Hell to pay: Revisiting the Martensville satanic sex scandal (2003) - The Fifth Estate

[@cbcfifth]

The CBC podcast Uncover: Satanic Panic unpacks why fears of Satanism ran rampant across North America in the '80s and '90s, and overtook Martensville, Sask. Listen here: cbc.ca/uncover ^akd

[@blacksupra001]

thank you for keeping comments on

[@k8h991]

The Fifth Estate Yes! Was a great podcast story. Very well done.

[@q.t.gamingfamily]

It was a NIGHTMARE. I love to wear black but couldn't because I'd be deemed a satanist back then. Surrattsville high school class of 1989. Anyone else remember kids being punished for merely wearing black clothing. I thought it was only Maryland. I didn't know this satanic obsession was continent wide.

[@richardcassano7318]

@@q.t.gamingfamily wow u wearin black again ? I can't believe it.

[@q.t.gamingfamily]

@@richardcassano7318 You sound stupid. That minstrel mess is y'all thing. I don't "wear" black, I AM black. See that there? There's absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging that I have heavily melanated skin known as black despite it being a deep brown.

[@mariacupo4955]

Thank you Fifth Estate for leaving the comments on.

[@nancylovett2399]

It's so frustrating when I watch an episode and try to see peoples' comments - comments turned off. Many Fifth estate episodes and anything put out by Australian channels. "KZbin court" is the best part of this app. Lol

[@MotionPictureMuse]

@@nancylovett2399 Really? I think it's the worst. There's a reason the comment sections of KZbin have such a terrible reputation.

[@nancylovett2399]

@@MotionPictureMuse I guess I just enjoy seeing what others are thinking, whether they agree with my thoughts or I'm totally off, or if there are new updates to the situation, etc.

[@cheery-hex]

yes one of the few of these types of shows that do!

[@sergeantcrow]

Well said Maria... I was just about to say the same..

[@NfidelNet]

Stories like this reinforce the notion that you "Never talk to the police!" Doesn't matter if you are completely innocent. If you find yourself being questioned about anything, invoke your right to silence. If you are in a little room being asked innocuous questions by the authorities, request an attorney and don't say anything.

[@mellie4174]

Yes!

[@megamus3]

I agree completely,cops have egos that need feeding.

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

Exactly

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

Search up the video never talk to police

[@vikkicroft4789]

Preach baby..... come on!!! PREACH!!!! 📢 =LOUD AND PROUD BABY, LOUD AND PROUD!!!;

[@whitelodgetarot1614]

Teach your kids to tell you everything If they are babysat or they are in day care. There are wonderful daycares, I worked at them. Just teach your kids never be afraid to tell you".

[@adamnixon2886]

That is a really good idea. Sadly some child abusers spend a lot of time gaining the child's trust and the family's and then wickedly work to make the child feel 1, that they are culpable in the abuse and 2 that anyone finding out about the abuse is a very bad thing. Even children who had before been the type to tell their parents everything. Its call grooming, and it hurts kids as bad in not more then the physical abuse. Because of this manipulation any (boys especially) feel terrified their parents will find out, and go on to hide what happened long into adulthood.

[@adamnixon2886]

@@jjul2009 the way that guy interviewed those kids was seriously unprofessional. It should have been done by an experienced child therapist. Police are not qualified to do this kinda thing. Those videos are just crazy

[@sparx180]

White Lodge Tarot It wasn't that long ago that we never needed to talk to our kids about certain things. Now due to the flash media that is (sadly) we hear about these henious acts daily. Now everything is out in the open and exposes the sick side of society. It will never end we are just too far gone in this country

[@kimmyceeisme]

@@jjul2009 so so true about the leading/prompting! It’s so important to NOT lead the child. I made that mistake myself and was emotionally tortured for a month because I believed that my child had been abused. After a legal thorough investigation, turns out that my child wasn’t abused. But because of the questions I asked my child or how I worded those questions....I truly thought it was true. We have to be careful❤️

[@katherinesavarese6009]

So important. Great advice ♥️

[@stevenadams200]

The woman that called the daycare blew the whole case! Wiretaps and surveillance cameras could have been placed in that daycare and answered everything. For the sake of the truth, 2 weeks of surveillance could have brought out the truth or the lies of this case.

[@samanthaevans9823]

Yes but tat wud mean tat the children wud ov qd to fqce more qbuse n no child should ave to go through tat to put thm in tat predicament wud b wrong think ov how scared the children' wud b if thy had to sercome to tat wverydqy or everytime thy went there i mean there not adults like us n wot if the abusers jad gotten on to the servaliance it wud ov put thm in serious danger so im sorry but i dont agree with u on tat one

[@Bbknuckles]

@@samanthaevans9823 were you having a stroke typing that?

[@glenn6583]

@@samanthaevans9823 You are obviously deficient. Perhaps you have something to say. I doubt it though.

[@sharingyourexperiences5305]

@@Bbknuckles gosh I sure hope she doesn't have cerebral palsy or poor eye sight or any other plethora of disabilities that limit her ability to communicate her thoughts via text ... replies like yours will surely limit her confidence in trying ....

[@Bbknuckles]

@@sharingyourexperiences5305 lol I’m sure it’s not that deep.

[@motomitch9027]

Oh my God, this case is almost exactly like the McMarten Preschool case in California. Strange thing about the similar names, too.

[@voteZDLR]

That is weird. The worst one of these I've ever heard about to this day (granted I am not as familiar with the California case) is one that happened in Louisiana, the same one that True Detective is based on.

[@ailleananaithnid2566]

Moto Mitch I had the same thought! Kids aren’t stupid. They figure out that they get more & more attention as the stories get increasingly extreme. Anyone who believes that these small kids were “abused by an axe handle” doesn’t know the first thing about anatomy. Small kids would have had injuries such as anal tearing, fissures and the like. Bleeding for sure. Where were the corroborating injuries? This is my problem with using small kids as witnesses, especially to violent crime. Below a certain age, they don’t know fact from fantasy. People have been sentenced to long prison sentences thanks to small kids who were the sole witness. Later they recant their testimony, but only after innocent people have been in prison for years, sometimes decades. It takes a courageous person to admit they got it wrong to begin with, especially if someone’s been wrongly convicted. Not all people are that brave.

[@padmasalam5267]

Moto Mitch-- When will the wicked cease their troubling, and the weary be at rest? I almost cried when I watched that case in California, decades ago. My heart was broken for the accused, and innocent kids. I couldn’t believe how the law and some of the parents, patronized and created a pantomime. This was when my mistrust and disdain for the law amplified. Obviously, it was a witch hunt, and narcissistic behaviors, pride and prejudice got in the way. What a low-down-dirty shame. Oh dear! Sad state of affairs, really! So, so sad! 🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂Cheers and 🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺beers mates!

[@irisenamorado]

Same happed in to the owner of preschool in Massachusset. They accused the entire family of sexual abuse to many kids. Now these kids saying was a lie. Almost all of them went to prison. And the old lady get to very sick. She died already when police pronounced she was inocent!!

[@luciac9123]

I live in California and I remember when the McMartin case happened. Sounds very similar! This totally creeps me out.

[@amaz0nsmash]

It's obvious most commenters did NOT finish the entire video before commenting....

[@MsNoPixel]

That typically happens with most things, people are so quick to jump the gun.

[@stuppittyhed]

reading these comments is self harm

[@krpbdp]

What a tragedy. The police chief should be jailed, and yet he walks around avoiding the press. He, along with others, has destroyed so many lives.

[@sharonkaseweter8506]

From what is coming out these last FOUR years The Chief KNOWS what was being acted out and had an opportunity to make it stop!! I call for the TRUTH to be revealed in this case!! If my child had spoken these things out you better DEM well believe Id be ALL OVER IT!!! Youre about to find out that those in the BROTHERHOODS take secret pledges to SOMETHING evil that will secure their positions and keep the ol ball rollin...fasten your seatbelts kiddies

[@mathewwilliams4352]

Sadly it’s a far too familiar story with all law enforcement officers across all over North America

[@loop1479]

@@mathewwilliams4352 All over the world. Even super safe, clean, green, uncorruptible New Zealand

[@salvitoripopadillo4539]

Do you really think those little tiny children lied about what happened to them???

[@sbcc3415]

@@salvitoripopadillo4539 I don't children don't just come up with this type of stuff. A lot of people have a hard time believing things like this are possible.

[@billderinbaja3883]

One of the most important lessons to teach any child starting at about 12 years old: Always respect the Police... NEVER speak to them... get a lawyer.

[@THEDARTHWADERS]

Facts. Don't trust nobody period.

[@Nille0212]

Even younger! 8 and up...ask for a lawyer!

[@bobmiller7502]

@@THEDARTHWADERS It must b a sad lonely life WADE if u live like that brother,,never STOP Loving,,Bob&MrTao,xxx

[@billwilson5341]

@@bobmiller7502 WADE has it right.

[@chevelshepherdsuperfan8855]

This is just one of the reasons for cop's to have body cameras recording from the time they start to the end of shift.

[@elvirredzepovic6898]

And also to have every case where those cameras "mysteriously malfunction" thrown out of the court and award damages to the arrested.

[@shawndayvis6169]

@Jo Pearson ....ummm, it is now

[@nelsonkiiru7252]

Something all cops in the world should have especially in developing countries cause cop corruption is so rampant especially in such places.

[@TheAqChAmPsXD]

yea but it was the early 90s cameras were way too big

[@coryfiegel3294]

Cops can turn off body cams

[@surrayahsjewels]

This was an awful story....

[@bluegypsydoll]

Elaine Gill yes. It’s terrible!!!

[@AureliaLambrechthey]

Nothing is more damaging than being falsely accused of a crime against children. Although found innocent, these men's lives will never be the same...no real feeling of peace .

[@chrishollingworth548]

Bob Mitchell's apology is sincere. He sounds of a man with integrity. I wish more politicians were like him.

[@mosessupposes2571]

The RCMP has the reputation of being inept, and then attempting to stonewall questions. There is an amazing podcast called 13 Hours that outlines their activities around a mass killing in Nova Scotia last year.

[@jojojohnston1906]

They also have the reputation of racially abusing Natives and for corruption.

[@jameretief8327]

The Keystone Cops of the Great White North.

[@kaypea7905]

The BATTLEFORDs RCMP has been Gangstalking me and slowly poisoning me with pesticides and radiation. It’s a Freemason cop that started spreading rumours about me to random street people and whoever they interact with. They started a character assassination program on me. To isolate me from any form of support and to ruin my reputation. They fabricated criminal charges against me and then planned on killing me as they surrounded my girlfriends house. I called the newspaper to come and report the story. I did that so they couldn’t kill me and then place their fabricated version on the media. They put out a wanted add that they STILL use to ruin my reputation with, behind my back and everywhere I go!!! These rcmp Freemasons are paying my landlords (past and present) to put asbestos fibres in my apartment. I have a 13 year old son too!!! They refused to print an add declaring my exoneration afterwards. They provided intel from police databases to kkk members and Freemasons ( their very closely linked. The klan is a branch of Freemasonry) to create a psychological profile on me to begin their Gangstalking program. Which is an assassination program. I’m 35 and a single father on disability. Their trying to paint me black with their typical sex scandal bad publicity campaign. These are BATTLEFORDs RCMP!!! Their killing indigenous people and using their dealer contacts to send hits at me.

[@Matt-zp1jn]

Dudley Do-Right at least had a sincere heart, and is a “Sherlock Holmes” in comparison to the ineptitude of theRCMP of the north. 😮

[@lona689]

I have often wondered how the survivors of this horrendous miscarriage of justice were faring. What a disgrace!I now understand better how this could have happened. Thank you for your caring thoughtful coverage which should serve as a warning to us all.

[@wtrdawnlord]

You're absolutely right that it should, but it's obvious from some of the other comments here that people who would gladly burn the "witches" are still among us and will never be convinced they are wrong. Very disturbing.

[@wtrdawnlord]

@William Webber First, certainly children are abused. Sadly it happens all too often. Second, I wouldn't say it is *always* explained away. Certainly there have been cases where there was sexual abuse of a child or children involving some religious component. However, in every case of which I'm aware this wasn't done by some far reaching cabal of satanists but rather a single individual or family who used the religious element as a way to intimidate the victims to facilitate the sexual abuse rather than the abuse being an aspect of some religious ritual. Lastly, the reason the vast majority of "satanic ritual abuse" cases are explained away is exactly because there is no evidence. There are no cases of children showing the sort of injuries that are common in cases of sexual abuse, no sexually transmitted diseases in the victims. Only the very suspect testimony of children who only make incriminating statements after numerous occasions of inquiry. Then when they do make incriminating statements they are often obviously tainted by not only the manner of interrogation but also because the statements include such details as people flying (with or without brooms), having large knives inserted but with no injury (which would have to be grievous if actually committed) and so on. If you are inclined to say such outrageous accounts should still be taken seriously or that the claims must be genuine despite such claims, then there's no point discussing this with you any further. If not, then perhaps you are a reasonable person. Beyond that, I would be interested to know the exact event to which you have referred with your statement of children contracting herpes. If that was actually the case, assuming you mean the herpes STD as opposed to herpes that causes fever blisters or eyelid eruptions, then clearly something very wrong took place. However, to simply make an assertion completely without backing details is not evidence or proof of any sort. If you can and do provide the details that would allow someone to research the pertinent case that would be much more useful. If you don't respond with those details or refuse to provide them, particularly if combined with a statement along the lines of "you won't believe no matter what I say" then again there's no reason to take you or your opinion seriously.

[@TylerShacklefordDurden]

It never happened

[@abab-ml1ym]

The survivors meaning the kids right...

[@teddypendagrass491]

@@TylerShacklefordDurden if you lives there at the time you would know it did. sTFU

[@6996katmom]

This sounds like the Mc Martin trial in the U.S. They were found not guilty but their livelihood and reputation was ruined.

[@jenniferg6818]

Don't be alone with kids. Problem solved.

[@KMarr07]

I remember a case where they were prosecuting parents of a couple boys. The boys told lies and testified against their parents, why, because they were told if they told these stories they could go home with them. As adults they had to tell their parents how sorry they were. Yes, you can influence kids to lie.

[@abab-ml1ym]

And cops are capable of this evil too....

[@robinperini5226]

@@abab-ml1ym what r u saying? That cops are capable of lies or that these cops in this story were capable of C. M

[@davidfortier6976]

@@robinperini5226 Both statements are true, so it doesn't really matter, does it?

[@scottjohnson5687]

I saw something simular on a show called south park... The M word makes the adults disappear

[@kristenmartin3806]

You sure you don’t have any black robes in your closet?

[@garydomaz1849]

I confused this with the McMartin, CA child abuse case. Oddly, the exact same thing happened with the exact same outcome.

[@jomcmenamin4579]

Some parents in Bakersfield were jailed in fact as of last year some were still in jail. This happened in Nassau, NY, England and God only knows what other countries

[@dylanjwicklund92]

Yea me too lol

[@ggurks]

Similar cases happened in a lot of countries in those days. There was just that huge hysteria about child molestation and police back than didn't really know how to correctly interview the children, so not to give them some ideas in the first place. There were 2 very similar cases in Germany which took years to finally clear everyone accused. Ruined some lifes for sure

[@user-od8yh8xs9u]

which is why i dont understand how it could happen.

[@danthompson1m]

See my comment above. Child trafficking rings use this pattern to make it seem as if the problem can always be reduced to one lone “child molester.” Child trafficking is bigger than drugs, and Intel agencies are involved. Dutroux. Franklin. Pentagon. Pizzagate. Laura Silsby. Rotherham. Nancy Schaefer. Saville. Epstein. This is massive, and is used to compromise political operatives and opinion leaders. It is a tool of global government.

[@princessinmittens4783]

They should ask these kids now what happened. The would be adults now and would still remember all that. See what they can remember today.

[@gloriahenry6137]

Omg I just said that too !! 👍 let them speak and have a platform but they won’t be able to I’m sure

[@ladylyrichere9373]

the thing is, with implanted false memories, they could believe it happened.

[@iangrun9155]

something happened there ....

[@rickydawson9757]

Think how many people throughout history this has happened to. Think of those too slow mentally, too poor socially and too poor financially to defend themselves.

[@guapodesperado2822]

Indeed, and also think of all the sick, soulless, monsters that do the false accusing just to gain wealth, power, or promotion. How can those people live with themselves. I got so angry to see that that lady cop that started the whole attrocity is still employed as a cop. Atrocious, she, the chief, and the manipulative psychologists all should have served jail time. They ruined peoples lives. No justice.

[@andrewcurrie1373]

I couldn't help but think of the Salem witch trials. The scary thing about this case though was that it was in the 1990s.

[@gravityworks777]

@@andrewcurrie1373 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmnKiGRmos5gbq8

[@glenn6583]

The ugly, the odd, the unpopular and of course, every bodies favorite whipping boy is the poor!

[@psalmistdavy5626]

I knew a couple of the cops personally who were charged. They were completely devastated by this incident. I remember it very well and it was sickening how backwards and stupid the whole government and justice system in Sask. were about it. There was no mercy given to the accused and there is none from me given to the pathetic losers who destroyed lives by putting forward such garbage with the power of government behind them. Government has been weaponized and does more harm than any good.

[@robinperini5226]

Also the first woman how's child had a diaper rash should have been checked for using Drugs and/or mental health problems

[@Bigbounce23]

Yeah, right.

[@KiaPi2012]

​@@Bigbounce23I think there is no smoke without fire but the fire needs to be contained and confined to only the truth. These types of cases require sober minded officials interested in getting to the truth rather than in making their career through the suffering of children. One or two kids were abused, one or two people were guilty but the investigators got too ambitious and overzealous now everything looks like a fabrication.

[@kimmybee12]

I would like to see the children being interviewed today ..this is so sad for everyone involved

[@JaneDoe12573]

@@J0SHUAKANE I would rather them not. We need to hear what they remember, how they were cohersed to tell such stories. This would go a long way in helping people learn how to NOT treat people of alleged abuse, so as not to lead them into telling false stories. "Repressed memories' & 'multiple personality' nonsense is still believed to be real by many people. And this leads to many people being accused or charged with crimes that never happened.

[@maddy123sir]

you said it

[@incognito3599]

It probably did happen....But conducted by higher up elites....Why would the child be bleeding at the genitals , with diarrhea?

[@DaveGoliath10]

Spoiler alert: I’m so confused...the all of the kids made up the stories in their forensic interviews?? The leading questions were planted into their minds in a way that they could go into detail about what happened? Nothing was found at the Devils Church building?

[@gregGould]

Bingo!!

[@steveborne9821]

it never happened....Psychologist wasn't even certified and led the children

[@kirkrintoul328]

Correct. Leading questions posed to very young children in repeated interviews. In one US case the kids claimed they were taken up in a space ship and abused in outer space.

[@pjangels609]

@@kirkrintoul328 Which case was that?

[@robinhightower0007]

These 3-5 year old kids made these stories up?????? Huhhhhhh????

[@billybadtoes]

They should've filed a lawsuit against the police department and the chief of police

[@conniecrawford6429]

Absolutely, that would have been the first thing I would have done.

[@wtrdawnlord]

For what?! This was all just paranoia and fear, no different than the Salem Witch Trials a few hundred years ago

[@LloydChristmasAspen]

2003 looking like 1983. We're getting old folks

[@annemastomaki6513]

😂

[@me-pz5yi]

😅

[@Squeakslacombe]

yep and still this bs happens

[@stuppittyhed]

weeird comment to make dude

[@saltushachalmers]

Then I am a 🦖 🦕😂. I was 17 when this story happened.

[@Death_by_NOLA]

The questioning of the police officer was brutal and having your coworker put you through that is just terrible. Scary stuff man.

[@pjangels609]

Looks like he had multiple personalities.

[@kimjohnson8471]

The power of rumor combined with people's fears can be devastating to many lives.

[@May-May-Sue]

The power of the higher up in covering it up, turn the tables, isn’t it the world we live in? The victim is now the guilty while the guilty is now the victim. This is the sad reality of our disgusting planet

[@0ccultictrends]

@@May-May-Sueyou see what you want to see.

[@zombiasnow15]

I wasn't going to comment on this, but when children are sexually abused, they usually exhibit some form of symptoms..eg..withdrawn, anger, acting out..were any of the kids that were interviewed showing some signs? By the bit that was shown on the video..i would say no..but the parents or teachers would be the ones to notice. It just seems weird. Then they just basically close it down? I think there is more that was covered up.

[@ClaytonBigsbee]

Sondra Oppedisano it’s real and they covered it up

[@sarahjustice526]

Sondra Oppedisano I agree

[@MrsGump]

Not all children show signs n some that do can be so small that the parents don't notice. It's not until hindsight that the parents think "maybe that's why ....." I haven't watched the full episode yet (16 min in but I'm cruising comments for any extra info) but I'm not sure what yo think so far - did it happened n was a huge cover up, or it didn't n was a witch hunt by some coppers on a Satanist paranoia hunt. Tbh tho, this is the first time I've heard of this so I have no idea about other details etc that have come out over time. The whole " heavily armed Satanists on 2 buses" tho, you gotta admit that it is laughable! Have the children ever spoken out when they were adults etc?

[@MrsGump]

@aaronsdavis yeah I don't get the whole satanic cult thing, like has there ever been any that were proven to be real? It's like (mainly religious) people have this whole "it must be a satanic cult" paranoia thing going on, like seeing stuff that isn't really there but is clouded by their religion. do I make sense? I know what I mean LOL

[@Th3lite]

Agreed.

[@mellie4174]

I worry about the kids. The adults convinced them that they had been abused.even if they weren't, they were lead to believe it. So these children are traumatized without actually being assaulted. I worry for everyone involved.

[@stuppittyhed]

Believe survivors or become one

[@rickmatz4456]

This is why I am careful as to what I believe. Especially when the police get involved. Usually, those who judge people the most have their own skeletons in their closets.

[@miapdx503]

Yes, many who point fingers are just trying to keep scrutiny off themselves.

[@anthonydavis9382]

yup. it's always the loudest ones. reminds of the left constantly calling conservatives racist.

[@Endoscopic911]

Have the MOST skeletons - the MOST!

[@samanthaevans9823]

Very true

[@drats1279]

Guess that includes you and your judgemental statement about police and others who judge people.

[@MissFoxification]

This case was a major catalyst in changing the way police question children. The children only said what they thought the police wanted to hear. The police appeared unhappy when they didn't get the answer they wanted. They did exactly what children do. Now unfortunately some of these kids are going to have false memories for life. Unfortunately this is not the only instance of this happening but thankfully it's far less likely to happen nowadays.

[@Golden_Girl7123]

Its a very intricate questioning technique... its a method of hypnosis. Disarming.. deflection.

[@MissFoxification]

@@Golden_Girl7123 It would be interesting to see, it would have to be incredibly delicate.

[@pamelaadam9207]

It was the same on Shetland decades ago. A social worker involved pressed the kids until they agreed with her. Some of the young people are pretty much still affected.

[@frankbutcher2601]

@@pamelaadam9207 the RAINS list.....

[@jackiekent8720]

Farless ... no it's worse than it's ever been in our entire life poor babies my heart hurts.

[@jg1946ify]

"I'm hearing this for the first time" *touches nose*

[@lexiwexiwoo]

Just so sad that these people's lives were ruined and none of the people in charge are willing to admit they were wrong. Cases like this are why we've had so many changes to how courts & police are allowed to question kids and whether or not their testimony is able to be made in court. With kids that age, they're too malleable & will let the adults create the narrative and just go along with it. They may fight it at first, but that's just seen by the investigators as them being too scared to open up or thinking they'll get into trouble even though they never say that. To me, this is another reminder that the court of public opinion ALSO needs to be better. They'll remember someone was suspected but when it all comes out in the wash that not only were they innocent but they'd been railroaded, that needs to get as much of a signal boost and as much attention as the suspicion did. People tend to drop it once they're suspected, not following up, and end up running the lives of good people who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The only time I've seen the court is public opinion sway and then circle back was with Johnny Depp & Amber Heard. We all heard he was accused, we saw who the real abusive person was, and we said "we were wrong, don't take all this from Johnny Depp, take Aquaman from Amber and so help us God if we see her name in the cast we're not watching it." This case & virtually all the Satanic Panic cases were history repeating itself. There was the Salem Witch trials, the Red Scare, the Satanic Panic & now is the Qanon BS.

[@erinbrennanbroussard3366]

But what about the first child’s injuries that the mother saw that sparked this whole thing? Was that not true?

[@FreePalestineforever657]

Most children are molested by relatives. It's probably easier for a child to lie and a parent to cope that the truth.

[@tjanderson5892]

Who knows. Diaper rash possibly? Diarrhea? Could be a number of things. The case seems so shaky, but deal w/ kids makes it difficult.

[@anniem.8803]

Same thinking. And the now try to make us believe nothing happened, police officers are the "victims", kids made up the story, the house they searched contained everything the children described, but was cleaned up before they investigate. And they want us to believe they made it up? 5 years old kids describing horrible ways of being abused, and they want us to think they made up things they didn't even comprehend at such age. The system is corrupted obviously, and probably higher people were guilty, and those people were "untouchable". That's my thinking. This police chief smirking while explaining the case, just lies.

[@nickclanfield222]

Thank you @Annie M. I couldn’t have said it better myself. It’s disturbing seeing how many people believe this BS…

[@0ccultictrends]

@@anniem.8803not if those acts were suggested during the interview.

[@sally-annestrawberry4588]

My heart goes out to all those involved. As a victim of abuse I am fully aware of how this affects people and have a greater understanding and compassion for those who are wrongly accused.

[@johncarlisle2755]

I think that is big of you Sally Anne

[@saryarohit2925]

I am very sorry that happened to you 😔.

[@tink040370]

You are a really really nice and good person. Bless your heart.

[@juliepearce6667]

What an odd statement.. you were abused, but feel sorry for people who may be falsely accused.... 🤔 Hmmmm

[@juliepearce6667]

@@johncarlisle2755 I think it's a fake name and a false statement. In other words, what we now know as a troll. Someone paid to steer the conversation or sway it in a certain way.

[@h3llnite]

An entire community and its families completely upturned and devastated, by the lack of the police placing an experienced investigator on the case from the beginning. So many lives destroyed. The children, the children’s families, police officers and their families, the child care operators... just wow. Hundreds of lives impacted 😡😡😡 Jobs lost, homes lost, trust lost, authority abused, unnecessary trauma caused to so many individuals

[@mohammadtoficmohammad3594]

Luciferians control the justice system and the police

[@jenniferg6818]

Ifkt wasn't an issue, it wouldn't be an issue .

[@jesseluciano3183]

I couldn’t even imagine just being pulled in by police and being questioned about something so sick. Knowing I was innocent. They put these people on the front of every news paper and news station when they were being convicted. They should do it when there found innocent. Put it all over news let the judges and prosecutors tell the entire town know there innocent and apologize. To help clear these people of something so insane! What a freaking joke!

[@percyblakeney3743]

As far fetched as this may sound keep your receipts from every place you go. Receipts helped me prove my whereabouts when a postal worker stated she handed me a package at my house. Though my situation did not compare to the devastation these folks went through, the suggestion still applies.

[@meredithahern-tamilio4667]

Great advice!!💯🙏🏼

[@DrMackSplackem]

That is one of the more sensible comments I've read here so far, partly because it actually is relevant to the contents of the actual video itself and not merely its sensational title.

[@quickchris10]

@Charles Lee Ray OK, time to clean house, Mister Ray! Although no statute of limitations on murder, you're just freaking me out.

[@Hengry-hn7rb]

@Charles Lee Ray 😆😆😆

[@j.a.fligor97]

@David Rosenbaum What is wrong with ppl!! But once years ago I was pumping gas when a young female came up to me and said Hi Aunt so and so.. how's the family yada yada. I was flabbergasted! Evidently I must have resemblance to a relative... In a small town. I tried to interrupt to explain I was not her aunt. But she quickly left. Being quiet friendly. To this day she will insist to her aunt that I was Her...I imagine. They say we have a body double out there but in the same town? I moved away decades ago... Just saying.....

[@runawaylostmymind]

Love the 90s cable tv crime channel style of your narration etc

[@HookHandHank]

I feel like the majority of comments are from people who didn’t actually watch the video....🤔

[@ggurks]

So true. People just want to believe such stuff for whatever reason. I think it somehow goes hand in hand with conspiracy theories, it's a similar mechanism

[@shonk684]

@Cold Water lol so you just assume what happen by the title?

[@MarquisLeary34]

Likewise.

[@mrtoocranky56]

or have a brain

[@wvwoman3193]

I have told my children if an adult tells you to keep a secret you come tell me immediately. It worked but I was told my Christmas presents a couple of times, thank God that as all!

[@Peacelovegoodenergy]

This! ❤

[@humbertothebeliever2443]

This reminds me of a man working at a church supervising children at the church Daycare. Somehow he was accused of molesting one of the children based on the testimony of a five year old. Later on, after examining the interrogation and courtroom videos, they noticed how the child just went along with everything the prosecutors were saying and showing using dolls. The poor guy was demonized by the media and shunned by his community as a pedophile. He served 2 years and then released. It was concluded that the testimony of the child was unreliable.

[@user-ui5ue9oy1x]

do you know the name of this case?

[@Dwh1960]

😢

[@annalisavajda252]

Yeah but you have to wonder where some kids get that idea at all and some kids tell the truth and are just ignored too.

[@Comm0ut]

No adult man should interact with children outside of fully chaperoned and VIDEOED interaction. Day care centers have cams for good reasons. Wise men spend zero time alone with other people's kids.

[@robertclifton5795]

The officer that broke down and talked about being scared to even hold his daughters spoke the truth . I had a very simular experience . The girl was found to be lying ..... but the stigma of the lie is there ......

[@timothywmullen2945]

Thanks for Keeping the Comments on! Dahooo does not like Comments since it likes no counter voice! THANK U BIGTIME!

[@maryannanderson2213]

My dad used to tell the story of a drunk man who wandered into an old general store where a checker game went on pretty much all day long and he slurred, "I'm the best checker player in this place." No one said anything and the checker game went on. He then said, "I'm the best checker player in this entire town!" No one said anything and the checker game went on. He then said, "I'm the best checker player in the entire state!" One of the players stood up and knocked him down. He staggered to his feet and said, "You didn't hit me when I said I was the best player in this store and you didn't hit me when I said I was the best player in the town so why did you hit me when I said I was the best player in the entire state?" The man who hit him made another move on the board and without looking up said, "You covered too much territory." That is my opinion of the Martensville case. "One person touched me. Every adult in the house touched me. The adults used tools on me. Police officers were involved. We were bused to another location where the abuse could take place. We were to be used as sacrifices to Satan." Here's where they struck the snag. Evoking Satan was a nice touch but it covered too much territory!

[@glenn6583]

Maryann, I really admire your wit! And it is a good point through humor. Comedy speaks the truth sometimes! Thank you dear woman! Your father must have been a gem!

[@elsakristina2689]

Who else wonders how the kids in cases like this are doing now that they’re adults?

[@scubatuba1083]

They prolly all have multiple personality disorder and/or ptsd

[@Gonken88]

How much do you remember from your pre-school years 🙄

[@kciwner]

Almost everything.

[@msoda8516]

Sadly satanic panic was an epidemic in the 1980’s and 1990’s. Things like this give us insight to how the Salem witch trail most likely happened.

[@mitzicarpenter2820]

Exactly, same as Mcmartin preschool and The West Memphis 3 satanic panic was so bad in the 80s early 90s

[@glenn6583]

@@mitzicarpenter2820 And the 'O' conspiracy. It is still happening.

[@wt1370]

Admittedly I haven’t finished the video but so far it seems like a modern day Salem witch trial.

[@TheGrungy1]

It was

[@FukaiKokoro]

Religious insanity, this is a part of the reason why I despise organized religion.

[@wt1370]

@@FukaiKokoro IMO you’re painting with a broad brush, but you’re entitled to your own opinion

[@FukaiKokoro]

@@wt1370 I grew up in a highly religious family. So I’ve experienced a lot and seen a lot. I was nearly killed by someone who attended the same church. He was a doctor who refused care because his religious beliefs where violated by my supposed condition. I don’t really wanna go into all now but yeah. So that’s where my opinion comes from.

[@j7489]

Stop making up stories. No one believes your delusional testimony.

[@fmackey4966]

People seem to think that if someone isn't prosecuted by man's law that there's no justice. No one gets away with anything! The most high deal eternal justice!

[@Stacydsullivan]

In the US and just discovered this show, while deep diving Peter Nygard. Wow. These docs are amazing. Great work!!!!

[@Tsiri09]

"honey, here's a picture. Do you see a witch? Is there a witch? Point out the witch to me. Tell me what the witch did." No difference between here and salem

[@roselenalaferte1036]

It doesn't matter what a person is accused of or being labelled as.... it's for life even if they are innocent. Imagine all of the people who are innocent that were thrown in jail, can you imagine how they must feel about our justice system?

[@AdamFraserTv]

The question still remains how did these very young children put together such a horrible story ? It’s beyond me that it hasn’t been even questioned 😮 Not sure how to feel about this . Things don’t add up on either side .

[@line-katrinebjrnsdatterhal2305]

We've had similar situations in Norway too and it's devastating because it destroys their lives 😕😔😢 I think media should be more careful before writing stuff like this and exposing people before any evidence is clear... the rule: do to others what you want others to do to you, is my personal beliefs and I wish media o consider it too..🤔😔🙏🙏🙏

[@latitamontoya]

I don't think any amount of money will fix this injustice to everyone involve so sad.

[@incognito3599]

It probably did happen....But conducted by higher up elites....Why would the child be bleeding at the genitals , with diarrhea?

[@latitamontoya]

@@incognito3599 so sad

[@charitymenditto6489]

What about the children? They must've had to deal with confusing and traumatic memories that were falsely implanted.

[@ashleewhittlesey7874]

Very sad 😥

[@iangrun9155]

not for sure ..

[@62Cristoforo]

“Claudia Brydon, barely out of police college ....” There’s the beginning and end of this tragic story. It is SHE who should have gone to prison for ruining so many lives and bringing disrepute to the legal system, the courts and the rule of law in general.

[@iangrun9155]

something was there do not BS .

[@Bigbounce23]

WHAT? The only real cop involved? Yeah, you're one of them!!@

[@TobiasC-mg4zk]

Thank god almighty you’re not a police investigator, a judge or a child psychologist!

[@stuppittyhed]

OKAY PEDO

[@dflatt1783]

Unfortunately it's Canada. Even if they killed somebody they will be out on probation in 3 months.

[@TheAqChAmPsXD]

less most likely if they had good behavior

[@janetlucas2343]

@@TheAqChAmPsXD I know of 2 people in Northern Manitoba that killed people and only got house arrest.

[@kennethmotolenich9820]

What is it with Canadians and no punishment?

[@Reesy2002]

Popowitch was freed? They sadly failed the children. Makes your stomach turn!

[@mksabourinable]

Did any of y'all actually watch the video?? This was a result of the rampant Satanic Panic that was happening all over the _continent_ at the time. Due to leading questions, praising children for giving answers and responses they wanted, reinterviewing the kids over and over again, etc, etc. They got the witness testimony to say whatever tf they wanted it to!

[@mattimaranda9638]

7:00 "I'M GONNA BOP YOU ONE!!!" He said it twice. I wish more people still said that.

[@ianchambers6191]

"POP"

[@ianchambers6191]

@@teresadalessio1 hope to god you never hear it because he said "pop" and nowadays that usually means a bullet in the head or a fist in the mouth 👎

[@paxsmile]

I still say bop 😂

[@Vasonviper]

he said pop

[@Kyleap1000]

Dudes name was John popawitch too lol

[@orellagillette2484]

This was such a miscarriage of justice. So many innocent lives ruined.

[@NellieGCabo]

This is heartbreaking, considering the facts that many families/people's lives and livelihood were affected and destroyed. Unforgivable.

[@pamelazandarski5868]

So many lives changed because of a " Rumor " WOW !!!!

[@hamzaa.8082]

welcome to the west

[@dellahicks7231]

This episode is several years old now, I recommend the; 'Satanic Panic' podcast series done by the CBC. It is a 6 part series, that is from 2020, so a far better update.

[@dellahicks7231]

@@ifyouonlyk6556 Do you mean Conspiracy of Silence the docuseries on the Helen Betty Osborne murder?

[@Tailss1]

That crown should be brought up on abuse of process charges. Those people were railroaded, I hope they win their torts.

[@quappelle3637]

There's not much you can do about the Crown in Canada.

[@charlesstafford5261]

i went through universit to be a middle school math teacher. i ended up getting my masters. while going through training one day the professor said: ladies, find something to do. men, listen up. be careful. always vigilant. if you are ever accused it doesnt matter if you did it or not. youre done as a teacher. and you can find thousands of videos on youtube of students telling how to get your teacher fired. and it involves what you think it does. i was just reminded of this while an innocent person was interviewed on this video.

[@lifesrealitywithbeth166]

The Chief of Police Knows ..Is Accountable of the Crimes happened in his Watch ..Let us Protect our Kids ..

[@thedarkstranger963]

Will you protect your children from the entertainment industry?

[@saidufofanah2210]

@@thedarkstranger963 is her child in the entertainment industry?

[@thedarkstranger963]

@@saidufofanah2210 I'm referring to the effects the entertainment industry has on youth. Too many times I've seen children heavily influenced by music, music videos, movie characters and video games try to emulate what they've seen with disastrous results.

[@billybadtoes]

1.3 million wont give him his life back

[@hamzaa.8082]

exactly my thought! this is no money! it should've been at least 10 times more! AT LEAST!!

[@billybadtoes]

@@hamzaa.8082 even when he was cleared of it it will always hang over him

[@tilias61]

But the world overlook the abuse that happens in the Catholic church

[@NolomEbal44560]

How odd. Around the Martinsville case, in California McMartin Daycare had similar accusations from children.

[@vc7442]

Correct me if I’m wrong but the California daycare case they ended up saying it didn’t happen that it was all made up the abuse

[@NolomEbal44560]

@@vc7442 You are correct. There was a lot of evidence that proved otherwise. In all the high profile mass child abuse cases, the perpetrators always walk free.

[@gravityworks777]

Ted Gunderson, retired FBI agent, spoke about McMartin case and how underground tunnels had been filled in...the connections run deep, people you would never believe are involved in this sickness.

[@pearlware4388]

At the McMartin Presschool, when a parent would come early to pick up their child, the worker there would not let them go inside but would make them wait in an office. What were the workers hiding?

[@Ashes_Unto_Roses]

@@pearlware4388 don't forget the underground tunnels found there...

[@larissa.lifeofapregnantwid1243]

I’m born and raised in Saskatoon , and I literally just heard about this . Wtf , they hid this good

[@Spartisanhack]

No they didn't hid this at all. It was front page of every paper and on the nightly news. You may to young to remember but it was not covered up.

[@codybarry8204]

I grew up in Calgary, Alberta. Read papers of anything criminal like Bernardo and Holmolka. So i would remembered this. I don't recall this at all.

[@billhughes7927]

Probably because it was a total embarrassment and was shameful that they ruined people’s lives based on the testimony of coached kids barely old enough to speak and a stupid overzealous chief of police.

[@stuppittyhed]

@@billhughes7927 okay rapist

[@tedmccauley9319]

Where were you hiding…….it was huge.

[@ashleyedmonson2732]

Does this sound familiar to anyone else? Like doesn’t it sound a lot like what happened at that daycare in California?

[@DollySantana]

Happened here in evansville Indiana it was called the blue house the da and police didn’t believe them well about 2 months ago I was looking at a documentary about it and a retired cop was calling bs the kids now grown told them they went through it

[@hotfriedgriyoandpeeklees1522]

That's the thing....Once you are accused of something like this, even if you are found innocent the stain never washes off. The fear is demonic in nature. It eats at that innocent person. Ever watch the movie The Grudge? It's a spirit that grows and eats away at the soul. Especially for the police officer.

[@trinaedwards8182]

Kids don’t make up this kind of stuff

[@0ccultictrends]

Of course not. But unless suggested during the questioning as stated. Or are you a child psychologist?

[@tedmccauley9319]

Happens all the time, it takes a skilled, trained investigator to interview children.

[@adamrspears1981]

Reporter: "......satan, & the police are in it, too!" Sting: "What am I?....Chopped liver??"

[@markekar6021]

that first cop was probably the angriest canadian i have ever seen... "I oughta bop you one!"

[@Uber_mensch_1]

I guess you don't watch much hockey. 😝

[@rickjames7576]

Chief made the arrests to early because he knew it would go a long way towards getting the case thrown out. No, there is more to this than meets the eye. God save the children all over the world from the MONSTERS that pray on them. Amen. Maranatha

[@bunch_o_racket]

I'm not sure. Children are so impressionable and taught to trust adults. Being questioned like that and LED to believe that things did happen to them at such a young age will traumatize them just as much as if it actually DID happen. It all seems just to ridiculously over the top.

[@stonehorn4641]

It was ridiculously over the top. It was literal Malicious Prosecution, and was proven and declared so through proper investigation. The officers who interviewed the children should have been put in prison.

[@Gonken88]

Nah it won't traumatize them, it's all fun and games for them.

[@amywheeler3474]

Reminds me so much of the McMartin preschool case here in California. Eerily similar

[@MrTheotherbeave]

This was incredibly shocking. I had no idea Canadians used the F-word.

[@orbs1062]

😂

[@Negative.headspace]

You better fckn believe it lol

[@Lavishladwa]

They use it in every sentence brother..

[@laurelvanwilligen9787]

At least you were smart enough in Canada to handle this travesty relatively quickly and justly. Here in the US we had cases (like the McMartin Preschool case) that dragged on for years and in some cases resulted in people being in prison for decades. Just shameful.

[@janicescott7338]

Hard to believe people’s lives can be ruined over night by a witch hunt.

[@glenn6583]

I wish it was not so. Many people are rotten, and smiling!

[@elanteaster9349]

Believe it because it happens.

[@janicescott7338]

@@elanteaster9349 Yes it does and we have plenty of people it has happened to.

[@glenn6583]

@@elanteaster9349 I know this happens. Very unfortunately!

[@iangrun9155]

something was there .

[@richardwood1575]

No way a small child could be assaulted with an axe handle and not have horrific injuries.

[@aarondigby5054]

The small child doesn't have to be penetrated to be assaulted. Some people are so naive.

[@larsvonrinpoche1229]

@@aarondigby5054 the testimony was that the child had " the handle of an ax shoved up his bottom ". That's penatration.

[@iangrun9155]

something happened there but not to such extent

[@incognito3599]

It probably did happen....But conducted by higher up elites....Why would the child be bleeding at the genitals , with diarrhea?

[@MegaTrueTalk]

Interview the victim now and see what they remember.

[@carpediem2445]

Rob MK Mega TrueTalk They remember it all, trust me.

[@amaz0nsmash]

They did

[@2degucitas]

@@amaz0nsmash And?

[@MotionPictureMuse]

@@carpediem2445 Actually, several have come forward and shared how their parents and investigators coerced them.

[@billybadtoes]

Like he said just as soon as the words child abuse is leveled at u ur life is over

[@j.h.6081]

As a survivor, cases like this collapsing and kids not being believed really makes me mad. The two year old girl wasn't coerced at all by her mother and was obviously telling the truth. The chafing around her genitals and being poked at by a "pink rope." I hope whoever did that to her was charged.

[@Si74l0rd]

I would guess that the young offender and/or son were responsible for that instance, as there must have been more evidence for those two cases of the 170 charges brought. It's the witch hunt afterwards that was the problem here. I'd be interested to see a Jim Can't Swim video with the interrogations of the police and other adults. The one that we see proclaims his innocence in his body language and reactions. I'm not saying there was no child abuse at all, but it doesn't seem to have been as widespread as it first appeared.

[@sarat.9544]

Did you even watch the video? Travis Sterling, the son, was arrested and charged for that.

[@willdazey7368]

26:05 Holy crap that guy is blinking so much he's either being held hostage, is having a stroke, or lying through his teeth.

[@clifton669]

I mean, we can help end this by simply stop giving law enforcement the benefit of the doubt. Ask to see proof and lies usually fall apart

[@queenofthebutterflies5212]

How traumatic for the kids.... People who work in high places, with high amounts of power, attract weird personality types.

[@OrangeySky11]

The one kid who said an ax handle was shoved up his bum would likely have needed emergency surgery for a perforated bowel! Didn’t have it though, I assume, or I’m sure it would have been played up. People running day care centers, you’re playing with fire! I’m never baby sitting again for anyone!

[@wolverinebear5357]

Please dont

[@reneemechelle442]

Right

[@rsmith4339]

I was amazed as i watched this . I'de forgotten about the satanist hysteria of this era . This very case did a lot to dispel that hysteria . Then it struck me how media and society today seem stuck in a permenant cycle of illogical outrage , and I have to wonder if it will seem as foolish in the future .

[@DorothyGTyas]

*Regardless of the truth behind this dreadful case, we know that these monstrous transgressions against children DO occur at all levels of society!* ✴

[@janettecoleman1714]

Sure do. I thought I had a normal family until I was old enough to know different🤮🤬

[@scottcantdance804]

Recently released FBI documents detail a group known as the "Finder's Cult", or the "Finder's Keepers", or the "Finders of Lost Children". The investigating FBI agents stated that they believed them to be a CIA front group operating for the purposes of a honey trap, trafficking children. An underground school in Washington DC where the children were kept was discovered, along with animal sacrifices and satanic symbols everywhere. Members were busted moving a group of children across the country. Documents were seized detailing various methods used to obtain children. Much of the documents are still redacted, but someone put a stop to the investigation. Someone in FBI counterintelligence, the documents seem to indicate. They are available as PDFs from the FBI website and there have been numerous articles written about them the past several months. And yet, the media and Hollywood go to great lengths to ridicule the idea that this actually happens, coming up with catch phrases like "satanic panic" that are designed to immediately discredit the idea in the mind of the reader/listener. And yet it plainly still happens. People said it was a conspiracy theory that there could be a left wing sex trafficking network exploiting teenagers and children, work connections to powerful politicians, bankers, businessmen, media moguls, and intelligence agencies like MI6, the CIA, but especially Mossad. But then Epstein was arrested... again.

[@kevinhagarman3791]

JESUS WARNED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THOSE TO HARM THE LITTLE ONES... JESUS WILL RETURN SOON

[@scottcantdance804]

@@kevinhagarman3791 "It is better that they should have a millstone tied around their neck and be cast into the sea, than to cause one of these little ones to stumble."

[@janettecoleman1714]

@@scottcantdance804 again😈

[@bryanrussell6679]

It's scary how dangerous the police and the legal system can be against innocent people. A very similar thing happened to the McMartin family in California, and also the West Memphis 3. Edit: Their willingness to act like they did nothing wrong is just as troubling, but not surprising.

[@youtubernaz1scensoredbythe201]

I believe that first cop getting questioned was telling the truth. That is how an innocent person is supposed to act. His body language said he was innocent. But then again, a cop would know the tricks to tell when someone is telling the truth.

[@joelsommer5765]

Yes, that's true, innocent people who are accused of sexually abusing a child is going to feel anger cause that is the most heinous thing you can do and if you really didn't do it, you are going to be absolutely mad to be blamed for that.

[@ElbowEddie]

I agree 1st cop looked innocent. Some others display dubious body language later on though.

[@MM-sy1sx]

To me the worse part of all this is these adults put false memories in these childrens minds. Telling them they were molested when they weren't. This was/is disgusting.

[@iangrun9155]

no- today 100 s ppl are going to prison monthly for phedopilia , and u can watch it on net . that were beginnings , something happened there .

[@louisgrassimedium]

This was SUCH a well-made documentary. Of course it's one of the archived specials too; all of the new stuff, especially here in America is terrible and politically motivated.... I prefer stuff from the late '80s, '90s, or the early 2000's at the most recent....

[@Mastanigel]

The prosecuters are in on it. Thats why the cops felt comfortable.

[@MaharlikaAWA]

How did they get your pants pulled down? Child: They made us pull them down Cop guy: VERY GOOD! I'm impressed with ya!

[@anniem.8803]

If I was the lady I wouldn't have called the babysitter to know if it's true. Come on, you truly believe she'll tell the truth? All she did is tell them the police was on their tracks, and it could have end up the guilty people running away before police finish the investigation.

[@billwilson5341]

Exactly. She's a moron.

[@lightgiver7311]

Just a logical question - would there not have been physical evidence on some of the children?????

[@margaretr5701]

The mother who first charged the daycare, said her child had marks.

[@incognito3599]

It probably did happen....But conducted by higher up elites....Why would the child be bleeding at the genitals , with diarrhea?

[@russwilliams291]

A very similar story happened in Utah County, Utah, USA. After all the investigations were complete, it was traced back to a therapist who prompted false memories in children.