Jetboil is a Waste. Here's Why.

[@eric_hanson]

Glad to see a lively discussion in here! For those who say it's not a fair comparison, towards the end I bring up that a pot is needed with the small stoves. I found a $26 Toaks 750 ml titanium pot. So for about $45 you can nest a fuel canister, stove, lighter inside and is much smaller than the Jetboil. To me, the biggest concern with the cheap stoves is the potential for labor ethics. I'm not saying they're made with questionable labor. It's just that if it's made in China it's very difficult to know one way or the other. Without visiting factories I can only speculate. The price of backpacking gear can be overwhelming, let alone figuring out what's good and what isn't. I think stoves are the first place backpackers who want to save money should save money. As a $13 stove will perform approximately equivalent of a vastly more expensive option. The same cannot be said with most other pieces of gear. So if budget is a barrier for you in backpacking, just get a super cheap stove. My hope is that backpacking can be as accessible as possible to as many people as possible. Thanks for coming to my TEDtalk.

[@Joe_Serious]

I think that's a fair assessment 👍

[@Romel718]

Well said Eric! I agree. The wish for all of us, is to share our love and passion of the outdoors with our loved ones. Unfortunately price is a barrier to outfitting a group so continue on in your preaching of good affordable gear that will get more people into the backcountry!

[@jamiejfowler]

This is a slightly better way to say it than saying they are a SCAM in big letters in the thumbnail. Those “big fancy brand names” put in the R & D to develop these products, just to have their IP stolen by bargain basement brands operating in places where they are shielded from the consequences. I agree that camping is expensive and people need affordable options, but those of us who can afford to support the companies who are innovating (and likely have much less horrible labour records) should do so. Making budget gear recommendations for beginners is one thing, but shit talking the companies who have been making gear for and supporting the outdoors community for decades and calling their products a scam is just bad behaviour, and is particularly hard to swallow from KZbinrs who recommend absurdly expensive beds that cost $1000 +. Will you change your mind about Zenbivy and call them scam artists too once the real scam artists rip them off? You can do better than this.

[@abefrancis4137]

The investment bias is strong here. It’s like with heaters. Heat is heat. It’s just physics. You burn gas and it produces heat equivalent to the calorific value of the fuel. There isn’t a lot you can do to change that. If it’s windy you might spill some of that heat away from the pot. The sleeve on a jet oil probably contributes the most efficiency and then likely to be pretty marginal.

[@KatBradley-1968]

I was about to say, "But your gearlist shows you use a $100.00 cookpot, so what's the difference?" LOL

[@Madmotion]

Great points, but don't forget that for some of us who bought the Jetboil years ago, KEEPING it and continuing to use it costs less than buying ANYTHING new.

[@bern84]

Excellent point. There’s a lot to be said for using a quality product for years and years, rather than falling for consumerism sometimes

[@Gusman27]

Best comment yet!!

[@user-wc8yw4dw8w]

Excellent point. I have a Jetfoil and love it for its intended use (I keep it tucked in my jeep with some emergency food and coffee). I also have an MSR Pocket rocket. Recently all my. gear was left in a torrential rainstorm while hiking from car camping. None of my stoves worked. I remembered I had that MSR in my jeep as backup. It again saved the day. For the record I have had it since 1993... It has NEVER failed me.

[@robertfox4524]

My jetboil is finally dying. good stove, but I went cheap this time.

[@matt_w]

Comparing like for like: Weight: Pocket rocket+titanium pot = about 6oz, Jetboil zip: about 10oz Cost: Pocket rocket+titanium pot = about $80, Jetboil zip: about $100 So sure, the backpacking gear is lighter and cheaper, but not like ridiculously so. The Jetboil is more efficient so might let you carry less fuel. It also works well in wind without a windscreen. So, I wouldn't call it a scam. It seems priced about right for what you get.

[@RebeccaCoffeeAndCats]

Thank you for making a more direct a fair comparison than a lot of the conversations that gloss over the fact that one price includes a pot and one doesn't. I was glad that Eric brought that up. There's also something to be said for the pleasure of using a better built tool as well.

[@Ad0ubleA]

@@RebeccaCoffeeAndCatsbrs 15$ toaks750 25$ I have 100 bucks left and you can’t tell me quality is not there… we all like to justify our purchase, me included…

[@danielmassengale]

Also have to take into consideration the fact that the jet boils cup mates with the burner and won’t slide off. If you’ve been backpacking for a while, you’ve definitely have had that happen on the backpack style burners.

[@MaxMansfield]

Exactly this

[@Ad0ubleA]

@@matt_w brs 15$ toaks pot 25$...

[@jamesmurphy4431]

Size and expense are important. But I'd be upset if I designed a good stove and the Chinese ripped off my idea. I don't like supporting thieves.

[@JustinOutdoors]

Not just China. Primus was the first to allegedly infringe on Jetboil's patents. Jetboil decided to not pursue legal action which seems to have opened the door.

[@lisaphares2286]

I don’t find a whole lot of difference between chinese ripoff or made in china by American company that then inflates the price 6 to 100xs what it cost them. I see this as ripping off the consumer. Maybe if they only charged double what the Chinese ripoff charges I might buy from the American company. Now if it’s 100% made in America or Europe and they charge 3xs what the Chinese ripoff does, I would buy the American or European made one.

[@Bill_tyler]

So…. You don’t pay taxes?

[@Bill_tyler]

@@lisaphares2286well put!

[@chriseidam7319]

I agree with you. I bought the BRS because it was original and innovative. I bought a 3FUL Lanshan 2 tent because no other tentmaker made a tent with quite the same features. But I won't buy a Chinese knockoff of a good, original product, even if it costs me three times as much. That's why when I was looking at twig stoves I wouldn't buy the Solo because it is a rip off of the Bushmaster.

[@bm1boats357]

If I can get 24 boils off one 110g can with a Jetboil but only 8 - 10 boils with the BRS stove, you need to add an addition can and a half of fuel to the BRS to get the same amount of boils making the BRS a heavier stove now. Also know that the little canisters aren't cheap, the fuel inefficiency cost adds up, so the BRS is also more expensive. Plus add a pot of equal volume to the lineup there, a stove is no good without the pot, Plus canister support, with Jetboil I'd argue that a canister support isn't necessary, and consider your pot sliding off the stove and going hungry for the night, jetboil is a much better deal, or a jetboil knockoff.

[@thisbeem2714]

Hungary? 😂

[@dcaudwell]

I can get 10 days easily out of a single 110 canister and a BRS. Just a 550 pot a BRS a mini-bic and a canister is all I take so it all nests and it’s super light and tiny. So that’s always going to be better (and lighter and smaller) than any jet boil set-up for me, as I’m never going out for more than 7 days any more! Depends what your needs are in the end!

[@thisbeem2714]

@@dcaudwell true

[@sheilahenry7279]

@@dcaudwell100% right on. If out longer I resupply anyway w/ food.

[@abefrancis4137]

Pretty sure a direct comparison ( as opposed to mfr claims) would reveal not that great a difference. Heat is heat. It’s not that much more efficient - and I’m skeptical it’s any more efficient. Plenty of new hikers on the trail a bit disappointed their jet boils came nowhere close to the claims.

[@river_witchery]

My main moral qualm with buying really cheap options off Amazon is that they were likely made in sweatshop-like conditions where workers are in hazardous environments and not adequately paid for their work. I would like to believe that the costs of Jetboil is going toward good working conditions and more ethical business practices (regardless of the actual location they are made), but it still is more expensive than I am willing or able to pay. The MSR Pocket Rocket seemed like a good, reliable middle ground where I can have some assurance that it wasn't built in a sweatshop without breaking the bank.

[@dersegavas6794]

I’ve had the MSR pocket rocket for a while now and I love it. If carrying a lighter puts you off you can get a handheld MSR piezo ignitor for another 10$ (I got mine at REI).

[@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism]

The thing about that is, I bet reality is, that the choice is that, or no work at all. At least they have something. Not saying it's right, but I reality is, is that or nothing.

[@camping_guru_uk]

I've visited outdoor product factories in China and I can tell you they are not sweat shops, the workers are treated as well as any factory in the west. Often they are not allowed to work for more than 6 days in a row, often the maximum they can work is 10 hours at any time and I know here in the UK and probably in the US people often work more than this. The manufactures realise to get a good product their staff have to be well trained and treated pretty well. I'm not sure about other countries or clothing factories but in the tent, equipment factories they are way more western in their standards than you would ever realise.

[@tiagomateiro]

A lot of big brands are worse. Just saying.

[@DesertPackrat]

You don’t think the same conditions apply for these high priced manufacturers. They may claim the assembly in U.S. or with socially responsible off shore assemblers but I bet the materials or the machining or some part of the process is with unknown labor.

[@Okman88]

My parents had that $12 stove and loved it. Till we were up at an alpine lake and a storm blew in. The wind and 40ish degree weather just totally overwhelmed the system (no wind shielding, no regulator, you’re gonna have a bad time). They’re great systems, unless things go sideways.

[@mclostinthewoods]

I left Jetboil about 9 years ago. I shifted to a Pocket Rocket 2, and then a BRS. I ran with those for about a year to 18 months. Then i discovered alcohol stoves. I started using a Zelph Fancee Feest stove exclusively until about 3 years ago. I still carry it, but 4 years ago I started using debris stoves. I dabbled with puzzle stoves briefly, then found the Firebox Nano Ti and it became a constant in my kit. 2 years ago I bought a Firebox Freestyle and it is my standard now. I still carry my alcohol stove, but as a backup for my Freestyle. I love the free fuel, and quiet cook. I'm not in a hurry, so boil times don't impress me. That's all Jetboil has to offer for that price.

[@dcaudwell]

Plus a fast boil wastes fuel! So Jetboil doesn’t even work in real life from that point of view either.

[@pyronymph-868]

I wanted to comment the same thing; but comments are turned off now?I agree; free fuel in a firebox is best, but in rainy Oregon here we need another option for fuel. Looking at titanium alcohol stoves to use with the firebox.

[@erniewill]

Also if in an area that is under fire restrictions you can sometimes only use canister stoves so those stoves are out including alcohol stoves.

[@mclostinthewoods]

@@pyronymph-868 That's what I carry the Fancee Feest for. I also sometimes take my Trangia, since you ca store fuel in it ... and they are inexpensive.

[@mclostinthewoods]

@@erniewill You can use alcohol in TX during a burn ban because it's a controlled device. No to the Firebox during a burn ban, but alcohol still allowed.

[@7astarael]

I’m mostly still using my alcohol stove (trangia) for backcountry hiking. I like that it’s mostly silent (compared to the gas stoves which can be quite loud), super reliable as there’s basically no working parts so it can’t really break, and ethanol/alcohol is a much more environmentally sustainable fuel than butane/propane gases which are essentially fossil fuels. If you’re going hiking to experience the beauty of nature and the environment, I think the environmental impact and sustainability of the fuel you use should be something you also consider when choosing a stove system. For me hiking and being in nature is about enjoying life and having some quiet, peaceful moments, so I don’t mind that the alcohol stove takes a bit longer than gas. And if I need to get camp packed up quickly for an early start I just put the water on to boil, then start packing up my tent/sleeping stuff etc while I wait for the stove so really doesn’t waste any time at all.

[@Erik_The_Viking]

I've been a JetBoil user since 2002. It's gone on virtually every backpacking adventure. Considering it includes the pot, stove, windscreen, cup and everything in a small compact piece it's worth it. Everything in one place instead of searching through my bag. I don't trust those knockoffs, and you still need to bring everything else. Put the real savings to tents and other gear where the markups are ridiculous.

[@psyched901]

Agree. Plus, you can pack the Jetboil can itself to the top with the gas canister and other cooking essentials such that the "bulk" issue is negligible. In addition, the Jetboil heats water very efficiently, saving precious gas. Focusing so much on the price is wrong-headed. My Jetboil has lasted for years.

[@Erik_The_Viking]

@@psyched901 It's ruthlessly efficient when it comes to cooking - one small cannister lasts for a long time, so less fuel is needed.

[@Bert_on_dirt]

I agree, Jetboil has been the best for me, burnt myself twice with the BRS and Toaks pot. I’ll carry the extra weight with the Jetboil for the features and comfort.

[@no.9516]

Just because it isn't jetboil doesn't mean it's a knockoff

[@lukev31]

You sounds like a tin foil hat person. You have missed the point of this video entirely! It’s about how ridiculous expensive these products are and for what? Nothing!

[@lesley1484]

I love my Jetboil. It has served me well for the last 15 years. I don't usually cook, just use it for heating water. If I heat on low, I can make one small canister last 9 or 10 days. They were made in the USA back then. I try to buy my gear made in USA, ethical, or USED.

[@bextrex]

We used the jetboil in the army to heat up the boil in the bag ration pack meals, and mine too was US made, and had it imported to the UK. Since then I have bought another replacement, in hopes the cost of the product goes towards fair pay.

[@acamilop]

I’ve been using my jet boil for the past 15 years. The same jet boil. Spend money on something you will keep using. My jet boil not only has been useful camping but I have taken it with me around the world.

[@whyYUbee]

Hi, I'm happy to see your comment because I just purchased mine. I have a question to you, since you've traveled the world with it. How do you clean the fuel residue from the stove to make sure it will pass the check in at the airport?

[@rudeman1914]

I take my Jetboil Minimo and Zip with me when I travel from Asian countries and few empty canisters to fill with butane cause it’s warm where I’m from. Never fail me and I use it daily 3 to 4 times to boil my water for my coffee.

[@mikeb5664]

I use a Jetboil Minimo, but have certainly looked at other options. Jetboil includes a stove, pot, pot lid/strainer, pot cozy, bowl, and fuel canister stand. It's not all that expensive when you consider what is included.

[@bextrex]

Agreed, you get a lot for your money, and the thermal heat exchanger means it boils water twice as efficiently, so uses only half the fuel of the guys BRS stove, which I also have.

[@Joe_Serious]

I have a Jetboil Minimo, Soto Windmaster 3flex, and BRS. The details of the trip dictate which one I take: what area I'm in, my itinerary, if I'm with other people, how long is the trip etc. They all have their pros and cons, and have a place in my various gear lists 🙂

[@anthonyrstrawbridge]

Got my attention. I needed to hear this from a person I trust. I was hung on the top wire. If I had the opportunity I would determine how the stove might fail then determine how it can maintenanced or repaired. Ideally, disassembly and simple repair parts would be the cats meow. I'm a solo extreme remote ultralight hiker who needs the confidence that one water heater will suffice. 1-2 Oz is the new maximum mass limit now. Quite frankly ideal stoichiometric range of lpg is somewhere between 14.7:1 - 15.6:1, Air to fuel ratio. However, with the altitude increase it's not possible to achieve this without increasing pressure back up to standard atmosphere. I know that forcing air works perfectly. I sometimes wonder if compressed oxygen would be much benefit or practical. Those little 5 gram cylinders can easily hold 700 psi of oxygen. A simple regular adjustable in 3000' increments up to 15000' msl would be the cats meow. Be interesting to hear from a real BTU heating engineer. 😊

[@sheeperskipps]

Eric, videos like this are the exact reason I subscribed to you. You bring up the ethics of buying cheap (and sometimes not!) and bringing healthy skepticism towards popular products. I have really enjoyed seeing you continue to evolve your channel, making it unique and stand out from others while also doing some of the same. Thank you genuinely!

[@harvfamily]

I am glad to see your reasoning. I make the same transition. I started with the MSR Wisperlight back in the 90s, bomb proof but extremely heavy. Jetboil purchase was in the 2000s. Then in 2010s I went to the PocketRocket to eventually got myself a BRS 2 years ago. The only problem I have found with the BRS is the wind. I almost had a bad experience when I ran out of fuel. Fortunately it was for breakfast on the last day and it was for my coffee. Lets just say it was lukewarm. I have found a solution to that. I saw a video from the GearSkepic on stove efficiency and he said that based on his tests that the BRS combimed with the FlatCat Ocelot BSR windscreen is lighter and more efficient in the wind that the Soto Windmaster. I can attest that this is true based on my last backpacking trip with it. I only used about 6g of fuel to boil 16oz of water. Also I found a sticker to place on my Toaks mug that tells the temperature of the water because GearSkeptic pointed out that the temperature for re-hydrating freeze dried meals doesn't need to get to boiling to re-hydrate it. I found this temperature sticker from a guy who sells them on his website call Rex-Creations. I hope that this helps in your cook system evolution.

[@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism]

MSR Dragonfly. It may be bulky but it works year round and there's no waste created. Simply add fuel. Multiple types too. Works great for all kinds of cooking, self repairable and just the way to go. Especially in winter. Not something for thr-hikers but it's the bomb for us weekend warriors and winter campers. For long summer hikes, I'll just take a little alcohol stove. That's all that's needed to heat water anyway.

[@jefffujiwara6164]

After traveling overseas and not being able to find canister gas, I bought a MSR Whisperlite Universal, and I carry it everywhere. Weekends, through-hikes, you name it, it's gone with me. It's heavier/bulkier than most, but I've never had an issue with it, and I can use it anywhere in the world.

[@andycjohnston]

I started with a whisper lite, and after 25 years, it still works every single time I pull it out for winter duty. I also use a Tinnys Trash 19g alcohol stove for overnight and thru hikes. I've made a custom titanium foil pot stand and so it doubles as a twig stove now too. Love a bit of redundency in the systems. Always got a pretty special place for the MSR though. Just beautifully engineered kit.

[@mdavis8877]

Despite the size of the JetBoil, few things bring me more joy than having French Press on trail. That reason alone is 80% why I still hike with a JetBoil Java.

[@DyceFreak]

Hard to clean, makes everything you cook in it coffee infused, makes you coffee food infused if you cook food in it. I feel it's better simply to bring an aeropress or quality instant coffee.

[@mdavis8877]

@@DyceFreak Personally I’ve never found it to make my dehydrated food coffee flavored in any way. The pot doesn’t really have a scent at all after being washed out. Regarding cleaning though I don’t find it particularly troublesome to wash out properly. But I’m also not in a dry climate, so water consumption is less of an issue.

[@techguy9023]

@@DyceFreakaeropress is easy to clean. Yeah it takes up space but it’s easier than my old percolator.

[@jon27d]

Stanley makes a great French press that is an acceptable size and weight (for me) for backpacking. Bonus that it can serve double duty as a general use pot. Certainly not going to keep the ultralight crowd happy but i suspect no French press in existence would 😂

[@davidcooper8390]

You bring up great arguments and show there is no best ever stove. Each has a place and each person gets to choose something that fits them best. I used the MSR Windburner for years, but decided I was over the size/weight. I changed to a titanium pot with the Soto Windmaster and could not be happier.

[@jpriddle]

With the direct-from-China products (without the R&D, marketing or distribution overhead) out there, it’s certainly relevant to have them in the discussion. That said, I’d like to comment on three things that were not covered about the Windmaster vs. Campingmoon: 1. The Windmaster is a pressure regulator stove. The campingmoon stove has no statement about this function. Regulator stoves usually carry a $20-40 premium. 2. The Windmaster has a unique piezo design that has been documented by several online reviews to be the most reliable in the industry. It is also user serviceable and you can buy just the piezo from Soto, if needed. It’s visually obvious that campingmoon is using a more generic piezo component. 3. The Windmaster is made in Japan. I have a few knockoff stoves and the craftsmanship difference is noticeable with the Soto stoves. Labor costs are higher as well. And Soto has to support support distribution to both physical stores internationally and online. Plus they employ their own engineers to develop unique products like the Windmaster, rather than just copying other designs.

[@RandomThings-uv5tn]

SOTO Amicus set from REI!! $50 for a solid, fuel efficient and stable stove, with the piezo lighter and two pots. I stupidly bought it on Amazon, came with one dented pot they would not let me return before I realized REI had the same set but with a 2nd pot for less $$. Hoping to help someone else. Don't assume Amazon always has the best deal! They do sometimes, but not always, especially the last couple years I feel like. So glad to see you posting options for us common folk who would go broke purchasing all top of the line gear.

[@tomsitzman3952]

I'm old school and have never bought into the idea that the newest great idea is the way to go. There is no way I would ever carry disposable or even refillable canisters. I carry my Seva 123 that has been around since about 1960 based on technology going back to 1898. The only problem is that every 50 years you have to replace the gasket in the tank lid. The Seva 123 fits in my one-quart Sig pot with room to spare. If they group is two or three I can nest the two quart Sig pot. Runs on white gas and is bomb proof. I have used it on backcountry cross country ski trips at minus 20 F. Built in gas tank, no canister to screw on and take off. When someone talks about their lightweight stove and does not include the filled canister, they are being very deceptive.

[@Spotog28]

I like my alcohol stoves quite a bit more these days and when I’m just boiling water I’ll use my caldera cone with a toaks 750 pot and when I want to do some actual cooking I’ll bring along my Trangia 27 cookset. It’s a little on the bulky/heavy side but it sure does cook a steak well!

[@7astarael]

Alcohol is also a much more environmentally sustainable fuel option than butane or propane gas. for people who are going hiking to enjoy nature, that is also something (in my opinion) is worthy of consideration when selecting a stove system.

[@ChrisCollins001]

It's great to see the Campingmoon get some attention. My cook kit is the Toaks 750ml and the Campingmoon stove. Never had any issues, the boil time is super quick, and everything fits in the pot.

[@ForzaMonkey]

The issue when you compare jetboils to these smaller stoves is that you forget to include the added size and cost of your pot or mug. When you break down a jetboil, everything fits into that pot. Possibly even the fuel can. When you add on the cost and size of a titanium pot, the difference between that and a jetboil becomes negligible. And if your pot or mug is too small, you have to store it separately from your stove, fuel can, etc. and suddenly you have a system that is as bulky, if not bulkier than the jetboil. And then there's the argument of buying cheap things that were made in sweatshop-like conditions, vs buying something for a premium that you KNOW was made in a safer working environment, by people who are receiving adequate pay, but that isn't my main concern.

[@eric_hanson]

I totally understand the concerns of the labor ethics involved. I'm not able to know working conditions for anything made in China, whether that's a rip off or a Jetboil factory. Maybe it's great and maybe it's shady. That's why I bring up the ethics even though I didn't spend tons of time on that subject as all I can do is speculate. However I do talk about the pot being a factor too, it's just towards the end. You can buy a Toaks 750 ml pot for $26 and the BRS and Aotu stoves nest easily inside with a canister and is much smaller than the Jetboil.

[@traviskinchen2265]

My Toaks pot contains 1 canister, 1 lighter, one jetboil plastic canister foot, one BRS stove in its tiny stuff sack, AND a Toaks folding spoon… plus a bandanna to keep it all quiet. Totally self contained cooking and eating and the lid still fits.

[@johncramer9564]

Nice overview. I also use same setup as you do with the Toaks 750 and the BRS-3000T. One useful add on for the BRS-3000T is a small titanium windshield ring which attaches to the pot stands to shield the stove head from the wind thus saving fuel and reducing burn time (highly recommended). All the stuff nests inside the same pot, and I like to hold the pot closed with Cross Bands by Grifiti. This is the ideal total ultralight system imo.

[@pooterbilbo8132]

The tiny stove with a toaks cup is one of my favorite forms of ultralight silliness. “Hey this brand over here makes a super efficient and pretty light cook system that clicks together for $130.” Ultra lighters: “F that I’d rather precariously balance a random cup on a Chinese micro stove that I have to re-light 3 times, as I burn half my fuel to boil a half cup in 10 minutes, but hey it saved me 3 ounces and $40.”

[@Gusman27]

😂. Awesome take

[@timber4560]

I’m not an UL, but have been using a $20 stove and pot for 4 years. It lights every single time, never goes out and has been the picture of reliability. Jetboils are really well made and work great. For me and my house, we spent the dough on sleep system and pack and saved $$ on the cook system, happily

[@SeanBoggs85]

Great video and good content. I haven’t read all the comments, so maybe someone already addressed this. There is a place and time for small or cheap stoves, namely warm weather camping/backpacking. Throw in any adverse conditions (think cold, windy, high elevation) and those stoves will fail to perform. In those cases a more robust stove system, probably regulated, is needed. That’s a whole different discussion maybe. TL;DR There’s not one stove for every condition, so do your homework and understand what you need.

[@planesandbikes7353]

Scam is not the right word. Jetboil has been around 20 years and was a revelation when it appeared. I used it for 10 years and it was reliable, convenient and easy. It's only in recent years I downsides to a $15 BRS stove with a small ti pot. I agree folks should consider the wee cheap stoves more to save weight but they also will not go wrong with a Jetboil or recent cheaper knock offs of the Jetboil.

[@bertman4]

Quality assurance does cost money. I've seen plenty of people post about the BRS deforming from the heat. I've never seen anyone post a deformed MSR or Soto stove with such damage.

[@shanleyoutdoors1631]

I got my MSR pocket rocket before it went up to $50. Dehydrated meals have improved so much it’s just easier for me to repack meals, heat and add water.

[@BradyPatterson]

I have gone through a lot of stoves as well and settled on two. I use a Bush Buddy for long trips without a fire ban where weight matters because it's a wood burner. For everything else, I use my little BRS. And I have had those piezo lighters fail so many times it didn't make sense to rely on it and if you should carrying a way to light your stove besides that built in piezo. Outdoor Element makes a nice little carabine with a built in striker, they call it a Firebiner. Handy and multipurpose.

[@Sgt.Kayaker]

Since 1997 I've used the same MSR Whisperlite for all my backpacking trip. When flying, I bring the MSR Pocket Rocket. Both great stoves.

[@hazyrd4]

My wife and I share a Jetboil system on hikes. The extra size is ideal for couples. If I'm risking my safety by going on a multi day hike, I want reliability over everything else. By the third day on the trail I don't remember the price, I remember the weight, and I remember if it broke. Having insulation around the stove saves fuel when you're in the snow. That means saved weight. On top of that, a lot of the price issue is null if you just get it on sale. I got the Jetboil stove for $85 when it was on sale at REI. Having a stove that locks to the pot and has a wind guard makes a huge difference in less than ideal conditions. Another concern, is if it does break, Jetboil might care. Your ultracheap Chinese stove is not going to come with any form of customer support.

[@diegoecheagaray2124]

I do agree 100% with you. The simpler a system is, the less chances of failure. I had an MSR Whisperlight International white gas stove which I retired after 20+ years of use. Then I switched to a Jetboil for a couple of years until I got a Primus Classic Trail Stove ($20 - $30) as a birthday present and I love it! It's a simple, sturdy, basic, no-frills, inexpensive wonder, small enough to pack in any corner of my rucksack, but has a large burner and an even wider base than most stoves. The downside is you have to carry matches or a lighter, but they only add 20 grammes to my total load.

[@jon27d]

I have the AOTU stove (under a different brand name - seems that one changes every few years) and it's great. Never failed me and it's what got me started in backpacking. One of my brothers has the Jetboil. It's a great system and boils water in about half the time of my little no-name stove. Is that 2 minutes a big deal? Nope. I received a MSR pocket rocket 2 for Christmas this past year and it is SO NICE. Really nice upgrade. My son is now the proud inheritor of my original stove and I fully expect it to serve him well. People spend so much time obsessing over what gear is best when they could just get out there with something that works and slowly upgrade over time.

[@alanstrange2421]

The BRS is one of the few exceptions to the "Good/Light/Cheap - Pick any 2" rule. I love it. That said, I did get a Soto Amicus as a gift, and while not quite as small or light, it does seem to be more efficient in that it boils water more quickly, (though it might just use the same amount of fuel, but faster) and has decent wind protection. I get the appeal of the jetboil for people who aren't concerned about weight/bulk or price, but it was not in the cards for me.

[@tomsitzman3952]

I’m still using my Seva 123 solid brass, self pressurizing liquid fuel stove with built in wind screen cira, 1969. Stored in two nesting Sig pots 1 & 2 quart . No disposable fuel canisters. I’m using the same sig fuel can. Some times I carry the stove in an empty StarBucks Cocoa can that also is a 3.5 oz butt kicking rocket stove of my design. I have used the Seva 123 at -20 F on a chilly backcountry X country ski trip, with three season down bag. Not bragging, just saying if you know your equipment and how to use it, life is good. If you have good light weight equipment get out and cross the line into other self contained tours, canoeing, kayaking, bike touring. The problem with modern pots is they are tall tippy cylinders. I like a pot with a larger flat base and greater stability.

[@funnybeingme]

I've done long distance backpacking trips and have used the BRS 3000, the Aotu, Soto Windmaster, first version MSR Pocket Rocket, Jetboil Flash and Jetboil MiniMo. I went through the trials of finding the lightest stove and lightest pot but nowadays I use the Jetboil Flash for the ease of setup and convenience. I mainly use it to boil water but will occasionally cook some ramen. What I love about it is the ease of use. Boils water fast, fuel efficient, and most importantly, no frustration of the pot tipping over. The one negative thing is that the Piezo igniter on both my Flash and MiniMo are not working anymore and Jetboil stopped selling them to Piezo Igniter but I always carry a mini Bic lighter with me.

[@funnybeingme]

Oh yeah, probably good to mention pressure-regulated stoves vs non-regulated for those that uses them in cold temps and high elevation.

[@antimayomac]

I took a trip a few weekends ago out to the pacific coast and I was the only one in my group without a jetboil. One person even had a French press for his jetboil. I think it’s mostly marketing hype. But my tiny stove and fuel canister did exactly what I needed it to do.

[@SharonSmiley-ev3zy]

Thank you so much for the refreshing outlook on stoves! The camping merchandisers want buyers to think that more expensive is better. You have so much common sense to offer on that front. We all need to stop and think about what will work for our budget and our needs.

[@rkatrails]

I've used an old Jetboil Flash since 2012 and it has proven to be very reliable, stable, and efficient. The auto ignition still works perfectly. It's a bit bulky for backpacking and weighs 15 oz, but I've always managed. However, as an older backpacker I'm trying even harder to get my pack weight down, so I switched to a Soto Windmaster Stove and just took it out on my first trip. The Windmaster has an auto ignition too, but after reading reviews I took a mini bic lighter just in case. Unfortunately the auto lighter only worked about 25% of the time, in very good weather conditions, so I used the lighter. Not as convenient to light, but no big deal. My Windmaster Stove/burner came with both sizes of pot support, the TriFlex and the 4Flex. I used the 4Flex on this trip because it has longer support arms to hold my 550ml TOAKS pot. Unfortunately the pot is too small to stow both a 110g fuel can and stove with pot holder, so it was less than convenient trying to pack them together with the temporary nylon bag I was using. On my next trip I plan to get a TOAKS 750ml pot and switching to the TriFlex pot holder so I can stow all the kit parts inside the pot. (It's only a matter of time before I have my first accident knocking the pot over due to instability). By switching stoves I shaved 9.4 oz off my total pack weight (weight including fuel canister). Though I miss the convenience of my Jetboil, I do appreciate having a lighter pack by not only changing my cook system, but several other items as well, shaving off 2 lbs altogether.

[@t31t3k]

The setup missing from this video is the Fire Maple Petrel. I've never used a jetboil, but I suspect the Petrel is very close without the bulk.

[@love3V07]

I just took the fire maple petrel out and was amazed that it's light, very compact, and adjusted it to my AOTU to fit. It heat to boil was fast! 😮 I personally think the petrol is better than the jetboil.

[@heatherdougan1199]

Was starting to wonder if I'm the only one using a Fire Maple stove! Purchased it as an affordable alternative to JetBoil, before I was aware of the pocket rocket style options.

[@Cameronthetaco41]

I love my MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe with a small pot to boil water. That’s all I need

[@xanderturkins5041]

I was a BRS user for a while, but then I saw a video from Jupiter that made a very good point. When dealing with compressed flammable gas, it’s probably smarter and safer to buy a stove from a reputable manufacturer. Especially living out west where wild fires are so prevalent, you would hate to be the cause of one due to a cheaply manufactured stove. I am now a pocket rocket user and feel better using it.

[@MatthewLettington]

As with anything, there's a right tool for the job. Sometimes the super light pot/burner setup is going to get you through a 5 ish days if you're doing coffees, breakfasts and meals if you're solo, or maybe a weekend for 4 (family) people. But the Jetboil or like stoves are a good option when sharing across multiple days to cut down on fuel consumption (weight/cost/volume). I've done 6 day trips sharing with 3 people on a single 210g canister. Cutting the wind is nice, as is the ability to pickup your stove while it's operating to move it if you need to. Thanks for the video, it's super useful for people trying to make the right choices.

[@douglasdoucette7352]

Love this episode & the perspective of different stove designs, prices, etc. including the ethical element. My current stove is Soto Windmaster & I love it! I looked at picking up the Campingmoon copy as a backup stove or for loaning to friends who hike with me however its current price now exceeds that of the Soto WM, at least in Canada!

[@mandurphy23]

The best kit is the one you enjoy the most. I have a jetboil stash that I got on a half-off sale at REI and I used my member points. It's small, light, simple, and has a clever design that lets everything snap together into a single container. I've seen people say the Soto windmaster with 3 arms + the stash's pot ends up being the best combo for wind protection, fuel efficiency, and time to boil, but I just don't care enough to spend another $40 on a stove plus wasting the jetboil stove. Cool that people think spending more money on more kits somehow saves money, but at the end of the day we're talking peanuts compared to other savings like a sleep system or shelter or food...

[@egyptcraze]

literally bought that amazon stove as my first stove bc I was on a budget and have NEVER felt any need to 'upgrade' to a more expensive one bc it's so awesome!

[@conorsmith5996]

Are they really that much bigger when the gas fits inside the jetboils anyway and is basically an included pot/mug all within it . Compared to the smaller ones you still need gas and a mug / pot ?

[@natehikes]

Been rocking my BRS for 4 years now. It’s a little inefficient but if anyone is worried about quality, you’re better off worrying elsewhere.

[@leigh7569]

I think it’s important to keep in mind that for some disabled individuals (such as myself) the stability that comes with systems like the jetboil one’s are necessary to prevent injury. I’m autistic and I have some coordination issues as well as tremors in my hands. I’ve injured myself a lot throughout my life, and I don’t think I could ever feel safe using one of the lighter weight stove systems. Some might think, “if you’re just careful, you’ll be fine,” but trust me: if you have a disability that causes coordination issues like mine, no amount of being careful will prevent accidents from happening. (I once poured boiling water directly onto my hand while making pour over coffee. I was paying attention, my hands sometimes jerk uncontrollably as they did then). Of course, I understand for most people, having the added stability won’t be necessary, but if anyone knows of a stove system that is still affordable and as stable as the jetboil system please let me know!

[@kmat7163]

I've gone full circle started over 25 years ago with the standard Jetboil and used for several years then MRS pocket Rocket, BSR, several other knock offs and now Jetboil STASH 7.1 oz total burner and cup. Boils water faster than most and can save fuel (possibly weight on long hikes were you need 2 cans vs 1 can). As for cost yes Jetboil is higher, weights a little more, it's more stable, saves fuel, very dependable and you don't need a lighter. As the best part of backpacking gear we all have options that fit each of us as we all enjoy the beautiful outdoors. Eric, I'm sure you knew you would touch a few buttons on this topic.

[@craigcusack1751]

Hi Eric, I'm a Jetboil owner and agree it could be a bit cheaper. However to be objective, take the price of your smaller cheaper stoves and add on everything the Jetboil brings and does and add that to your pricing, wind proofing, burning efficiency, stability space etc. In Australia we don't have the competitive pricing you do in the U.S. The Jetboil ticks the boxes as against buying a small stove, a support, a titanium mug, and wind protection. Add it all up and the Jetboil is your all in one go to, that is very price competitive. Yes we could buy off Amazon etc, however postage is ridiculous. Carry on. 👍🏾

[@wcamericanmade9828]

To everyone saying that its not that much cheaper once you buy a pot. I personally bought a BRS and a large titanium pot- from a local outfitter, plus a fuel can and lighter for under 45 dollars. Bought within the last year no sales

[@outdooroutpost6061]

Easily one of the best camping channels. You’re absolutely crushing it man.

[@blcolon]

Thanks for throwing in the pot price when comparing. I like my BRS and toaks titanium except sometimes the BRS “spits”. I have the jetboil titanium which isn’t made anymore and it sits in my car camp set even though it is fairly light.

[@DPM-dp9on]

Eric great video. Nice to see someone isn’t afraid to question the status quo’s in backpacking. I feel the same about Arc’teryx(China) and Patagonia.

[@LiliacLimm]

I just bought a "MSR PocketRocket Deluxe Ultralight Camping and Backpacking Mini Stove Kit" at about USD110. It is like the Camping Moon XD-2F+Toaks 750 ml pot, and the price is not too far off too. It comes with a cup and travel sack, so not too bad.

[@ek8652]

I’m totally happy with my Jetboil Flash. It works in cold, rain, and wind. Always lights up with the built in ignitor. Hardly uses any fuel. Paid $65 from REI while it was on sale and with a gift card from a previous promotional purchase. Added a pot support for $8 and a Sea to Summit collapsible cup. They BOTH store inside along with a fuel canister. AND I can simmer with it perfectly fine! You just can’t beat it.

[@northwestwalking]

I absolutely love my Jetboil. I’ve had it for well over a decade and it’s never failed me. About 6 months ago I started experimenting with little wood burning stoves, solid fuel pockets stoves and yes the BRS. I still love the jetboil but I struggle with the bulk and more importantly the environmental impact of gas canisters. Yea they are efficient and recyclable but conveniently overlooked the impact from manufacturing and distribution of the canisters. I think it’s time for the hiking community to revisit liquid fuel and wood options.

[@peterfagley772]

Eric, I have been using the Jetboil Minimo for some time now and while the cost and weight are certainly important elements to any strove choice, the Minimo is a complete system with lots of options, I appreciate that more than saving a few ounces or a few dollars. Cooking is a joy with this system, as I have watched you do many, many times. Keep up the great work you do for us!

[@eric_hanson]

Thanks Peter! The Jetboil Minimo is satisfying to use. I mostly want people to know that stoves are a great place to save money as a backpacker. This is the first piece of backpacking gear I'd say going super cheap you will barely notice a difference. Going cheap elsewhere in your kit and you might really regret it.

[@MichelleCTorresGrant]

Eric, you've stimulated a good conversation. I usually love your videos and agree with most of your ideas, but not this time. It seems like your point of view here is primarily bottom-line price, i.e. money out-of-pocket. I understand that if one simply can't afford expensive gear these ideas you present might be perfect. But for many people price isn't the main factor. Personally, I own many stoves including integrated systems like from JetBoil and MSR. I also have the tiny ultralight stoves (SnowPeak LiteMax and Soto Windmaster). There are definitely pros and cons with *each* stove type, and which one I would take depends on the particular trip. I love the weight and size of the tiny stoves, but I dislike their fuel efficiency and lower wind performance enough that I think the extra weight, bulk, and superior performance are totally worth it. I live on the California Coast, and we regularly get a lot of wind. Even using a wind block my tiny titanium stove will burn *significantly* more fuel than my JetBoil or MSR integrated systems. Lastly, I'm generally against any knockoffs. Even if a company chooses to outsource, it's manufacturing I value the R&D and supporting the costs of the main company. As an American with an American income I think it's hypocritical *if one can afford it* to get paid a decent wage but always try to find the cheapest product.

[@michaelkilpatrick3141]

Is the fuel use diffence better or worse between the stoves. Thus do we need more fuel or less depending. Based on a five to ten day hunting trip? Thks

[@ChristyHikes]

Great video Eric! My opinion is the Jetboil cook systems are one dimensional, meaning they can only boil water and yes are clunky, heavy and expensive. I too use the BRS 3000 along with the Toaks 650 Light Ti pot. I cold soak often and discovered the plastic lid from a Chock-full of- nuts coffee can fits my Toaks 650 pot perfectly with the Toaks lid in place. The plastic lid creates a good seal for cold soaking and I no longer need the pot sack to keep everything together.

[@fire7side]

Good points. I've got one of those smaller ones. They are all basically the same. I like playing around with my pop can stove the most. It doesn't cook fast, but I'm out camping and enjoying the day. It's like dehydrating my own food. Tastes better.

[@derekneumann]

I got a Mini-Mo for $99.... the thing slays. That being said... I also have a $5 Chinese BRS type canister mini stove, multiple alcohol stoves Trangia, Alocs, homemade, a OG MSR Pocket Rocket, and they all are worthy in different scenarios. I just went on a bike packing trip for 3 days where weight isn't even that big of a concern and I brought my MSR Pocket Rocket 1, and that new FireMaple Petrel 600 mL pot.... THAT is a pretty dope set up..... but I am never giving up the Mini-Mo... it's a great piece of kit for sure. NICE VID MAN!!

[@dracphelan]

When I am motorcycle camping, I use the Fire Maple knockoff of the Jetboil. When I am backpacking, I use the AOTU. I have had the AOTU for over 6 years and never had an issue with it.

[@TKLETSGOHIKING]

I wonder if it boils down to use (see what I did there) The amount of fuel a jet boil uses compared to the "pocket rocket". For the amount of days I'm out on trail at a time and the number of boils I do in a day I need to bring the 8oz canister with a pocket rocket compared to the 3.9 oz canister with the jet boil. I'm also purchasing almost twice as much fuel with the pocket rocket than with the jet boil. I wonder what the fuel cost is for each on a thru hike? Maybe a thru hiker will chime in on this.

[@UberHypnotoad]

It depends on what your priorities are. Why does it cost so much more? One word - Engineering. I have both types and still prefer the jetboil. 1) The stability issue may be more important to me than for you. I've seen a lot of tipped pots in my day, but never a jetboil. 2) Pot included. Sure, your third-party pot is a lot cheaper and SOMEWHAT smaller than the jetboil, but it's not saving you all that much space. 3) Efficiency. The jetboil boils water roughly twice as fast with roughly half the fuel. That's both less fuel to carry and less carbon for the atmosphere. 4) You don't always have to pay full retail. I, like many hikers I know, got theirs with a discount from either working in the industry or a second-hand sale or whatever. 5) In most cases, what you already own is what's best for you. I got my jetboil 14 years ago and it's never once let me down in any weather conditions. Whereas my pocket-rocket-style stove has needed repairs twice and doesn't behave well in windy situations. You can't just narrowly look at two stoves and say the bigger heavier more expensive one is more wasteful. You're not just cooking with your stove - you need a whole system. Sure, slapping a pot onto a pocket stove is cheaper and a bit lighter and smaller, but it's also less reliable, less efficient, less stable, and less integrated. I find the reliability, stability, and efficiency more important that initial cost and marginal weight and size difference. The weight gets made up in fuel and cost (and weight), and the cost difference is negligible when you're using your stove for 15-20 years+. I reject your short-sighted analysis, sir.

[@696969bold]

I have a no-name Chinese stove ($9), a Jetboil Sumo ($130), and an MSR PocketRocket Deluxe ($70). If in a bigger group (more than 2), I bring the Sumo. It's fast, consistent, flame tailor (regulator), and great in the wind; it's also heavier! If it's just me, PocketRocket Deluxe is the go-to. It's consistent, lights every time, flame tailor, and doesn't spread on my pot or burn handles. Firemaple G3 Petrel 600ml pot has been a pleasant surprise! The Chinese no-name usually goes to guests. 😊

[@mikeoverway6587]

Eric, appreciate your content. I'd take issue here with the lack of fairness you offered regarding the size of the small stoves compared to the larger systems. Only once did you mention the added pot with the smaller stoves, but multiple times you referred to the massive size difference while using the visual cues in front of you...a stove without a pot, windscreen, and coozy....all of which many backpackers take anyway. So, the size difference isn't as much as you inferred.

[@dorianatownsend]

My personal favorite is the Primus Spider backpacking stove, but I also do motocamping (off my motorcycle), not backpacking, so I have a little more space and tend to cook my own food. The main advantage of that is the stability since it doesn't sit on top of the fuel canister (I am clumsy and have knocked my skillet off traditional stoves a couple times), but it is still a little pricey at $69.99. All the affordable mini versions though are great for just heating up water for bagged meals and you really don't need anything more in those cases.

[@Jcs1aughter]

When I first started looking at camp stoves watched a bunch or reviews on different stoves. Came to the conclusion jetboil was insanely over priced. Ended up picking up the BRS 3000. That being said i also like to cook in just a camp fire when I can to conserve fuel. So I use a stanley pot to cook with, be it boiling water, heating up my own dehydrated meals or cooking knorr sides I can do that separately while I drink coffee out of my gsi cup the nest inside the stanley pot perfectly. Speaking of coffee I picked up a steel tea strainer I can add coffee to sit in my cup than pour my water into and let it steep. The stove, strainer, gsi cup and a 4 oz canister "fit" inside the stanley pot. Its a little heavy for probably most people but it was a cheap set up that's pretty versatile and just about bomb proof. It does however take a learning curve to cook without scorching some foods. I apologize for the long comment.

[@cosimo5301]

I agree with Eric arguments. It's not the price though, it's just the product. Jetboil is too bulky/heavy. Windscreen do not add enough comfort to be justified (strong wind will still turn it off/make it loose heat) - it is so much better to find a spot with no wind for cooking instead of having a windscreen. The neoprene envelope doesnt make sense, it's just weight. The chemical flame that tells you when water is boiling is not making sense, it's just an added cost. The ingniter doesnt work when it's humid and you need to ignite with a lighter anyway. I think like a lot of other brands, Jetboil tries to cover all the needs a human being can possibly imagine with a cooking system, and I fell for them myself. Truth is when you are out on the field you understand those needs weren't real and the only thing you need is something that bursts fire.

[@ImperiumLibertas]

Eric you've actually sold me on the MSR pot but not for the reasons you probably think. The MSR Wind Burner will be my next stove. Yes it costs more in dollars but it makes up for that easily in overall size. With my current setup my cup and pot house my igniter and my fuel has to be separate which takes up a ton of space. The MSR system houses the fuel making it much smaller overall and thats worth the dollars. I'm no ultra light backpacker but I definitely go light which ends up meaning I run out of space before I run out of weight allowance.

[@neilcotter6035]

I have the MSR Windburner also. Mine was free because I won it in a raffle. It works great! Yes a little more bulky but it nest all the items needed and is VERY good in windy conditions. I love it.

[@bradenholmes8011]

Would you say the wind master is a good balance between fuel efficiency and weight when compared to a jetboil?

[@wellseasonedhiker]

Nice video. You have a lot of experience with the stoves. The comparisons however lack a little clarity. You were comparing stove prices with stove+pot combinations. But sure, a BRS+toaks 750 is still sub $50. Additionally fuel costs come into play. A BRS will burn through a canister twice as fast - literally - versus a JB Stash...and well, that matters too. After all, if you're out for a week you can get by with a small canister with the JB (or even a Pocket Rocket) but the BRS wont' make it. So that'll mean a larger canister. I totally agree with you on the space a JetBoil takes. That's why I got rid of mine, but you have to admit - they boil a cup of water in record time. The BRS barely beats an alcohol stove - that's sad. Anyway, I think you did a great job here but maybe it's a bit more nuanced and not totally a slam dunk. Fully disclosure, I almost always head out with my old Pocket Rocket+Toaks 750. I think it's a great compromise. And no, I don't have the piezo lighter but even for those that bring a stove with one, you're still bringing a lighter....am i right?

[@daveevans7151]

Great video as always! I have the Soto WM (very happy with it and came from the BRS) and it seems that the moon might have a better lighter? The lighter on my Soto has just become unreliable at this point and I have been using the Firebiner from Outdoor Element... a good little piece of kit to have with you BTW.

[@gen_li7725]

One contender that nobody seems to ever talk about- the Soto amicus. It’s from a reputable brand, has a regulator, a pietzo lighter, it’s compact, and it comes with 2 pots for $50 total. I love my little amicus, it was the most affordable option I could find at the time I started backpacking (because it came with the pots) and it’s performed well for me!

[@isabelledrolet4297]

Got a BRS stove when I first started backpacking as it was a cheap option and I didn't want to invest too much from the get go, not knowing if I was going to stick with it. 7 years later, I still use it on all my trips as it has not given me any reason to change/upgrade it. The rest of my gear... well that's a different story!!

[@Batman8356]

When I'm backpacking it's the BRS 3000 with a reflectix wind shield/sit pad, when I'm car camping I use the same propane burner that I use to brew 8 gallons of wort for beer. Gets dinner done in a flash even with wind.

[@ridingunicorn6476]

I appreciate that you addressed the ethical debate. We attempt to buy "not made in China" goods. Unfortunately there does come a price point to where products are being manufactured and the savings could be passed onto the consumer at a more reasonable price for being made in China. I hope you continue to include where items are being manufactured, price, and honest reviews. Thank you, you've got a new subscriber!

[@gcvrsa]

I think there's sufficient comparison testing out there to suggest that the three best canister stoves on the market are the MSR PocketRocket Deluxe ($85), the SOTO Windmaster ($70), and the SOTO Amicus ($45). The cheap Chinese stoves will work, but they also waste an incredible amount of fuel compared to the MSR and SOTO stoves. The Amicus w/o igniter is my personal choice.

[@jamesrohner3792]

MSR Pocket Rocket for stove and just added in the 600ml Fire Maple Petrel pot. Love this new pot as it is about 10 second faster boil time than my old GSI pot for 400ml of water.

[@petemainacc]

Great video. I got a brs3000 and use it all the time. All other stoves stay at home.

[@AaronBrooks1]

I really value the stability (feet and bayonet connection with the heating vessel) for dispersed camping. A lot better to be able to ensure that you're not going to catch things on fire or spill boiling water on yourself when the campsite is very uneven and the rocks (or lack thereof) means it's hard to find a stable spot. There's also the fuel an time savings for the stoves with heat exchangers like the JetBoil system. It's not a gimmick -- it really does have value.

[@laurakohl4055]

I have had the same brs stove for 9 years and its still going strong! Combine with my Olicamp xts pot for wind protection, it has been a great little system.

[@VinceFowler]

Why buy a JetBoil? Because I can! LOL --- Eric, don't you wear Fjällräven pants? I mean, those aren't cheap! Comparatively, they're outrageously more expensive than Decathlon or REI products... 😉 I have a BRS, and it has its use case. I also have a JetBoil MicroMo, and it too has its benefits. My current favourite stove is the Soto Windmaster. I think it's my forever stove! As for Chinese Knock Offs... I make no judgement about what people do. I likely won't buy the knockoff because I can afford to support MSR, Soto, Hyperlite Mountain Gear, etc. I love your content. Thanks for always keeping it fresh!

[@MichelleCTorresGrant]

Those were exactly some of my thoughts! Not everyone has to use price as their main deciding factor. (I, too, absolutely love Fjallraven trousers!). I like to support companies that do the R&D. Even if they do end up outsourcing the manufacturing, as long as the quality remains high, I value the intellectual labor that goes into a product.

[@VinceFowler]

@@MichelleCTorresGrant exactly, Michelle. Not much of our beloved gear isn’t made in China.

[@nige]

You raise some valid points, but what about the person that already has the jet boil? Would you recommend them to put it aside and get a lighter system or is it still something that you’d use if it was in your arsenal already?

[@erniewill]

I have an MSR Pocket Rocket 2. I have a brand loyalty to MSR and like American made. Over the like 10 years I've owned it the price point per year between it and China knockoff is very small. I also gave up on windscreens. I have just gone with finding a protected place and augmenting with my hands if needed to protect from wind for the 2-3 minutes until my water boils. I don't turn the stove up all the way. If I do too much heat shoots out away from my Toaks and uses more fuel to do this. Also I started drinking instant coffee (Waka) so the water has to be just hot enough. I have a transfer valve so I always leave with a full small can and come back with fuel.

[@GeezerGear]

Eric, I have the $13 stove from Amazon coupled with a 650ml cup oz for oz the way to go over the jet boil. The jet is the fastest but the Amazon is like 15 secs slower! As far as carry goes it is not the jet boil. I have dedicated it to car camping or deck use. Hope this helps.

[@PerfDayToday]

Nice video. What’s your favorite cooking pot? What's its size, material, etc.?

[@kieferzenko]

I have only used the jetboil flash. How long do these other stoves take to boil water... my jetboil is always around a minute (for the full amount of water)... i guess it doesn't really matter that much.

[@Mike-vd2qt]

Fact: the JetBoil Micro Mo, has a regulator on the burner. I take the smallest 4oz fuel can on the Great Divide route and it will last almost a week. Since the Micro Mo simmers I can cook Knorr packs or Ramen noodles from a gas station. Plus the Micro Mo complete system is as small and light as a Pocket Rocket, Ti cup, extra fuel, and windscreen. And it boils water in 85 seconds. Hot enough for coffee in 60 seconds. Backpacker 50 years, started with a brass Svea in 1972, and have tried them all. ☮ Happy trails and pack your trash.

[@AtomicCitizen]

RE: Costs. R&D is a thing, designs don't just appear. Time/effort trial/error/revision. Many "China" models are engineering ripoffs in addition to cheap labor. They are exactly as you describe them. Copies. One may or may not care, but it is a less obvious and real factor. Also, Soto are made in Japan.

[@marcoarsilvaa]

Have my flash for 4/5 years now and love it, it’s convenient, reliable and fast … so at least for me … was a good buy… for the majority of things buy cheap items is asking for disaster in the outdoors

[@Norcalhighker]

BRS and a 550ml toaks has been my cook kit for 2 years. It’s all I’ve ever needed

[@backcountrybrian9336]

Curious. If you already have or had a pocket rocket et al, why would you buy a BRS? Is it because it’s so cheap you were looking for a backup? Or did your “name brand” stove actually fail? And if so has the BRS surpassed the duty cycle of the MSR? Also agree, for sure the MSR super kit stoves are great for extreme alpine or winter.