The Valve Problem -

[@2nd_Slither]

I need to point out a quick observation I've made. A lot of people I see giving their thoughts on this situation are of the opinion that Valve shouldn't be held accountable for their actions, and that the community is entitled for wanting anything more out of Valve and this game. If you're one of these people, you're part of the problem. If you're content with TF2 remaining in the state that it is today, you're part of why Valve is choosing to do nothing about this situation. Not holding Valve accountable for their actions (or rather inactions) is the very thing that enables them to plug their ears to the community's concerns for this game. When you choose not to directly protest against Valve, you're telling them that it's okay for TF2 to remain in the state that it's in currently. Your pessimistic attitude tells Valve that it's okay to let this community be tarnished by people who not only cheat in-game, but even dox and swat people who oppose them like what happened to MegaScatterBomb. By not protesting this disgusting behavior, you are validating Valve's decision not to fight against it, you are enabling the ones behind this issue, and in doing so, you perpetuate the toxicity and criminal activity that the community has been suffering from for the better part of a decade. So in closing, if you're one of these people who think it's okay to allow this toxic, and even straight-up criminal activity to prosper in the TF2 space, do us all a favor and get the fuck out of our community. Nobody wants you here, and nobody agrees with you.

[@gansterchompernoscopeblazit]

Thank you for saying this there are handful toxic people who keep saying nobody cares but everyone should care because this isn’t going to just stop at team fortress 2 what if happens to the new game that’s coming out soon I mean it’s also happening too CS2

[@CoolSs]

@@gansterchompernoscopeblazit this why i love this quote "Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects." honestly, the naysayers and doomers are such toxic people. we should make fun of them. they care more about telling you to not care then caring about doing something productive. like, when did sitting and doing nothing get us anywhere ? in the thousand years since human exist. we do get anywhere by doing nothing and failing many times, then things will work out. it take time effort and most importantly, STRONG WILL.

[@jecksfoxofficial]

People really think valve did nothing wrong? (Indeed did nothing lmao)

[@g_2.]

I met the bot escape the matricx befor in moltipal lobbes

[@D-N-0]

gold words along side the best video about #FixTF2 i saw

[@C40dude]

"Tf2 and cs2 are botted." Valve: "Yeah, its time to work on new game"

[@D-N-0]

Ya know, i fucking bet this new game will be their first shit game. At least if compared to every other game they created

[@Clovernoris]

@@D-N-0 Indeed, CS2's launch wasn't pretty, doubt the next one will be any smoother. I hope you're right, Valve needs a wake up call

[@evdestroy5304]

​@@D-N-0Artifact

[@C40dude]

@@D-N-0 half life source

[@D-N-0]

@@evdestroy5304 what the fuck is that?

[@TheCrappyCompletionist]

Keep in mind - "getting mad" isn't the same as "send deaththreats". Be upset and demand change, but don't be a dick and uncivil.

[@2nd_Slither]

Agreed

[@silvorthegrand6976]

This yes

[@mechanicalgamingscrapstudi7763]

Get mad but don't burn their house down with the lemons

[@truefupu]

2:25, you're not sorry until you killbind

[@jdyl9412]

The angrier this man gets the worse the bitrate gets

[@davidmingle5910]

he's so angry he's scaring the pixels away

[@CoolSs]

“Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects.” - Kreia, Chris Avellone We been silenced for way too long and we really deserve better, i don't care "it's 17 years old game". i play it, i put money in it and Valve is milking it when it's unplayable. this is unacceptable.

[@jecksfoxofficial]

Valve Lost to basement discord mods with too much free time

[@delroku]

Except Valve is making a shit ton of money without doing a single thing anyway If that's losing Damn, i wish i was that much of a loser.

[@The_toasty.]

@@delrokuthat’s not the point it’s that valve has taken us for granted for too long and we are tired of it

[@D-N-0]

@@delroku if thats not a way to stop making a shit ton of money, then humanity is doomed

[@UghhhVinyl]

Hii guys remember to leave a negative review on all valve games until they fix it 😊

[@jecksfoxofficial]

@@UghhhVinyl I did it on tf2 lmao

[@xlmtap1192]

2:20 , that was dirty? That's the understatement of the century, you VIOLATED that man!

[@D-N-0]

"my name is slithering pyro", dang, your parents are wild

[@Clovernoris]

You fucking nailed it. Tired of the legion of gamers out there pretending that the Valve of today is the same Valve that brought us the Orange Box. Modern Valve has become just as greedy as any other giant game developer with none of the efficiency. Its a fucking joke and Gabe ought to be ashamed of what his company has become. Tired of pretending to be impressed by VR headsets no one can afford. Tired of hearing about the SteamDeck. Valve, Fix Tf2. Its literally the least you can do at this point.

[@Jakk0]

2:22 okay, that was gross

[@guessimissedthelz32]

ya man why ;-;

[@C.O.A.L]

The Max Payne music as soon as you started to talk to Valve directly went hard

[@SydneyPawYT]

I am a player who joined recently a couple years ago mid bot crisis i have fallen in love with the game the state its currently in is apalling i will fight to Fix TF2 I will stand like everyone in this community and hold our hands up strong and demand valve take action We will fight, we will not go out silently #FixTF2 #SaveTF2

[@sappirth4424]

Man i gotta say is this is a tragedy, from the time i started playing this game back in jungle inferno (7 years ago) this has been an issue. I remember the first match i ever played was BOMBARDED with mic spamming bots and at first sight i had thought it was normal tf2 activity but soon after it was actually bots the whole time. Ever since then its never been "Fun" ive tried to out source to other games and such but I most of the time end up going to tf2 because it has an amazing returning feel. But it DOESN'T HAVE A RETURNING FEEL IF THERE'S BOTS IN MOSTLY EVERY MATCH. I really hope this movement comes to fruition although the execution of everything is going to be hard, that doesn't mean we wont try. #fixtf2

[@D-N-0]

i said this multiple times under a bunch of videos, but let me say it one more billion times. THE multi-billion company that progressively LOSING to some fucking BASEMENT KIDS

[@evdestroy5304]

They are not "losing", they still make money off of TF2. Ever considered the fact that all the bots have premium accounts, meaning Valve gets paid for every bot account?

[@D-N-0]

@@evdestroy5304 may i just tell you that not fighting = lose by fucking default? Why the fuck i always have to tell those doomers such an obvious thing?

[@Fighter_Blue]

@@D-N-0 Basement dwellers have no life and can bot all day long every day. Valve employees don't work 24/7.

[@gudmansal3468]

@@evdestroy5304 also, some of the bots are just fake premiums that trick the game into giving them the premium voicelines

[@smugism1685]

Careful! You'll anger the feral den of reddit! They don't like it when you insult their favorite muti billion dollar company.

[@Ledplous]

2:28 goes against all the basis of the Genova convention.

[@dominickroberts913]

Valve is poopy

[@darealgreyskale]

valve is a ploopy

[@Ledplous]

For real man, you were direct and transmitted the message effectively.

[@Bispo302]

The anger you felt in this video perfectly explains how im feeling

[@SkyeAkaJamie]

I started playing this game at 13 years old. It was the first game I got on my first computer. Not long after it became one of my special interests. I love TF2 to death. It’s nice to hear someone be just as passionate for the game as I am. I hate that the game has gotten to this point and the fear of the game becoming unplayable because of these issues or people moving on from the game leaves me with genuine distraught.

[@SirJad_]

I miss this old kind of rant content. Modern people who complain about things on here do it in the most milk toast nonconfrontational way possible.

[@parkermarker742]

Valve needs to be held accountable for what happened to megascatterbomb and others. Thewhatshow made such an amazing video, I hope it reaches gaming news outlets because Valve should be in trouble for that crap. Before anyone says it's a dead game, they're still monetizing it, monetizing a game which will cause players to lose their accounts when they receive a golden frying pan if they aren't prepared. Shame on Valve, I am very angry.

[@luigiplayer1547]

Awesome video, great and true points, and nasty I mean NASTY pyro gameplay

[@sevendeadlysquids404]

Zesty Jesus’ video and Wheezy’s video were made independently. It just so happened that they came out at the same time. The fact that two creators decided to put a big effort into addressing it at the same time shows how bad of a problem it has become

[@DoctorVoni]

We've reached over 50k signatures, let's fucking get them to listen!

[@VaultInteractive]

Heres one thing thats commonly misunderstood about Valve. There is a limit to what the hierarchy at Valve will allow you to work on. That limit being TF2 and other miscellaneous projects. So ultimately even if someone tried to get into Valve and work on tf2, they would be heavily pushed away from the project or outright denied from doing so. Blame the higher ups the most.

[@Krona-fb4dn]

I think what boils my blood the most is that the most obvious solution was tried but actually rejected. Which was the fan Source 2 port. Valve has not cared for TF2 for a very long time, but not enough to let go of the IP and simply let fans have control over it as would be perfect.

[@Labyrinth6000]

YEAH! THAT'S HOW YOU EXPRESS HOW MAD WE ARE!!!

[@iveseenyourface5404]

2:56 "We've given this company chance, after chance, after chance, and each and every time we do, they manage to squander their opportunity for redemption" Remember when the MYM beta rolled out, and all of Competitive Mode's flaws were pointed out immediately, and they still did nothing with the immense amount of feedback and criticism, ignored it, and just pushed it out as it is? They literally did nothing to fix it

[@genericidiotll]

The sheer vitriol (idk if im using that term right) the sheer venom in that speech, its real, you are deeply invested in this, i respect you if you are reading this, i respect you,and god, damn, fuck valve, #fixtf2

[@combustible6273]

not bad editing! looking forward to seeing more of your videos +1 sub

[@2nd_Slither]

Thank you so much, I’ll do my best 🎉

[@combustible6273]

@@2nd_Slither

[@ohohmemez2175]

underrated youtuber, you just got a sub!

[@Nomaph]

the TF2 Fanbase is one of, if not, the most unique and dedicated fanbase ever. These are the kind of fans every company ever wishes they could have. #Fixtf2

[@JohnFranklin1184]

I want to say all these words so fucking badly, valve is just so greedy, only updates they give for tf2 is microtrsnaction's only looking for money, and thats it they let such a masterpiece be butchered and brutalized by ill intentioned people, the fact that many other games wish their fanbase was just like tf2's yet valve just does microtrsnaction, and most if not all the content they add to tf2 is legit stolen from the community, and their just ignoring the state of the game they should be ashamed of themselves, people love this game so much and their just petting it die

[@2nd_Slither]

The content from the steam workshop isn’t stolen as the contributors who have their items added to the game get paid for their additions, but aside from that yeah I have to agree

[@Rat_S]

why the fuck would i buy deadlock if i know it's more than likely going to end up like tf2?

[@RussianCollapse]

besides getting a bit too personal with their workers, this video is completely based and points out exactly what should be pointed at.

[@Someguyigidk]

The valve has already breached our defenses

[@zair1604]

Couldn't have said it any better.

[@purpleguy-bu5fe]

Commenting for the algorithm 🔥🗣️ #FixTF2 #SaveTF2

[@henseltbrumbleburg3752]

#FixTF2 over 100k on the petition!

[@frozenpopcorn244]

I’m not Joe Biden but I still approve this message

[@the_something_something]

A normal person approving something is more than Joe Biden doing it bc at least you know what you’re approving

[@the_something_something]

aka you’re worth more than the president

[@davidmingle5910]

@@the_something_something yeah, sleepy Joe approving something means less than nothing

[@Demmonzir3]

i just notice at the very start that he has seen the video abou the tf2 buuble

[@2nd_Slither]

Damn straight I have! xD

[@aenturamoocher]

lowkey just tempted to go to college for gaming development just to get hired by valve and fix tf2 myself.

[@1964catt]

I support this movement, but I have not played casual in about 3 years or so I just play community servers now.

[@michaelquintana2590]

This video is much funnier than I think was intended

[@puccarocks123]

Valve should have ditched or at least seriously scaled back their "let employees work on whatever they want" policy years ago. It may have worked a long time ago, and freedom of choice is always a great thing, but things are so vastly different now compared to their earlier days. They've grown to the point where they have so many things they're responsible for and there just isn't room to let every employee do whatever they want anymore. People procrastinate, look at things that are broken and they cringe, saying "I'll deal with that later," or "I'll let someone else fix that." It's human nature. That's why you have to assign responsibilities within a company, or else huge messes like this will result. Some of them may not like it, but with so many "customers" using your products or services (in this case it's us playing their game) there needs to be some standard for quality of user experience. TF2 has dropped far below that point, and it's been that way for too long. Valve needs to suck it up and change their attitude, because this is just unacceptable.

[@boris3335]

damn, the jpeg quality of the video is fire

[@theonlyatlas]

hey real quick i see that the quality gets bad when you move in game if you are useing obs go to settings then output then recording then click on video encoder and switch it around till its fixed! just a tip also the videos good :D

[@2nd_Slither]

Thanks a lot, I’ll try that out and see if it helps ;)

[@ThrillerXero]

Tf2 needs some official support

[@SonicSanctuary]

you fucking tell them mate

[@Mardenii1]

Well said.

[@luigiplayer1547]

Unfortunately the website is not working, weezy said there are 54000 signatures requested but only 15000 have confirmed because nobody is getting the confirmation email

[@2nd_Slither]

Yeah I hear that’s because people are using G-mail, hopefully they can get that fixed

[@notawizard6714]

It is fixed now! Check the website!

[@davidmingle5910]

they added an option to sign in directly with your google account, bypassing the confirmation. its up to almost 60k confirmations now.

[@duoquendo]

brother, pump up that bit rate

[@2nd_Slither]

Watch in 144p for the true experience

[@DogggZilla]

LET HIM COOK

[@CoolSs]

My only regret, that the community didn't speak up back in 2018 when Valve effectively throw their hands down after two big failures OF THEIR OWN MAKING (2018 is basically end of support with blue moon update, oddly it been 6 years since then and deadlock been in development as long) Valve failure to force tf2 to become competitive when the game is unfit for it. IS the first mistake. Then they doubled down with jungle inferno after one year of radio silence (the game was hardly playable) And when many of the players who returned to tf2 after they left because of casual mode and MYM. Saw that Valve either too proud or delusional to revert tf2 to it old state and give us Quickplay back. they left and the player count hit it historical lowest. Then Valve had the hubris entering cash grab mode with tf2 after they ruined the game. I hate the fat that no big community figure at the time had any backbone to speak up. one video is not enough, we as community should have mobilized asking for Quick Play back and tf2 fixed. If tf2 was actually playable and have Quickplay. maybe the game could have grown, not CS numbers of course but a growth is a growth and better then the state of stagnation we in. #Fixtf2 #AddQuickPlayBack #RevertTF2toPreMYM Here is a white pill. tf2 negative reviews the past few days hit like 1700, the worst tf2 got in short period was MYM and they were like ~1800. tf2 recent reviews used to be like 83% now it's 76%. it seem it drop by ~2% every day. Keep the pressure, Apathy and doing nothing got us no where. i don't care if we don't see immediate changes, Valve is a slow rolling beast. i see many say the first savetf2 failed. I do agree it failed in terms of delivering the right message but to expect Valve to fix tf2 on the first try or them immediately doing it is such a childish way of thinking. here small nitpick of the video, it's such weird thing to see low quality gameplay with amazing audio. It's like a silver tongue homeless guy who speak softly with sweet words. (please don't take it the wrong way)

[@2nd_Slither]

Sorry for the low video quality, I have a really shitty monitor that doesn't allow me to record in higher quality which affects the video's recording, though I will be getting a new one soon ;)

[@SamuelNarvaez1]

#fixtf2 #savetf2 lets do this

[@st4rtr4in]

My man's actually popping off with pyro lol he's actually pretty good

[@TheManinBlack9054]

I signed this petition 3 times!

[@scatteringsparks]

i got a plan, let's steal the valve, then they'll care

[@supertrolle9555]

great video!

[@GCJACK83]

Something to keep in mind: Anyone who so much as buys a single crate key for TF2, is a PAYING customer. Valve's customer service is shit-tier. So much so that it DOESN'T EXIST.

[@StupidityNotIncluded]

Feeding the youtube algorithm a comment for better traction.

[@rockowlgamer631]

I've been playing since Janurary 2014 and this negligence from Valve is beyond frustrating, if you're selling cosmetics and war paints for this game it is by obligation to keep the game running properly, so do your damn job Valve.

[@no.8969]

The only way for them to actually fix tf2 is probably the community being the biggest pain in their asses I guess...

[@2nd_Slither]

Yeah that’s basically the goal with #FixTF2 is to make Valve look as bad as publicly possible. They’re a multi-billion dollar company, they can handle it 😅

[@davidmingle5910]

Bad Publicity is the best tool we have. #FixTF2

[@zachleblanc3476]

please record at a higher bitrate.

[@2nd_Slither]

Eh, don't feel like it

[@churchilla5511]

If Valve continues to profit off of TF2, they have an obligation to consumers that it functions as advertised. #fixTF2

[@H2007IQ]

Valve devs should stop creating multiplayer games if they refuse to maintain them

[@zeenderman6772]

great video

[@randomstockphotos2348]

If anyone can prosper it’s the tf2 community

[@DeimosWhitesnake]

WE WILL MAKE A CHANGE!!!!! #FixTF2

[@SolarSillySolace]

The date being June 3rd is really cool to me because the 2nd is my birthday and the 4th is my mom’s birthday, it is bound to be a success :D

[@christianwright7581]

11:07 What the hell even is that song that's playing?

[@AllMostOliver]

with valve doing deadlock, that's most likely meaning they have fully given up on tf2 at this point.

[@notawizard6714]

Deadlock will have the same problems if nothing is changed. CS2 also has bot problems which they are not getting enough support for.

[@AllMostOliver]

@@notawizard6714 people still gonna play despite that, only real downfall they made was artifact

[@notawizard6714]

@@AllMostOliver And they should be able to enjoy higher quality gameplay. To get the playable experiences that they were advertised. To not have basement dwellers profit off the player base’s misery and the company’s negligence to fix it.

[@reeceulf]

Guys I don't wanna make any assumptions but I think this might not be a TF2 focused channel. Massive revelation, I know.

[@leepik28]

9:28 also dont send bombs to thier hq i know this wont fix the problem allrigt?

[@furious_445]

Very good vidro

[@blazie42069]

The fact no bot fixes and any major content with no new weapons, bot fixes, or balance changes in years is appalling

[@bigfella4546]

I honestly think that if Valve doesn't respond to #fixtf2 in a satisfactory way (which they probably won't) we should migrate to community servers.

[@evandrofilipe1526]

#FixTF2

[@randomjonas-f8w]

I started playing the game 2010, i stopped playing because of the bots.

[@KurtOng37]

#FixTF2🥖

[@needyjay6318]

this guy drops the F bombs so hard. As he should

[@יותםזיק]

I feel like I must say a few things. TF2 is my favorite game and at this point it's a part of who I am. I personally think cheating is hardly our biggest problem. Uncletopia exists and works great at least for me. Our problem is neglect in non map content. TF2 feels like the best game in the world when you discover new ways to play. Basically we need balance changes. That is what makes this game breathe. And to make that a reality we need our plan to insensitive that. We need to outlay the profit route in hiring and enabling a new dev team. Our petition needs to also ask people if they will be willing to pay for am update pass similar to jungle inferno and how much will they consider fair to charge for it. If you can get 30000 signatures on a 15$ pass for a quality update that's a potential profit of 450000$ so if you pay a team of four people a month each 15000$ for half a year you'll make some 25000$ in profit. We should raise from our community four such people that can even be considered a separate entity to valve so we could support them directly should that be necessary. And of course keep track on them. Personally I will be very happy to pay even 20$ for the heavy update pass or an overhaul to the competitive matchmaking system. getting rid of cheaters in casual feels more like a nice bonus then the reason I'll actually open my wallet. And let it clear to everyone: IF THEY WON'T EXPECT A PROFIT FROM GIVING TF2 SUPPORT IT WON'T GET ANY EVER AGAIN

[@orangu06]

72 subs? damn im 73rd sub

[@BohemiaFortressTF2cz]

Valve doenst understand TF2 anymore, but they should people from community, who actually understands the code better. Or they have some fixes, that can improve game, but the V.A.C (Valve allows cheats). Yeah, that is their responsibility

[@nihili4196]

We need to make Valve realize one thing.... The've created a community of fans that want them to fix their old games, that is rabid, loud, and is derranged enough that if they'll be left alone for too long, they will make sure to bomb any new shit project they'll release. That Stalemate game or hoever it is called? We will make sure EVERY single gaming news site, youtuber and whatever will know and remember to report that Valve let "Nword killer" bots roam their game for year, that they never got rid of the bots at all, and that they still monetized that game. That they will leave any game project to die if they'll get bored. Thet they still have episode 3 of HALF-LIFE to release. We will make their neglegence their problem. Save TF2 was nice attempt at being reasonable, but it seems we need to be unreasonable. I want to go ahead and apologise to that one potted plant still working on the game in their free time, they deserve all the love community can give... But when you're in relationship this toxic with your game studio, there is not much love left really. Still, we don't mean to send death threats to any person. Let's just make sure Valve learn that leaving people hanging is not cash money move

[@Aditya_Gpt]

#ShameonValve

[@LK_Conan]

Wait this isnt 2klicksfilip

[@shandaniel2999]

Algorithm booster comment.

[@ThrillerXero]

Valve is literally just like how Mojang treats Minecraft

[@klipsfilmsmelbourne]

Limiting sniper class in casual won't work bots can change class to ruin in medieval mode I encounter heavy bots with critz boxing gloves its superhard to kill it it was couple years ago. I thought maybe casual sniper should be limited to two so bots can't have as many just to slow down bots Bots able to votekick if votekick was pay to access like voicechat was pay to access it would be dumb idea but that would slow down bots

[@davidmingle5910]

well, sniper is op, but thats not the issue. We just want Valve to put in an anticheat, beacuse VAC is not an anticheat, its a suggestion. #FixTF2

[@TF2Sci]

Pyrois

[@sectorino1454]

Lets leak deadlock

[@Zippoguy338]

valve: adds ways to spend money on their game also valve: leaves the game unplayable so waste of $ (mostly except community servers)

[@MetalSkeletonViking]

i been part of fixtf2

[@AshleysBrother]

i hate valve

[@mynameisMinos]

Pyro main complaining and crying (but seriously, you say good things)

[@bendysans1473]

I signed it 3 times by accident

[@sarcasticmcspastic]

I've been boycotting steam as a service since that video on player numbers dropped I'm still playing my current games but man I did NOT buy a steam deck to play TF2 in this state.