The Update That Cut The Playerbase In Half

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In this video I delve into the initial release of evolution of combat on pre eoc runescape. This is not a rant video, nor am I bashing the newer version of the game. The game is in a better state now, minus the microtransactions. I am merely documenting the initial release of Evolution of Combat and player's reactions to it. Also factual changes made by Jagex themselves.
My sources for this video:
Sick Graph showing the loss of members on the hiscores:
• 400,000+ Members Quitt...
The Eoc riots by AuroraVids:
• AuroraVids's RuneScape...
Eoc riot at the ge (with zombies):
• Runescape EOC Riot - J...
More Riots at fally square:
• Runescape-W66 falador/...
Evolution of combat vid by Jagex:
• The Evolution of Comba...
nightmarerh pking with d claws:
• Runescape EOC High Ris...
video showcasing some crashing items during eoc timeline:
• Item Price Crashes - E...
rs3 2021, rs3 eoc player loss, osrs 2021, 2007scape, 07scape 2021, evolution of combat update

[@therunescapehistorian]

Discord server: discord.gg/TxAK5Xyp Not perfect in every aspect, nor did I cover every single aspect. Just a general overview of the history of the initial release. Keep in mind that RS3 combat wise is in a much better state than it was upon the initital 2012 EOC release (imo). Thank you guys for watching & as always, my source videos are in the description with links to the original channels and videos.

[@givawnvasser6520]

It was well done, I miss the game so much I watch your videos more than I play the actual game now

[@therunescapehistorian]

Aww, thanks for that

[@patrixmatrix7163]

I was one of these people sadly..I played since classic days. I lost over 300million experience to rs3 from the original pre 07...fair to say I put my dummy back in when 2013 arrived and starting playing again. Great video and breakdown sir! Subscribed! 👍

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Wasn't the EoC update around the bot nuking update? I feel like that is a major reason for sudden drop of the number of active players, even today there are next to no bots in RS3.

[@bigbrisk8423]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 bot nuke was just fake accts getting slapped down by a dragon hand lol, jagex clearly had their own bots in game to pump their numbers up and keep the economy running. He'll they banned innocent non bot accounts teaching ppl what a bot was lmfao I know that because they taught me how to bot on their game, had 0 idea bots existed until they false banned me, needless to say I used multiple bots to fund my new acct back then

[@baska-]

On that day, every gaming company discovered something huge: if players aren't complaining, don't touch it. Touch it and you shall fail miserably.

[@bhh2100]

Fortnite?

[@Floridarollin]

Based pfp

[@pizzabear123]

Aka cod

[@pizzabear123]

Destroyed their own game due to stupidity and greed

[@alexanderkaracsony8830]

you even speak like sowell

[@wiebebolhuis9441]

The only update that has ever really cut the playerbase in half was botnuke day 😂

[@pvmchrisy]

i remember that day. runescape felt like a graveyard not a soul to be seen

[@1997Mclovin]

@@pvmchrisy red chins went up to 2.2k and I used that time to get 99 Hunter for my first set of bandos good times

[@bobetterknow]

@@1997Mclovin sounds awesome

[@Harrison1264]

this lmao

[@llVIU]

you should be glad you didn't post that comment on the official jagex twitch chat otherwise you'd get permabanned. Don't want anyone scrutinizing their "xxx accounts created!" propaganda. Yeah bot accounts created...

[@super1234567891011]

I quit the day EOC was launched and rejoined the day OSRS was created.

[@bigbrisk8423]

But to play osrs upon creation you needed membership for eoc lol, you played after it was created if that's the case

[@llVIU]

roughly same here sir, respect to you, did the right thing and thank you. Fuck rs3, hail osrs.

[@jame8618]

@@bigbrisk8423 yu can buy membership without logging onto the game mate, hope this helps

[@dikbuttbutt]

It definitely cut the player base way more than half. I'd say at LEAST 75% stopped playing within a year of that update.

[@BIanka0200]

I stopped playing before eoc came out. Then a few years after i got back on and it was literally a different game. Stayed for 3 minutes and then logged off again lmao. Never touched rs3 again after that. My childhood character that i had since 2009 is useless now. Gone

[@frosty7115]

The biggest mistake they made with Eoc was changing the main game, they should have released eoc on it’s own and leave rs2 in a similar state as rsc

[@volify_]

Yeah hindsight’s 20/20. That would’ve split their player base, which they didn’t want. But what they got..... oh boy did they fuck up.

[@frosty7115]

@@volify_ in a way but it would’ve given time for them to work on eoc from the ground up not with a bunch of max players. Also the traffic on the eoc server would’ve been low so easy to handle.

[@RSClassicAngel]

@@volify_ ironic because that's what happened anyway lol

[@volify_]

@@RSClassicAngel yeah they really fucked up the whole plan somewhere along the way

[@Blittsplitt5]

Bro it's a MMO, it's supposed to fucking change. They can't have 4 different versions of the same game running at the same time. That splits up dev time, staff, resources, and the playerbase.

[@ajjabajja9155]

the worst thing about eoc is having to make a new account just for nostalgia, coming back and grinding everything up again 9 years later feels odd.

[@LG1ikLx]

The reason it failed was because before you could relax and kill NPCs then it suddenly became a game where you had to button mash your keyboard every time you wanted to kill something.

[@freackenawesome]

Eoc on original launch pretty much killed the pvp community over night. They destroyed special attack weapons, and chaged weild requirements on common gear (ie iron armour to level 10 defense, and rune to level 50).

[@Blittsplitt5]

They made the level reqs make sense. Same thing the OSRS devs are doing right now with equipment rebalancing. OOOHHHH NOOO THE HORROR RUNE LEVEL 50 HOW WILL I RECOVER?!?!?!?!

[@tyfhg1]

@@Blittsplitt5 Smooth brain take. The PVP community's foundation is people knowing how to do it. That means builds that have coherent stats and items that go together to achieve a certain goal. The rug was ripped out from underneath the PVP community when OEC was released because that kind of stuff takes time and willingness to adjust to. There was neither so the community died. It's not difficult to understand, and you pretending people were foaming at the mouth raging about it instead of moving to private servers where they can manually adjust stats and get straight to pvping anyways is just nonsense and makes you look like a moron.

[@SpiralPowerGaming]

@@Blittsplitt5 Can you not understand other peoples point of view? Is your empathy that lacking? Do you really think that his issue is that they made rune armour 50 defence? Yes they changed it and people weren’t happy about it. Because all of the pvp accounts, everything the community had come to love, everything about this special little niche was destroyed in one update. Pures? Gone. PVP? Gone. Iconic weapons? Gone. That’s the issue man, and they nearly lost the company for it. Meanwhile you’re sat there being like “Oh well it just makes sense.” As if it wasn’t the equivalent to blowing their foot off with a shotgun because a prosthesis might make them run faster.

[@robertasvaicius4437]

Runescapes combat is already complex if you get good at it, but it's simple to pick up. This was just someone higher up going "can we make this game similar to others so we can milk it more".

[@DedodTwo]

On the release day of EoC my friend was walking around Draynor when he found an offhand dragon claw on the ground. People were just done with the game at that point. I also remember running into the wilderness revenant dungeon completely naked and killing a bunch of revenants without food using magic abilities.

[@zacharykoppinger9835]

Yeah eoc was broken, I tried legacy for a while till osrs came out.

[@nicktheplumber241]

I tried so hard to enjoy the EOC. I just felt like I was in love with some thing that got taken away from me. After about a month I terminated my membership and did other things until old school came out. Crazy times

[@therunescapehistorian]

Man, I tried for all of a few hours upon release and just really disliked it. I still had a lot of bitterness about losing friends etc over it but yeah

[@The_JEB]

I personally didnt mind it, but i also understood why people were mad about it. Was pretty easy to get 99 magic though, did it in the daganoths on waterbirth island, it was multi combat and when I used the ultimate abilities i'd get 10k+ xp drops, was quite amusing.

[@Alex-bw6yd]

It was pretty bad when it first released but RS3 ironed out 99 percent of the kinks and they game is a ton of fun. Cannot stop playing it. Highly recommend making a casual account and giving it a try.

[@gamermaster16508]

I tried hard to like it as well, I had a 7+ year account that i didn't want to quit on but EOC was too dogshit for me to enjoy.

[@BarkingUpATree]

I dropped everything at the GE the day before the eoc update. The market was shit and my bank value was down 900%. As soon as I got on and saw my whip was less then 200k that was the straw. All my hard work and items devalued to nothing. An Over 200m bank work pennies to what it was. I never felt so mad. Especially because it's an update literally no one asked for. 90% of the community complains and they respond with a "you don't know if you'll like it until you try". Runescape HD was amazing and as far as the "better more modern of a game" it should have went. It was perfect. All they needed was polling like in osrs and it would have been a flawless game. [Not include the ddos's or dc's]

[@thomasblevins5787]

They also changed the items lost of death mechanics. During the first bit of EOC I actually lost my fire cape for good when pvping, I logged out and just quit for good.

[@llVIU]

it was a sign from zeus, he did you a favor. Be thankful.

[@eis-bl4xw]

I almost 99 untrimmed slayer right when eoc came out. I willed myself to get 99 slayer in eoc then quit lol.

[@therunescapehistorian]

Damnnn, at least u got it

[@CB-rv2lj]

I was going for 99 mage, my first actual 99 besides 99 cooking. No botting, I alched 10's of thousands of magic longbows. Got to 97. Stopped when EOC came out. Never got my mage cape. But I do have 99 range now in oldschool.

[@thekyleprojekt7996]

Screenshots or you're lying

[@LG-ro5le]

Thats unlucky, jagex seriously shot themselves in the foot that day they released eoc, has to be one of the most tragic decisions a gaming company has ever made. Just why would you introduce a copy cat version of world of warcraft’s abilities system into a game that had its own identity & is completely different 🤦‍♂️

[@ilyrana]

@@LG-ro5le if they never did a combat update half of the playerbase would have quit regardless. since they started making it due to complaints and people leaving. the big issue is that they rushed it and didn't listen to feedback. wich got better over the years after release also its nothing like wow "can only say this if you actually played both" not even slightly simular

[@TJR-ju8dj]

Man, i remember when this happened. I was in 10th grade. That shit reallt changed it for me. I remember F2P PKing was dead , and just PKing in general. I did not even want to play it. Then i tried to play EoC and I stopped playing until osrs 2019.

[@therunescapehistorian]

It was a crazy time. I also really disliked it upon the initial release, couldnt play any further until osrs released in 2013ish

[@puffycombs6531]

@@therunescapehistorian Another thing was lvl req changes to certain armor pieces, all i did was pk and when that update hit most of my accounts couldn't wear the gear i used the day prior. Idk if thats still the case today, as i refunded my mems that very same day and never came back to that game.

[@jennatails5752]

I miss f2p multi pking so much it’s not even a thing anymore :(

[@Onlythefacts]

@@therunescapehistorian i still hate it but play rs3 bcuz i own rares and like to merch on it

[@PRDXCOD]

@@jennatails5752 it is a thing, Rs Zenith cc

[@Azletrack]

RIP golden era runescape, I loved dungeoneering and curses

[@mahito2570]

2006 was golden era but each to their own opinion

[@Azletrack]

@@mahito2570 that's true, I love pretty much every version of runescape up until eoc, for me it was when I could do dungeoneering with my buddies but to the next guy it might be killing the kbd with a d long lol

[@mahito2570]

@@Azletrack that's valid everyone has their preferences dont get me wrong i loved chaotics and soulsplit but the way osrs is now i kinda like it that way and get scared about rs3 and mictrotransactions ever hitting the game and i hope it doesnt

[@Azletrack]

@@mahito2570 true modern osrs is definitely the best version of RS I've played, it's the perfect balance of having fun but still gaining xp and getting accomplishments

[@mahito2570]

@@Azletrack plus ironman mode is fun af

[@luckyluciano5733]

The eoc was the last nail in the coffin. The changes to the look of regular armor and dragon armor. Other stupid changes. I had already quit and the eoc kept me from coming back. It was literally a case of.. i dont know what to do in this game anymore. Its not fun. No more safe spotting certain monsters with range or mage. Its just not runescape anymore.

[@Rudgged]

I quit playing once EOC came out. My friend told me about legacy mode once that hit and I came back. But it wasn’t the same. OSRS came, and I was ready to grind again

[@texmexman1]

That window where we had free trade and pre EOC I was loving the game almost as much as I did 06-07 but yeah that killed it all for me for sure, thankfully lol

[@omegahaxors9-11]

The biggest problem with eoc that exists to this day is the pacing. It expected you to input multiple things per tick which completely destroyed the engine. If it were treated as faster special attacks it would have gone over a lot better but their investors were pressuring them to become a wow clone so they had to throw out all that history and make a shittier experience. The homogenization sucked too. Even now weapons don't stand out against each other and it took a whole failed update to attempt and give the various weapons distinct attributes. Ironically the reason it never came out is because it homogenized the weapons further.

[@therunescapehistorian]

Yeah this is another good point that holds up. Fully agree on the weapons too

[@jmtrad1906]

As a new RS3 player I need to agree that asking multiple inputs in a game that works with a 0.6 tick sucks ass. I only play the Revo++ that attacks are automatic because I can't enjoy going manual in this game. And because of that I can't fight majority of bosses properly. Is my worst experience with the game.

[@Quasarcool]

I think you may be being slightly hyperbolic by saying " It expected you to input multiple things per tick", A Global cooldown(GCD) in RS3 is 1.8 secs or 3 ticks, so you can play full manual inputting one ability every 3 ticks. However some abilities are longer than the GCD, So in practice your inputs are fewer than 1 every GCD. Also most of the player base use some version of revolution, which can be set automatically fire all abilities with zero inputs or be tailored to only fire basic abilities with player inputs for thresholds and ultimate's, again greatly reducing the amount of player needed inputs below 1 per GCD. However I agree that they homogenized the weapons/playstyles too much at the release of EOC. Jagex in recent times have however done a much better job making the combat styles/weapons unique and you have various playstyles that exist nowadays.

[@matthewoconnor2742]

EOC is in a good spot now (took a while) but the tick-based engine is still a problem. If they could speed up game ticks and remove dead clicks it might finally feel nice

[@RsDeepHalo]

As much as I love osrs and pre eoc runescape, I’m finding myself playing rs3 way more now. Osrs just reals like all I have left to do is grind 99s and do the same bosses over and over and over again. Rs3 has a MUCH better quality of life feeling to it and the less grindy aspect makes the game really fun. It’s a shame that most mini games are pretty much dead as they were fun as fuck. The truth is that osrs has a really shit endgame when you consider the time it takes to get there without completely no lifing it

[@calummcleod9791]

Osrs has plenty of end game. It's only limiting to players who have an unhealthy amount of time to play the game...

[@VGInterviews]

I see what you mean, and I've tried to get into RS3 seriously at least 3 times and 3 times I've been drawn away from it, OSRS made a good job in letting you figure everything out slow so the early game is very user friendly (the end does become a grindfest where you need to become a 3 tick master in optimizarion to "enjoy" the game) But the openning of RS3 is so long and convoluted, you can't walk 3 steps without getting a new quest, yet everything seems to be already solved for you so theres no satisfaction and the whole ability system just makes it feel like a WoW ripoff like many other games where half of your screen is covered by random ability icons I've never got a 99 on osrs but I did manage to get a quest cape with Song of the Elves and DS2 which was my initial goal so I decided to quit and give RS3 another try but again, even with all the fancy graphics and mechanics it felt sooo generic and charmless, I reaaaally wanted to enjoy it this time

[@HippieJoe]

The ONLY update that Jagex DID NOT recover from. Even in 2023, RS3 player count is extremely low compared to 2012. This update truly killed the game.

[@dvelop4975]

Logged in to beta once and never looked back, kinda crazy thinking i spent like 4 years up to that point to just leave without a second thought lol

[@taraken4185]

You should definitely do a video on Jagex's biggest mistakes like how they accidentally made a normal world into a DMM world, the DMM tournments, the twisted bow incident etc. That would be an hilarious but good watch. Just looking back how much shit the game has went through is fun with the Ups, downs and "holy shit jagex what did you do."

[@matz0rz4o8]

This is where I lost all my friends IRL. They just simply said I can’t with the new combst. It’s too complicated .. and boom gone

[@givawnvasser6520]

This was the last time I grinded on RS, I miss it so much :(

[@therunescapehistorian]

:(

[@angrybob8126]

@@carlosperez9223 id say theres probably more urons now than legit players considering all the bots if not the same amount close

[@mm1k3y]

Eoc is sick. It's probably the main reason I still play the game. I was there when they changed it and was also angry but I have no idea why now. I forget.

[@mr4ak786]

you know whats funny, all they had to do was speed up the normal combat system a bit and add hotkeys to eat food, cast vengeance, or summoning pet spec etc. it could've been endless content.

[@MbMageBank]

You sir, deserve way more recognition. These must take a while to make and you upload so frequently.

[@HashTheGrappler]

I gave rs3 a fighting chance 2 weeks ago, and I must say; with all the updates over the years, it's a whole different game and I rather enjoy it. Granted my old pre-eoc account was already decently leveled so I got to enjoy later game content asap.

[@therunescapehistorian]

Yeah that would make a huge difference. I started from scratch on an ironman in 2018 and had a fairly good time

[@cceproductions8435]

Logged in couldn’t even wear green dhide 😭 💀

[@Tracker947]

The microtransactions, especially the wheel, are what killed it for me last time I came back

[@ThatWeebyGamer]

Ability bars are the main reason I've never really been able to get into any other MMO, they never felt fun to me so I was really disappointed when I found one in Runescape back in the day, I wasn't really actively playing at the time but I remember logging on just thinking wtf, the graphic overhaul removed a lot of the charm or maybe just nostalgia, don't know or care. I love the low poly look of old-school and I'm glad it's here to stay, like a time capsule of a simpler time. I started osrs when it launched but only really got into it during the pandemic, I didn't want to restart all my progress, we're talking years of work. I was a big combat level 50 or so if I remember correctly, ironically when I got back into the game and committed to playing osrs I surpassed my RS3 stats in less than a month. Crazy how much easier it is to make progress as an adult, I guess 10 year old me just didn't have the patience for grinding. I remember seeing all the players at the GE wearing their Dragon armour and being so jealous because I didn't have the defense level to wear, to 10 year old me, dragon was the top, I had no clue about anything after that and tbh even now I'm not that familiar, my combat stats are in the 70s but I still just wear rune if I'm using melee, I'm more into magic so I usually just wear my bloodbark for PVE, got 99 magic the other day which was pretty hype, it my first 99 after playing for 17 years

[@Hi_Ryyydrums]

Ahhh yes after all these years I had actually forgot the main reason I quit playing and now I remember.😅

[@TheTotallyRealXiJinping]

I still have my EoC beta invitation in my bank

[@therunescapehistorian]

Loool

[@rayg0b00m]

They also made RS3 into some sort of dating website with how you can run around with only underwear on

[@therunescapehistorian]

Lol!

[@KillingDemons]

My entire friends list quit with this update. I still have my beta ticket in my bank. I played for 6 months after the release of eoc and couldn't take it anymore and quit.

[@holo_val]

It feels so wierd looking back on this because I kept playing through EOC with no issues. I'd been exploring other MMOs with abilities, and EOC felt very exciting because RS was becoming "modern". I knew at the time that EOC was divisive, but I never fully understood just how upsetting it was to so many people until years later.

[@SpiralPowerGaming]

Well, think of it this way. 1. If I wanted to play an mmo with hot keys, what was stopping me before from just going and playing an mmo with hot keys? 2. Now that I was forced to use the system, what do I do when the game to me was supposed to be a chill thing to do while I did other things like homework? 3. What do I do now that the one main focus I had for the game which was building pures and PVP is now effectively dead? The dozens of accounts I spent time on building, the items I’d worked so hard for, and the clans I’d become a part of. Gone in one update that I had zero say in. Meanwhile people were telling me it’s a good thing because the game was becoming more modernized. I’m not saying people were bad for enjoying it, I’m saying I’d sunk hundreds of hours into becoming very good in the old system, building accounts, risk fighting etc. and that all got ripped away from me. Of course I’m not going to continue playing that game or paying the upkeep for membership on a whole bunch of accounts. If I wanted WOW I would have been playing WOW.

[@danschultz999]

Because you were never a true RuneScape fan.

[@xMrjamjam]

Rs3 isnt runescape. You cant play rs3 and think of it as runescape it has to be treated as a totally different game entirely. Ruinedscape is a better name for it

[@areudead7]

i was a dh pker and i was pking and didnt even think of the update and the update happened and i walked into the wilderness with full dh set which was around 8-10M at the time or something and died to a 1 item with mage he just perma froze me and pretty much 3 hit me, long story short i logged off never to log back into EOC :)

[@therunescapehistorian]

Damn :(

[@Arthurocha]

I think that happened even to pvmers. I had a dagganoth task, logged in already pissed because I had just got my first chaotic weapon just 3 days earlier and the combat didn't give the same vibe when you hited those 600s, and went to do the task. Just as I dropped the ladder I got hit from everywhere and even using protection prayers it didn't work. I got back with a bag full of food and rushed to get my items back. After that I just logged out for 2 years. I still play rs3 to this day, But I still hate eoc to the core.

[@LG-ro5le]

Atleast EOC made jagex realise being dictators dosnt work, now we have the polling system, which isnt perfect but its better than nothing

[@The_JEB]

I never really did mind the EOC update, but I also had experience with other MMO's like Lord of the Rings Online so it wasnt that huge of a difference for me, what I didnt like about it however was like "yeah, so we're doing this now" and then also ignored people when the players said that there was bugs.

[@therunescapehistorian]

Yeah, lmao I actually played lotro 1-2 years ago to see how it holds up, wasnt bad

[@dantesanchez6348]

As someone who mainly plays RS3 but likes to keep tabs on OSRS I appreciate the more neutral stance you have in the video; making it very clear that the current version is vastly different from the one on release. Keep up the great work!

[@therunescapehistorian]

Thank ya! Yeah luckily I played an ironman very briefly on there in 2018, so no mtx etc and just experiencing the game and it wasnt too bad imo

[@tinygoat2531]

I stopped playing around 2010 2011. I remember the graphics were changing and this EOC was happening. I logged back in around 2013 the interface was different the graphics were different. No one on my friends list was on. I think I clicked once Just to see my guy move then I logged out. It don't make sense to grind on a game when you hate how it looks and don't enjoy the combat. I have thought about a return but rs3 looks too complicated and if I played old runescape again id feel like I'm living in the past and need to accept rs3. So I just watch vids

[@airriflemaniac]

Quit the moment eoc began, played since 2004

[@fatalalchemy602]

In hindsight im glad the EOC was released because without it we would have never seen OSRS which ended up taking the best version of the game in the best direction.

[@benstevenson1908]

I still can't believe they did this, it's almost like Jagex's decisions were outsourced to some boomer shareholders who don't know how videogames work. It's rare you see a company almost commit total suicide like this

[@zukodude487987]

I think what ruined it was not the combat system itself, but rather the fact that you were forced to now manually activate abilities to do something that used to be very afk and you had no legacy or revolution to rely on so that turned many off especially since you had no content that actually took advantage of this system so people felt like they had to put in more effort to play the same content that you used aka full manual no afk. It took them months before even 1 EoC related update came in, they were totally focusing on just the combat and no content alongside it Armor was unbalanced where arma became easy with t70 gear etc. Pvp became a nightmare without good knowledge on the abilities. Chatting during combat itself also suffered since you had to press enter each time you wanted to talk which was annoying, but it also meant that when you were typing you were losing dps so it became not only annoying to talk, but your kills and training suffered for it if you tried to.

[@j3gg]

I kept playing at the time and I have some fond memories especially of when Kalphite King got released. But I remember me and my clanmates just laughing at how ridiculously rushed it all felt. The update was 1000% not ready and it showed. I spent the majority of the latter half of 2012 abusing the actionbar for skilling and avoiding combat for the most part due to how broken it was. I was never opposed to the update but I was very much angry at how rushed it was and the effects rushing the update had on the playerbase.

[@anusthing]

I am actually very grateful for EOC because it made me quit RS and dedicate more time to studying and socializing.

[@warspearyoutube1809]

forgot to emphasis on MT-X on RS3 even though u mentioned it at the start nice videos man!!

[@dizzywhite4209]

rs3 as an ironman is actualy realy good imo

[@MrTearyOne]

I gave EOC a fair short for like 2 months. To be fair, the actual gameplay of EOC was interesting and a fresh quality of life update to an ancient system designed for 2002. What killed the game for me and what forced me to quit was not the EOC combat, but the aggressive and intrusive pay-to-win monetization that got implemented at the same time as EOC. Spin the prize wheel! Buy more spins! Buy faster xp! Buy a smoother experience! Daily rewards! Why haven't you paid for boosts yet?! That shit was awful and unavoidable and ruined the whole self-sufficient spirt of the game.

[@HavocParadox]

As a person that has earned the gamebreaker title for the 2000+ hours of beta testing on eoc id like to say one thing.. All of the gamebreakers that are my friends and took part in the beta had one thing in common.. though we all had our disagreements about different aspects of the combat changes.. We all agreed it was not ready for release and we all were very upset when it was forced to come out that November.

[@CJ_YT96]

I absolutely loved runescape and dreaded the eoc update. After 2 years of deciding I was done with the game I gave rs3 a shot and enjoyed it. Jagex at the time thought they could do bigger and better updates with a W.O.W combat system. Problem is that runescape is a totally different game and unique in its own way. Current day 07 is releasing banger pvm content.

[@annekedebruyn7797]

The thing that bothered me the most with these is that it was so unnecesary. People were looking for new content. The old system was what people liked because it was simple and different compared to MMORPGs such as WoW. I think that people would rather have new experiences than a new system that was flawed at release.

[@1x32x]

''The greatest thing ever to happen to Runescape'' Oh how wrong they were...

[@Fmlakita]

honestly i played oldschool on release to 2021 and i went back to rs3 and that shit is fire i aint gonna cap

[@theitatit]

Runescape died with release of grand exchange

[@baldrian22]

The eoc on release was a mess for sure. if it was the version that is now or simular that got released with legacy and revolution it would have been a lot better. specialy with legacy worlds etc to making it possible for the pkers etc.

[@therunescapehistorian]

Very true, wouldve worked out better for sure

[@EntitySteel]

No pker wants to use rs3's legacy combat mode. This is cope.

[@iamnotafraid]

How is it better now compared to before? I'm genuinely asking. I gave EOC probably a dozen chances many years ago because I truly wanted to like it but no matter how I tried to convince myself, it was nothing like the game I enjoyed. I hear people say this a lot though, that it's better now, I don't think I've heard an explanation as to why.

[@Thelaretus]

Reading the title I thought this was a video about the botnuke, which interested me. Turns out it's just another video about the EoC. My point of view is that when I started in 2010 I hated combat and considered quitting the game. I spammed the forums asking for better and interactive combat using keybound abilities, and lost interest in the game as my clan died in 2011. I returned for the EoC and stayed; best update in the game's history by far, as it corrected a fundamental problem.

[@cademulholland4599]

I had just gotten back into the game before the eoc update and I remember quitting so fast after it came out😂

[@Christopher_S]

Yeah, they pushed this update which to this day I still hate, yet something I was looking forward to (weapon diversity update) was scrapped. Both times without getting community feedback. Jagex (RS3) really don't think much of what little playerbase they still have left.

[@kentuckyproproductions1624]

It was so confusing. I had played from 2007 to 2012 with no quitting, immediately quit for two years and played on and off since then; I’ve only recently stuck with it again by playing old school. It was my first experience in life that taught me at any given point a bunch of idiot beurocrats can just come in at any moment and ruin something you love in the name sake of “progress”

[@Baratheon.]

Main problem was it was non-consensually forced on all the players. Especially when Jagex knew if they put a vote it'd be 80% of the player-base voting No. To stress - if player's wanted a EoC stylistic type game they'd play Warcraft, League or any of that similar generic trash Also removed aspects of the game an entire swathe of players revolved around (people in the PvP pking combat scene). it was dead on arrival, even though I played Rs3 until the Divination & interface update. Jagex even had the gall to say " we're doing you a favor introducing RS2 (2007), my buds" when really they had no choice as their game was in death grips and revenue streams of Rs3 were drying up due more than half the playerbase cancelling membership (hence the introduction of more and more Mircotransactions). They were loath to admit how badly they fucked up that's why they took so long to bring back RS2.

[@gregmoniz6452]

This is obv smallexplamp who took the sentiment “quality over quantity,” to a new level, because this guy has basically made a osrs guide for everything. Want to lose pet and get perm muted? He’s got a guide for that.. but seriously, all of his guides are are great

[@momokomo3]

RS3 is dead, nobody plays it anymore sadly. All players are at OSRS.

[@worldsear972]

Jagex won't admit it, but this shit right here murdered their game

[@Nyx__]

Reading the comments in this comment section makes me realize just how little OSRS players know about EOC. They tried it for a short time in 2012 when it was dogshit and never looked into it ever again. The amount of people who thinks the combat is even remotely similar to what was released in 2012 is disturbing. Maybe they should read up on it, before they critique it.

[@imbirdz9120]

Worst part about it personally, is a couple weeks earlier I had finally achieved my first 99. Which felt great. Then they completely changed the game, taking something i spent untold about of hours into and preferably destroyed the progress I was so devoted to over night. Well, actually it wasn't over night, I hated dungoneering, felt like it was a mini game they "turned into a skill", constitution didn't make sense and seemed redundant, summoning even eventually changed currency as a whole and devalued a lot of market... it was as if they just kept sewing the game up and screwing it up over and over and one day finally said, "fuck it lets change it all" and ripped the heart out of the game. Simplicity, the thing that made runescape fun was dead and gone..

[@TheGr8Espi]

I fucking love this Chanel 👌 I do miss how rs was just before the eoc was amazing

[@therunescapehistorian]

Thanks!!

[@sarphog]

I feel like while EoC was absolutely dogshit on its own, but it was the three straws that broke the camel's back. I remember just hating RuneScape every year after like 2009. Insane power creep, SoF, complete change in game style and feel, completely different type of quests (much more narrated. Some were very good though), and new and improved "catch up" skilling methods (runespan HOLY FUCK) I'm sticking to my OSRS, and while it has some blunders I'm really really really happy with it

[@plegianscum]

It's so depressing. I'm surprised Jagex played on EOC and thought it was okay. The Runescape engine has way to much response delay for EOC.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

EOC is the update RuneScape never truly recovered from

[@npcfrost4564]

Voice; Museum Curator Mouth; Moisture++ Microphone; 1mm from face Runescape Historian ASMR

[@RavenDumpster]

I didn't like eoc at first, but once I got used to it I eventually came to appreciate what it added to the game. I understand why people didn't like it or still don't like it, but RS3 has a unique depth to combat that I enjoy, but OSRS is also fun for its own reasons and has its own unique charm and nostalgia. Both games hold a huge place in my heart and I've been playing almost 20 years now

[@Mcskittelybiscuts]

had two pairs of dragon claws 24mil each sold both of them a week later 200k total, not joking they sold for high alch price

[@DerBarbarischeGermane]

I honestly enjoy both, OSRS and RS3. I play runescape since 2006 and still loving it. Now, with bosses like Zuk, Arch Glacor, Telos etc, you really can enjoy Pvming a lot. And Everyone, no matter how skilled they are, can enjoy it, due to the enrage systems. Some enjoy 100% Telos while others go for the challange to get to 4000%. But OSRS is great too. I enjoy running raids 1 hunting for T Bows or doing Slayer and skilling bosses :D At the end, everyone should play what he enjoys the most. Whenever i want some nice flow of a fight with knowing when to burst dps, when to rather grab a shield and use def abilities, then i go and do some Rs3 pvming :P

[@asiyaheibhlin]

It's like when Runescape introduced territories they were mimicking WoW and then with these skill "abilities" they were mimicking Diablo. It is like they couldn't see that the community loved Runescape for being Runescape and so Jagex spent a bunch of time and money into "botoxing" Runescape to look like other popular games in hopes that it would stay relevant..... - Player since 2004

[@21savage68]

When eoc released, I quit and played private servers lol

[@kain1131]

I played RS2 for 7 years before EOC update and the game was just completely ruined for me... out of anger I downloaded a fishing bot and used it on all my accounts until they got perm banned, looking back now this is one of my biggest regrets as I'd put through 1000's of hours of my life into these accounts

[@therunescapehistorian]

Damn, thats rough man. EOC definitely pissed a ton of people off (for good reason, the initial launch was so bad)

[@anthonyduguay8989]

I remember being around back then before and after the EOC, I remember hearing rumors that if you typed in "Mod marcdonalds" you'd get instantly perm muted. Is there any validity to this? None of my friends or myself ever dared doing it.

[@DungeonCrawlingMaster69]

I was one of the ones that quit when EOC came out but came back not too long after. It completely changed the game and made it what it is today. I wish it never came out still but Runescape is STILL the best MMO and probably always will be. The perfect blend of Ultima Online, World of Warcraft, etc.

[@superflux1654]

7:29 "the day runescape dies!", he knew whats up

[@KaiLily]

2010/2011/2012 was a really enjoyable time for runescape the only problem was the bots, they were rampant around then. i really enjoyed dungeoneering pre-eoc, and i probably would have played for years more had the update never have happened.

[@yws4645]

I quit RuneScape the first day that EoC happened and I never looked back

[@twistedfilms9712]

I like the Zelda music at the end!

[@Kitbats]

EOC killed PVP, but honestly PVP even in OSRS is dying.

[@tonyt2663]

First day of eoc was crazy, I remember doing nex in DH for a few days before they fixed it. DH was so o.p lmaooo

[@haydgotplayed9349]

I remember this I staked my Santa hat and bank and decided if I lost I would quit if I won I'd try and make it work. I lost the stake and quit until osrs was realised then I made bank on onyxs making Fury's with my mate he got 3rd age after a week and was rank 1 crafting for a while! 😂

[@jacksolarmusicmastering]

Problem with eoc is no pvp, soulwars and castle wars were amazing on eoc but no one plays them anymore somehow, without them I also can't find reason to play eoc

[@rodrigovelasquez9854]

It's 2024 and I'm still bitter about EOC. I would honestly return if they brought back prre-EOC (not Old School Runescape).

[@vivavillain6539]

the worst was jagex took away that feeling you get when you hit a new max, there was a grind and a feeling associated with being able to hit that 13 with a d long or whatever I dont even really remember . Also with: understanding timing, and strategy, and switching weapons , understanding armor stats, when to eat , when to pot, when to tele, buy sharks or swords based on price or your ability to fish hi lvl fish and many many more nuances and idiosyncrasies the original combat from rs2 was way more complicated than was probably thought internally.

[@Pietrosavr]

So true, I was leveling up a new account and I'm always confused what my max hit is, there is too many numbers and too many skills. I think there could possibly be a combat rework where there are only 2-4 essential skills. I think something like a combination between mobas 3 basic and 1 ultimate skill, and dark souls action combat would fit. We already have a block or evade animation when we get attacked, if we instead turned it into a skill so that timing was important, just that by itself would improve combat, with the option to automate it of course. There is no need for 50 skills to make combat engaging. Actually that's what I would do, add attack, block and evade options, with the possibility to automate them and keep the fourth attack for a special attack that comes from the weapon. That would be well integrated, keeping the max hit and everything without ruining anything.

[@andrewprahst2529]

It cut me in half.

[@ratzzzz2877]

Seeing all them turtles walking aroundand graphics bring back sum good memories

[@Asylus]

I had been taking a break when the update was added, i log back in like a year afterwards, and i see all the stuff that changed. I it was all really cool, then i tried to use the combat system, uninstalled on the spot.

[@ReformedJerry]

I quit when EOC came out. I had the urge to play OSRS but I can’t trust these fools again. I wasted 3 years of my life grinding to have them ruin the game I loved. OSRS has been a success as it’s been up for many years, but I still refuse to trust them.

[@Upup2211]

The EOC was pure crap, still is. But it spawned OSRS so it's hard to hate it. Runescape 3 was already going in the crapper because of their terrible decisions so it was nice to get another ship to hop into.

[@mysticolored]

im only a new player but what I can gleem from this essentially they MMOified it and made it too much like other mmos like WOW, which removed the uniqueness and versatility of the previous game. Without significant testing or transition period. too much things were changed which effected items usability and markets, base combat mechanics etc and made people completely uninterested in playing anymore. Seems like it has just proliferated into rs3 today. The saving grace is that without this event and gradual transitiion into the cookie cutter modern game, OSRS never would have been released with a different development perspective like the poll system.

[@hellowill]

Problem with EOC is it was simply an inferior version of other MMOs (WoW etc.). People played RS cause it was RS. If they wanted another MMO, why play Jagex's shitty version of it?

[@zac2035]

EOC made me quit. Didn't play for 5-8 years . Now play old school

[@starshineline]

Here's to Project Rebalance being EOC mark 2 🥳

[@Gaetano.94]

I was just thinking how much I missed Pking with my clan that had a bunch of 99 summoning pures like me, and then at 7:21, there it is. I'm going to cry!!!!:((((( Most of these guys were great friends that I have not talked to since this day. This is so sad omg..... Pixels if you ever see this, comment here bro.