The Unseen Realm Q&A with Dr. Michael S. Heiser and Dr. Ben Witherington III

Question and answer session with Mike Heiser and Ben Witherington III about The Unseen Realm, with Reuben Evans as the interviewer.
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[@franksmith6871]

So sad to hear of Dr. Heiser's passing from Pancreatic cancer on February 20, 2023 at age 60. A great victory for him personally, but a great loss for those who seek to understand the scriptures by attending to teachings of people like Dr. Heiser. I'm confident that he has heard the words from his Creator, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant ... enter thou into the joy of thy lord."

[@Notwoke7]

Amen

[@ellengarrett5396]

I so agree with you, Frank Smith. What a wealth of information Dr. Heiser left behind for us, who have a true thirst for knowledge!

[@heavensplan]

We must understand that many our losing what Jesus actually said and is saying to us. Because we are being taught by Ministers that don't truly understand the Word. But our taught by men or woman that don't understand.

[@deanabrahams9480]

Sad to hear that, didnt know But his in a better place. 👆🏻

[@palanthis]

Mike tended to prefer ESV. So., he probably heard, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master." Sorry... a little translation humor. It was probably in Hebrew, as God knows that Mike speaks it.

[@rogerjamin1860]

This discussion just shows that the more a person know, the more he is aware that there is much more to know.

[@skipdegraff6547]

boy that is the truth right there. fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom but realizing how little we know is a road sign... VERY HUMBLING which creates the thirst for living waters

[@donatzerodayslife]

I believe we’ll be discovering the layers of the bible, like layers of an onion, forever. God gets more awesome as we learn more.

[@ChaplainDeanna]

That is exactly what I thought when I graduated from Fuller Theological Seminary. Was too busy with ministry to get my doctorate then but now that I’m 75 and stuck at home with rheumatoid disease, I wish I could find a program where I could pursue that degree at home.

[@lesliecogan641]

Not to Gen Z kids. They're on a road to disaster, for wanting to be right without knowledge.

[@danawelch3985]

AMEN.

[@simplyafederalist]

"Text without context is just pretext for what ever you want it to mean." That is such a great quote and be taught to every new disciple of Jesus.

[@Godisgood13208]

These guys are false teachers

[@notme9816]

@@Godisgood13208 And by that you mean?

[@angeliqueappeerance]

My pastor used to say "Text without context is Kotex" 😂

[@notme9816]

@@Godisgood13208 This seems to be a trope of yours, yet you give no clear explenation?

[@ghostgate82]

@@Godisgood13208 Without detailed elaboration, you’re just embarrassing yourself.

[@abimaeldiazakaPicoDee]

RIP Dr Heiser.. Brilliant man of God.

[@liveuser8527]

He isn't dead

[@valerieminster1626]

Alive in CHRIST.

[@robbiecleighmarks3088]

His mind is probably blown in Heaven ❤️

[@seishoaniki]

"We will be conformed to the image of His Son. So we are going to become what we love and admire." Amen, thank you Jesus.

[@kelleysullivan5336]

I could listen to these 2 men all day and not get bored. Amazing interview!

[@glitchyrhythm6749]

@@warriorgp4640 What a weird question

[@ddmound]

Yawn!

[@victorcontreras9725]

i want to invite them to my thanksgiving Dinner.😁

[@normalutz1618]

I so agree.

[@jackiestowe6987]

Me to, so much to learn from them. Michael Heiser will be missed. He was a brilliant man of G-d.

[@gracegeek4678]

Absolutely love these two men. I miss Dr. Heiser.

[@katlehomahlophe6513]

I love these two scholars they are faithful to the bible. Praise God.

[@sunnyday518]

Thank you so much!! This was absolutely the best scholarly Bible discussion on the unseen realm I have ever listened to!! I did not have the blessing to work and earn educational Bible credentials. I have been graced with many glimpses behind God's Veil during my 68 years.

[@eggydrums]

The ethos of scholars like Heiser has truly been a blessing to the church at large. Not only are laypeople able to grasp material that was previously inaccesible, they’re being given the tools to continue learning themselves. Dr. Witherington’s statement near the beginning about pastors just “winging it” when it comes to preaching really highlights what I mean. There are no more excuses to not take the Scriptures seriously. The Spirit absolutely empowers us, but even the biblical writers knew their texts inside and out!

[@normalutz1618]

Agree.

[@alanalynn2023]

Mike looks wonderful. Praise God

[@louisianaprepper]

I agree! Let’s keep praying for continued healing, health and stamina!

[@thestraightroad305]

I think this was recorded before Mikes illness, while he was still at Faithlife. I agree, keep praying for that healing. On the latest NB podcast Sunday, he says he is finished with radiation and now waiting for a second MRI in a few weeks.

[@alanalynn2023]

Thanks for that info

[@thestraightroad305]

@@alanalynn2023 You are very welcome. He has shown amazing endurance and perseverance. I’m so thankful the Lord is helping him battle on.

[@mariwillalwaysgivethanks]

In my life, I've seen supernatural occurrences that just can't be explained...but, for one of them, I was spared and allowed to live to spare another's suffering. God's love is so holy and pure!💞🙏

[@Panhorst]

Love theses. I sure do miss Dr. Heiser. His work has increased my faith and helped me understand the Bible. Thank you for uploading this.

[@davidskenyanmemoirs2756]

Great interview. Entertained also by Dr Ben's foot that seemed to have a life of its own.

[@Jordan18561]

Haha

[@davidskenyanmemoirs2756]

Yes! 🤣🤣🤣. I thought that too.

[@RUT812]

😂

[@lg9373]

Lol, yes… sign of an active mind!

[@davidskenyanmemoirs2756]

@@lg9373 very active mind!

[@lisas4163]

Excellent discussion! What a profound loss we have suffered with the calling home of Dr. Heiser, but Heaven must surely be rejoicing! I’m so thankful that Dr. Heiser put his thoughts and research down in books and videos that we and generations to come can continue to learn from. Dr. Heiser’s work really awakened by desire to study God’s word, including the Old Testament which always had seemed inapplicable to today’s world. Thanks be to God for Dr. Heiser and his work. ☺️

[@piglo318]

Dr. Ben's last statement was bliss. No better way to explain Gods love

[@kevingee5035]

My brother went to Asbury Seminary in the '90s. He is a lieutenant colonel chaplain in the army serving in Korea. He spoke very highly of all the professors there! Dr. Heiser has done a great job explaining Psalms 82, the Divine Council and how to understand the Bible through the culture of antiquity.

[@baltichammer6162]

Recently Bryan Melvin mentioned he saw the Divine Council in action during his Heaven "visit". Almost 40 years later he's introduced to Heiser's work and now he knows the name of what he saw. Dean Braxton got an even longer, more detailed look at how much happens simultaneously with heavenly beings interacting with the human level. I've told people many times I should've been dead dozens of times and that's just from stuff I'm aware of. That I'm here is testimony to Divine Intervention many times, probably countless times.

[@joanmavima5423]

Asbury Seminary had a profound revival in the 1970s. My dear pastor was a graduate. The fires that were lit there have produced fruit even to this moment.

[@bibleenglish.]

The question remains, however: do you understand the Bible? Are you worshipping the anti-christ or Christ? How do you know? If you know, then who is the anti-christ? I'll wait, but I bet that you do not know who the anti-christ is so that you do not know whether you worship him or not.

[@baltichammer6162]

@@bibleenglish. Why are you asking? The Apostle John lays out quite clearly the definition of anti-Christ and their characteristics.

[@truthbebold4009]

​@@bibleenglish. Every Protestant Reformer knew who the AC was

[@mayzuno4969]

Glory to God for Dr. Heiser health! He looks amazing and healthy.. I keep praying his body is healed from cancer.

[@joanmavima5423]

Amen. Praise and thank you Jesus for every day of life for Dr Heiser

[@OnTheThirdDay]

I saw him on the awking school of theology and he looked terrible.

[@crypto-theology]

This is not a new recording. Mike finished radiation about a week ago and he is still looking pretty bad. We should all keep praying for him

[@heisenbergkierkegaard3982]

It's not original from him though.

[@crypto-theology]

@@heisenbergkierkegaard3982 it's probably from when he was a scholar in residence with Logos. Great interview though.

[@orzot]

Excellent explanation of what a scholar does and why it is essential! Most people in the pews have no clue what scholars do and why it is important. Today on KZbin the average person has direct access to the most brilliant minds and scholarly work ever available. This is the key to re-vangelizing the "dones" who left church due to shallow doctrine and petty leadership.

[@michaela.kelley7823]

Or for petty reasons of there own

[@orzot]

@@michaela.kelley7823 That happens too I suppose. Josh Packard in his well-researched book "Rise of The Dones" builds a compelling profile of the mass exodus of highly-engaged, mature, active church members who keep their faith, but reject organized religion with petty church leadership. It is these folks, The Dones, who would benefit by deeper theological teachings beyond what their former unhealthy local McChurch had to offer.

[@curiousme113]

Many churches are becoming "Entertainment doctrine" People don't wanna hear it face the truth so they turn away from churches that don't offer a "fun" and light hearted message

[@TradMommy]

What seminary school did Jesus attend? The disciples? There wasn’t a bible at that time. Yes they had Torah (first 5 OT books) but without a true calling, all of the schooling in the world ain’t connect them to others.

[@GuantanamoBayBarbie3]

​@@TradMommy They had more than just the Torah They also had the Nevi'im & the Kituvim that made up the rest of what we call the old testament, & they call the Tanakh.

[@JulieJewelzKvasnicka]

RIP Dr Heiser, always love your teachings.

[@phillo1818]

This is one of the best interviews I’ve listened to in a long while. Let the scripture interpret itself without adding hyper emotionalism into every chapter and book. Emotions have their place to be sure but, there is a sorrowful lack of balance when it comes to this particular discipline. It would be awesome to have both scholars do an in-depth study of scriptures. Each from their own areas of expertise with examples of each covenant backing the other and perhaps with extra biblical texts thrown into the mix. Geek us out please!

[@treytucker5619]

My wife walked in with a sandwich and I forgot what I was writing 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@dfkuz]

I have learned something so galvanizing from the KZbin channel, “Are You Muddy?” It’s a channel devoted to disproving Mid Acts Dispensationalism but Rick Aden teaches some crucial truths regarding this present age!

[@MM-oc5ox]

Very deep teaching! Praise God I am on the winning side!

[@childofgod2758]

If u believe Jesus died for us and have accepted Him as ur savior u ARE on the winning side. We r saved by grace thru faith not works( performance) lest anyone should boast. Not performance based. We cannot put God in our debt thinking we must perform to be on the “ winning side” . That we must do this or that to be accepted by God. I lived under condemnation for many years thinking I had to DO more be better in order for God to love and accept me. I was so wrong the gospel is TRUE!! He loves His family. We r saved by grace thru faith not works.Blessings to u. Heiser has a short book and message on u tube” What God Wants” He so eloquently explains “ the gospel” much better and so does scripture.. Romans 5:8 .

[@normalutz1618]

Honestly, you guys have answered questions for me I didn't know I had. I appreciate your years of study that have equipped you to bring truth and understanding to the body of Christ!

[@franklix]

I am so happy to see Dr. Heiser. I’m just an avid reader of his books….So amazing and fascinating, it opened up my mind to so many mysterious realms happening in the Bible. I want him to be with us for many many many years☺️

[@RealCaptainAwesome]

Same. I found him via Ancient Aliens Debunked then got my mind blown with Psalm 82 and providentially we had one of our church's college students preach against prosperity teaching and showed a clip of one using Psalm 82 to say we are divine. It was crazy because I realized that was the only time that psalm had been mentioned at any church I have ever been to.

[@normalutz1618]

Me too. Pray for him. He has a curable ""C" and will be going through rigid treatments.

[@katsheetz]

@@normalutz1618 sadly he has left this world.

[@GuantanamoBayBarbie3]

Unfortunately for us (but good for him), Mike passed away almost a couple wks ago from pancreatic cancer.

[@sharonf9012]

So very good. Glad to see Michael Heiser! Continued prayers for him. Glad to meet Ben Witherington. Both have great insights and revelations to hear!

[@kathyjames9250]

Thanks for this. My shortcut to understanding the Bible has been: listening to the Bible expository teaching by Messianic Believers who know Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, and who understand the original and current Jewish perspectives/idioms, as well as Jewish history. Also, those who study/translate the scripture of the Dead Sea Scrolls have revealed wonderful things. My eyes have been opened and my understanding corrected on several issues, and I have connected the dots between the Old and New Testaments! Praise the Lord that He has increased knowledge in these days, so the cookies are on the bottom shelf for people like me. I am so very thankful.

[@bibleenglish.]

News Flash: You will never understand the Bible unless the Lord opens it up to you for understanding. Most so-called believers worship the anti-christ and do not know it. They believe, incorrectly, that they are saved. Let me ask you: if you worship the anti-christ believing that he is Christ, are you saved? Do you worship the anti-christ? Your automatic response will be "no," but what is the truth? I guess that you may have to wait until it is all over to tell. One thing I can tell you for certain: most believers are going to hell. Y'all fail to recognize the level of deception employed by the devil, such that only the elect will not be deceived. Most are deceived and worship the anti-christ and reject Christ. Are you one of them?

[@kathyjames9250]

@@bibleenglish. Thank you for that report! I agree that many are deceived. Also that the Holy Spirit reveals meaning. I was called out of a charismatic non-denominational church, about 14 years ago, by a strong inner voice/thought saying that “something is really wrong here!” The Lord has been kind to me and I have learned a lot of Biblical truth, much of it correcting many common fallacies in the mainstream evangelical church. I suppose that most Believers have some deception, so thank the Lord for mercy and forgiveness. In my experience, very few people are looking to be enlightened with my vast wisdom, but my main hope is that I be given stronger faith, a heart of selfless love/compassion, joy and the wisdom to use His methods against depression, sadness and helplessness. One of the main things I have learned is that life is no walk in the park (!!) but trains us to be better.

[@DocLarsen44]

I really loved this discussion; I think even more than the Unseen Realm video. Thank you all for presenting this. Michael Heiser has mean so much to my Christian walk and understanding of the Bible. I cannot express how much respect I have for him. GOD bless you Sir!

[@IntuitiveEnergiesOffical]

I found this extremely enlightening. I can listen to you guys talk all day. Thank you thank you God bless.

[@user-pd5jg4gl4x]

Thank you so much for broadening my spiritual horizons and bringing me to a deeper understanding of my faith in Yeshua Messiah! I've absolutely feel the Love of God emanating from both of these two gentlemen. I can see that you truely love our LORD!! Thank you for teaching us.

[@cwschindler6885]

PHENOMENAL points of wisdom made here!! Loved this whole interview from start to finish!!

[@selahr.]

Thank you for releasing this. I bought digital streaming version of The Unseen Realm video and this wasn’t included. It’s great to be able to view both free now.

[@logosbiblesoftware]

We are glad you're enjoying it!

[@kimthetruthofit6965]

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[@reginahay5211]

What a great discussion. Dr Ben gets so excited he just cannot stop himself. I'd love to sit in a room with them in person.

[@adamduarte895]

Realized that too, he gets so passionate

[@jpb5385]

This is wonderful! Both of these scholars are amazing men! Praise Jesus!

[@briancasserly9313]

Thank you Gentleman. Much appreciated. Hope to see more, diving into the Unseen Realm.

[@vondahartsock-oneil3343]

RIP Dr. Michael Heiser. That man turned my life around. I finally understand my Bible and the world around me much better, and have answers to my questions, that my own pastor told me "not to worry about, we're not concerned with that". I left that church. What kind of pastor says that? I digress. I'm sure he meant well, and perhaps he didn't have the answer either. GOD BLESS.

[@donp1088]

This conversation has absolutely been the most beneficial and profound learning experience I’ve been blessed by since the Gospel was first shared with me many decades ago, and I was born again. Thank you to all involved, especially Abba.✝️🥰

[@Kim-Dalton]

This was a fantastic discussion between these two gentlemen. This was my first time watching a video with Dr. Ben and I will have to search on KZbin and find more videos with him. He has a lot of Biblical knowledge and he's a great storyteller. I have (almost) all of Dr. Heiser's books and I've learned so much from him. I can't wait to meet him in Heaven one day. Thank you for sharing this video.

[@lion4life954]

Really appreciate Micheal and Ben , amazing scholars ! Thanks so much for your diligence

[@melissaschubert1653]

Amazing!! Jesus is just so wonderful❤❤❤❤❤

[@naturalmax8474]

my knowledge of God,Christ and the Holy Scriptures are increased thanks to these 2 men...and Dr.Heiser so humble NOT to use this as a platform for his illness.God bless and pray for him!!!!!

[@mariannacarbajal9644]

Thank you SO much for your contribution. My respect for both scholars!

[@tarap6147]

Very much enjoyed this! Great interview. Thank you!

[@MariaSantana-ul5wd]

Amen. You can't let your past (or self perception) get in the way of God's love for you. Praise His Holy Name.

[@airpollotoledo]

What an amazing conversation. In Jesus name.

[@richardcajones]

This is an awesome, in-depth but clear interview. Thank you for sharing

[@nazarenehebrewassembly8325]

This was amazing! I needed this more than anything I can imagine or think of regarding my walk in Christ, bless you all for your work.

[@newcreationcoachingllc6491]

Thank you for posting these videos on KZbin. What a blessing!

[@rep3e4]

I could listen to this many times over

[@frankyzomboy1694]

Thanks for your hard work, listening to you strengthens. My soul for God

[@shantelledupreez750]

Thank you, all

[@ErikSvansbo]

This is just fantastic. So much knowledgde. Thank you!

[@JJ-jh8sh]

such a wonderful sit down

[@WadeWeigle]

An excellent Q&A session. Thank you kindly for sharing this.

[@ollark]

Great conversation sirs. Appreciate.

[@joypurdy4692]

Love his TEACHING

[@WildAntics13]

Love this ♥️♥️♥️May the Lord protect us all

[@3r2w1c]

I love these guys. Where have you been all my life. Looking for his book now. What a blessing to those who walk the strait and narrow!

[@tkelly830]

Great interview. Wonderful questions, very glad I came across this. Thank you

[@jimvega842]

Thank you for such an insightful video. Both scholars are great men of God and the interpretation of Scripture. Awesome way to tap two different views on the unseen realm. Shamefully a subject rarely taught or discussed.

[@derrickfengerarchives6915]

“We’re going to become what we love and admire. That’s fantastic.” What good news for anyone who has honestly come to terms with who they are.

[@bloodscrolls]

These videos are very helpfull to understand the Bible! Thank you!

[@tonydoran5147]

Great discussion gentlemen, thanks!!

[@jgamez5023]

Two of my favorite men of God....thank you!

[@societyofroodest.590ad9]

Awesome show. I learned a lot. Thank you!

[@maurinecromwell1541]

Outstanding discussion. Great overview. Thanks! Justification by doubt vs by faith. Very clarifying history.

[@chrisgary4109]

Thank your brothers for your time and serving our Lord Jesus. Please do this again!

[@buildup4146]

This cleared a couple things up for me. Absolutely fantastic listening to this conversation.

[@danielpenn1734]

Yes, Mike looks fantastic. Praise God almighty

[@tonysabell7737]

I'm a Catholic and our educators don't teach us about angelology anymore--or I should say, I, as a layman was never taught such in a systematic way. I'm so grateful to Mike Heiser for illuminating this important aspect of Christian theology/cosmology of which, until I watched his videos (and read his book "The Unseen Realm") was largely ignorant.

[@nickynolfi833]

St. Thomas Aquinas is called the angelic doctor because of his theology of angles. Look into St. Thomas Aquinas

[@kriswiwatowski4697]

I am so grateful for this interview. So helpful on the journey. Thank you.

[@logosbiblesoftware]

We are glad that you enjoyed it!

[@patriciaking410]

Gracias por la entrevista. Shabbat Shalom to you all

[@abbaschild2]

That was great, I learned so much. Thank you brothers.

[@darladeats6871]

This was so awesome! Thank you 🙏 🙌🏻

[@roseofsharon4872]

Excellent interview/ Bible teaching, Enlightenment, Unveiling, most of all Holy Spirit lead. Thank you so much ABBA Father, for Blessing us with your Humble Servants. Great job Mr. Evans you ask Great questions and you made sure that the answers was explain to us. The HOLY SCRIPTURES should be explain with simplicity so that a baby Christian can understand and grow into maturity . 👏🏾👏🏻🙌🏿🙌🏻

[@colleennicholl9810]

Thank you , God bless

[@laurelstanton7567]

Thank you! Such a helpful interview.

[@MariaAcosta-in2jl]

I will listen to this multiple times. My father went to Asbury Seminary in the 50s. I wish he had been taught by Ben.

[@selectamark]

Great interview guys, didnt know who Dr Ben was till now. I may purchase his book.

[@davidverlaney7764]

Whoever this guy is with the deep voice he's amazing.

[@adamduarte895]

That’s Dr. Ben Witherington, excellent NT scholar

[@davidverlaney7764]

@@adamduarte895 thank you.

[@adamduarte895]

@@davidverlaney7764of course

[@louisianaprepper]

Thank you for producing this intellectual and spiritual discussion! I have sorely missed Mike’s interviews. Praise to the Great Physician!

[@07charger707]

💥❤️Thanks Guys!!! I Love your Channel and I’m learning so much I am Grateful!!! GOD Bless❤️💥

[@shirlspark_stardust]

The spiritual world is very real thanks for the videos very I formative we never stop learning

[@alshaddainews2617]

Great information. Thank you.

[@halleluyah60]

Two Men of God. Thank you for wise informations.

[@crichmond5988]

Great interview! Much food for thought.

[@arnoldschmidt2753]

Wonderful conversation. I learned a lot about how to look at things from a different perspective. It just fills in the blanks in conceptual thinking.

[@dustyt4662]

I learned a lot from this clip! Thank you 😊

[@notsure9379]

Love both of these guys

[@yeshuaneitheristheresalvat8018]

Excellent, and full of exortation!

[@MatthewMorizio]

Thank you for providing this video/interview. Lots of good, crucial stuff discussed.

[@jalsr.speak2379]

Many questions and confermations made through this video.

[@cindylouheaman8719]

Very good program. I just wanted to clarify that demons/dark spirits are looking for people to let them in through their vices, and desires. The bible does tell us about the roaming dark spirits who are always hungry, and lusting after a wiiling body. Shalom

[@basicforge]

"The best translation is the one you will read." Some people will use this kind of thinking to defend the use of books like The Passion Translation, or The Message.

[@georgemann5009]

It's great to see Michael looking so well thank you God :⁠-⁠)

[@Abbaddon-El]

Look forward to learning more

[@jailbreak852]

We only have glimpses. It's amazing to me how much we're influenced by things we don't see. Not many people think about this, even Christians

[@solideogloria5553]

excellent!!! keep gettin better towards the end!!!

[@Notevenone]

Great conversation. Thank you

[@whoooami2090]

Such a wonderful discussion. I leaned so much more.

[@mrvax2]

I'm so thankful for all the good stuff that can be found online.

[@corneliabender-dantoni787]

Yes as long as we have the possibility to Listen. Since the plandemic more and more mostly Christian channels vanished. From The Word we know this fallen world is in the hand of the old dragon. But in the End God wins and luci will die forever.