The Ultimate UW Cheons Deck | Vintage Cube Draft

[@haumph]

Classic Cheons

[@artemi7]

What actually makes a UW deck a Cheon deck vs normal UW control? Lol

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

THE MAN!

[@jesselove3715]

Yeeeaaahhh!!! 😂❤❤❤

[@bugsnap1562]

Literally said the same exact thing lol

[@lea8288]

@@artemi7 the cheons

[@jaceee4154]

lsv video missing my day cannot be saved

[@emmaf3035]

[@RyanSandorRichards]

Holy cow that “Unexpectedly Absent” play on the Lelia was sick, I never in a million years would have thought to do that 😮

[@zhakran]

that was a great play. The opponent just not pumping figure of destiny for lethal was as awful as that play was good though.

[@JapanischErfahren]

Video where? :(

[@TheJohtaja]

34:45 Wow, that was actually filthy! The interaction was Unexpected.

[@jrjamesson]

my jaw dropped

[@Laevateinn-]

this play blew my mind

[@sanguine6939]

I love when you draft control decks. There were a couple of moments where I was scared you were going to start adding colours but you stayed strong. Great deck.

[@artemi7]

This vid futures both the best Wheel of Fortune of all time, and an absolutely filthy Laelia play. Great games!

[@Stokkeland23]

That Laelia play was sweet. I did not know about that interaction. It's one of those things that after you see it you go like ah but of course. That's the biggest difference i noticed between playing against LSV and some random other good player. The game knowledge, technical play and timing of his spells are just flawless.

[@jrjamesson]

my jaw dropped

[@formwithoutcontent]

Holy smokes! LSV went through pack one and only took one land?! This is unheard of!

[@nolifeSnorlax]

Mr LSV did you forget to schedule a video for today? O.O

[@sanctuarygaming4984]

draw go with ancestral is a euphoric experience

[@Kendal411]

You had me at UW. Long overdue for some good Cheons.

[@LucianDevine]

Of all the games of Magic I've seen, that last game was certainly one of them.

[@Robert-sq7bp]

Props to the editor that 6-second transition at 41:59 is slick

[@brandonbagley795]

That first game against T1 esper sentinal into T2 Thalia was a thing of beauty.

[@SamRoads]

Miscalc the goyf. You have a stacked hand, you can only lose from something unexpected. It uses your mana. You're facing an aggro deck, you only lose to getting out tempoed.

[@jrjamesson]

I was thinking just leave up the miscalc+swords since goyf was just an 0/1 at the time. I'll never understand tapping out like that just to get a recall when the hand was already stacked

[@turbobrew]

Not miscalcing the goyf is debatable. Tapping out for spell seeker was clearly a blunder since LSV could have mystical toutered for recall if he wanted while still keeping interaction up. Sometimes I think LSV is a genius like the Laelia play, but realistically be was already winning that game. A lot of high level game play is simply not blundering, and being 300iq is actually less important. I really admire Reid Duke for this fact, I don’t think he is the cleverest player but he may be the most consistent and thoughtful.

[@Limkmc]

Time warp DOES count as a crime when you target your opponent

[@bricelory9534]

Lol on multiple levels

[@grin_of_grimmsnarl1333]

r3g2 seems like a misplay not to mulligan. you know opponent is aggressive. It's not safe to hedge on getting to t3 intact for even that Unexpectedly Absent.

[@LSVargas]

I agree

[@LucidVision1]

As someone that drafts fair blue a lot, It makes me sad TNN was cut from the LSV cube. I see it as a defensive card that can also pressure once the tide has turned. It's one of the best defensive cards in the game against agressive decks I think these matchups highlighted it's strength

[@Fetterfun]

Emperor exiling Kroxa plus LSV's reaction had me laughing pretty hard

[@tomrichards7334]

Drink-drafting opponent for sure.

[@NdnfksHfndk]

Is this the LSV withdrawal waiting room?

[@emmaf3035]

[@rprat350]

That first opponent is wild! Birds, ragavan, sentinel. That’s a stretched mana base.

[@NathanCrandall-y8o]

TNN was insane every time you played it! Wrath would’ve blown your 3rd opponent out as well

[@brothertobias]

Great deck! The power of control

[@dementievatz]

One of these days I’d love to see you go all in on Nadu. I drafted that deck recently, and it was a ton of fun even without equipment - Bristly Bill, Luminarch Aspirant, stuff like that.

[@LucianDevine]

He had a deck like that. I think it was in one of their team drafts a while ago.

[@Joshuralize]

Unexpectedly -Absent- Exiled

[@Luke_Himself]

Staring at my phone refreshing lsv's channel at 12:59...

[@magnusbenzein1741]

Looks like a fun draft, some interesting picks in Dress down over Temple garden and not speculating on the Snuff out pack 3 with marsh flats and tower.

[@davidopp2939]

“We die to Headliner Scarlet” OP immediately plays Headliner Scarlet

[@benlittle5543]

Cha-cha-cha- Cheons! Watch it grow

[@thomasalley3121]

Oh man, he's gonna get his ancestral duressed...... OH NO!

[@yawgmoth6568]

The real mistake last game was tapping out to cast spellseeker. Yes wheel is not a card you probably expected, but since mystical tutor can get you ancestral as well, it just seemed far better to leave shields up then to put a 1/1 into play. Then you mystical end of turn for recall and main phase it if you needed a land drop. Anyways, I almost always draft U/W/x control in vintage cube so this was nice to see even if it was a little more on the tempo/aggro control spectrum than pure control.

[@Blackadder75]

I really am getting decent at drafting control decks in cube, which is funny because I used to be more of a mono red aggro player in constructed. I did the 'pause and guess what LSV will pick game' here and 80-90% I predicted the correct card. I guess I don't know if it was any good, maybe this was a 0-3, because I didn't watch the matches yet. But it feels nice.

[@ostarakonrad9907]

Lsz has such a high percentage of predicting the card hes about to die to

[@benjaminschomburg7746]

Wow, that wheel of fortune was sick

[@datfox2844]

Hope everything is ok!

[@philreske3605]

I think Shorakai is better than evaluated in this deck. I would have slammed it if I didn't have Ancestral. Oko Pack 3 would have tempted me LOL

[@philreske3605]

already have the nadu, then grieves and verdant shows up in the subsequent picks. Mana wasn't there though.

[@ancestralrecall]

Oh yeah it’s all coming together

[@pedronaranjito]

Always love to see some Cheonanigans

[@robertfuson2253]

I’m not ready to watch this beautiful deck for 1-2 given how the cube has changed😢

[@pugthemaster8]

I love TNN in a deck like this. Answer all their stuff, play TNN and most answers in their hand become duds

[@ericcourtaway8920]

Let's ggggoooo!!!!! Cheons coming in!!!!

[@concertautist4474]

It would have been nice to see some more Gloomburrow drafts as the format matured.

[@Seldomheardabout]

What changed in this Cube that makes you like containment so bad? It seems as good as ever and you are just picking up on that.

[@zach172]

The addition of Phelia was huge for containment priest tbh. Also parallax wave has gotten really good since the cube is more creature based now and Wave + Priest is busted.

[@ZaphodTube]

back in the day we channeled our fatties, now flash is added. Maybe more creatures get cheated into play? Sneak was a deck, but nobody played show and tell, which also gets played today…

[@sebrr039]

the meta shifted hugely in favor of flash, if you watch his other videos he's always raving about how strong flash is right now. IIRC he said it's the strongest non-power (+ ring and crypt) card in the cube. If priest completely stops one of the strongest cards, it is one of the strongest cards.

[@Seldomheardabout]

@@zach172 excellent points.

[@Seldomheardabout]

@@ZaphodTube I guess it has become better but not as much as he talks about it.

[@modestbukowski]

Felt like the deck only lacked a Wrath of god

[@rossmcbeath4997]

He had a couple chances at Wrath/Damn, but I understood his reasoning picking duals and the like. Still, I see what you are saying! Especially with Mystical Tutor, would have added another angle. Some kind of life gain may also have helped, but not sure what is in the cube in UW that can do it. No Sphinx's Rev or what-have-you.

[@modestbukowski]

@@rossmcbeath4997 It's interesting how different people value different things. In general I think LSV overvalue lands and playing more than 2 colors, where a focused 2 color would be stronger and not so mana intensive. He also doesn't focus so much in general on removal. I asked why Bosh N Roll or what his name is didn't value lands higher, and he said he rather focus on 2 colors. It's good to have an understanding of ones own biases.

[@actualjessielive783]

Not taking cryptic makes me sad, it is SUCH a good card, I have been taking it in my drafts and its almost always the best draw, I think it is SEVERLY under rated.

[@jrjamesson]

exiling kroxa because it's a 2 mana lethal lightning bolt next turn doesn't seem so bad when they have a fireblast coming and you're dead on board even without the phoenix in the yard.

[@DieEnteable]

The emperor had counters on it already though, so they couldn't adapt again. Unless they had another way to put counters on it.

[@spooky_zen]

aven interupter is pretty good in arena, its tempo and a body. I play it in tefari control u dont even need to flicker it

[@RagingPoo]

I see Cheons, I click

[@94andrewrossato]

Paul and LSV collab when???

[@Trashman99]

Why does the description say that the singer Usher is in this video? Did you trade in BK for him?

[@DieEnteable]

Cuz Luis wants to plow him.

[@chris0lthof]

Mystical tutor for Ancestral is actually kinda terrible when you think about it. You're paying 2 mana to essentially draw 1 card - because if the mystical wasn't in your deck you'd have another potentially useful card in hand instead of it, and you waste a draw step drawing the ancestral. I'm surprised LSV prioritizes this kind of card draw (cantrips etc) so highly. Anyone else agree?

[@DieEnteable]

2 mana for +1 card (trading your 2 for 3 new cards) is a fine deal if you don't need to do anything else with your mana. That's a 2 mana instant speed divination. Not the strongest play in the world, but not bad either. Especially if you mystical end of opponent's turn when you couldn't do anything else with your mana anyway. Then it's essentially a 1 mana divination.

[@Limkmc]

Instant spells for instant wins

[@MegaBattleCruiser]

I have no idea why he didnt miscalc that nethergoyf last game, anyone explain?

[@Zephromonia]

Agreed. Seems strange to not miscalc, and then to tap out next turn. What's the point of miscalc if you aren't going to be able to use it until turn 4?

[@DieEnteable]

It was an 0/1 at that point so he was saving miscalc for something more impactful.

[@deandouvikas]

they're trying, but i think they're still going to be able to win

[@Asdfconsulting]

I really think Nadu + Greaves would have been worth it

[@Asdfconsulting]

Though it is a beautiful deck

[@th693]

WU!

[@PhakeJake]

I’ve noticed you remark often recently on pick 1s “nothing here is remotely pickable,” or something like that. Do you think you’re just getting unlucky a bit lately, or does the MTGO cube have a bit more fluff at the moment?

[@LSVargas]

Yes

[@PhakeJake]

@@LSVargas 😢 I feel like all the packs I open recently are duds too

[@collardcow4183]

Where are decks like this when you’re playing in a qualifier lol

[@GregaryUpton-q3b]

Brown Thomas Jones Eric Rodriguez Kenneth

[@brandonbagley795]

I would do anything to watch LSV play more cheons

[@chanroyal]

Wow what I would give to be passed atraxa, vaultborn, worldspine, sneak, and breach.

[@brittenstaskywicz2436]

P1p1 recall, bw cheons? Is it my birthday?

[@cesarramon4636]

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[@tepidgoose]

Luis: Been watching your content a very, very long time. I quit magic at least 5 years ago, and your vintage cube videos are my single remaining connection to the game. So it should be clear that I'm not "out to get you" here. But that last round left a very bad taste in my mouth. Yes, the guy made poor plays. But your reactions were equally poor, to say the least. I know you've been on a tilting run with the Cube Worlds qualifiers. I'm sure that shit sucks, and especially so when you're doing so on camera. I really empathize. But in round 3 here, you yourself made several mistakes. You misunderstood the man-land (which admittedly didn't matter) ... But far more importantly, you played objectively incorrectly during the second turn of game 3. He's an aggro deck, you're a control deck. Tale as old as time. All you need to do is protect your life total and you will win almost by default. That's been the case for 20 years in this game. And especially here given your hand. You simply can't lose if you slow him down. Letting him have two threats and then tapping out for a 1/1 is strictly incorrect in every sense of the word. You couldn't see the wheel coming of course, but you should definitely be aware of getting out-tempo'd as a path to his victory, and refusing to either swords or lapse on turn 2 is just strictly wrong 100% of the time. I don't necessarily expect you to be so humble as to berate yourself on camera for it, but the multiple smarmy comments on opponent's play after having clearly punted yourself was a very poor look. If you've read this Luis, I'm not attacking. I just hope it gave you food for thought. I love your content, but this wasn't it.

[@LunaMothPGH]

Watching LSV not a leave his counter up into rakdos turn 3 in this cube, and then get dumpstered by wheel is just wild. Like isn't LSV supposed to be a good player?

[@Trashman99]

20:17 3 mana draw 3? Wow, must be a terrible card!