The Untold Story Of My Time With Lance | Hincapie

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

If you enjoyed this podcast with Hincapie you'll love the one I recorded with his team mate Christian Vande Velde talking about his experiences at US Postal kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3nCeqWbeNSMqZo

[@Aspire2Bsum1]

Didn’t enjoy the podcast at all. It was so disingenuous unbelievably though.

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

@@Aspire2Bsum1 sorry you didn't enjoy it lad. Anything i could improve on my end?

[@jflood82]

@@TheRoadmanPodcast Are you so blind to what they did .. don't be a fan boy its embarrassing .

[@guest_informant]

If you didn't enjoy this podcast (it's a bit like interviewing Don Corleone and only asking him THE TRUTH about his olive oil business :-)), then may I respectfully suggest Tyler Hamilton's book, The Secret Race.

[@thart6103]

I just finished watching Greg LeMond’s interview. I loved it. Now I’m here and feel anxious. I like George Hincampie and Christian VanderVelde. But I’m beginning to think these 90’s riders are saturating cycling commentary. And I don’t know if it’s a good thing. Can someone give me their POV?

[@jeffreyreeves9113]

I live near Big George and ride on the same roads. I race cat 4 so am not a weekender. But my most humbling day on a bike was while riding all out up the Saluda Grade (NC) gasping for air and here come George and his EIGHT year old son blew right by having a conversation.

[@itsmeforsure5475]

I'm just an occasional cyclist and I think its a very underappreciated therapeutic tool.

[@uclaalum88]

Great compliment paid by Roadman to Big George at the end. And very so true! I wouldn’t be interested in cycling if not for Lance & George. Moreover, cycling has drastically improved my health, fitness, and overall happiness … and I’m 63!

[@andrewgoddard3350]

George was at a race I was at back in 1989....he was switching over to road racing from track cycling....very awesome dude....

[@bestsecurityproducts4738]

A lot of life lessons in this video. Resilience, taking risks, hard work are all important aspects in life that will improve your outcomes.

[@scotth3354]

George didn't witness the whole thing, he was an active participant

[@RogueCylon]

Completely in on it. Ruins his own legacy.

[@acanfield87]

Great discussion! Loved the reminder from George (para.)--when you are down, go for a bike ride!

[@user-pt1ow8hx5l]

ThankYou. Must resort to my bikes. Thanks.

[@glywnniswells9480]

Cycling is the most incredible sport

[@capoislamort100]

Definitely agree with that.💯

[@brianharris706]

Great interview. George is a warrior and super nice guy. Met him at his Fondo Fort Worth. There show The Move is excellent as well as his book. Thanks for making this. Peace be with you 🚴🥵💯

[@kevincollins9894]

Which do you remember the most....Meeting George or the 30-50mph every which way you turn headwinds that day?

[@bobbybox3968]

Not one blood transfusion mentioned

[@christofhuebner7841]

Nice job dodging the doping issue.

[@meatmotorendurance]

Well, the Lemond interview was great and fascinating. Didn't match up to the title much at all. More like Lemond, please.

[@DerekNewtonKeswick]

Agreed. The title is misleading.

[@ronneher6327]

At 25:30 -- reminds me of the quote -- "one bike ride away from figuring it all out" - Tom Ritchey

[@PInk77W1]

I met Tom at the NAHMBS show in Sacramento. I told him i rode 160miles from Santa Cruz to the show. He said “How’d u get over the hill ?” I said I rode over Hwy 17. He said are u allowed to ? I said yes it’s a full access Hwy. he had no clue and my head got All big. LoL

[@Captdeets]

Just stumbled upon this podcast. Great interview. Say what you will about the Lance years, George has always been one of the hardest workers, best teammates and class guys in cycling. Love the message at the end about cycling changing peoples lives. (I would really love if you didn’t use the clickbait title though even though it is probably the reason I watched :/

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

thanks for the feed back. it's a hard balance with those youtube titles

[@annaak7849]

​@TheRoadmanPodcast I appreciate this focus. These gyys were demonized for the entire shadow side of the sport industry. Doping was and still is part of an elite career in all major sports. Today they call it nutrition and using science and other elusive terms. If anyone is naive to think there was a few guys 30 years ago in cycling that were the bad guys and now the sport is clean....wake up.

[@tarmi_ricmi]

ran into him a year ago in Miami .. what an absolute stud legend

[@guest_informant]

For anyone interested the Tyler Hamilton book, The Secret Race, is well worth a read. It goes into the details of the doping. Unlike this podcast :-)

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

That’s been covered plenty of places. I’ve no interest in repeating those conversations

[@oliviernoir6669]

I read a lot of books about doping in cycling and the one from Tyler Hamilton is the best one in my opinion.

[@spookyspxxky9413]

​@@oliviernoir6669has it made your life any better?

[@maxmeier532]

@@TheRoadmanPodcast then dont call this video "truth about my time with Lance Armstrong". You know what you're doing, dont play dumb.

[@aaronbuys]

More like he’d hang up if you asked and you wouldn’t have your interview. So you ignore it and are just another bland yes man keeping these cheaters in the conversation.

[@cyclops60]

Having just listened to the Lemond episode this popped up on my feed. I try hard not to be judgemental about people but surely you could have asked about the doping rather than just fawning over him. Is he in denial like Armstrong about 'winning' the tour? Why not ask about their legacy which makes every tour winner come under suspicion rather than being celebrated.

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

It's all heavily documented and covered elsewhere. I wanted to have a different conversation

[@cyclops60]

@@TheRoadmanPodcast Fair enough, it's your podcast. Not for me thanks.

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

@@cyclops60 I do appreciate the feedback though. Noted for future episodes

[@sigalfamily4771]

I too listened to this after the amazing Lemond episode. Glossing over doping for any USPS member from the Lance years -- it's the 800 pound gorilla in the room. So any time George says "racing" I hear "doping." And I'm not singling him out -- nearly every rider from that time has kept it zipped up. The real question is "why?" It's not like any semiserious fan doesn't know that the whole peloton was doping in that era.

[@Ashok_Regiment]

@@sigalfamily4771 Also it's not like any semiserious fan doesn't know why they were doing it either. Cause everybody was (which you mentioned). I seriously doubt that Hincapie would have agreed to come on to talk about doping and I don't blame him. It's done, he's paid his dues, why revisit it?

[@biscaynediver]

Labeling an interview with Hincapie with "Truth ..." is really pathetic. George has NEVER been remotely truthful about his own doping or about the real behind the scenes in his time with Armstrong.

[@monkmchorning]

You're right. George was more than witness to it, he was a participant in it. His ability to cash in on it without taking responsibility for his part in it doesn't appeal to me either.

[@danroberts007]

Bingo. George is a lot more palatable than Lance but he’s just as guilty when it comes to doping and cheating. I refuse to watch/listen to their podcast. Based on the title of this video, I’d a glimmer of hope that maybe he’d come clean here, but doesn’t look that way. Disappointed that this podcast, which had such an excellent interview with Greg Lemond is willing to whitewash history when it comes to riders like George from the Lance era. But hey, at least he’s a nice guy. ;-)

[@fanda6122]

oh no lying about doping who would have thought such a thing was possible! newsflash every cyclist dopes your favorite your least favorite they do it today as well. delusional.

[@cycleoflife565]

@@fanda6122…and how do you know that every professional cyclist dopes? Because it makes you feel better about rooting for your favorites?

[@ssmith954]

He was enabler-in-chief. The silent partner to the biggest scam that destroyed cycling - and a lot of lives. No credibility.

[@christopherandstephaniehil5782]

Seems like tons of comments from people that don’t even ride. In mommies basement. I’m 70…still riding. Thanks George, Lance and Greg.

[@Never_unknown]

Are those blood bags on the racks. Couldn't resist.

[@robertgray9807]

I discovered your podcast with your amazingly thorough and captivating interview with Greg Lemond. That convinced me to check out your inappropriately titled Truth About My Time with Lance Armstrong. As pertinent as the questions were for Greg Lemond, you completely avoided the elephant in the room with Hincapie. Seems like there must have been lawyers involved in establishing a no-go zone for discussion. Too bad.

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

Thanks for the comment. Hopefully you'll continue to tune in. I'll keep pushing to bring engaging content and do my best to ask the hard questions. At times foregoing some subject matters is the toll to be paid to secure certain guests.

[@robertgray9807]

@@TheRoadmanPodcast Wow, Andrew. I didn't expect a thoughtful response, yet alone one so immediate! Perhaps you should have titled the interview Truth About My Time with Lance Armstrong Except (fill in the blank). Nonetheless, I've subscribed to your channel . George came up through CRCA, the largest race club in the US. I raced as a club member for 20 years, always thought of him as a homie. But now, the gloss is faded. Thanks again.

[@allancoukell2911]

It would be better to forego the guest. Agreeing not to ask the tough questions means you are in PR, not journalism.

[@johnkasza2315]

@@TheRoadmanPodcast What a weak excuse...part of the truth is not the truth...or at least admit in the beginning that you were told to "talk about the past without talking about the past.....very weak....

[@ssmith954]

@@TheRoadmanPodcast In which case don't interview them. I mean, what's the point?

[@bikeskimawk670]

Best advice by George, go for a ride. 🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️

[@peterhowe-si8fg]

Witness? No George. Willing participant. Co-conspirator. Accomplice. You were in it.

[@arvandero]

Dopestrong!

[@westsidewheelmen]

5:45 what “renaissance of cycling? The sport is on life support in the US.

[@shturmovik3033]

Lance is the reason cycling in the USA is *gone*…Lance could have built a powerhouse but his petty fights with his other teammates destroyed his career and stunted the possibility of cycling growth in the U.S. …and Lance still has the same crappy attitude. He only regrets being caught, not being an a**hole with his former teammates.

[@Velodan1]

Lance ostracized anyone who didn’t comply. Appeared to be chief among cheaters and petty, deceitful, arrogant. George testified under oath, probably with some sort of immunity. I’m sure he readily admitted everything. Just one of a hundred or more did what they were told. He wasn’t the only one who kept his records, otherwise 25 years of cycling would have to be erased.

[@norsangkelsang7939]

its not Lance - it was the entire sport. I raced during that era and against dopers. And I would never suggest anyone attempt to become a pro cyclist...shit is too sketchy.

[@jimsullivan9104]

@@norsangkelsang7939 It's as much Lance as it was the sport. Mind boggling - the need to symp for any of the CHEATERS!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop being COMPLICIT!

[@fanda6122]

there would be no cycling in the USA to begin with if it wasn't for lance

[@guitawrizt]

The Dope- w-w-what about the Dope ?

[@topneck77]

Omerta preserved....a kids glove interview

[@ssmith954]

Precisely. What a joke.

[@user-pt1ow8hx5l]

Nice to hear Johnny Weltz get a mention.

[@markn4526]

Great interview with, at least for me, one of the most interesting former professional cyclists. I met George in the mid-90's at the Thrift Drug Classic in Pittsburgh. He was very nice and approachable. I was no where near pro cyclist level, but rode a lot and did quite well in club races, especially TT's back in the day. Something he said in the interview is something I've always wondered about regarding when you ride a lot, you can't really do much of anything else physically because it wears you out. That was absolutely the case for me. Even now at age 62 I can take a hard 20 mile bike ride and feel energized afterwards. But I spend 20 minutes cutting my lawn and I'm exhausted! Why is that?

[@josephgiustiniani2834]

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'm 63. Same here. I can ride for hours on end, but doing yard chores and such just wears me out. Been in the sport since my 20's.

[@roadracer1584]

"...the Thrift Drug Classic ..." Consider the irony.

[@220Phil]

For some lawn mowing it seems is a meditation - total buzz kill for me

[@cycleoflife565]

@@josephgiustiniani2834I had slowly increased my time on the bike over the past 3 years after an injury and dealing with family matters. I noticed the more that rode the less fatigued I would be mowing the lawn such that I would do the grass after I rode and then shower. Earlier in that period I would be worn out trying to do the lawn front and back, likely attributed equally to the midday sun glaring down on me sapping my energy. I’m 64 by the way and been seriously cycling since my late 20’s

[@jimbruce1963]

Good interview but talking about “all the things” his team was dialling in without mentioning the drugs is a bit of a farce.

[@dalelawrence85]

Not if you know what it’s really like in pro cycling. The doping is the baseline. It’s the training on top of that that makes a winner. You think a doped Chris Farley would win the TDF? 😅

[@sarahdisco-dolly1150]

Enjoyed your podcast with Greg and listened to this and you legitimise that man , I'm off.

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

I believe in the power of long form unfiltered conversations. On the podcast i'll be attempting to break my own and your idea bubble to shine a light on the good & evil we are all capable of. I'll be having conversations with people you agree with and people you don't.

[@creativity.studio4967]

​@@TheRoadmanPodcast- It's fine to interview them. That isn't the issue. The issue is that if you're going to interview them, you should be willing to ask the 'tough' questions and hold their nose to the fire 🔥. By lobbing 'softballs' all the time, makes it appear that you're just serving their biased interests by helping them legitimize their false narrative. They are shunned by the cycling community. That's why they're banned from ever racing again. For people, like new cyclists, may not know their history, so it's important not to help provide them with legitimacy in cycling circles!

[@aaronbuys]

@creativity.studio4967 💯 This is drivel.

[@davidlloyd2893]

​@@TheRoadmanPodcast"the power of long form conversations..." Please. This is about generating clicks and $ and you know it. Being a sycophant to the sports bigger liers and cheaters helps your bottom line but nothing else...

[@burple65]

@@creativity.studio4967 Well said, and that's why I won't be watching this particular interview if he's not asking those kinds of questions. How about an interview with Tyler Hamilton who has a lot of stories about how ingrained the doping culture was at US Postal? For anyone who hasn't read Tyler's book, I highly recommend it.

[@rizman1095]

Good interview with a class act!

[@pizzafrenzyman]

George's black water bottle collection looks impressive behind him.

[@rayF4rio]

George was and is one of my favorite riders of all time since the mid 90's when I started following pro cycling. He seems like a genuinely nice guy - as opposed to his partner in crime. However, you will never see him discuss his doping history with anyone other than privately with Lance or Johan. He's as zipped lipped as the FBI in front of a congressional investigation. 😀 I'm sure every interview is dependent upon the avoidance of any reference to doping at all. His doping doesn't bother me. I never thought the peloton was clean in the 90's or since. And I still love watching all these pros race. But it is important to understand that Georges' success today is built upon the success of the US Postal team (and his career after that). Without that Postal success, every one of those Postal riders would have a very different life trajectory. It is therefore important to keep in mind that US Postals success was built on their doping program. Without which, even though they were good riders, they would never have won 7 Tours. And that's not say most other pros were any different. So your entire discussion, although interesting, is built on shaky foundation of lies. As the interviewer, you are required to turn a blind eye to the subject just to get the interview and rationalize that decision for your own good. Is it worth the clicks? I'm not sure, because as you say, we already know everything we can about the subject of these gents. But I have subscribed, as most of your content is pretty good, and you're a good interviewer.

[@bellavia5]

The rationale of "everyone was doing" is often used. Well -what about ALL the guys who spent the good part of their young lives, training and racing, with the hope of becoming a Professional Cyclist , only to find out that they could not participate because it was impossible to be competitive with everyone who was using PED's and such like. All that time and effort -wasted. And their is NO alternative , no where else to go , if you don't want to cheat.

[@ronm9357]

What you wrote can be applied to Vaughters, Kimmage, and many other riders who have doped in the past.

[@bellavia5]

@@ronm9357 OK . Not sure what point you're making?

[@ronm9357]

@@bellavia5 they're all dopers, and in that regard they're all equal. As far as doping, none of them is any more guilty than any other. So, if GH's current success is built on a shaky foundation, so too is the current success of Kimmage and JV and all those who doped.

[@rayF4rio]

@@ronm9357 absolutely.

[@Richie-C]

Anthony have listened to quite a few of you podcasts, why no mention of drugs??? Was it a precondition?? I like George and enjoy the Move but don’t forget what they did.

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

I've interviewed Tyler Hamilton on the podcast and we got into it on the drugs. Honestly I'm bored of it, bored of that era of cheating and i think a large chunk of the audience are bored of listening to the same epo tales

[@dannyh8288]

Not really, we need to see these guys admit what they did and admit they were WRONG. I can tell you are much younger than me. Believe me, you must have NO IDEA the damage they did to this sport. Its been what.....over 10 years since it came out and I STILL have to defend bicycle racing as a real sport to those otherwise rabid sports fans here in America, thanks to what lance and company did. Tyler Hamilton fessed up...its time others do too @@TheRoadmanPodcast

[@quinthomas5805]

@@dannyh8288Everyone was doping. You’re just a baby and people like me don’t care that they cheated because everyone was. So grow up you whiny baby

[@michaelwolfe8888]

Mr. Walsh - As a first time listener to your podcast I heard your interview with Greg LeMond, and developed respect for your work. As a second time listener I heard this fawning interview with someone who supported Armstrong in his lying and cheating. Lost that respect.

[@charlestoddsullivanforpres6628]

No one got cheated.

[@ericrickert3045]

Huge contribution to cycling! I'm glad I saw this video!

[@royoser9956]

Great work, I look forward to more podcasts.

[@superuner73]

Everyone should have a friend like George.

[@alan_davis]

If you're a doper, you should have a friend like George.

[@Cmoredebris]

The "Truth"...the podcast title is misleading.

[@cayennepeppa707]

didn't LeMond have carbon bikes in his day? I'm wondering what George thinks about Lemond? While so much of the focus is on Lance and Greg, I think it would be interesting to see what the domestiques thought.

[@Pdeloosha]

Yes, Lemond had carbon during his career. My guess would be from team Z on.

[@michaelcullen4990]

​@@supervhschannel4139😂👏

[@Lemond75]

@@PdelooshaHe used them in the 86 Tour, but the Peugeot team had them as early as 84.

[@Pdeloosha]

@@Lemond75 - interesting.. I never would have guessed that early. Must have been some nice bikes.

[@norsangkelsang7939]

one of the first...

[@williamboike7276]

A great interview, thank you. George didn't win too many races, but he was a real work horse for his team.

[@obiseankenobi2056]

25:50 - best advice ever

[@roadracer1584]

I'd like to learn more about the LA doping program. How long did you and LA dope and how did you evade doping controls?

[@davidweber5390]

Search US Anti Doping Agency USADA George Hincappie affidavit. Spells out a lot of details.

[@richardwhalen4624]

This is magic! Look forward to the next big guest!

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

Who would you like to see ?

[@markvincent5241]

@@TheRoadmanPodcast jan Ullrich

[@rorydonohue3038]

The secert race is best book ever about PED in cycling, redemption for Hamilton

[@christopherandstephaniehil5782]

See Greg…

[@ramansharma6986]

Some cracking questions and great responses. A terrific interview.

[@jflood82]

If you are inspired by these two people , you need to have a good hard look at yourself ! and ask why ?

[@dbo4506]

Why.? It’s relatable. Humans are severely flawed creatures. We make mistakes. We fall down. Seeing people lose it all and grow from it and get back on their feet is inspiring. I think it’s you and that closed little mind of yours that needs a good hard look at itself. 🫡

[@jflood82]

@@dbo4506 George lost nothing, the riders who’s careers he and other dopers ruined are the real victims. But you are quite entitled to fan boy and glorify them if you wish .

[@bellavia5]

I'm with you 100 %. Oh -Isn't George such a nice guy.? Yeah -a nice guy and ALL the other nice guys who , as you said, ruined the careers of THE ACTUAL, REAL nice guys who refused to cheat in order to win.

[@spookyspxxky9413]

​@@bellavia5names of the actual nice guys who would never have made it anyway?

[@bellavia5]

@@spookyspxxky9413 Not following you. Confusing. I said that Hincapie (with the implication of anyone else who cheated) ruined the careers of those who did'nt. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY? You're not being direct. -which irritates the shit out of me.

[@RuffRides]

It appears the Omerta hasn't been busted as podcasters go a whole interview without mentioning the biggest doping team in history whilst chatting to the mate of the ring leader.

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

Yes, disgusting. Hincapie was neck deep and he's still never told all. I think Hincapie is a bigger scumbag than Lance

[@riquelmeone]

if anything, it’s refreshing. they were still cyclists and have amazing stories to share. you come across all that doping stuff much more easily than the real cycling insights.

[@dennisbean-larson2403]

I started riding and racing in the late 80s and witnessed the loss of thr friendships of ALL cyclistrs

[@bobbrereton4785]

Are you letting your boy dope yet? What does Uncle Lance recommend?

[@MS-un9zq]

The Truth? they were EPO kings........

[@deyacorzo3492]

How can you say you are inspired by self declared (only after got caught) cheaters?

[@wglide444]

Great conversation with George.

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

George is a great lad

[@djbattledmv]

I liked this interview. I came across this one from watching a Lance Armstrong video. I love how George and Lance are still cool with one another. Whats the story of the guy interviewing George? Im not familiar with him and he gave no context to who he is. I like the hard questions too, wish they werent passed over. Almost got me to subscribe if they wouldve been in here. Good podcast here!

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

Have a watch of the Greg lemond interview on the channel. I think you’ll enjoy it

[@djbattledmv]

@RoadmanCyclingPodcast That was awesome! I just watched it! Much love

[@darrylwalker1867]

Really enjoyed the other podcasts. This however is a little lame. It is naive to think that the other teams weren’t doping. But, this fellow enabled Lance Armstrong, a fellow who set about demolishing the lives of anyone who dared question him. You can’t keep flogging a dead horse, and George seems like a nice fellow. However, I would have liked a few more probing questions.

[@v_sign]

Paying attention to those who played part in damaging clean sport and deceiving their fans all over the world? I guess not.

[@seansims8805]

That was a dandy. I do get plenty of motivation from Lance and George over the years,

[@dannyh8288]

Oh no.....I hope you can kick the drug habit Lance motivated you to do! Stay strong!

[@David-nx2vm]

As always, the self-righteous clutching their pearls and pretending to be outraged about doping when everyone including UCI looked the other way for years. Reminds me of Captain Renault in Casablanca expressing shock about gambling at Rick’s while he pocketed his winnings. Our doped-up guys beat all the other doped-up guys. We all know who won those 7 TDFs - UCI can do all the revisionist history they want. I’m not mad at Lance for doping or even lying about it. It was the price of entry. My issue with him is how hard he worked to destroy people who exposed him.

[@jeffhansche6105]

Lance perjured himself repeatedly to destroy any one who told the ugly truth about his doping. His cover-up was worse than the crime.

[@bellavia5]

What do you say to ALL the guys who trained and raced for many years in the hope that they would be able to become a Professional only to realize that , if they did indeed make the grade, they would be required to CHEAT . ? Oh well -sorry that you spent about ten years busting your ass so you could show the world what you're made of -but- the world will never know ( and yourself) because your effort will be a fraud. Swell.

[@davidbranch2020]

You call them self righteous. I have a completely different opinion, which I believe to be backed with more convincing evidence. The UCI did not look the other way; they were bribed. The commonly stated notion that they all were doped so it doesn’t really matter or it somehow balances out is an utter fantasy that obfuscate the true story. LA had a VO2 max which would have made it impossible for him in fair competition to win a TDF. His team of Doctors lead by Ferrari did an incredible job of using him as a Frankenstein for, what must be assumed, state of the art doping program. Leading us to the next false justificatory argument. “Lance just had a better physiological response to the dope”. Sorry but if you don’t at least entertain the idea that this might have had something to do with $, frankly your naive. It cannot be ignored that an American with a great story was demonstratedly shown to generate an incredible amount of revenue. Indurain was dominant but money wise meh. Europe was a saturated market. It is far more likely that the best/ most well funded dope pushers pursued the most lucrative options. LA was tailor made for the role. He was extremely driven, didn’t have the raw talent, represented the most lucrative market, had an incredible comeback story, and critically he just does’t really care that much about other people- Bill Burr's Sociopath on a bike routine video hits home. I believe it’s a far more likely, and unfortunately untold, theory that LA the performance is a Frankenstein tale and LA the fallen doper is a fall guy which draws criticism to LA and away from where it should be directed, where Greg is directing it

[@aliensarereal7832]

​@@davidbranch2020what is your cat number.

[@David-nx2vm]

@@davidbranch2020 we are both saying the same thing, just talking past each other. I agree it was about money. UCI was bribed - to do what? Look the other way. I have heard Greg LeMonds argument about VO2 max and I agree. Lance couldn’t have won without doping. That’s why they call them “performance-enhancing” drugs. Greg thinks some teams used motors too - he may be onto something. Cheating in TDF goes back to the earliest races when cyclists grabbed cars to get pulled. That’s why they don’t race at night - so officials can see what the cyclists are doing. European cycling outrage at cheating is situational; when the other guy does it, especially if they aren’t European. Pick a sport; somebody’s trying to figure out how to get an advantage, legal or otherwise. I’m not defending cheating; rather, I’m advocating for a level playing field. Since you quoted Bill Burr, how about the rest of his bit - let everybody openly dope and see who wins?

[@Aspire2Bsum1]

????? This ELEPHANT!!!! Hahaha Is this interviewee? Does he remember that he DOPED his ass off?

[@reflectionsdetail]

The actual story of the Loop is more accurately called the Jemison or Hamilton Loop by those that know. George just followed these other 2 around he wasn't into route planning like the other 2 were.

[@zenfully13]

So they're giving 13 year olds EPO now?

[@joegugg4129]

I always wanted to know how the cyclists work their way through the mountains

[@seansims8805]

Super Cool ...I go nothing but commuter and enthusiast recreational (hard core) cycling badges (54yrs) , I'm using my knowledge and energies to help anyone get riding , homeless, neighborhood kids , whomever!!! Local club Seattle Wa Northstar Cycling Club 💫

[@dgar7272]

He’s the living proof that crime pays dividends …

[@spookyspxxky9413]

Crime lmfao... It's a fucking sport, get real.

[@rockhopper01]

They ride bikes for a living. Hardly a crime.

[@doughtyism]

Fraud always pays.

[@simonworsley8631]

@@rockhopper01it is in France. Sporting fraud is a serious thing there as Festina found out

[@jjoster]

Crime?

[@rochellestanley9532]

No one can deny the good that Lance did for Cycling 🥇🇺🇸👏

[@andreasdk]

Really? It's easy: Lance was shit for cycling. Didn't do any good for it - but really tried to ruin it.

[@rockhopper01]

@@andreasdkreally? Every American bike company owes Lance. He got MILLIONS of us riding. I’ve bought 9 bikes that would’ve never been bought without Lance. So yeah, Specialized and Giant made money because I liked seeing an American win bike races.

[@andreasdk]

@@rockhopper01 Good for you. In Europe we hated him. I've seen the tour live several years under the Armstrong Doping and Bribing Area and believe me: He didn't have many non-US-citizen cheering for him. One thing was that he escalated doping rapidly and gave jobs to the ppl that had tried to ruin the sport (like Michele Ferrari). The cycling world was at a turning point, but Lance turned things from bad to horrible in his regime. Another thing was that he openly bribed UCI giving him yet another advantage over his competitors that didn't get warnings like Lance and his team. And a last thing which got more and more clear: He was really cruel to the ppl trying to speak up and was mocking a lot of good persons. I've watched Tour de France for more than 30 years. A lot of riders doped themselves in that time. But when it comes to cheating and being a pr..k, Lance took the clear lead. Maybe you liked him in the US - but you almost killed the biggest bike race in the world. Things has gotten SO MUCH better after The Armstrong Lies where revealed.

[@richbumdrop2881]

Lance might be an egomaniac

[@hughlawson1051]

When I started racing as a 4 in the mid-80's, George and his brother Rich were constantly in VeloNews and winning races on the east coast. He was just a teenager then and clean (everyone was, almost). Lance was a top triathlete a couple years later, age 19, on the national scene. Pictures of him at the time show clear signs of steroid use. George only started epo later in Europe, as far as I could tell from a distance.

[@ridethepace6005]

George for President!

[@sigalfamily4771]

George always seemed like a nice guy, but he did what he did and he knows what he knows. He was a super talented rider who doped -- probably like everyone else in his time, but its really a shame that we'll never really know how good he and the rest of his cohort really was. The problem is what do we do with riders from, say, 1991-2008 or so? You could be a purist and just say, that era shouldn't count; I'd be in favor of anmesty in return for confessions, although that should have happened a decade ago.

[@swites]

Same for all sports though. Look at the top 10 100m times and athletes in that list busted for doping, and also track and field over the years. The culture was such that it was either take it, or get dropped and go home. The problem was at the team level, management and organisational level and had been for some time. Riders were just the meat in the sandwich unfortunately. No point dwelling in the past because we know the reality back then. So time to move on imo, because no other sport is going to do it. And cycling will just end up being the fall guy again, getting kicked to death by the media. While all other sports get a free ride.

[@livingbeing1113]

1991 to 2008? Try 1900 to 2023. Everyone is still doped today, and was before the 90s guys, make no mistake about it.

[@alan_davis]

​@livingbeing1113 proof? Even a tiny piece? Maybe some dodgy data you can share? No, thought not... To be clear - I'm not saying it's 100% clean, but "everyone is still doped today" is a ridiculous comment. They weren't even all doped in Armstrong's era (EPO ain't cheap!).

[@domestique3954]

Without George Lance would’nt have won 7 Tour de Frances-everybody should wish to have a friend like this,absolute loyalty,i admire George and he is definitely one of the guys i looked up to and i wonder what he could’ve done if he was a team leader. Beeing such a good character i think it is twice as hard to fight yourself through the peloton-there are many dirty tricks played,some guys will punch you for positioning,touch your bar etc. I’m not surprised to see his son go down the same route and i’m excited to see him in the future on the european stage 🤙

[@paulsolon6229]

If I knew that if I was a upcoming pro rider like hincapie once was and that I wd have chosen not to dope then I can condemn hincapie. But I don’t know. I am unsure what I wd have done. But enough time has gone by. The full doping stories have never been told. It’s time to tell all, under oath. Same w Armstrong. Same w Andreau. We deserve the facts. Enough time.

[@Richz2]

I remember watching all his tdf wins and it was compelling viewing. Drugs aside his teams just did everything better than anyone else. Always good to listen to him.

[@dannyh8288]

You can't "drugs aside" since it was the drugs that gave them better than anyone.

[@tedecker]

They did doping better than anyone else.

[@ddknn]

Great conversation. Thank You!! 😊

[@pakelly99]

It might be more accurate to say Cluster B ASBD (Anti Social Behaviour Disorder). Linguistically it’s easier to use one word, and I have no qualifications etc, but from what I understand, typically, people who have these traits are typically a mix of sociopathic, psychopathic and malignant narcissistic, to various extents, rather than being one or the other. It might be a semantic problem and arguably, started by Hitchcock using the title “Psycho”, for one of his most famous films. In itself, this built-in mass miscomprehension as regards the very different phenomena of a psychotic episode versus psychopathy, which are very different from each other. Regardless, I’ve experienced situations very similar to what you’ve described, and albeit sociopath comes across as a more acceptable or less hyperbolic sounding description, psychopathy is in fact higher represented in people in corporate / vertical hierarchy structures, are drawn to them, and with a much higher representation in the top levels of these than say in the general public. Albeit they’re not literally typically what people picture, if thinking what does a psychopath look like, patrick bateman, hannibal lektor etc, the damage they do and consciously set out to do is motivated from a similar place of malice and sadism and can’t be overestimated, up to and including driving people to the point of suicide. Just my 2c.

[@neilrussell7048]

Shocking... what a soft-soap interview

[@nathanielwatson7859]

George seems like a great guy. But there's no excuse for Armstrong. No acceptance. No apologies. I have no interest in anything Armstrong has to say, and never will, and yet there's this guy George.... You glorify Lance after all that went down! I won't be watching your show again.

[@CGA22]

This is interesting but shouldn’t George address his doping past and promote clean sport? It kind of whitewashes that whole past instead of turning it into a positive by being open and honest.

[@tonymaiorano2749]

In the day, if you didn't do what the team managers said to do, you didn't get to ride. No contract, no money, no cycling future.

[@jonatanwigerup2450]

Tyler Hamilton said in his book that George Hincapie would stay in bed all day at training camps, when he wasn't eating or training. Is this really true? That means he spent probably around 12-14 hours / day laying in bed

[@goldenretriever6261]

How old is this video? His son is 15/16 now?

[@mikemyers8064]

He was with Armstrong for years and Knew They cheated. They stood on podiums smiled , waved to the big crowds of fans who thought these were great riders but all they were was great cheats and liars. Scum. They’ve helped to discredit and undermine the sport deeply. No marks who made their mark as cheats . Should be banned with all accreditation of any win or place stripped from them . I and many other people have absolutely no respect for them . Hope they can be banned. From making any money from any cycling activities.🇬🇧

[@bryanmiller5118]

I have regrets. I was in a race with him where he finished dfl. Last person i thought would become a pro.

[@bertt1014]

Hincapie continues to carry the water for Dopestrong. He's a slime bag.

[@AJXOXO-vz1pn]

I agree. Lance and his friends. It’s not just they they cheated. It’s the way the treated people. F them.

[@SteinBulgogi]

Richmond Hill, Queens in the house! Prospect Park and Kissena Velodrome, great memories when I see George.

[@alan_davis]

Like asking a serial killer about his home decor and ignoring the fact that he's famous for killing a dozen people... 0/10. (The Lemond interview by comparison was very very good).

[@marcusdollard7330]

I remember George and his brother Richie. I think his name is I tell people I beat George once in a race track racing queens. He was 12 I was older there were two big riders in city those days and George and McCarthy McCarthy was going to be domestic George definitely heading for Europe

[@richardacerra2975]

Do you remember Paul Zink?

[@kurtg3891]

Hey Marcus... i think i can vouch for that time you beat George out at the track... and i also still remember the personal grudge match challenge you had with Mike where you rode 1 hour around the lower loop of the park but no drafting was allowed, it was probably one of Mikes first races he ever won so you really unleashed a monster ! :)

[@marcusdollard7330]

@@kurtg3891 is this Kurt Gustavsson can’t remember how to spell your name

[@charlestoddsullivanforpres6628]

Volume is a bit low but this is a good interview.

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

Think this issue is fixed on most recent (LeMond) interview. Should be good going forward

[@roadracer1584]

Did you ever see Lance or George dope? Both were massive dope heads and were juiced to the gill.

[@louisvuittondom]

Can I ask why the KZbin content seems to cut everything short?

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

Shorts are maxed out on 60 seconds

[@louisvuittondom]

@@TheRoadmanPodcast one is 4 minutes and the other is 24 minutes

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

@@louisvuittondom sorry I thought you were referring to youtube "shorts". Which episodes are you talking about? We're just moving across to youtube from being solo audio. Big investment coming into the platform from us, bear with us. It'll get better week on week

[@louisvuittondom]

The videos with VC and Hincapie

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

@@louisvuittondom yeah they're basically only both 50% of the interview (both full interviews are on spotify/apple podcasts etc). Out of interest would you watch a full podcast episode (60 mins) here on youtube?

[@rman5815]

Geeze you wonder if George used and electric bike motor as well. For sure he doped his ass off. Why would he not use motors as well.

[@philfortner1805]

All these babies in the comments who think all cyclists don't dope need to go back to believing in Santa and the Easter Bunny. Drugs in pro sports is like America and apple pie! Fact.

[@JuanGutierrez-dn8bc]

Maybe the son was doping too. Like father like son.

[@richbumdrop2881]

Leave the kid alone

[@jamiewilkinsracing]

The truth...but not the whole truth.

[@tomdzikowski2261]

Just checked Wikipedia, it seems they actually never won the Tour. get your Fakts stright Sir.

[@richcastle6796]

Wikipedia is not a replacement for reality mate!

[@stephenkimos8376]

Nearly the entire Pro Peloton receive dividends from illegal substances the UCI bear song responsibility as well as the cyclist I wish I could say I would have been above doping, but put in that situation I probably would have put the needle in my leg I know that makes me weak.

[@649649649134]

Why not ask about Lance and Postal team doping?

[@TheRoadmanPodcast]

off limits

[@aghorn]

Omertà busted? The TRUTH about riding with Lance? Nothing of the sort here.