Love the comparison. Great job. But is there a way that you could summarize the data when you do these tests in a table? Easy to see the big picture.
@Sean-oy5ks3 жыл бұрын
Yesssss! A 20 min video is cool, but a table with model, time to boil, and fuel used would be a nice recap! Thanks!
@ondrej_kraus3 жыл бұрын
Table with results will be great 👍
@jedicazador3 жыл бұрын
Yes please, I’m looking in the comments for one too
@julianscott46822 жыл бұрын
I second that
@cestmoi7368 Жыл бұрын
@@julianscott4682 same
@ericjanssen28863 жыл бұрын
I’ve always enjoyed watching my lawn get watered with my sprinklers I’m not surprised I love watching water get boiled on KZbin thanks Ernie
@CanItAlready3 жыл бұрын
I can't help imagining that you must have an entire room dedicated to stove storage. ☺️ I love these videos. I find portable stoves of all kinds fascinating.
@russelljackman14133 жыл бұрын
Yup, I love my Soto Windmaster, too. Thanks, Ernie!
@mr.blessing21553 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna suggest this video when people ask me about stoves!!
@tridoc993 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your super-thorough and scientific approach to these videos
@naph20612 жыл бұрын
I've always loved Optimus stoves I've been using the same classic trail for over 5 years!
@farmhouse43 Жыл бұрын
Man, I really appreciate comparisons like this 👍
@trailheadjunkie2 жыл бұрын
This was a detailed and informative comparison test. Before watching this video Im glad I went with the windmaster it has never failed me even in windy conditions. Thanks for making this video :)
@russellroberson86512 жыл бұрын
This was one of the best reviews of these types of stoves I've ever watch. I have two of the stoves in this testing, Whe I was station in Germany back in the mid 80's almost every Soilder had this are that type of small portable stove that they took to the fields.
@mel63613Ай бұрын
When I was Winter camping, i used my Coleman Peak 550b one winter. Another February, i used my Svea 123. Both worked at Minus 30C, and i had my morning coffee. 😂
@Thestripper12 жыл бұрын
The more interresting aspect with any stove is how realiable it is over time. If it boils water in 3 or 4 minutes really doesn't matter when you are out there. How does it attach to the canister? Is it resting on the rim or only on the threads? How well does the adjustment work? Does it mater if you bump in or pull the adjuster or does it only schange flame once twisted?
@jevelwilson Жыл бұрын
Great review, thank you for taking the time & getting so many stoves to test to compare.
@benwelch40763 жыл бұрын
I remember when the original Pocket Rocket came out, it was the thing for several years. Fun video thank you.
@michaeldixon88173 жыл бұрын
Funny, I was just surfing the net looking for another canister stove to add to my small collection when your video came up. Thanks Earnie… I like watching grass grow as well… Hope to see a tour around your new workshop sometime soon.
@paulhayes97653 жыл бұрын
Thanks for an in depth review on canister stoves. My next purchase will be the MSR Pocket Rocket 2. I find your video reviews very interesting and informative. Great job. 👍
@HifiCentret Жыл бұрын
Very nice comparison! Although I have a feeling that the larger stoves aren't being done justice with the small pot. They're designed for larger pots/pans so much more of the heat is wasted to the side compared to smaller stoves which output most of the heat in the center. Also I think that no stoves are universally great for both pot and pans. The larger stoves are better for pans as they'll heat the pan more evenly - where as the smaller stoves can boil water faster and the center heavy heat isn't an issue.
@OldPackMule3 жыл бұрын
Well done. Good comparison. I'm still hankering for a Jetboil Stash but that's apples to oranges.
@whenindoubtgohiking80743 жыл бұрын
Why are you considering the Stash as an apples to oranges comparison? It uses the same fuel and I thought it belonged in this video.
@OldPackMule3 жыл бұрын
@@whenindoubtgohiking8074 I consider it that way because it's a system. Pot is dependent on the burner. Not a standard pot. not a huge difference but I'd compare it with the other systems.
@whenindoubtgohiking80743 жыл бұрын
@@OldPackMule that is why I wish some youtubers would compare the individual components of the system with other brand, like the Stash stove vs the windmaster for example.
@jplamb773 жыл бұрын
Ditto on the Soto Windmaster,,,,!!! #1 in my Opinion too,,,!!!!!
@utopia.exploring3 жыл бұрын
Bought my Windmaster based on 2 videos. Your comparison video and one done by @theoutdoorgearreview Honestly, it's spectacular! Used on to of 11,000 foot mountains in CO and it performs great! Replaced my JetBoil and I couldn't be happier
@GypsyGirl3173 жыл бұрын
I have just watched both of those videos as well, and I am seriously contemplating purchasing the soto windmaster as a result of this. 👍🏿😊 I have just purchased a little Njord stove which arrived today and I'm looking forward to trying it out as well. It is a NZ company, and I think the stove is made in China. It was only NZ35 so it will be interesting to see how it goes.
@csmeado13 жыл бұрын
I have MS and thoroughly enjoy camping/backpacking. I enjoy watching your videos. Although I’m no longer able to backpack or hike, I many stoves, but am limited to using them on the patio out back Keep doing what you doing !! Check out the VIRE Rocket stove. It’s really interesting, not that heavy, and very efficient.
@davidleasure91382 жыл бұрын
Awesome comparison. Enjoy your channel. Be safe out there camping and hiking
@vnw063 жыл бұрын
i own two in this list, two different animals, but i guess the real question is what do you need each stove for. i have on of the ebay $10 blow torch stove and the Colman peak 1. only reason i have the peak on is the fact i found out the ebay blowtorch it great at boiling water but not much else. the peak 1 has better flame control. both are cheap but both have their place. great contribution thanks for you work
@Rekmeyata Жыл бұрын
Thank god I chose the right stove according to your video, and my research didn't lead me astray. I ended up with the Soto Windmaster, only because I wanted to ditch the weight of a separate windscreen, and it didn't hurt that was made in Japan and not someplace that doesn't like America. I've used it now for 3 seasons and it has worked without fail. So far the piezo hasn't failed but it could, so I bring a small Bic lighter just in case. Thanks for the video, it made me feel better about my decision.
@posys51403 жыл бұрын
'I'm a subscriber that lives in my minivan and use your stoves that works great for me .... I cook for myself often
@MrAKhiker3 жыл бұрын
Great job Ernie! As others have mentioned, a table/chart would be nice. There you could sort by fuel used, cost, burn times, and weight. As you pointed out - burn times are all pretty close. Probably even closer in the real world. As a lightweight backpacker on a budget and primary alcohol stove user, boil times are not that important to me. In that context, the BRS is the clear winner. In my experience, built in igniters generally fail at some point and become useless weight and complexity. Thanks for taking the time for such a great review.
@ObamaoZedong3 жыл бұрын
Peizo igniters are easily repaired. Replacements cost pennies.
@20Hikecdt233 жыл бұрын
Ernie: I just viewed this video again and realize you sure did a lot of work to produce this. Ha! Let alone obtaining all these stoves! Wow! I was thinking of switching (can't believe I was thinking this) to my ole MSR Whisperlite for the CDT because of the elevations and temperature issues. Watching yours and others videos, and reading up on the performance of cannister Iso Butane stoves I realize I won't have any significant problems. SO, on with my PR 2. Thanks though! Great videos! Forget this earlier entry: Please do a comparison of SVEA and Jetboil. No one has done that. Seems like Jetboil is a modern version of Svea n Svea might weigh a lot less!
@damienmidanik96803 жыл бұрын
I bought the windmaster over the pocket rocket deluxe based on your reviews. While I have only had it about a month, I am definitely happy with my choice. The windmaster is an excellent little stove!
@GypsyGirl317 Жыл бұрын
I have a cheaper stove which is excellent, plus I have a very old (heavier) stove which is stunning! I was looking at purchasing the Soto Windmaster stove based on multiple reviews (and I still may someday), but I have just won first prize in a Wilderness Magazine competition, and I have today received the MSR Hubbba Hubba 2 tent, plus the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe stove!! 🙆🏻♀️😅😍🏕️⛰️ I'm blown away, and delighted, needless to say!
@kenal1532 Жыл бұрын
@@GypsyGirl317 nice🎉
@markcummings68563 жыл бұрын
Superb video. Appreciate the thoroughness.
@GearSkeptic3 жыл бұрын
That’s a great lineup and a really good comparison! Thanks much.
@jimmyroberson78433 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I have a soto amicus and love it. I also have a turbo 270 from camping gaz and love it also (hard to find canisters for this one but the quality is there.) I recently purchased a firebox nano and am enjoying using it. I hike and camp in the low country of SC and while I've never been to Louisiana I imagine it is similar. I'm a heavy user of your great channel. Thanks for all you do and take good care
3 жыл бұрын
Very nice video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 i enjoyed it again watching all the water boiling 😁 Maybe next time make a small chart with all stoves, boil time and fuel consumption together to visualize it again a little further in the sum up 😊 Keep up the great work and greetings from Taiwan 🙋🏼♂️🌴
@spellerlittlewing8 ай бұрын
Great video i own the the snow peak stove with the white case
@kylewilkinson69753 жыл бұрын
Nice job. Lot of time and effort. Thank you
@GrumpyGrunt3 жыл бұрын
As I start making videos, I regret giving away so much of my stuff over the past few years. I'm down to 2 canister stoves and 3 alcohol burners. Guess I'll have to go buy more eventually. 🤣 I am 100% a Windmaster fan. I still have a BRS, but it never gets used. I want to try out some of those multi-burner monsters you've been reviewing lately. Those look fun. Thanks and stay well down there, Ernie.
@brucemunro68032 жыл бұрын
I’ve had my Soto Windmaster a couple of years now and love it. I agree it’s the best of the bunch
@realfingertrouble2 жыл бұрын
I was feeling bad having got a MSR Pocket Rocket 2 recently with all this Soto love. I feel better because although it's slower, it's more efficient. That's important to me more than piezo or a few seconds more. Also seem reviews where ironically it performed badly in the wind - either from a fan or real world - given the name. Only thing I think the Soto Windmaster might be better for - and it was a lot more than what I paid for my MSR btw, I got a good deal with the MSR - is holding larger pots and simmering, and less noise. I don't trust piezos to keep working!
@4x4Rcrawlin2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great content. I just purchased my 1st upright stove based off of all these great stoves you reviewed!
@troybranaman3163 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video Ernie! Lots of good information!! Take care and stay safe my friend !!
@jeromebullard61232 жыл бұрын
I have that same stove by red camp, but it says northern lights for the brand, and it’s mostly titanium! Claims to be made in California. Same case even! Cannot find one like it anywhere. I got it at Sportsman’s guide in St Paul, MN about twenty years ago. Quite the relic! Still works great!
@cheesefries74362 жыл бұрын
3:10 you can get those on ebay for like $7 each if you get the 2-pack. I've had mine for years and love it.
@gur123noor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for such an informative comparison. If you make another video, it would also be helpful to compare other practical aspects like how stable is it with a small pan for eggs, stability on a slightly uneven surface, how hot does the base get, quality/ safety/ build, your opinion for each budget range (see amazon questions for what people want to know/ video ideas). Thanks again :) I ended up buying the Coleman Bottle Top Propane Stove since I knew Coleman should be safe, and it seemed stable enough for pots and pans. My older bagpacking stove has to be held for stability, even for boiling water. Also I would not recommend to use to for more than 5 minutes continuously, just because how hot the base gets (still learning about basing camping/ gas stove safety as a noob).
@floydvaughn96662 жыл бұрын
I've used ( and trashed) an MSR 2, a GSI classic, and a Peak 1 whatever. Currently running a Peak 1 other, and an Ozark Trail 4 in 1. Which I got because of the adapter. TBH, my main criteria is how stable is any stove with a U.S. canteen cup? I have a GSI Kettlist kit, but like the canteen cup for quick brew ups. And the best I've found for that is any stove with 4 pot supports. Or an alcohol stove made from a large beer can. Then there's the Esbit type, but not with Esbit fuel. Alcohol in a bev can cut to about 1.5 inches works fine. And then there's the U.S. type cup stove/ stand, which works with anything. Literally anything. Rake 3 or 4 coals out of a fire, set the rig over it, and 8 to 10 minutes later, you're done.
@klaws2719 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the massive effort put into this video. I need to purchase and this helped immensely.
@doloresneilson53493 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Ernie! Appreciate all the time, details in uploading and info. Very helpful!
@marvcarey68153 жыл бұрын
A good ending would be to show them in the order of time and fuel used. I know you listed it, but it would have been a quick tell for your audience.
@arttapia73923 жыл бұрын
EXCELENTE TRABAJO AMIGO..GRACIAS!!!
@JonA-br5hk3 жыл бұрын
What an outstanding review. Great work thanks
@rman7132 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Very helpful
@jamesbparkin7403 жыл бұрын
The wider stoves looked to be needing wider pots, as the main flames were going up the side
@jamesbparkin7402 жыл бұрын
@Aaron Hradel but not as efficiently as if the flame was underneath.
@dyvel3 жыл бұрын
The most interesting comparison in my opinion it's how well they fry things on low heat in a larger pan. An extra 30 seconds boil time or one gram less fuel it's pretty much irrelevant but if it can't fry things your only choices are freeze-dried meals or to boil your food. Both of those options have dedicated systems that work extremely well, especially in the wind. So I'm hoping for a similar future comparison but for frying, and with pans of different sizes and thicknesses.
@coffeepot31233 жыл бұрын
THIS!.. I feel like a lot of these reviews come off as somewhat "lazy" (for a lack of a better word)
@nicolaslemay2 жыл бұрын
After seeing this review, my understanding is that stove are either either better at boiling or frying. Those with a larger surface don’t perform as well for boiling since they probably spare the heat on a larger area. Makes sense.
@dyvel2 жыл бұрын
@@slowedonly I wouldn't bring two, but Depending on the kind of hike, I believe I would choose my stove depending on whether I would like to fry and cook or just boil. An extra pot with a lid for the frying setup frying would be taking care of, while otherwise just hassle free boiling at low weight is my other option when i don't need frying.
@ExtremeSquared2 ай бұрын
The slightly heavy and bulky classic primus is probably going to blow away the others on this test. It has a big diffuse ring of heat. I've cooked eggs and pancakes on lightweight backpacking cookware. I don't carry it any more and sort of miss how much better it was at cooking.
@mixmediaproductions2 жыл бұрын
Great review. Like to cook on campfire but the stoves are good for fast hot water, and where you can not use wood. I don't like wood-stick stoves. Prefer Trangia, or alcohol can.
@wearyourjeans Жыл бұрын
wonderful video. very informative
@robertmaxwell32202 жыл бұрын
Thanx for all.My go to on stoves!Have you reviewed Lexada(sp?) liquid gas stove.Looks a little shaky re.reviews,mabey lemmle know
@jonNH1233 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting so much content lately. It's terrific. :-)
@gregsantos93923 жыл бұрын
Great overview and “lab test”. Real world testing is a real must however to be truly useful. Test each stove with a 10-15 mph breeze without a wind screen (extra weight to carry). The differences will be a lot greater. Also, no mention of high altitude, cold weather performance- regulated stoves shine here. Thanks again for the brief overview. I would have trouble classifying this as an “Ultimate” test.
@James-ke5sx3 жыл бұрын
I got one Coleman that has an additional wind screen built in
@moderntentcamping3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison but I would like to see a comparison of stoves for simmering a soup or stew for 20 - 30 minutes in a stainless steel Billy pot. I have had a pocket rocket for about 20 years And it still boils water quickly but I have difficulty getting the heat low enough to simmer foods without scorching.
@MikeAchtelik3 жыл бұрын
I would also like to see such a comparison. I just bought the Soto Windmaster but it would be nice to know if something like the Primus Classic Backpacking Stove is better for simmering, because auf the wider burner head.
@GypsyGirl3173 жыл бұрын
@@MikeAchtelik I'm thinking it probably would be, as the flame will cover more of the bottom of the pot and hopefully create a more even heat distribution.
@jamesharvey44 Жыл бұрын
Late to reply but the Primus classic is in my bush pot kit for just that reason. It simmers and has great fuel control for low heat needs like baking and omelets.
@guyallphin1295 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos. Rev
@darthblade20163 жыл бұрын
Great comparison!! Good to see they were all pretty much in line. I have the GSI Glacier in my car camping box and the Pocket Rocket 2 in my regular cook kit. Will probably pick up the BRS as a back-up. Would love to see u take a look at the Olicamp Ion stove!! Keep up the great videos!
@joshrayner71672 жыл бұрын
Did you ever up getting the brs? I'm trying to decide between that and the pocket rocket 2
@jakesnizzle93852 жыл бұрын
Great info. I appreciate the effort.
@garygraham4571 Жыл бұрын
Kool what is that reel in the background
@johnnyxmusic11 ай бұрын
Looks like the plastic line feed for a 3-D printer
@thomascarson86173 жыл бұрын
Build and test the spigyver 2 alcohol stove!
@TheZoozu3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison thanks! Any opinions out there on the best to actually cook with? Still the windmaster?
@friedrichwohler38192 жыл бұрын
a chart ilustrating the results would've been really helpful.
@goaro20072 жыл бұрын
Where is the spreadsheet at the end with the resume info ????
@irishpilot20063 жыл бұрын
Hi, I would love to know noise level on each stove. I don't like JET sounds in the wilderness. Which ones are quietest?
@tylerglidden29223 жыл бұрын
Erie, which stove do you think would be best for frying rather than boiling. I'm thinking wide flame with good control valve. Which one would it be , from what you have.
@GypsyGirl3173 жыл бұрын
I'm interested to know this too. 👌🏿
@jamesharvey44 Жыл бұрын
late to post but the Primus Classic is the one for that, the control valve is great for fine control and the large head gives better distribution of heat on larger pans. The trail stoves are only good for boiling water.
@chkodj56673 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!
@simonmaney34383 жыл бұрын
Well, I'm getting the JB Mighty Mo because it perfectly fits their ceramic pot and that is supposed to be easy to clean. Sold. [JB stoves seem to require a specific gap between their burner head and flux ring pots. Bit expensive to find out that the MSR or Soto cause problems].
@Poppageno3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ernie, Do you have a feeling on how the diameter of the burner affects the boil time? Like does the flame contained under the pot boil faster or slower than when the flame goes up the sides? It just seems more energy waste with the latter.
@charliemcdowell52313 жыл бұрын
I second the windmaster! I use different stoves depending on the trip but you can’t go wrong with the windmaster for all but the coldest trips. Bonus: super cheap to run if you get the converter to fill the small isobutane cans with pure butane from sams club. About .78 cents per gram and works out to be less expensive than white gas and even alcohol for the amount of water boiled.
@GuyonaMoose2 жыл бұрын
I love stoves!!!!! Love my pocket Rocket 2 and titan kettle
@emptybinbag6 ай бұрын
bought the original Msr pocket rocket when it first came out and I am still using it now. I don't want any other gas stove at the costs they charge . This stove is the bees knees.
@MyCentsTX2 жыл бұрын
Just started watching and I can say, my money is on WindMaster... that thing really works in cold windy weather
@FREDDYBRUJO1 Жыл бұрын
whre can i get the redcamp stove 4:59?
@zensempai73712 жыл бұрын
I have a couple of the tiny stoves , I’ve been surprised at how well it performs. It is very wind sensitive though so a screen is a must
@rogerhudson28143 жыл бұрын
I'm still using the original Snowpeak titanium after a couple of decades, lighter without piezoelectric and I start it scraping a rod. I would like to use it in 'remote canister ' style inside a titanium wood stove.
@LA_Viking3 жыл бұрын
Having owned approximately 40 "camping" stoves over the past 50 years, the Snow Peak GigaPower Titanium stove is the best canister stove I've ever used. It really is a shame that Snow Peak had to screw everything up royally and now you can no longer purchase it, at least in the US. I made a long comment on the GigaPower Ti in this thread.
@dirksellsted69292 жыл бұрын
I'd likd to see the glacier burner reviewed. Its not a high mountain light weight burner, but canoeing out with a group of 4 to island camping it seems a super cheap maybe back up option
@maximaleffort2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thx.
@RajbirSingh-wg9pf2 жыл бұрын
Great work there. Pl don’t mind but the size dimensions aren’t registered in the mind and could’ve been replaced by a comparison chart.
@scottbutler15613 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your testing videos. It would be nice to see a chart with comparative results at the end; although for me it doesn't matter on this video, I own a Windmaster also :).
@Kenbur3 жыл бұрын
Ernie - 4 days late with the video man!!!!!! jk Just had my imitation stove from China fail on me last week so was looking to replace it with something serious. Would have loved to have this comparison video as many of these were on my long list and some were on my shortlist and I was searching yours and other videos to list pros and cons for myself in what to buy. I ended up with the Pocket 2 and am not displeased at all. But looking at the Soto and Primus stoves (which I had considered) perform side by side in this video (not only speed and gas amount but the burner size/flame pattern, stove size, weight, etc,)there may have been a couple other contenders. Anyway THANKS for taking the time, effort, and investment to keep all who choose to be informed by watching you - informed. Cheers.
@dontall713 жыл бұрын
Ken I think you hit on a point that a lot of people don't consider when buying a stove, and that's durability. It's a big let down to hike to a campsite, set up and anticipating a warm meal, find that your stove won't work. The old adage about you get what you pay for.
@capefearcapt46793 жыл бұрын
Outstanding! Thanks.
@SurviveOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
Well done. Great video. 👍
@darrylm362710 ай бұрын
😄👍Good Stuff, Great Tips
@NoAliasEM2 жыл бұрын
LOVE MY OPTMIUS
@Doofyy112 жыл бұрын
I have a hard time choosing between MSR Deluxe, Soto amicus or Soto Windmaster?? I’m looking to cook a little meals, not just backpacking meals or boiling water. Which one is best for cooking pan fry meals, like steak, eggs etc..
@burninggas77153 жыл бұрын
Soto Amicus is my favourite and Winner of Quality, Performance, Price and Size. I love it, it makes all my other stoves redundant.
@deanwood13383 жыл бұрын
@@seankirk333 that’s good to know. I’ve a cheep Vango one for years. Done great but want an upgrade.
@deanwood13383 жыл бұрын
@@seankirk333 wasn’t sure between the amicus or the wind master. Have friends that have either that swear by both 🤣 got a feeling I can’t go wrong with either
@GypsyGirl3173 жыл бұрын
I have read other reviews that have said that occasionally the piezo lighter can fail, so the amicus could be a better option long term.
@burninggas77153 жыл бұрын
@@GypsyGirl317 the Piezo Crap was never an option for me, the simpler a System is, the better it will last. You dont need more than a basic amicus.
@GypsyGirl3173 жыл бұрын
@@burninggas7715 thanks 😊 My old (heavier) backpacking stove from the 90s has always been a reliable and consistent performer. 👌🏿 It's purely the weight factor now, as I'm planning a through hike of Te Araroa here in New Zealand. 😊
@jplamb773 жыл бұрын
Ernie,,, Great Video,, the 2nd time watching. How about a Review on White Gas (Liquid fuel) Stoves,,, Have You ever done one Before,,,???? Joshua
@PaleoHikerMD3 жыл бұрын
Have 4 liquid fuel stoves I’ll review in the coming months :)
@DennisMathias3 жыл бұрын
IMO, anything without a piezo would not make the grade. Also, consider doing a fan test for these. Which ones can you use in the wind?
@CountryRacing1863 жыл бұрын
I'm new, and great vid🤘
@carypeaden41472 жыл бұрын
Great Video
@WhiskeyTactical2 жыл бұрын
i definitely should have watched this before i bought a trail stove
@Captain_Char3 жыл бұрын
the one I got is a woods, I got it at Canadian tire for 18$, now im using a coleman 533
@GenXvanlife693 жыл бұрын
Any of these not use a O-ring to seal? I use my stove multiple times a day and I go thru a lot of O-rings. BTW one of my stoves is the primus. Tnx.
@michaeltichonuk21763 жыл бұрын
Outstanding!
@martinerhard84473 жыл бұрын
are you sure the snowpeak is wind resistant? I read a test where they looked at performance in wind and it was by faaar the worst in said test (against soto amicus, windmaster, pocket rocket 2 and some others)
@calvinmonroe24083 жыл бұрын
How does the jet boil mightymo compare
@overweighthikerwannabe9013 жыл бұрын
I can't remember if you've done one of these about the ultimate debris stove yet. I don't think so but I could be wrong. I'm pondering which to get, but I know while you've reviewed some there are some I'm considering I'm pretty sure you haven't reviewed. Though I already have the Titanium Mini Firebox stove I have never gotten around to using it. I should probably just settle for that and send money since from what I know and have seen on youtube firebox is a topnotch stove I stillget the buying urge when I see some of the other options reviewed.