The Unstoppable Crazy Eights Incident

[@fortwaynerailroad]

Hit dat independnet.

[@trainboi777yall6]

HIT IT AGAIN

[@20chickenmcnuggetsharebox78]

ITS EVEN FUNNIER THAT FORT WAYNE COMMENTED 💀

[@ohiovalleyrailfan]

Dump le tren xddd

[@evanj2400]

FRANK WE’RE GONNA RIP RIGHT OFF

[@trainboi777yall6]

@@evanj2400 no we're not we're just stretching

[@TM-bk3ok]

*RON, GET THE GUN! WE GOT A TRAIN TO SHOOT*

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

Most American thing ever.

[@jrthomas8204]

You almost got it just change shoot to hunt

[@bccarl88]

Fun fact: “Unstoppable” was filmed on mostly Wheeling and Lake Erie property. And the 1206 units still operate today as WE 6353 and WE 6354

[@bccarl88]

@@topher7167 the "runaway" scene and the ending scene were filmed on Wheeling property. The train "gets away" out of the west end of Brewster yard and when they catch up to the train and stop it, it's on the W&LE river subdivision going north through Martin's Ferry, OH. I've been working for the W&LE for almost three years now as a conductor and it's super cool to spot where all the Wheeling locations are. Even the WE 6364 has scribbled "Denzel was here" inside the cab just above the isolation switch lol

[@sct913]

@@topher7167 The closing credits in Unstoppable credit both the Wheeling and Lake Erie and Western NY and Pennsylvania Railroads

[@NAPALM_Co]

777 Yes

[@tfi6279]

Oh boy you probably know Chris Howell.

[@bccarl88]

@@tfi6279 yeah. He’s a good dude. Just saw him the other day on a train going to the AVR

[@rickenbacker315]

I was an engineer for CSX from 1998 - 2004. 8888 came through Barr yard. I had to climb on it and read all the graffiti. 'My little runaway' was all over the cab. Fun times.. Lol

[@berkshiredave9766]

Rick. Why didn't the alerter shut it down?

[@rickenbacker315]

@@berkshiredave9766 I really don't know. Possibly, the engineer applied the independent brake. That might have stopped the alerter from activating the system. Just a theory though.

[@sonofatlas1372]

The legendary Barr yard blue island

[@LibertarianHoosier]

I've met with some people from CSX corporate before. Yes they're still a company at the end of the day, but they also expressed to me more times than I can mention how much love, and appreciation they have for their fanbase, their community, and country. I hope to see CSX continue successfully on the high iron, until the end of time itself.

[@KutWrite]

As far as their love for employees, though. Well, it's not as bad as some.

[@Dougie1969]

@@KutWrite They treat us .....ok I've heard horror stories about a few other railroads. I'm looking at you NS

[@bradleybaker8872]

Isn't csx an evil company though

[@Dougie1969]

@@bradleybaker8872 Evil ??? How so ?? No different than any other company I suppose, driven by the $$$

[@bradleybaker8872]

@@Dougie1969 You're right, they are driven by fat stacks

[@BuckeyeNationRailroader]

I know I am over a year too late but a few facts that you missed that I believe should be mentioned in this video... The engineer who was at the controls of 8888 as it was making its movement was never fired from CSX. He was 2nd in Seniority in Stanley Yard and had no prior records of incidents prior to this. CSX put him back on the job and he worked for CSX all the way up to 2015 when he hired out. He is now happily retired from CSX. I know this because I have a friend who knows this engineer personally. Another interesting fact that was missed is when the train hit that portable derailer at Galatea. Galatea is also known as North Baltimore, and the derailer was not placed on the mainline. The dispatcher routed the Runaway Train into the siding, where the derailer was placed at roughly the middle of the siding. Another fact that was not discussed in the video was the situation at Bowling Green University. The Runaway Train passed right by the Bowling Green University Campus, which was partially evacuated due to the emergency. Another fun fact is when the train started passing through Findlay, a CNN Helicopter started broadcasting the event live on National Television. After this, the Governor of Ohio at the time Bob Taft as well as US President George W. Bush was alerted of the escalating crisis. When the incident concluded, George W. Bush personally visited Ohio and congratulated the heroes to those involved and became a supporter in legislation to prevent this incident from happening again. I would also like to expand on part 3:43 where you state that more derailing attempts were set up. The actual concern was that on the route that the train was traveling on, the train would have come into Columbus traveling through Ridgeway, Marysville, and eventually coming in through the Northwest side of Columbus. There was a curve at N Soulder Avenue where the line that the train was on joins the Norfolk Southern, and it was moving too fast to make that corner. The initial plan was to derail the train at Ridgeway, however, there was a train already blocking the corner at Ridgeway. 4:10 I would also like to point out that it wasn't the dispatcher who placed the Kenton Local to intervene. The person who actually ordered that was a person by the name of Jon Hosfield. Jon Hosfield was the train master for both the Toledo Branch and the Scottslawn Secondary, and he had been following the train South since it left Stanley Yard. He was the guy who actually hopped on board and stopped the Runaway Locomotive in Kenton. Also, another funny side note. In 2005, 8888 actually suffered another accident and the engine became damaged, however, CSX decided to rebuild the locomotive. After this accident people who actually worked on it began believing that the engine was cursed lol

[@Deathtofrogleghorn]

I remember this happening. We were at home when the train got away and we saw it on the news. There’s a set of CSX tracks that ran through our back yard and our ghetto behinds ran outside to watch it roll past as soon as we found out it was getting close. Channel 8 had their news chopper following it and we knew how close it was.

[@ohioandnortheastern]

Did you take a video of the train?

[@Deathtofrogleghorn]

@@ohioandnortheastern Unfortunately no and I wish I took my camera with me. I wouldn’t have had it set up in time either by the time it passed by. That was wild though and I wasn’t the only one headed that way to check it out.

[@Lazarus7000]

There's an old WWII commando training film here on KZbin (or at least there was) called "How to stop a train". Large sections of track need to be removed to stop a train once it's got going, there's no surprise that those little derailing gimmicks didn't work on a train at speed...

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

I probably would’ve changed a set of points to put it into a small siding and just let it run off the edge of the tracks and fall over.

[@trainenthusiastproductions5219]

The “Crazy 8’s Incident” is probably the last runaway we will see for a while or ever mainly because the technology we have now is designed to stop situations like this from happening.

[@AshLilburne]

Its still crazy tho that even in the year 2001 their first two options were to derail it, then try shooting at a small moving button 😆

[@trainenthusiastproductions5219]

Yes and the funny part is who’s idea was it to shoot a button right next to a diesel tank that would explode if it were to be shot at. Just comment sense to not shoot it.

[@trainenthusiastproductions5219]

And it would of never happened if the engineer would have just fully applied the locomotive break and independent break at the same time and waited for it to fully stop.

[@derrekvanee4567]

@@trainenthusiastproductions5219 diesel doesn't light let alone explode until very hot or very high pressure not gonna ignite. Like jet fuel it's really falking hard to light with any less than a blow torch

[@matthewgray9752]

@@derrekvanee4567 The fuel for the SR-71 and the A12 also has high flashpoint. You can actually put out a fire with the fuel that the spy planes used.

[@williamobryan4381]

Watched unstoppable for the first time tonight and almost instantly went to this video afterward. The thrill I got while watching it makes me wish I could see it for the first time again. It may have been exaggerated, but still a fantastic movie. Great video!

[@ronanvave560]

Yeah that movie is so underrated.

[@AmtrakFlareon]

Fact: the Wheeling & Lake Erie Railway (which my dad works for) helped make the unstoppable movie. 1206 was a wheeling engine painted. After filming, it was painted back into the wheeling’s colors and still operates today.

[@casey6556]

Thanks to a trip to the National Railway Museum in my home of Montreal, Canada, I’ve gotten a chance to use one of those control stands (in a simulator) and I can entirely understand how one would make that mistake

[@oakrail8100]

*Cues Stanton Curve Theme*

[@bobross4449]

Or runaway train theme

[@burlingtonfan7492]

Even though it’s now a dash 3 rebuild I atleast hope 8888 (now 4389) is preserved when it’s retired

[@nullerp]

me too

[@W4RR3N-AX]

Same

[@W4RR3N-AX]

@@kdenaviation Your right, But there is hope

[@kyaing9047]

Theres no reason to even bother with that unless you're gonna repaint it and rebuild it to as-built CR paint. Glorifying an incident like this is a pretty dumb idea, and why bother preserving a rebuilt unit and sacrificing other ones to make it look similar to as-built? Seems like there are better locomotives to preserve than a rebuilt and butchered CSX SD40

[@W4RR3N-AX]

@@kyaing9047 I guess so.....

[@TheAtlantaRailfan]

I never knew that locomotives had a control stand with a combined dynamic brake/throttle control.

[@oregonrailfan7046]

i mean GE locomotives with desktop controls have that

[@chester7393]

yep quite common

[@bluebellsfan8704]

Same

[@hvymtal8566]

@@oregonrailfan7046 Desktop controls, whether they're GE or EMD, rely on a much more absolute principle, though. While they are combined into a single controller, throttle and dynamic brake applications increase in separate directions. The setup on 8888 uses the same direction for dynamic brake and power application, which is confusing, and, as 8888 showed, potentially dangerous

[@catnipleaf8680]

@@hvymtal8566 if I remember correctly, on a desktop combined throttle/dynamic lever, pulling back from center applies throttle, pushing forward from center applies dynamics. Much less confusing than one lever to select throttle or dynamics, then another to control the power

[@silicon212]

By setting the independent brakes, this disabled the alerter that would otherwise have brought the train to a stop through a penalty brake application (and PC trip of the engine).

[@mylesspear]

*Crazy Train intensifies*

[@tjmfarming9584]

Y’know, I wish people could’ve bought 8888 off CSX before they rebuilt it to at least have 1 memorable SD40-2 in preservation

[@Moakmeister]

A lot of people tried to buy it, but CSX thought it wasn’t worth preserving.

[@markwright3161]

@@Moakmeister Their way of saying they don't want to be remembered for a major failure. Even though it was that one engineer's mistake, it was a CSX train at one point thundering down the track without an operator and that got the movie made about it. If someone approached to buy the last SD40-2 in service I'd imagine it would be a different response.

[@TheBrickGuy7939]

"Something's getting away!" America: Shoot it! Interesting how the lash-up scene was set up as a real plan in the actual event. I wonder how it would have turned out if 8888 got far enough to meet that train.

[@shanecochran1969]

Interesting video. Now I know where the story/movie of Unstoppable comes from... Good video hope to see more videos from you... 💯

[@mrmrb04]

There aren’t that many great train movies, but unstoppable is really cool. It’s always fun to go back and watch as I learn more and more about how railroads work, I understand more of what’s going on in the movie.

[@HxghLxnder]

Unstoppable was one of my favorite movies as a child, I never really knew the movie was based off a true story.

[@Idaho-Cowboy]

Best explanation I've heard of this, very detailed video. Thanks!

[@Robloxity_News]

One of my favorite incidents.

[@HumancityJunction]

Great job, I am glad this showed up in my recommended videos.

[@dfwrailvideos]

Thanks for putting in the soundtrack!

[@MrSilverballmania]

The engineer on the chase engine was at our annual dinner , and told us the whole story and he was in the movie that came out about it .

[@charltonswingle3651]

Another great video!

[@refunchecked2722]

I personally live in the in the Toledo area and was born around the time this happened. My uncle used to work around that yard and others in the south east Toledo area until a few years ago; hired out as a contracted crew driver out in Walbridge. He’s told me a little bit about this story but wasn’t really involved in it at all.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

FWIW: I was under the impression that railroad locomotives -- even back in 2001 when this happened -- had some kind of _dead man system_ built into the control station that would not allow the locomotive to operate without an operator present.

[@geocachingwomble]

They do however the air hoses that would normally allow it to happen were not connected

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

@@geocachingwomble >>> Okay -- Thanks.

[@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975]

because the brakes were applied, the alertor system is disabled. had the brakes been released, it would have shut down in 45 seconds or so.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

@@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975 >>> Thanks.

[@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975]

@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman oh no problem. i repaired EMD equipment for 12 years. I miss those contraptions sometimes. had these clowns actually shot the emergency button, it would have cut off the fuel pump relay.

[@kevinmills8437]

Happy Anniversary of CSX Runaway.

[@The_L-3C_Pro]

Great video!

[@HighIron]

Thanks!

[@willberestartingthischanne9984]

I Loved Your Channel

[@mainecoastrailfan]

Excellent video! With the wide adoption of PSR on the American Class-1's, I wouldn't be surprised if a similar incident happened in the near future

[@nicatouandnewengland]

How are you everywhere I look

[@mainecoastrailfan]

@@nicatouandnewengland Probably because I watch too many train videos in my spare time

[@nicatouandnewengland]

@@mainecoastrailfan haha I hear that!

[@BossSpringsteen69]

I'm waiting for it too.

[@Apocalypse_Cow]

Maybe a 666 train going runaway 🤔 (writing the movie script already)

[@mailstorminurbox]

Imagine the resume of the driver of 8392 “Ok so it says here you chasrd a runaway train, backwards?” “You have no idea”

[@DougGrinbergs]

2:25 grade crossing safety promo train in the area (the northbound train later told to go to siding? 3:54 Apparently not)

[@RayBoebel]

Very cool and great video! It is amazing to think how many incidents happen that are human error that dont make it beyond a company or safety folks.

[@calcutt4]

I'm surprised that they weren't fitted with vigilance control or anything like that

[@mattrodgers4878]

I know next to nothing about trains and railroad. I had never heard of this until I saw the movie Unstoppable, I was kinda surprised to learn it was loosely based on a real event. However, I was surprised to learn that attempting to shoot the fuel shutoff button wasn’t Hollywood drama, but really attempted. It seems to me it would have been much more effective to shoot a bunch of holes into the fuel tanks. If the fuel leaks out, the engine won’t run, the train would eventually stop. Once again, I know very little about trains. I have no clue how much fuel a train carries, or how long it would take to drain. I’m guessing if punching a bunch of holes into the fuel tanks was a possibility, someone would have suggested it.

[@cameronmoss2933]

I would have liked to have seen a shot looking at the couplers with some coupling noises when the other engine coupled to the back of the train. Nothing big just something I would have liked to have seen. great video though, really unpacks the phenomenon in an efficient way

[@theonefrancis696]

Love that you used some footage from Train Sim World for this.

[@brandonb120kg]

Very good video Jonathan. They need to restore 8888 and run it on the mainline to locations like my house and horshoe curve in Durango.

[@DynamoProductions-trains]

How 'bout no?

[@vermilionrailfan5651]

Yes Yes Yes I agree 100%. We must stop at my house too, and at Burger king for the hamburger cheeseburger big mac whopper!!!!!! Then we shall run it to Cheyenne Wyoming and tripple hed with 4014 and 844 and 3985!!!1

[@brandonb120kg]

@@vermilionrailfan5651 and 4501 and Durango and silver ton 476 and Amtrak 181 and challenger 3977 and and NW 1218 to go by my house and horshoe curve with the southwest Chief gobbles amen

[@rcsrailfaningproductions1225]

POV: your here from They should restore it and run it on the main line

[@rcsrailfaningproductions1225]

@@brandonb120kg gobbles

[@TridentYouTuberhere]

Did anyone see the derailer didn’t go flying at 3:19

[@T128Productions]

That’s because these physics can’t work in the game.

[@ohioandnortheastern]

"Locomotive Cabs May Be Unoccupied" how ironic

[@DerpyPossum]

dang...20th anniversary...

[@joenichols5253]

this was one of the incidents that the movie unstoppable was based on

[@ian3580]

Which he mentions in the video

[@UP4014SteamTrainFan]

Nice do you still take request for seeing trainz ?

[@Nighttime-Challenger]

You know I'm curious to the current whereabouts of CSX 8392 the engine that help stop the runaway.

[@NOLJAK101]

Yep I remember watching the movie unstoppable for the first time witch was 11 years ago! And four years ago was when I first heard about the crazy 8 story that inspired the movie! Pretty intense situation if you know what I mean I’m not gonna lie. 😊

[@trevormillar1576]

The engineer is now working in the fast food industry.

[@southernkansasrailfan3746]

Hey, I had a question. How do you shoot the pictures in burst and video, or is that just someone nearby? Thanks!

[@surplusgear3545]

Wha how did you get the awvr 1206 oh nvm trainz download station

[@flamingcacti]

Very well put together. In my opinion, most amateur rail mini-documentaries tend to either be extraordinarily boring, or the presenter takes it way over the top to attempt to make it not boring. You found a good mix between the two: you calmly told the story in an interesting way that held attention to give a brief overview

[@robertaviles8451]

5:50 SD40-3 is the new registration for 8888, for those looking for it! Apparently, they weren't interested in saving it for a railroad museum or something!

[@willberestartingthischanne9984]

Nice!

[@HighIron]

Thanks!

[@Pedrovisky2359]

What is the name of the track model you used on the route ?

[@federicogiovine4035]

Loving the content!

[@xsardas1999]

In Poland we have RADIO STOP system, that wuld be probably helpfull in cases like that. The system works on short radio waves, all trains who(?) pickup the signal automaticly disengages engine and apply breakes. This is usefull but have been abused. If i'm not misteaken our trains also have automatic stop sensors that can detect whenever stop signal is being send by transsmiter, then the system informs engineer that signal have been send, if not deleted in 4 minutes the train stops, and can be turn on again after complete stop only.

[@schudder1623]

What's a classification yard? Some sort of shunting yard?

[@HighIron]

Yes.

[@bransontheblack5577]

pls, where did you get the 1206 model?

[@Shy-Shadow]

This Makes Me Want To Watch The Unstoppable

[@YoderMemeIndustries]

The station master called ahead. "Clear the Line!" He said. "It's a runaway train!" Signals were changed and points were switched.

[@ronanvave560]

Thomas and the jet engine reference.

[@Jeremiah_Rivers76]

@@ronanvave560I love that episode!

[@T128Productions]

Same!

[@jacknedry3925]

Couldn’t the locomotive be converted back to a SD40-2?

[@jackboy317]

1 thing: upgrading components and the dreaded SpongeBob cab

[@kitridge4301]

A friend of mine worked on the engine at the CSX shop.

[@struikbeest]

Are dead man switches not mandatory in america or have they changed that since

[@calcutt4]

Apparently it was defective in some way

[@struikbeest]

@@calcutt4 sounds like disabeld

[@BNSFTrains10]

6:32 As yes this was indeed Tony Scott's Final Film he Directed before he died 2 Years Later in 2012.

[@Lower_Mainland_Railfan]

why you dont publish on may 15？

[@Superseanbarry]

Superb animation!!!

[@isiswin218]

The video is so good 😊

[@MikeBrown-ii3pt]

I've lived in Northwest Ohio my entire life and remember this incident. I've watched every KZbin video that I've found on it and I can't believed that none of them have used Jailbreak by Thin Lizzy in their sound track.

[@derpyallan1435]

What's the song at 2:28?

[@HighIron]

It says in the description

[@derpyallan1435]

@@HighIron I tried searching "youtube audio library run away" but found some other songs instead

[@HighIron]

@@derpyallan1435 Run Away | Rock | Dramatic | TrackTribe | 2:44 It's there.

[@GaymerBenny]

Wait, so in the US the carts can be towed even without applying compressed air? Did I understand this right?

[@Alex-444x94]

why would they make the brake and gas the same lever?..

[@inewyorkcentralrr]

7:46 Bear mountain River sub!! Nice!

[@jrdrager]

How is positive train control controvertial?

[@AutismTakesOn]

One word: Money

[@alexho7513]

Song song stoppable movie is based off of crazy eights incident

[@ghidorahwarrior791]

I love unstoppable

[@raffaeltraintv]

What AWVR 1206?

[@thestarlightalchemist7333]

I never noticed that some locomotives have different dynamic brake types until now. Weird, as I have driven RLC locomotives with both control stand types in Garry's Mod

[@alexander1485]

Except you cant "drive" a locomotive, you run or operate it... shame on you

[@TrainmanAndy]

@@alexander1485 He's Talking about in a game, In this Sed game, you can DRIVE locomotives VIA THE GAME, Read the whole thing next time.

[@podgee7507]

what happen to the dead-man switch ????

[@1867Phoenix]

It's a train, not a chipmunk Dewey!

[@ItstheBreadMan]

nice video

[@brunoaleixo9828]

@@gamestv-jg5gr stfu

[@mihaelalaber2084]

What happened to CSX 8888 after the incident and does it still opperate today?

[@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren]

The locomotive was rebuilt into an SD40-3 renumbered to CSX 4389. It's still in service as of today.

[@Trains-With-Shane]

The Engineer is now pursuing a career in the fast food industry.

[@ramasaki1]

What is his name?

[@Shane-Singleton]

@@ramasaki1 Since the quote is from the movie the movie engineer's name was Dewey

[@ramasaki1]

@@Shane-Singleton I mean the real engineer's name

[@Shane-Singleton]

@@ramasaki1 That I do not know. Upon a quick googling I don't see it listed in any articles either. Only the names of the guys who stopped the train. A deeper dive could probably turn the information up.

[@tannerprice5151]

@@Shane-Singleton They never released the engineers name to the public.

[@ericwarren7719]

NS had a Dash9 40c numbered 8888, was a lot of accidents and weird stuff happened with it..

[@EngineerDaylight]

Ofc, Conrail had something to do with it, no wonder the engine was so troublesome

[@wyndhamcoffman8961]

So I'm curious why the alerter shutdown device didn't kick in, when the yard engineer wasn't in the cab for more than a couple minutes? I Could have sworn that those things were mandatory, once they got rid of the dead man's switch?

[@usernotfound-ue7ld]

I was wondering the same thing I'm guessing cause I know you can switch them off with a breaker I'm going to assume because he was just switching around in the yard he did not have it activated

[@w0lf_man260]

It was disabled due to the brakes being applied

[@gmamagillmore4812]

A change was made to one brand of locomotive's controls after this incident.

[@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975]

there are still some of those old controllers out there. railways will run anything until it breaks completely.

[@RailPreserver2K]

What about runaway train 1985

[@alexander1485]

Trip optimizer is a GE thing, not EMD

[@bluebellsfan8704]

I'm gonna subscribe!

[@urlocal_asiankid]

4:10 nice horn

[@PeachDaisyvsMarioLuigi]

Do you planning to do 2016 BNSF Panhandle TX disaster documentary? Because of It's another worst accident ever in BNSF's history, after Casselton explosion in the end of 2013.

[@brendanstrains9725]

Nice reenactment of the 8888 incident.

[@Bloodshed_Silence]

Okay, correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the engineer have heard the engine roaring up after exiting the train?? I’m surely it couldn’t have been too subtle.

[@KaciCooperations]

The AWVR reference

[@T128Productions]

You mean the AWVR *inspiration.*

[@GLUE_TINES]

what's the name of the game?

[@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975]

i repaired EMD equipment for 12 years and those old style throttle controllers are confusing.

[@Maximilian7992]

Sadly, there’s only one video that I could find on 8888 (now 4389) which is 4 years old

[@ShadowDragon8685]

What I still don't get about that incident is, if they were willing to derail the whole train and the portable derailer wouldn't work, why didn't they get an earthmover to destroy the track in its path? Or, for that matter, why not get a helicopter to put an engineer - or a stunt-man or someone who can be talked through applying the brakes - onto the engine?

[@budwhite9591]

Chase it down on a dirt bike or a horse why don’t ya

[@ArsakaD1]

in the start of the runaway is really look like the opening from unstoppable or maybe it was inspired?