental. I’ve had good luck and consistency with maxxis and continental so far. Knobs never peel off.
@LoveMTB6 ай бұрын
Hmmm I'll keep an eye on our tires. I know what you mean about Schwalbe though
@cunning-stunt6 ай бұрын
Same with mine, although saying that my Maxis DHR is currently doing the same. The Continentals seem a lot tougher.