The Unsolved Case of a Fake Human Fossil

[@bunnygirl2448]

I love finding old geology, anthropology, or archeology books that still mention Piltdown Man as fact.

[@marvintpandroid2213]

Yep and its great that nobody calls those who don't believe in this as a heretic whereas much older books can't be questioned at all.

[@Neenerella333]

Bunny Girl, I bet those old books are pretty cool. Seems like a short blip in the timeline, but managed to get into quite a few. Can you name some titles? Were there illustrations?

[@bunnygirl2448]

@@Neenerella333 it’s actually embarrassingly common to find in books with titles like “textbook of physical” or “historical geology” in the 1930-1940s . Without going through my whole collection you have: H.g. Wells (yes THAT HG Wells) “the science of life” 1939 printing. I don’t know about later editions The Races of Man (1925) by AC Haddon And even a University Society publication by Richard Swann Lull called “Fossils: What they tell us about plants and animals of the past” in 1935 including pictures and comparisons to other hominids. And even Carl O. Dunbar failed to remove a chart mentioning Piltdown man from his third 1952 printing of “Historical Geology” All professors of paleontology, anthropology or geology (except for Wells of course)

[@Neenerella333]

@@bunnygirl2448 Thanks. I'll look for those.

[@rachelbockrath6276]

One thing I found fascinating by reading Darwin's Descent of Man was that even without any fossil hominids older than Neanderthal, he tentatively concluded that human origins probably traced back to Africa, because it has the most living apes.

[@lubbertdas3797]

Human origins can be traced back anywhere because the ancestors of your ancestors had ancestors too.

[@akhromyn]

@@lubbertdas3797 However the place that hominins inhabited and evolved in for over 5 million years is Africa. Only about 100 to 50 thousand years ago did homo sapiens migrate out of Africa into Eurasia.

[@Gibbypastrami]

@@akhromyn as far as we know, I like to think there were many migrations we never found out abiut

[@salineaddict9850]

@@Gibbypastrami that’s completely possible. Our understanding of the old world is minuscule compared to what actually happened. There could be completely unknown lineages that have still yet to be discovered/will never be because their fossils weren’t preserved.

[@zackakai5173]

@@lubbertdas3797 But eventually, all humans converge back on Africa.

[@davidhanson4909]

My favorite part of the story is that one of the "tools" found at the site bore a strong resemblence to a cricket bat. Bit of a red flag in hindsight.🤣

[@thelaughinghyenas8465]

Someone's idea of "Oh too British" humor. They were determined to have England be where mankind evolved and all the world to just be one of their just colonies, or else.

[@Thor-Orion]

Why? Cavemen still play Cricket!

[@gomahklawm4446]

@@thelaughinghyenas8465 EXACTLY this....

[@xEricC1001x]

@@gomahklawm4446 "Multiple finds in Europe and other continents contradict the findings in our one heavily excavated location that returned hardly any fossils at all? YOU ALL SUCK WE ARE GREAT BRITAN OUR DECISION ON HISTORY IS THE CORRECT ONE" yeah oops 🤣

[@chris_mastro]

Thank you for finally posting an episode to KZbin. I'll be listening tonight!

[@johnwalters1341]

I remember reading a number of years ago that supposed artifacts were found along with the bones and teeth, including an ancient cricket bat!

[@Neenerella333]

Ancient Cricket Bat is my shoegaze band name. 😄

[@seanmckelvey6618]

@@Neenerella333 amazing 🤣

[@mal2ksc]

@@Neenerella333 Dammit now I have to change my project name. Again. 😄

[@la_belle_heaulmiere]

Yay! A podcast! I can work and listen and not miss anything. I didn’t realize they also made these in podcast form.

[@barbarianvee]

Mysteries of Deep Time is available on podcasting apps, they're slowly adding them to KZbin as well. Very enjoyable!!

[@AirwrekaDoesntRead]

They haven’t uploaded a podcast since July, but at least they have a consistent KZbin schedule

[@KhanMann66]

Should just upload podcasts on YT.

[@generalputnam2990]

For those intrigued by this, do look up the Taung Baby, a wondrous fossil indeed. Thanks again, Eons crew.

[@generalputnam2990]

Thank you for posting this, a story well-known to Anthropologists/Archaeologists & Hist/Phil of Science, but not to the lay public. Also, please post the site for that calendar. 👍🏼

[@alanhat5252]

well known to the lay public

[@culwin]

Yeah I think it's very well know to the lay public. I've been hearing about it for 40+ years. I think we were first told about it in like 3rd grade. And many times since.

[@StonedtotheBones13]

We also learned about this in school I'm p sure

[@gaz-atolla7519]

I grew up a 20 minute drive from Piltdown, everyone knows about it round here

[@cimachu]

Are any new episodes of Mysteries of Deep Time going to come out anytime soon? I've gone through them all (some of them more than once) and can't wait for more!

[@beeporaw]

Love how they post a podcast episode to KZbin but haven't updated their podcast in almost half a year T_T I used to constantly look forward to it every other Monday. I know they're busy, but this feels like a light slap to the face :(

[@KhanMann66]

I believe they’re not making much money off of podcasts. Probably better to just make money off YT.

[@scaper8]

@@beeporaw It couldn't possibly have been that long, no? But yes, I just checked and it's been about five months. :-(

[@hannahbrown2728]

Oh a podcast? im about to cook, perfect now I wont feel like Im missing visuals

[@Sadew_Sadew]

I always have the same guilt with the regular episodes, lol! I hope they post more; great for driving too.

[@Xammiller]

Loved it, now I know what to expect of the podcast and I will start listening to it

[@mascadadelpantion8018]

These are the type of videos I love!! Never change PBS never change

[@Anuchan]

As a request for a future podcast, I'd love to see your presentation of how we learned about tectonic plates.

[@rosiehawtrey]

Slowly.

[@edj8008]

A lot of Sherlockians thinks it's a prank gone wrong.

[@gkiferonhs]

Didn't they think the fossil cricket bat was a bit of a giveaway?

[@gomahklawm4446]

They didn't care. They just wanted "proof" that humans originated somewhere other than Afrika.

[@mellissadalby1402]

I don't gp in for Podcasts, but I very much enjoyed this one. Great story, well presented.

[@arturocostantino623]

A wonderful novel partly based on this is Anglo-Saxon Attitudes by Angus Wilson

[@dianagibbs3550]

I want more Mysteries of Deep Time please!

[@msteresa653]

I want to be Callie when I grow up but I'm pretty sure I'm older than her 😭

[@jackdarbyshire5888]

I probably have 20 years on her, she's the best so i made a playlist of just her episodes 👌but i could settle just being married to her 🥰

[@tgh1466]

This isn’t on my feed in Podcasts? I’m following this podcast on there

[@jimcappa6815]

This was their second episode of the podcast, from March 28. If you're subbed to the podcast, you've already heard it! 😁

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

I occasionally drink in the pub, called The Piltdown Man, not far from the gravel pit.

[@CuteCuteJames]

Dawson dying and no more fossils showing up at Piltdown is like when you're playing with a Ouija board with friends and one of them goes to the bathroom and suddenly the pointer isn't moving anymore. Definitely not suspicious at all.

[@haloici0us]

I don't prefer podcasts but love EONS and I did enjoy this. I love the hosts and the graphics. Please keep that up and maybe keep this an occasional thing. 😃

[@dindon6947]

I love these podcasts but the backwards music is driving me crazy. I see the intention behind it, tho.

[@JFStandhope]

Totally off topic, but I just read about the research around Janavis finalidens, an ancient bird who may have overturned over a century's worth of 'understanding' about how bird beaks evolved. A neat example of how science can take a 'fact' as a given for decades or more, only to correct itself when new info is found!

[@spindash64]

Suspect 3 would be peak British Comedy if it were all just an elaborate prank

[@alexandriatomkins3048]

As someone with sound sensitivity (like many neurodivergent people), I loved the content of this video so much but the loud, constant noise in the background made it very hard to concentrate on what was being said and gave me a bit of a headache. Less intense and/or quieter background noises/music would be much appreciated by those like me!

[@adhdengineer]

Dunno who picked the backgrounds music for this video, but they need to be fired. It's awful.

[@_maxgray]

Will there be new podcast episodes coming? Really hoping there will be, it became my favorite podcast during the last season!

[@Seven-Planets-Sci-Fi-Tuber]

Aha! I knew it was going to be Piltdown ! Thanks for the full story!

[@grahamturner1290]

A fascinating yarn, thank you! May I recommend "Geat and Maethild", a recent upload on the Northworthy Sagas and Stories channel here on KZbin.

[@jasonl1184]

Is the podcast discontinued? I was kinda a fan and I realized this was an old episode

[@22vx]

I really love this podcast style format 💜👍

[@CymruCreator]

hey can you label this as a podcast/audio-only please.

[@drhat77]

Stupid Question: Why was a Jesuit priest examining evidence for evolution in 1920? THis was around the time of the Scopes trial.

[@lubbertdas3797]

Teilhard de Chardin was a priest and a plaeontologist who already had experience in the field, he would later be part of the discovery of the Peking man, the Scopes trial (which was a media fabrication of its own) took place in the rural U.S.A. where most of the people is protestant while Chardin was catholic, so what's the point you're trying to make?

[@drhat77]

@@lubbertdas3797 I just thought it was interesting that while one group of Christians was pushing back hard against human evolution in the name of the orthodoxy, an actual Jesuit priest was actually examine the evidence. Very fascinating.

[@busterthemutt8224]

Hopefully in the future we will get some reenactments of these type videos

[@ZedaZ80]

Obviously the forger was the Piltdown Man himself!

[@texasbeast239]

Nah, 'twas Piltdown Bart Simpson what got so cheeky. "I didn't do it; nobody saw me; you can't prove anything."

[@rosssmith1727]

Hi there, when are we getting some new podcast episodes? They are absolute quality!

[@EnneaIsInterested]

I claim full responsibility. I did it.

[@osbisbo]

Based

[@jenniferlevine5406]

Excellent report! Thanks so much.

[@Ladies_Of_death]

First and thank you so much for this amazing video ❤️

[@PerumPalli]

💚💖

[@StonedtotheBones13]

Hmmm. Did anyone also test the bones found in Hinton's effects and from zoology? I mean I fully believe Dawson is the guy, but I'm curious

[@lamegoldfish6736]

ACD seems to turn up a lot! 😆

[@cyankirkpatrick5194]

As for royal titles go I'm fond of the title of Baroness for some reason, I just like it.

[@skybluskyblueify]

Has anyone made an accessible[not hours long] video about why and how people objected to the Homo erectus etc.?

[@nicholaslewis8594]

Objected in what sense?

[@KittytheKatfish]

Please make a new season of the podcast soon! 🙏

[@aplaceinthestars3207]

I imagine this whole debacle to be like the evil twin of Time Team. Sir Conan Doyle instead of Sir Tony Robinson. Hm...

[@OstblockLatina]

All those exclamations about the recognition and Royal Society membership for the original finder of the bones and all - that would only apply if the person in question were a man. If it were a woman, no record of her part in it would be preserved and the findings would be ascribed to sb from the natural history museum she'd have reported her discovery to. Mary Anning had a lot of similar experiences throughout her life with the scientific community of her day and age. Men of the contemporary science scene had used her achievements, knowledge and fruits of her labor to build their careers on, without ever crediting her for her work.

[@TehlItER]

Cool, but will there be a new podcast episode?

[@tyler3201]

Interesting story.

[@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

What’s up with the weird creepy sound effects?

[@kade-qt1zu]

Atmosphere

[@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

@@kade-qt1zu Well, it failed

[@craigsimpson9561]

Reminds me of the "random" encounter in "Fellow Fantasy MCMXII": A wild Missing Link appears! [F]raud [M]edia [D]efend [I]tems

[@vaszgul736]

What if they were all in on it and turned on each other

[@allurevix9718]

I am curious about which period of Earth's timeline has the most Biodiversity

[@amelade]

the background music made it pretty hard for me to pay attention like 10 seconds in :

[@Gildedmuse]

I found the music help me engaged. A lot of times if it's JUST speaking it feels like a lecture. One I'm not present for, that will not bother s Engaging the audience. As a student, there was nothing worse than a pure lecture where the professor didn't want your opinion or feedback or even questions. Do you have some kind of auditory disorder? Or a form of ADHD? I apologize if you do, I know people that are effected by those kind of issues, and that makes things with bg music hard to focus on. Maybe they could post the audio both ways, so it's accessible for all of us.

[@dewantoroo]

This is very interesting and very well presented but i have to stop halfway through because of the weird background "music" 😢

[@guest_informant]

Reminds me of the Turin Shroud :-)

[@freydycat1416]

I bet it was all three of them lol

[@smurfyday]

Ignore. 08:15

[@bobbyvee9950]

Professor Plum in the Library with the pipe.

[@WayneManifesto]

Just doing the podcasts now?

[@chubbrock659]

Podcasts please!

[@MrHappy3feet]

Is season 2 of the podcast coming soon?

[@whoeveriam0iam14222]

maybe you can put "podcast" in the title

[@Fartucus]

It was me.

[@sterkar99]

Ι like these

[@l.zevicreations]

PLEASE show in the title when it's taken from your podcast.

[@wormball]

where is the video?

[@jimmij3894]

I suppose the moral of the story is that its not the science at fault its more the interpretation by learned people who pretended to know what they are talking about and woe betide any who say otherwise.

[@Sam2kay]

I am sad you guys haven't kept up with the podcast

[@jansenart0]

Uh, how about conspiracy?

[@jakobraahauge7299]

your friends over at The Scishow made a video about the meteor bringing about the extinction of the non avian dinosaurs - it had enough content to make about five different videos. If you haven't - I hope you'll check it out

[@evangelinemartell3366]

The music was so grating and painful

[@texasbeast239]

Sounds great with my earbuds. Vocals and instrumentals are well balanced.

[@dylanmartinese7780]

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@1337Elisha]

Music ruins this video

[@flame6021]

🤣i literally made a spotify account just for Eons-MOD no regrets love it!!

[@caroleannekerr708]

That wierd noise makes it unlistenable

[@jillatherton4660]

Gripping stuff.

[@dylanmartinese7780]

🙂🙂👍👍👍

[@krazypipe]

I am not interested in a podcast.

[@andreaswagner8356]

I am wondering, why I cannot find the podcast on Apple Podcast? Any info?

[@bookman7409]

Great topic, great info, but a terrible format. A transcript with picture would have been just as informative, and would take me less than half the time to read compared to the speed the script's being read at. And since you basically get it sentence by sentence, you can't read each paragraph and skip ahead. Others my prefer it this way, certainly the visually impaired, but would it be too much to ask for a text version to also be included, for those like me? The format makes it unfinishable, for me, and too bad.

[@PhysicsPolice]

10:00 music is obnoxious and sucks

[@josemaria18081947]

don´t like the format ....

[@erminm.2127]

hmm? was das?

[@zenithparsec]

Oh. A podcast. :( I'll pass.

[@DaniTheDeer]

Oh. A podcast. :) I'll enjoy.

[@sdttilidie]

It's free

[@4happythoughts]

I’m glad to hear from KZbin bc I don’t use podcasts

[@orwellboy1958]

Your loss.

[@Sadew_Sadew]

I appreciate being able to listen to this while working/doing chores and often feel bad doing it to some of the more graphical episodes. The subtitles were still helpful though if I had trouble hearing a word real quick.

[@marioa9432]

Sorry but I'll never be into listening to podcasts.. not watching this video

[@londonoverground]

Why do you think anyone cares?

[@jssweden]

I expected a video :

[@brodyhess5553]

Reminds me of the global warming “scare “

[@0.-.0]

Don't you have anything better to do than eat hair and toenails all day?

[@brodyhess5553]

@@0.-.0 sup dog lol

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

Global warming is real and every year the consequences are stronger and more obvious.

[@ethandollarhide7943]

Must get all your info from Candace.

[@Sadew_Sadew]

??? I'm directly noticing the effects of global warming where I live. Are you not?

[@blackrasputin3356]

I'm on youtube to watch videos. I'm not listening to the radio.

[@Jezus42]

Are we just recycling the deep time podcast? That's not ok. I thought we were pros?

[@chubbrock659]

You are welcome to do better

[@Jezus42]

@Chubb Rock don't have multiple channels if you are just going to recycle content. Not the first time!

[@Jezus42]

@Chubb Rock I'm guessing the script is saved somewhere if they had at least re-record the thing I would not have said nothing. This is the youtube version of the post office accepting government money I expect accountability

[@Jezus42]

@Chubb Rock ain't you glad yo dumbass said something. You gonna learn today

[@chubbrock659]

@@Jezus42 you paid how much to watch this video? find a bigger fish to fry Karen.