The Unrepentant : Russell Williams, Karla Homolka and more - the fifth estate

[@motherof1132]

Karla Hamolka is what makes me nervous when my kids go out. Never to trust a woman, not just men who approach kids.

[@julieholien3681]

She should never have gotten out of jail.

[@gayleandreah]

And now she's a soccer Mom in Calgary.

[@juliemc9947]

Trust no one

[@xen0bia]

I saw the full Russel Wiliams interrogation in another Fifth Estate video. That interrogator did a phenomenal job catching him in a corner and getting a confession out of the guy, it's amazing. No wonder this video is now used to educate more investigators in the art of interrogation.

[@phillymichelle8370]

xen0bia I agree 100%. My dad was a Philadelphia police officer/homicide detective 30 years and he said that taped interrogation should be used in Police Departments everywhere as a training tool for conducting interrogations. The detective who conducted it , however, was not your everyday run-of-the-mill cop. That officer was a specialist in criminal behavior. My dad said that the detectives training in psychology really worked to his benefit. You have to be able to read people in a short amount of time, then decide how to play them. Some suspects such as Russell Williams wasn't gonna go for like the old "good cop, bad cop" technique or to try and back him into a corner. That detective played him just right and was able to use Williams' ego and intelligence against him and while some suspects would just not give a crap about their friends perception of them, Williams' ego, standing in his community and how he was going to be portrayed in the media and by his family and friends was very important to him. That detective knew that about Williams, and was able to use this against him and it is that which ultimately was Williams' undoing. My dad thinks all cops and especially detectives should have some kind of training in psychology or at least criminal psychology to help the officers sharpen their ability to interrogate suspects, which will most likely make them a better detective and a more effective interviewer.

[@lornaginetteharrison414]

I totally concur. The detective is awesome, as are the rest of the team (criminal profilers & interrogation experts) who helped devise a plan specifically tailored for Russell Williams. I've also seen other documentaries about this case, including the whole interrogation room interview. I hope this doesn't make me sound TOO weird (although as you're also watching this video, I'm guessing I'm amongst the similarly afflicted!), but even though I've seen it before, I still find it fascinating to re-watch the full police interview. It's an absolutely flawless masterclass in interrogation technique. I believe it is used by law enforcement agencies world wide for training purposes, not just in Canada.

[@fembot521]

Peter Beedle he worked extensively with the forensic behavioural unit of the police to come up with an interview "plan". It was well thought out and executed! They knew Williams was their guy a couple of days before they brought him in so they prepared. I think the calmness of Smyth was integral to this thing. Imagine Russell saying "call me Russ please". It is insane how that played out!

[@xen0bia]

@8th Wonder Of The World Says the ignorant troll...

[@arnieramsbottom704]

xen0bia it's best to make sure not it best to make sure

[@letolethe5878]

The plea deal with Hormulka, a human monster, is one of the most disgusting miscarriages of justice I've ever heard.

[@Hollylivengood]

And her lawyer! He's the same remorseless narcissist. He was smiling and laughing at how strong she was and what a good job they did.

[@frankskoda-simmons4802]

It is simply disgusting and gave a worse name to canadian justice system. Worse, because bad it already is.

[@LusciousTwinkle]

i dont understand how the plea deal stood?

[@kummakummakummakummakummac8606]

Women tend to get special treatment in court. It's the double standard they don't want to talk about.

[@melissablais6030]

The second they found those video tapes the plea deal should have been off the table

[@bradcharlton9362]

How the heck nobody has knocked off Karla Homolka since her release is mind-boggling.

[@HerculesRockefellerESQ]

Tomorrow is another day. 🤞

[@lunagoodhart5489]

Would you want to be so close to something so dark & evil?!

[@mysticmeg111]

Canadians are famous for their courtesy and kindness. Homolka is evil incarnated. I would not care to be near her.

[@shelleyg1836]

one reason is because she married her lawyers brother and moved to the bahamas. it was only in recent years she moved back to quebec. since then though yes i am shocked also but she did get a legal name change to hide her identity which i don't agree with. supposed to be illegal in canada to get a name change if u have a criminal record. i looked into it because my son wanted to take his father's birth name as an adult and that info was in the paperwork.

[@lmn1966]

She's in Calgary go get her

[@GSXK4]

That interrogation of Russell Williams is widely regarded as a textbook example. He literally stopped a serial killer in his tracks who was just getting started. Saved many women's lives.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

It really is absolutely brilliant!

[@nightowl7459]

Generous G: As good as it obviously was he was lucky that the interviewee was quite cooperative and maybe a bit naive.

[@alicekranyk4173]

@@nightowl7459 Lol Russell Williams was not naive 🙄

[@kathleenmitchell1582]

@@alicekranyk4173 No, he even tried to make his neighbor look guilty for the killing of Jessica Lloyd. He is an evil, sick individual. SMH

[@minibixxx]

It's not the interrogation that stopped him, it's the just the final straw but they had a strong case already at that point

[@shelby6571]

That first guy just dodged the question when he asked him about raping the 9 year old. He never answered the question, he just went on to talk about another woman. He is really one sick MF! :(

[@thebitchisback2392]

shelby6571 Ya undastand. He's won't be where he belongs till he's dead. Sounds as ignorant as he most clearly is.

[@KoimaLechoN]

shelby6571 he is clearly delusional.

[@kwikky22]

The others were a lot worse.

[@whawkins8636]

You noticed that huh

[@whawkins8636]

Y'uderstand

[@peterrobertson8033]

I live in Australia , Retired & & have a lovely Canadian daughter in law, who is amazed how much I know about Canada not just crime, thanks to the fifth estate. Thank you.

[@sassyg3316]

Another Aussie here and completely agree.🇦🇺🇨🇦

[@JJJJ-gl2uf]

The Fifth Estate has always been excellent, and in recent years it's one of the few shows left on the CBC that's worth watching.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

I grew up mostly in the USA, but was lucky enough to have Canadian History as a social studies elective in high school. It was such an amazing, eye-opening class; before that, (I'm embarrassed to say) I honestly just thought of Canada as more or less "North USA." But what I learned has been invaluable for literally decades now, and the Fifth Estate and other CBC shows have become a staple of my media consumption. Plus, like you, I've been able to amaze Canadian friends! 😉 There's a very large Canadian emigree population where I currently live in the US, and I'm happy to say my knowledge & interest in Canada has led to numerous lasting & valued friendships! (Also, FWIW, Australia is at the very top of my bucket list! I've wanted to visit there as long as I can remember. I've only briefly been in the southern hemisphere once, but my absolute dream is to spend several months in Australia/NZ at some point. I'd love SO much to experience Christmas & New Years during summer, see Uluru at sunset, dive the barrier reef, camp under unfamiliar stars in the outback wilderness, catch a barramundi, see kangaroos, dingoes & koalas in the wild...the list is basically endless! In fact, about the only things I *don't* want to do are to confront a funnelweb, a blue-ringed octopus, a saltwater croc or a box jellyfish! 😱 Cheers to you and best wishes from the USA!)

[@annieholbis2430]

@@sassyg3316 another 🇦🇺🇨🇦 here too!

[@heathermcdonald1496]

Karla is now living in Montreal under the name Leanne Teale and is married with kids. I feel sorry for those kids because when they grow up and learn about their mother their lives will be devastated. She should never have been released. Now she is going to ruin even more lives

[@amsandison5015]

Heather McDonald her last name is Bourdalais probably spelled it wrong

[@erynvalin3962]

Heather McDonald she's pathetic she is using Paul's real last name.. 😒

[@gar7reever754]

I thought she left Quebec? I was under the impression her real identity was discovered and her location so she is now in the Caribbean? Just wondering? She's ... words can't describe her...

[@sierrachoco5271]

We, in the U.S. were shocked also - which says alot with some of the nuts that live here!

[@gayleandreah]

@@gar7reever754 I heard she was living in Calgary.

[@jacquelinemcgarvie5908]

I was living in St Catharines when Karla was released from prison. I’m fact the church where they abducted Kristen French was a block away from my apartment. People were understandably terrified and our Premiere came to St Catharines in an attempt to calm fears. That sociopathic murderer was released and all the stipulations put forth to monitor her movements were disbanded after only a few weeks. That monster could move next door and be around our most vulnerable. I was 21hrs old and truly terrified for the first time in my life. She should continue to rot in prison with Bernardo. That level of evil cannot be cured. She should be whipped off the earth. I’m horrified to learn that this woman has been allowed to have children without life-long supervision. People who do bad things can be rehabilitated. Cold blooded killers however are incurable

[@janetlucas2343]

Kills her sister and two other young women and gets to live out her life in the Caribbean? I've never killed anyone and I'm stuck in a trailer park in the far North.

[@gabyponte6497]

I feel you ! Here I am a good person. And struggling...while she's eating coconuts on the beach

[@estellacoggins715]

Yes, but you have a clean conscience and probably a straight pass to heaven when you pass.

[@kellyhunte9668]

I hope it's not my island

[@MsPak65]

As far as I know, she lives in Montreal Canada

[@Pattiepies55]

But you are a decent human being and an asset to this world.

[@PureAmbition33]

I can't believe they let Homolka go. The things she did are unforgivable and she was most certainly an active participant. Just as bad as Bernardo.

[@ohwell94]

Worse

[@sparx180]

Worse!

[@spicnspan981]

PureAmbition33 I actually think she may well be worse? She watched and helped him kill her own sister for Christ sake!! That’s just unthinkable.

[@bobbierobinson6269]

She was young, good looking, and an even better liar, but truthfully.. The cops were suckers. They didn't even check her out. They could have did a little more investigation and got both. Who knows, maybe she traded her body to a judge...She's no saint.

[@gayledimitri5887]

I can’t believe she’s out, married again with 3 kids, living in the Caribbean! Crazy!

[@gittehansen5951]

I watched the whole interview with Mr. Williams. It's brilliant policework!! He read him like an open book and gave him no other choice than confess! BRILLIANT!!

[@xjstalex1332]

Me thinks so 2:) Although untill the part he actually started confronting him and more or less accusing him about the murders, the fact that he said the word ok like a 2billion times kinda got on my nerves for some reason!He got me this close to watching something (anything) else!Other than that his work was stellar!!!Even more if you consider how young he is!

[@joanbaczek2575]

xjst alex me to reminded me of the teacher in South Park mmmmkay?

[@LusciousTwinkle]

@@xjstalex1332 Everything he did and said was deliberate. Those guys (the good ones) are so amazing at their jobs.

[@LusciousTwinkle]

@@purvisvandongen4258 Have you seen many police interviews? Believe me this is brilliant. How many murder cases go to trial? This guy totally avoided this by extracting a confession. This guy is a legend in his field.

[@patriciamurphy3404]

KARLA....WANTED HER FURNITURE BACK..OMG

[@bryansiphomartin7462]

It's rather telling in retrospect, right? Back then I guess the assumption was that she wanted to host the ladies for lunch.

[@criticRN]

Karla is Canada's shame

[@thebaddog4104]

@@criticRN Have ya seen ol col. williams swimsuit issue yet

[@toffanful]

@@thebaddog4104 HA!

[@bridgethamilton6057]

I'M 59yrs old and have followed Karla's case from day one. I agree with everyone that she's just as guilty,however, what makes me truely angry is that her parents side with her. I Can understand that in the beginning they wanted to believe that she was a victim.but now that all the evidence is out and they still support her enrages me.

[@designerwendie8811]

The parental bond is the hardest bond to break. I watch quite a bit of true crime documentaries and have seen my share of parents who couldn't walk away from their son or daughter even though they had killed a sibling or grandchild. I don't fault them for still loving their child. Loving a family member who did heinous things does not mean one approves of their actions. I only take issue if the parents are still holding to the narrative that Karla was herself a victim. I empathize with the position they are in emotionally as parents of both siblings, but I can't give a pass for supporting Karla in promoting such an obvious lie because that would show no honor toward the memory of their murdered daughter. In most of the other stories I've watched about sibling murder, the parents supported their incarcerated child but did not make excuses for their actions and even admitted they deserved to be imprisoned. One mother even had to admit her son was still dangerous and would never allow him near her youngest child.

[@jackchop1576]

Her other sister doesn't seem to care at all either.

[@ashleykelly9458]

Jim Smythe is one of my favorite people!! He’s an incredible interrogator. Everyone should watch the full interrogation, it’s next level!

[@rabbitss11]

The verbal tick " understand " is almost funny because, no, we do not

[@voodoodolly]

Yeah, hes used to using it as a threat, to kids and women😒

[@marleneschulz118]

My thought on hearing him say ‘you understand’ was that he liked to use the phrase in a threatening manner.

[@--Skip--]

Men use the phrase, "You understand?," are trying desperately to hide the fact that they are feel lower than a stomped out cigarette due to many wrong choices they have made since childhood.

[@nyk3334]

He speaks in verse. Lack of father probably.

[@smurfylee]

@@nyk3334 He is a disgusting pos, and tried to sound spiritual and wise but his evil stank energy was too obvious 🤮

[@pi6913]

Homolka should be rotting in prison... Who is her husband? How could anyone knowingly marry that thing? I feel sorry for her 3 kids... She lives in Quebec now.

[@ohwell94]

Ugh ..her husband is her lawyers brother I cannot understand how anybody would want to be in the same street as her let alone share her bed

[@fonkamex]

She was living in Chateaugay, in the suburbs of Montreal, she learned French and got a grade during prison time payed by our taxes. I read in the news from time to time people discovers who she is (she has a brand new name of course as part of the deal) and they rise the voice to remove her from whatever she is doing. She is popular the wrong way!

[@CrankyBubushka]

That woman is disgusting. She is a very sick person and belongs in prison.

[@dianelapointe4628]

Yet, they freed her, and she left prison with a university degree...got married, had 2 babies. Disgusting justice system...how do they sleep at night after making a deal with the devil? smh

[@sexycougar7140]

+Diane LaPointe In USA if they found out that she lied for a deal they can revoke it and do..Canada is a killers dream...

[@dianelapointe4628]

I wish they had done that here at her trial.

[@merricat3025]

Sexy Cougar I think they could have done it in Canada too but they chose not to

[@amsandison5015]

Diane LaPointe 3 babies now and is in Quebec again The kids are all in school now It sickens me Leslie was a friend of mine

[@intuitiveself-love9513]

Russell stopped chewing as soon as he realised he got caught lol

[@faticus5369]

The people that decided Karla should do only 12 years, need to be held accountable!

[@Garbeaux.]

She should be let to live her life. She was abused and forced to do all those things.

[@Neena803]

ahahahahahaha@@Garbeaux.

[@Garbeaux.]

@@Neena803 so an abused and battered woman is funny to you?!

[@Neena803]

@@Garbeaux. you are funny. She is a MONSTER

[@Neena803]

@@Garbeaux. you are funny. She is a MONSTER

[@passionatebraziliangirl.4801]

They all share one main characteristic: Total detachment unemotional they describe horrific crimes as if they were remembering another walk on a lazy sartuday afternoon. How does someone become unemotional about traumatizing events? Homolka "I knew that she had to be gone" Like she doesn't see nor feel the gravity of murder, omg! ...Homolka "These people"... This woman have no soul I don't understand why she is enjoying her freedom. At if Rafey was laughing as he described his sister fighting for her life. He watched his mother been bludgeon to death. How cruel is that omg!

[@marycahill546]

What is so scary about narcissists and psychopaths is how normal they can seem. They know how to play normal as a role, but they feel nothing.

[@misteradhd608]

the last one did not seem normal though

[@bruce8321]

Like Trump.

[@linkslinks7965]

Exactly perfect comment

[@michelleadams474]

@@sr2291 Some do, but these people perform to perfect the illusion of normal.

[@michelleadams474]

@@sr2291 I get that and yes some people we can eventually see through after being around them for a while, but I think it can take a minute to get past the charm and seemingly togetherness of a person like this.

[@andyoldham1702]

I think Lightning Lee feels misunderstood, Do you understand? Do you understand? Do you understand? ............?

[@IamKrissyKO]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I think the same.....

[@tinali7394]

lol u really made me laugh with this

[@brittneewinfrey9559]

Lol. That's funny. Poor man is misunderstood.

[@amaxo7165]

Andy Oldham right!!

[@somedudechris104]

Funny!

[@johnadams2063]

She was sicker than him. She killed her own sister..my god!!!!

[@lindaarrington9397]

I know Canadian law sucks This woman needs to be Put away 4 EVER OR KILLED But they let her go Out to kill again

[@MegaMeowMeow]

Late reply… but it’s not a contest. Guy hurt so many people.

[@gregshell8570]

Detectives must not care!!!!!

[@UrzliBoy]

Don’t forget, Homolko helped Bernardo to dismember Leslie Mahaffay...

[@Cosmic_Cowgirl]

I'm 10 minutes in and Lightning Lee has said "ya understan" 18 times

[@jluchette]

Kings be sayin ya unnastan all the time ya unnastan?

[@debbieschwartz557]

Glad you were counting because I couldn’t keep up with him.

[@kellykirkpatrick5325]

It's a tic and should be illegal

[@H.rgirlie]

Such an bigot

[@SherLizz]

The interrogation of Russell Williams is truly awesome.

[@suzystone244]

Sher Lizz Brilliant is the word I use. Fabulous detective. Beautiful execution on Russell

[@pi6913]

+suzy klitgaard Absolutely, I am addicted to watching it... I don't watch his description of the crimes, just the beginning up to his realization that he is f..cked... The way he takes deep breaths, and completely understands he will never be free again... a tiny victory for Marie France and Jessica...

[@deemariedubois4916]

I have watched that interview so many times. I find myself going back to it over and over.

[@msvirginia1799]

@@deemariedubois4916 e

[@Gonken88]

Heh so we are led to believe. In reality, they had tyre tracks, boot prints and DNA linking him to the crime scenes. Russ manned up and confessed to make life easier for his wife.

[@jonnoble53]

"D'ya'undastand?" Ummmm not really actually

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

lol

[@quickchris10comcast]

I would understand some woman being respected as a queen -- not being killed like he did.

[@Thornspyre81]

It's an ignorant thug kind of tic thing

[@kummakummakummakummakummac8606]

African Americans love to repeat that as well as "Yah know what I mean".

[@hkbabel]

Whenever I hear/read about Karla H. and how she's living now I shake with such fury that I fear I'll have a stroke. Unbelievable.

[@michaellovely6601]

I would love it if someone "accidentally" ran over Karla with an SUV.

[@irenegroden6480]

She killed her own sister ? And now she has kids ? Terriifying

[@dididothat2245]

It’s a shame that they couldn’t have used Karla’s tapes to indict her for lesser crimes that still carried more prison time after she’d served her sentence. It would’ve been justice to see her exit prison, thinking she’s free, only to be re-arrested. I feel like several people dropped the ball in her case. The police footage of her walking through their home and pointing to furniture that she wants to keep was extremely sickening. She now has the audacity to complain about people harassing her now that she’s free. She should never be free.

[@numbermoja1]

this is a denial of justce for tammy, leslie and kristen...this women should have been jailed for life.

[@fembot521]

number moja it is the fault of the defence attorney. He had tapes that proved their guilt and he didn't tell anybody. They made a plea deal for her testimony against Bernardo, then the tapes surfaced having had been in the possession of the defence attorney the whole time. She later went on to marry his brother.

[@luckylegz222luckylegz9]

she wed her Defense Attorney's Brother??? Wow! theyre all a bunch of Psychos! Spawn of Satan!

[@suzystone244]

number moja Death Penalty is justice

[@mollymellinger654]

I like how he tries to curry favor by saying, "Call me Russ, please," and the investigator goes, "Okay," and then proceeds to say, "So, Russell..." lolz

[@l.pmoonstone5067]

No he doesn't. He called him Russ

[@lindaarrington9397]

That guy is so creepy He would have kept killing

[@Bugsybugs]

He is trying to assert his authority over the detective and let him know that it is he that is charge.

[@neige4221]

@@Bugsybugs I think he was trying to ingratiate himself to the detective. Did you not notice how he was concerned for his reputation from the work friends as well as what his wife would think of him once this all hit the fan? He is obviously a psychopath but he’s a covert narcissist to begin with. His reputation is everything to him.

[@mariella2884]

Honestly I’ve never hated a sentence before but now “do you understand” is going to forever make me angry.

[@aoclive6710]

Is your kitty kat fresh and tight ?

[@cassandraharris442]

I had to fast forward that guy. He was pissing me off.

[@ShadowWizard123]

Russell Williams in lingerie is one of the signs of the apocalypse.

[@249erx4]

That square patch on Russell’s head is offensive

[@xIIIQueenOfSwordsIIIx]

I just want to slap that damned thing off his stupid head.

[@paystarbuzzy]

His hair island was not done justice in the movie, "An Officer and a Murderer." Every time I see him on this clip I have new contempt for chewing gum.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

I've seen it referred to on the True Crime Loser YT channel as a "forehead goatee." But regardless what you call it, it is highly offensive...along with literally everything else about him! The man is straight-up an offense to humanity, full stop!

[@breakit46]

He is a sick Samsung Galaxy fan mocking iPhone users.

[@derinaries]

I was looking for these comments. Lol. Tough guy needs to remove his crainium patch.

[@misskay8131]

I literally cannot watch this whole episode, it is so chilling and haunting and the stuff of nightmares. That first guy was absolutely terrifying.

[@hannsolotx8568]

I had to skip 1/2 of 1st interview he terrified me in a way I can't explain. The crown prosecutor did the world a favor getting conviction. 👏

[@neige4221]

I think you should be more afraid of someone like Russel William’s. The other guy you can pick up his “crazy” just by instinct, but “Russel’s” of the world will get you to be their victim without you seeing it coming, and most likely will get away with their crimes.

[@CrueMagnon]

I like how the interrogator didn't address Russell Williams with his rank before his name. Clever act to bring him down a couple of notches

[@derinaries]

Its to gain hus trust and make them seem like friends/allie/equals.

[@justine_holloway]

Homolka is one of the vilest creatures I have ever heard of. True justice needs to be served to a demon like that.

[@fayefrancis1377]

To think she has children...God

[@texasray5237]

She'll be a pariah for her whole life and she'll have to watch her back too.

[@DarkAngel71180]

Lightning Lee did himself no favors by doing this interview.

[@athena8729]

Hallelujah! He will NEVER get out 😏

[@kummakummakummakummakummac8606]

Well he's a King and they tend to do what they want.

[@Scorch428]

I think he just wanted to prove that hes a professional badass, which, I guess he kinda is...

[@nasirabdi5249]

True

[@jluchette]

He a king, ya unnastan? He gon walk free, ya unnastan? He wouldn’t put no knife to no woman’s throat, ya unnastan?

[@Chewbecca101]

I wonder what kind of person would marry Karla. And those poor children!

[@emmaw8763]

Chewbecca101 her lawyers brother........... says it all really. i feel bad for her kids.

[@EYE_GOTCHA]

Chewbecca101 Someone who is as twisted as she is...or who is very naïve. Yikes.

[@emmymoreno4929]

@@emmaw8763 she married her lawyers brother? That's crazy messed up

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Yep! Her lawyer's brother, from what I've read. So apparently being a disgusting, callous, gullible disgrace to humanity runs in that family? And yes- I also feel *such* tremendous pity for those poor children! As if she hadn't already made clear just how unspeakably callous & selfish she was, it's mind-blowing to know that she was selfish enough to *deliberately* bring multiple children into the world...despite knowing full well the harassment, public rage, media coverage, constant upheaval & confusion they'd have to endure! Selfish, selfish, selfish!! I only hope that those poor, innocent kids are treated with compassion by the media & public, and not saddled with their disgusting mother's crimes.

[@derinaries]

Shes deviant. Those types are depraved, hence her actions against her sister. Shes probably up for anything sexual.

[@jcre6663]

“You understand...you understand...you understand...” -no dude, we don’t.

[@amandap2650]

"I consider myself a King" and I was done watching.....

[@ClaytonBigsbee]

Unnastand

[@officialnotesonlifepodcast]

Lol right.

[@katfinlay6628]

U understand

[@JohnnyDogs1978]

So u dident un'stand?

[@katecarlisle8383]

King of the idiots on planet brainless in a galaxy far, far away. 😜👍

[@nicolasrose3968]

The psychiatrist in the Homolka case is an incompetent mess , he comes across as insecure and self doubting , he can hear himself saying she was "convincing" but his expression says : "I'm easy to convince aren't I"...

[@jasonprice5307]

Lol

[@proudnivan3037]

Well done Detective Sgt Jim Smith. Did an awesome job in nailing him right in this interview.

[@janrees4887]

Amazing how the interrogators stay so calm

[@thelords3394]

His children are in trouble

[@AnnaLVajda]

They are probably psychos too.

[@findingjoy2657]

They gotta stay pragmatic.

[@SoulHypnotic]

In the case of Holmoka its a prime example of the devil convincing the world he didnt exist.

[@maggiebrooks2550]

The thought of myself amongst "Lightning" Lee out in the free world is terrifying, & he makes me feel as if I'm reduced to nothing but his prey, without ever standing a chance.

[@yesterdayitrained]

There are people exactly like him out there RIGHT NOW. Just strangers in a crowd. Look out for yourself, always!

[@louisecampbell2628]

OMG!! I know. He's revolting. That interview with him gave me the creeps🙄

[@peanutbutterisfu]

Man Russell Williams got off easy only 25-life… in America he would have been given life with no parole or death sentence.

[@Golden_Girl7123]

Needs the death penalty

[@PPuffNstuff]

Canada doesn't have the death penalty

[@Golden_Girl7123]

@@PPuffNstuff well... they should

[@trenthogan4212]

They way it works here, he might as well been sentenced to 1000 years as he'll never see the light of day again.

[@quicklykay]

Russell Williams actually received two life sentences for the murders, plus two ten year sentences for the assaults, and one year for each of the 82 breaking & entering charges. He was also fined $8200 for each of the 82 offenses, but refused to pay, so it went to a collection agency. He’s eligible for parole in 25 years, as you stated, but is unlikely to be released; when asked if he thought he would reoffend, he said he couldn’t answer that.

[@sabinewren6588]

The detective that interviewed Russ is so good at what he does

[@Dunning.Kruger]

We hire these people to lead our corporations, governments, law enforcement...

[@thebaddog4104]

Right..then out comes Col. Williams swimsuit edition

[@vancouveropenbsd985]

And the Americans elected one of them to the highest office in the land and gave him the nuclear codes. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed.

[@beth-rg8bm]

And yet they aren't perfect but assho/e humans like the rest of us...unfortunatly...unlike the rest of us their off switch doesn't work!

[@blueclover9918]

@@vancouveropenbsd985 and the GOP knew he's criminally insane

[@AnnaLVajda]

Oh yeah well I heard a shrink tell Richard the Iceman he was a psycho and with fearlessness and emotional detachment he could have been a fighter pilot or cop or firefighter instead. Think lots of cops have to be to just shoot without remorse no one minds if they shoot an intruder or rapist but they often kill innocent people too and no consequrnces? Probably takes a psycho to catch one sometimes know how their mind works.

[@susanmunford1394]

Ugh,Sebastian is such a narcisistic monster. I can't stand to watch and listen to him. So pretentious and full of himself. Had to stop watching that creep.

[@TheDizzydee7]

HOW that monster only got twelve years is beyond me xxx

[@oncoucharrest5910]

TheDizzydee7 she was given a deal before most of the evidence was found, videotapes etc, very sad, deal with the devil!

[@cleanserene6330]

I understand the deal, because they had nothing until she came forward, but why couldn't she have been deemed a dangerous offender like bernardo was once she was in prison? All this could have been avoided if they had tested the Scarborough rapist DNA samples in a timely manner, they would have had paul then

[@emilykuntz1700]

I can’t listen to Lightning talk, “you understand?”

[@c_farther5208]

Homolka would have been in prison for life here in the U.S., unbelievable how these cops got so manipulated by a pretty girl. She is free and has kids, lives in Canada, unbelievable evil.

[@NxDoyle]

Every time I see Jim Smyth I marvel at his ability. He is not a perfect interrogator, such a person doesn't exist. But if you have studied interrogation techniques, you'll know that Smyth has largely eschewed elements of the Reid technique, which, while some consider it outmoded, is still relied upon by several agencies. Smyth never moved to phase three. He didn't have to. The physical evidence is damning. No escape from boot prints and tyre tracks. As soon as Williams saw the impression match, he knew his goose was cooked. And Smyth then uses a line straight from John Reid's text book: I'm sure you don't want the cold-blooded psychopath option. That's about as close to phase three of Reid as he gets.

[@NxDoyle]

robert sullivan​​ I'm not saying he's god. He did great work. No Reid technique at all. No flipping back and forth and long breaks. None of it. A foot impression is the best evidence, in your view? I'm also aware that Smyth has had some issues using the Reid technique. When he plays bad cop he can get a little sloppy, apparently. My comment related specifically to this interrogation.

[@carnage6715]

I marvel at fact no1 seems to understand the word lawyer

[@ashleyrose1763]

Yea but if he got an attorney he might of gotten off the tire tracks were from a verycommon brand and the boot prints could of been explained some other reason watch the youtube jim cant swim they break down this case (russel williams) interrogation tactics

[@jasonprice5307]

Can't Explain Away DNA 🙄@@ashleyrose1763

[@josi7955]

Lee may be a psychopath, but he's not terribly bright or interesting. He's not even a very good liar.

[@mkeogh76]

Agreed. He's too stupid, ignorant and mean to be interesting, but I guess the Fifth Estate wanted to "diversify" this lily-white line-up of Canada's most notorious sociopaths.

[@zammmerjammer]

+Josi Craig He wasn't trying to get into the interviewer's pants. That might be where his skills lie. He only killed women and children, note.

[@michellerenee5028]

Did he say he has a freaky dic*, but not a rapist!!

[@kellykirkpatrick5325]

I think that doctor got it wrong I don't believe this guy is a psychopath I believe he is a sociopath with narcissistic personality disorder big difference Now Russell Williams on the other hand that is a psychopath

[@as-nm7qj]

Wow , the detective questioning R. Williams is textbook perfect. The video should always be played in any criminology classes for futer law enforcers to learn.

[@bobshenix]

Rest assured it is...

[@emmymoreno4929]

Wow Karla is so calm when she's describing everything. That is so f***** up. How she can be out of jail is beyond me...

[@catherineannelockman3805]

She's a narcissistic psychopath...

[@Mike-dx1ul]

I went to high-school with Russell Williams (he was Russ Sovka at the time) and there was absolutely no hint of what he would do.

[@Mike-dx1ul]

@Lady Day Jerry Sovka was his step-dad. I assume he reverted back after his parents split up.

[@neige4221]

There usually isn’t. I often tell my three kids that labels are not on the forehead’s of people. You need to educate yourself in observing others and believe what you see when you see it, before trying to explain bad behaviour away.

[@tradeladder146]

There never is

[@ParadoxysPlayground]

Sgt Jim Smith did an amazing interrogation. He was completely polite and devastatingly effective. He broke the evidence one bit at a time, slowly building up the pressure while giving his subject time to reflect and assimilate all the ramifications. Absolutely masterful.

[@denaturner8871]

Russell Williams reminds me of my father in law, and it's really unnerving!

[@lunis471]

Try keep away from him as much as possible if your getting those vibes 😞

[@adenadrianamontreal2633]

Set him up see if he bites......

[@drewjohn8392]

Well, the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree so watch your husband.

[@heathercbc7287]

Every time you hear "ya'unnerstan " take a drink.

[@robinscarborough8272]

a person would drown !

[@drakecobb2472]

HeatherC BC I’d have alcohol poisoning 😂

[@ginb981]

Ha! 😜

[@joshb7300]

HeatherC BC what is this obsession with drinking games? Sounds like a huge problem to me

[@katybug6572]

josh B lOl o jeez

[@geneziogenezio3299]

31:31 ONLY 12 YEARS IN JAIL FOR KILLING 3 PEOPLE AND ONE OF THESE 3 YOUNG LADIES HER OWN SISTER...TOTAL MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE THAT THE SENTENCE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS...DISGUSTING!!!

[@marinadubois7347]

The Russel Williams interview is superb! I’ve watched more than once. Smith, the interviewer, appeared on the Behavior Panel ,KZbin channel.

[@madeleine8977]

These criminals are beyond redemption. I don't feel sorry for any of them.

[@acidheadzzz]

Why would you ever entertain the thought of feeling sorry for them?

[@susanmunford1394]

Amazing how red Russell Williams head/forehead became very flushed, red .

[@lexiaaforever437]

That interrogation with Russell gets me everytime 😂😂 He shakes his head at the evidence in disbelief 😂😂😂 Like come on.

[@ParadoxysPlayground]

The officer interviewing him was absolutely brilliant.

[@Golden_Girl7123]

Plausible deniability

[@anikajoy5739]

I am familiar with all of these cases, and the producer of this film is genius. They tell the stories perfectly while giving expert incite. Well done Fifth Estate

[@RoyalMetal9]

If the guy who cut off a persons head on a bus can be out free, then potentially anyone can eventually be released. That’s Canada.

[@DianaPrince777]

Yep.

[@jerradmechals1]

If you are new to police interrogations,do yourself a favor...do NOT watch Russell Williams be interviewed by Jim Smyth. Because once you do,no other interrogation will come anywhere close to it

[@dreasmom2789]

I think Lee keeps saying " ypu understand" to make a person belivev his b.s. con man is right. And its driving me crazy. Wish the interviewer wouls say NO I don't understand.

[@johnnyreed8537]

Russell Williams was an accomplished decorated military man who had so much going for him. It's so hard to fathom what turns a human being into a heartless monster...

[@Stiasteny]

The feeling of power.. And sexual gratification...

[@DoRight33]

A broken brain or broken child-rearing...

[@Hurricane0721]

The case of Colonel Russell Williams is the most disturbing case to me by far, because he was a highly ranked officer put in a position of authority and trust. For most people trust and respect for a high ranking officer is automatically implied. For him to commit such awful and depraved crimes was a slap in the face to all of Canada.

[@mamudgassama5688]

The case of Karla was the most disturbing bcos she was set free. At least Williams paid for his sin but that Psychopath Karla was allowed to even bare children

[@patreidcocolditzcastle632]

im still in awe of Jim smiths amazing interrogation technique of williams,Jim's the real hero in this story

[@redwingsfan3621]

Smythe but yeah

[@annonyousperson2607]

Totally disgusting but Jim Smith what an awesome job getting Russell Williams to confess to his crimes I think the American authorities should watch this interrogation and take notes. How many detectives can say that they were able to get somebody like Russell Williams to crack. Not many if any at all.

[@pragmatic7green]

annonyous person as a person who was beat threat etc into false confessions, falsely accused unjustly punished, etc i TOTALLY AGREE with you about the investigator, etc who questioned Williams Items etc: police investigation & investigator who caught & questioned Williams, polygraph, vulcan-mind-meld, DNA evidence, truth serum, & even "Mr. Big" seem like : improvement, big step forward, fairness freedom science, a lesson for us all.

[@mishelle140]

He was the interrogator of Holmolka as well. He's good, ya understand???

[@juliesprik9479]

Williams certainly left police with a lot of evidence,bootprints,tire tracks, DNA.

[@LusciousTwinkle]

@@juliesprik9479 Ikr? What an idiot!!! How long did he think he'd get away with leaving so much behind?

[@LusciousTwinkle]

@@mishelle140 He wasn't responsible for the deal.

[@sqwuishslay]

if he says “yaunderstand” one more time…

[@pennymcguire7052]

Right!?! 😬😬

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Right?! No, sir, NOBODY who's not a remorseless monster can possibly understand where you're coming from!!

[@carewser]

The most amazing thing about Karla Homolka was how she scored really low on the psychopathy checklist, Paul Bernardo on the other hand scored very high

[@americandiablo]

Karla probably lied on the psychopath test

[@carewser]

@@americandiablo While i've never done a test for psychopathy, I have done other psychological evaluations and they actually have trick questions in them so they can tell if you're lying and since psychopaths are notorious liars you can be assured it has similar if not better safeguards built in

[@nickykeightley1724]

An excellent documentary. Very interesting to watch, but so very difficult to understand the minds of these people. Thank you for this upload.

[@lesliesmith5797]

By releasing Karla, just shows how passive and stupid the Canadian 🤪justice 😂 system is. Let all the sociopaths free, like they did nothing wrong. They should NEVER be allowed out of prison or even considered for parole. Yes, the criminal justice system is a massive joke and disgusting 🤮

[@trenthogan4212]

Yeah, like the US justice system is great. I like how they sent OJ Simpson to jail for what should have been a slam-dunk murder case....please

[@mikep4823]

Karla now has 3 kids is married even did volunteer work at an elementary school. Lives her happy life west of Montreal having a great time. They made a deal with the devil. Im more disturbed at why would someone want to marry this monster.

[@Germania72]

Karla Homolka describing nonchalantly how Paul Bernardo strangled that poor girl and when she's in the scene of the crime she's dressed like a school girl and asks about "damaged furniture" at her home. Wth with this woman?! And that she felt something about the "poor girls" when she helped raping and killing her own sister? OMG!

[@napoleonsparis2058]

@Andrea Basaure...I think she is meticulously clever and was taking control and behaving as an equal by asking them questions as if some sort of property assessor. Never underestimate how wily most people are, even as children. Many of us have learned this the hard way.

[@jacobusbaker9285]

40:30 The judge tells that little guy he finds him genuinely remorseful?? wtf he just proclaimed his innocence!!

[@pi6913]

+The Great Imposter Great theory... Except that judge is American... those 2 murderers are in the States, they killed in Washington State.

[@MindReaderAudios]

21:00 I had to weep having daughters of my own thinking of the utter horror the parents went thru and still do. May God receive both these women in his arms and give the survivors mercy.

[@vancouveropenbsd985]

17:24 - the "Christian burial" speech. "Tell us where the body is so the family can give their daughter a proper Christian burial." One of the oldest tricks in the book.

[@derinaries]

Only if you care about that...

[@beth-rg8bm]

Her own sister...she should have gotten life with no parole...ever!

[@671oneblood]

Rumor has it... Russ' hairline is still fighting for its release

[@FrostRare]

“Innocent?... innocent is a very strong word...”

[@Connie-p8y]

Ya how's that?

[@markeywestskies6503]

Hormulka is super creepy...she has the proverbial smirking mirthless psychopathic stare.

[@karengarson5715]

Why is it that Paul Bernardo had the book thrown at him but Karla got off? This is a double standard. Go to any lengths to get the man put away while that witch went free to go on with her life and have children. That is not right. No justice there.

[@kerstinklenovsky239]

Shame on the Canadian system for adding insult to injury by letting Karla Homolka get off so lightly! 😭

[@sandysay1332]

and she out living like shes a queen with children n husband going to pta n football games and dancing .. just living it up.. this is crazy

[@tn9784]

Adding the original air date to the description would help people see the order of episodes. Just a suggestion :)

[@-MandM-Bros]

Lightening Lee thinks he’s gonna walk out? In 50 years, ya basic math says you won’t be alive in 50 years. Don’t give that idiot the time of day. Leave him in a cell to rot. Making him feel human by speaking to him at all. Literally lock the door throw away the key

[@shmoopiebear]

Those that let Homolka live free in society will continue to have blood on their hands

[@bobbypaluga4346]

The Fifth Estate is off the walls fantastic, addictive, extremely interesting, very well presented. It would be great if those on the south side of the border could catch CBC on a cable/satellite package. You're doing great work.

[@vancouveropenbsd985]

The Fifth Estate is what 60 Minutes should be - a full hour dedicated to a single topic. Unfortunately, Americans have the attention span of gnats, which explains why gridiron football (with plays lasting an average of ~11 seconds) is so popular down there.

[@face2158]

@@vancouveropenbsd985 I live in USA and I hate to tell ya buddy but we have Dateline and that is exactly the same as Fifth Estate .. Same investigative Journalism Documentary style.

[@face2158]

All you have to do is use a VPN and then you can access Canadian Television.

[@face2158]

@@vancouveropenbsd985 60 minutes isnt the same as Dateline or The fifth Estate

[@alwayslernin4400]

@@vancouveropenbsd985 I'm watching this on KZbin in America. I watched 60 minutes here too and wouldn't want either of them changed. Most people everywhere have access to both. Viva LA difference!

[@enca819]

Lightning Lee: oh I understand,my problem is do you understand???

[@anneleys4539]

She is no better than Myra Hindley..How on gods earth is she walking free!???

[@dodgingbullets3503]

🧐I will NEVER understand why Karla Holmolka is a free person...ever...She is a Monster/cold blooded and we allowed her to go free. Paul would have been convicted regardless, we didnt need KH to make a deal...Im sickened..

[@thomasdriscoll6846]

He says “u understand? a hundred times and he himself does not understand even the most basic things. U understand?