The Venus Project And The Resource-Based Economy | Answers With Joe

[@jordanchendricks]

A concept I loved from the Venus Project is that it’s not a Utopia because it’s based on the scientific method which is technically always evolving. Just makes it feel more tangible in my mind

[@wayando]

Yeah ... But they left out Psychology (which may not be a science). Human behavior guides all designs for society ... Not just technology. We cannot run away from the fact that we are still basically the same as we were 10,000yrs ago.

[@ITILII]

"You may say, I'm a dreamer...but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us.....and the world will live as one"

[@robertbatemon7655]

There is a song in there

[@BimmerBros]

And the walls around the outer part of the circle helps keep the Titans out.

[@MetalGearChris1]

Shinzou wo sasageyo!

[@deadwingdomain]

It's best to be prepared!

[@AlexanderStone]

Legit!

[@khalilrehman6285]

I thought that war was not a thing in this resource-based economy.🤔

[@DragonReaver]

@@khalilrehman6285 Jacque Fresco says that the walls are for animals to not be able to come in also walls do not protect against 90% of weapons today.

[@vonbirdman]

I was first exposed to the venus project in one of those zeitgeist documentaries, in the late 2000s - early 2010s, and I was blown away by the concept. I even did a bunch of research, and wrote a huge paper on in for one of my classes. I truly believe the venus project is the type of system that would allow us as a species to achieve our full potential, and in pains me to my very core to know that it will likely never come to fruition.

[@stephaniemclean3458]

To be honest, the economic monetary system’s are by design always going to fail due to potential corruption. Empires rise and fall because of this throughout history, from the Dutch to English and finally to the American empire at present, all the way back to the Roman Empire. Every time empires change their are 20 year transitional periods of political unrest and wars between the rising powers and the falling powers. Unfortunately this time we have nuclear weapons that will destroy everything. With climate change, pollution, wars, political instability and a declining demographic population ( an ageing population with not enough being born to maintain these empires) that threaten our very existence due to the monetary system failing’s we actually have no choice but to do something as drastic as a complete change to resource based economy.

[@lreichardt]

Utopias always sound good on paper but in practice we all starve

[@jacobhartmann1050]

@@lreichardt There is no utopia. There's only as good as we can possibly do at that time and place, until times and ideas change again and then we have to adapt and change again with them. A Resource-based Economy isn't perfect, it's just much MUCH better than what we have now.

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

@@lreichardt its better than what we have right now

[@tylerriojas6250]

@@lreichardt when has this been practiced? There is no shortage of land,water ,seeds or sunlight...or knowledge... I'm not sure I see your logic

[@js100serch]

Jacque himself admitted in a interview on his youtube channel that the Venus Project most probably will never happen, at least not as he proposed it, he just hoped that others could at least take some of his ideas and apply them into their own system, a better system, it doesn't need to be exactly as he imagined it.

[@Bervatoc]

That's a tough guy right there. Only respect for him.

[@coolioso808]

Fair enough. And I think Jacques ideas set a great train of thought and some good vocabulary for people to create better systems. I think a resource based economy is just common sense. Seriously. It's something so obvious that if a child wasn't polluted by the capitalists lifestyle we mostly force upon them, they would find a resource based economy exactly sensible with how life is supposed to work. At an early age they all understand things this way. They have a ball, they go outside to play and they use the grass and the environment to do what they want with it. The might want to dig a hole, they try with their fingernails and find it is pretty hard, so they search for a tool, find a shovel and it works much better. But everything is a resource-based economy to them. What they see is what they get to use. And, for kids whose basic needs are taken care of at home, they are free to explore and use what nature has given them. We need to realize we, as humans, have trapped ourselves in a box that used to be somewhat functional before we had efficiency increasing technologies, but now money and markets are an interference for our problem solving and we should recognize that and act accordingly to change the system so it works for our new reality.

[@RezValla]

On it

[@fabriciofercher8317]

​@@coolioso808 is common sense if you think in relationship of others technical areas. So that the discipline of engineering to exist should be people formed in that area, managing the global population isn't different, and that is an education we ALL should have in order to work.

[@coolioso808]

@@fabriciofercher8317 I wouldn't say people thinking in terms of relationships and systems connected to other areas is 'common' sense. I wish it was more common, but it doesn't seem to be at this point. We should know, as humans, about interconnectedness. We are all interconnected, all living things and we either create a social system that respects that and works with Natural Law rather than fights against it for a fictional prize for a minority of people to profit disproportionately from called money. We don't all need to be engineers to understand relationships and to contribute something meaningful, especially at a local level. We do it throughout our lives in various ways, often volunteer work but also some professional work. However, we need a system that is working to create sustainable abundance for all in the community, approaching zero marginal cost (like Jeremy Rifkin talks about). There is a proposal called "One Small Town" by Michael Tellinger where any small town with about 5,000 agreeing members decide to create an even co-operative where they volunteer 3 hours a week to build up local abundance and self-sustainability for basic needs like food, water, energy, healthcare, education and more! This is not what TVP has in mind, exactly. As I've read up on TVP and they suggest 'old cities' are too old to be efficiently retro-fitted so new cities from the ground up should be built, is what they say. I don't think that's feasible. I think some new cities built to be highly efficient and smart would be good, but too many people already live in cities for us to just destroy or let them become ghost towns to go move into new cities. Multiple approaches need to be available for people to see what fits them best.

[@michaelhall2709]

I knew Jacque Fresco very well during the Eighties, where a small group of us would meet at his little house in North Miami Beach on Friday and Saturday nights and discuss his vision of what life in a scarcity-free society might actually look like. Like you, I was always skeptical in my heart of hearts that such a world could actually come to pass, human history and the passions that make it such a chaotic mess being what they are. Like Carl Sagan (another hero of mine), Jacque had a touching and probably naive faith in the ability of reason and compassion to prevail against fear and ill will. Sadly, our world seems to be on anything but that trajectory at the moment. But the dream of an equitable, sustainable future will live on despite the naysayers. It lives in places like the Mondragon region of Spain, where some of Fresco’s ideas have been put into practice (and his portrait hung in the city offices), and in the novels of Ursula Le Guin and Kim Stanley Robinson. Though his future will probably never come to pass in its entirety - I’m not even sure that it should - he was nevertheless a great man who totally disdained the concept of great men.

[@jeffturner6698]

Thank you sharing that. I resonate strongly to his vision

[@747070]

I thought I noticed some similarities between the Venus Project and Kim Stanley Robinson's novel about Mars!

[@lets7121]

"Jacque had a touching and probably naive faith" He had literally the opposite of Faith. His whole ideology was based on understanding Why things happen. Not hoping(having faith) that they would or could, but understand why or why not. Had nothing to do with Faith. Don't patronize him. "though his future will probably never come to pass" Where do you get your crystals balls, and also, what is the point of saying that. of course your skeptical but keep that shit to yourself. Don't you think Jacque was also skeptical if it was going to happen, Of course, but he wasn't going around saying "I'm skeptical about this" That doesn't help. That makes it worse. Be brave. Humans Are evolving.

[@Crazywaffle5150]

We need to gather around this idea again. I used to watch ever video that man put out. His vision was inspirational.

[@buddhamack1491]

Aspects of it certainly need to be implemented. Short of a revolution of major cataclysm the consumer driven economy won't change. People are wising up to it though and communities like the tiny house and minimalist movements are growing each year. But those with the most to lose hold all the power and make the laws to prevent decent change from ever occurring. Perhaps one day when scarcity of precious resources that are easily accessible will demand a radical shift in thinking will lead people to rue the day they didn't listen to those like Jacque.

[@Mike504]

The perfect city shape is not a circle, it's a cube. Resistance is futile.

[@unknownx7252]

You will be assimilated

[@superawesomegoku6512]

Totally true though

[@paulmakinson1965]

Spoken as a true geek.

[@charlesboyce651]

Best comment.

[@BananaBLACK]

The tetrahedron is the perfect shape. That is why resistance is ultimately successful.

[@clydefrog6961]

Whether or not the world will ever be ready for a Venus Project, I encourage everyone to learn more about Jacques Fresco, he truly is a fascinating person

[@justinlumpkin1874]

"You can't get lost on a circular street" 1. You overestimate my intelligence 2. You have never been to Cary NC lol

[@Mr.Adkins82]

How about Newton's Grove NC?

[@nicolasflamm]

Word.

[@davcbow]

I have, lol

[@HarfangX]

yeah you can't get lost going round in circles in a place where everything looks the same... O.o

[@helenmohiam944]

@@HarfangX Joe Scott is missing out very important information. The naming of streets and places will be chronological, example given from official sources is a numbering system, number 0 could be the center and then from left to right outwards you count street 1, 2 , 3 and so on. Just by reading the number of the "street name" you will know how far you are from the center and estimation of where on the circle you are radially. A crude example but I hope you get my explanation.

[@jamespilcher5287]

"given the positive trajectories the world is going in right now" - hello from June 2020, those trajectories just tanked.

[@keeperofthefate]

Yeah, nobody accounted for global pandemic originating from communist dictatorship that used all means available to cover it up, until it all blown into rest of humanity faces.

[@zach5539]

How fragile capitalism is

[@dantakeoff]

@@keeperofthefate Amazing how you know what the rest of us dont....

[@BarrySlisk]

@@zach5539 Compared to what? Socialism?

[@wjw8w8whhe]

@@zach5539 communism isn't any good either. Look at CHAZ/CHOP 4 or 5 shootings and they ran out of food in 2 days

[@f1945]

Most people agree with the general ideas but almost no-one wants to take the steps needed to achieve them.

[@WanderingIdiot81]

IDK I think people would like to work less and be less stressed

[@f1945]

@@WanderingIdiot81 If any government in the world start to give stuff for free. (houses, food or health services) then people start to complain and call them communists.

[@WanderingIdiot81]

@@f1945 everyone who isn't a Republican gets called a communist

[@mrsith1402]

I don't agree with these ideas any more than I think we should give up our corporeal form and become energy beings

[@WanderingIdiot81]

@@mrsith1402 both great ideas! 😁

[@kraka2oanIner]

Jacque Fresco is my new hero. I never met him, yet I miss him already. I intend to spend my retirement years spreading his message and ideas, and hopefully contributing to them. A resource based economy is too precious to ignore.

[@Indrave_2274]

Yup. This is simply the next step in bettering the human (and animal) conditon. Advocacy, funding, and technical progress towards the Venus Project may be my life work.

[@huk5414]

He's my hero tooo bruh I wish I got to talk to em

[@fabriciofercher8317]

be aware that this is technical, which means you should understand it before try to teach it. Can you define a RBE with your own words?

[@michaelhall2709]

@@huk5414In person he was kind, and a little distant. He also didn’t have much use for human activities he considered frivolous, which I considered unfortunate. But I feel privileged to have known him.

[@cllnprr9926]

the shape of cities is irrelevant; it just so happens that its the easiest one to reproduce, and is the most efficient. it really is about removing the stresses of modern life, and freeing people to chase after whatever non destructive ambition self actualizes them

[@BarrySlisk]

Isn't it easier to build straight roads?

[@Pupil0fGod]

Square cities want to have a word with you.

[@joebidenisapedophile]

Thats communism brother

[@stopyourshit1641]

@@joebidenisapedophile what's your suggestion? Democracy obviously doesn't work.

[@lets7121]

@@BarrySlisk why would you travel in a line somewhere, and then have to travel back down the line, when you can revolve around a circle. it'd be much more efficient

[@play-on5209]

RIP, Jaque my old friend. You will be missed, your ideas have been heard. One day the human species might comprehend it fully. At the very least there is hope.

[@christopherbroadway642]

Most will never understand his way is probably the only way humanity will live on. We are running out of time. Before you know it it’s definitely gonna be to late to fix the problem 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@axumitedessalegn3549]

Lol if this happens we will be back to the stone age within a few centuries.

[@alistairmonro]

@@axumitedessalegn3549 agreed, it gives people little incentive to do anything other than recreational activities. Work for nothing or have fun for nothing? Though choice..

[@9y2bgy]

@@alistairmonro Really? You think so? You think people intrinsically have no internal drive to do anything but lie around and waste away their lives if they were given the basic necessities? Personally I'm not fully convinced of the central ideology of the Venus project myself, but I can't deny the kind of waste that humans engage in when it comes to the distribution and usage of resources. Mathematical calculations provide ample evidence that without the corporate and political greed, there should be no famine, no hunger, no poverty, no unequal healthcare, etc. These are artificially created in the name of political and economic power grab. Current technologies can problem solve pretty a lot of human issues that plague the earth if corporations and governments didn't stand in the way.

[@alistairmonro]

@@9y2bgy yes I do believe most people don't have the ability or drive of some of the people you reference. If there is no gain to something then little effort will be put in. Poverty wasn't created, wealth is created. You have to strive to survive. Basic rules for all life, it's nature.

[@diegol5472]

“Capitalism is kinda working..” not 0.5 seconds before an Ad plays😂

[@markg6075]

LMAO!

[@rebella_alld5108]

Perfect!

[@aphrog649]

hence the “kinda” lmaoo

[@gbizzotto]

The city format is really an implementation detail despite being presented as sort of important. The project is really about transforming the incentives.

[@jeanv3266]

It would allow humanity to focus on creativity, imagination and innovation. We would evolve exponentially if we could do this. This is the future. 2020 is showing us that all current systems do not work.

[@sunnyjim1355]

No system works 100% effectively or (to use that childish word) 'fairly'. To think otherwise is utopianism, and is always dangerous i.e. millions killed dangerous.

[@TheMj18420]

@@sunnyjim1355 it isn't about being 100% perfect, just 100% better than anything we are doing now or have done before

[@quokka7555]

@@TheMj18420 exactly... “perfect” is a stupid concept, we just need “better than now”...

[@TheMj18420]

@David Orozco The point would be to eventually have a system designed to work without money, for everyone. No rich, no poor, just equitable access. We can create an abundance for all.

[@alistairmonro]

@@TheMj18420 but who is going to pay for the construction of the city and shared cars? Who is going to maintain the sewerage system for nothing extra than their neighbours get for playing golf?

[@think2086]

One of the things I've realized over the years is that humans are surprisingly good at accepting utopia if it is how they were raised. We live in what people 300 years ago would think of as utopia, for instance, and we aren't exactly clamoring to give up our advancements. We obsess about our worries over utopia going wrong, but that's been the only thing preventing us from actually achieving it. And as long as you provide them maximum liberty, with their animal needs met, they will excel as humans and doing amazing things. This is because humans are spending 90ish% or something of their neural energy being anxious and trying to survive, still. Almost all great human discoveries and achievements have come around in the upper classes, simply because the genius of the lower class was WASTED on survival. It's absolutely time we move on from this primitive monkey fear trip and achieve our destiny. We need to free human brains from base worries.

[@ethanstump]

Isn't survival the goal though? I agree though that resources are poorly managed worldwide.

[@ethanstump]

@UC5kvpY1pJUP4irs6G4xQUrA I agree with the points that you make. Survival isn't the goal, because it's a goal that can't be achieved. All roads lead to death. ALL OF THEM. but we can enjoy the rollercoaster of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

[@Nightdare]

We don't need Utopia, time and time it's proven that humanity needs *challenges* to rise above anything life throws at us, to survive disasters and learn from them once we remove challenges, humanity will wither away and no: "Orchestrated" challenges are NOT real challenges "I'm gonna climb that mountain" isn't the same as "You will climb that mountain" one is choice, the other slavery

[@ethanstump]

@@plantstho6599 yah it was the greed is good mantra pushed in the 70s, which is clearly not the picture you want for long term growth. Greed is explosive growth, at the expense of overall growth. Greed will get you what you want, but not what you need. But then again, you need what you want, which is why greed is innate. But far too many people get what they want, before they know how to handle it. Which is why they handle it badly.

[@kiirothedriver8714]

"worry is a misuse of imagination." I keep remembering that meme.

[@southhill6667]

This stuff really makes me think of Plato's descriptions of Atlantis, a city constructed within concentric circles and all that.

[@garethbaus5471]

Where do you think many of these people get this idea?

[@helenmohiam944]

@@garethbaus5471 Fresco himself says "Fu*k Fresco" and also mentions that man cannot think or reason (which is scientifically proven to be the case). We always learn after the fact and we always stand on the shoulders of others. He denies being a genius and inventor because he knows the mechanics of learning, accumulated knowledge, experimentation and circumstance in a deterministic world.

[@caseyreimerchwk]

@@garethbaus5471 No, no, no,no. Where do YOU think many people get this idea?

[@garethbaus5471]

@@caseyreimerchwk the story of atlantis is a very likely source of inspiration.

[@ellesam3348]

It s for sure a replica

[@BluetheRaccoon]

I know that this video is almost three years old, but Joe... The Venus Project is looking really good right now. Has your position on this concept remained the same?

[@TheMj18420]

There is an article in Forbes titled "Is The Venus Project the next stage in human evolution?" that came out Sept. 2020. Good read. Gives me hope that the world is catching on.

[@TheMj18420]

@Stuart One can only hope that The Great Reset = The Venus Project instead of NWO

[@TheMj18420]

@Vebunkd A no government, no money, no border world is not communism. It is evolution of choice.

[@TheMj18420]

@Vebunkd It's like taking those ideals to the next level.

[@BluetheRaccoon]

@Vebunkd I mean...yes. It's a commune at it's core, but far more expanded. I'm interested in knowing what his views on it are now.

[@lukeellsessor8110]

TVP is about applying science and technology to all aspects of society and becoming an emergent culture that adapts to change. Today we try to keep things as they are and protect old establishments that have been around for a long time. People even talk about bringing back old concepts today. We need to be able to move on, not cling to old concepts and traditions forever. TVP would allow us to constantly change when new ideas and realizations come about. Change is the only constant in the universe. TVP is not about circular cities or any other design concepts that Jacque Fresco has made. It doesn't even matter if it turns out that circular cities are flawed or not, I don't know if they are. If it turns out it's not workable, we will work to figure out the most efficient kind of city we know of at that time. The future in TVP would look nothing like how Jacque presents it, it would be up to us what kind of future we build. We wouldn't just get rid of money, prisons, police, etc. Things like that we would have to gradually outgrow the need for. I can't imagine that prisons however would be anything like how they are today. We would try and find the root causes of any undesirable behaviors in people, and help them recover, if possible. TVP presents to us a methodology for a way of arriving at decisions, not just making them. At present, with all our technology, our capabilities of production, and everything else, it is simply not possible for politics to make the best decisions. It doesn't matter who we have out there, our world is far too complex for any group of people to manage. This is why we need computers to be set up in a way that can help us to arrive at the most appropriate decisions. One of the greatest accomplishments of the 21st century could be the development of sea- based structures, which could potentially house universities. Here, people could study the ocean environment, marine life, acquire resources, work toward restoring reefs, and cleaning up the mess we've made to our best abilities. All this and more, while helping to relieve land-based population pressures. We may also build subterranean cities to further relieve these population pressures. Everything will be about maximizing efficiency and utilizing clean sources of energy. If we wish to consider ourselves an intelligent species, there's no excuses for polluting our environment. Rather, we should be able to add to it. What kind of world do we want our children to be living in? Think about that. Remember, it's not possible to use the most efficient methods, or create the most efficient products in todays society. Our market system won't allow it. It calls for constant consumption in order to maintain itself. This is why we are designing products to break down, wasting resources, so that businesses can continue to make sales. Will it ever end? The world may never know. I strongly recommend anyone interested enough about The Venus Project, who cares about the future for all, go to thevenusproject.com and attempt to learn all about it. There's a lot more than what meets the eye. To all, I hope you have a great life! ☺

[@kbend]

Luke Ellsessor how do you incentivize people to do this? If our current monetary policies won’t work, how is this accomplished? Does the moneyless society come before or after all the computers and universities on water are built? If it’s before, again, how do you get people to do it? How do you get people off this current monetary system and what do you use to replace it? I fail to see how in getting to your society there wouldn’t be a group of people telling others what to do.

[@broark88]

The whole method of a market economy is to make the most efficient uses of scarce resources to serve limitless human desires. Producing things more valuable than it what it takes to produce them is how production processes survive. Being able to produce more than we consume is actually what makes economic growth possible, because resources need to be spared from present consumption in order to be used on building new machines, doing research, etc which may have a future payoff. If you want to see the most monumental instances of waste in human history, look to centrally planned "economies", where the values of producers could not be influenced by the values of consumers, precisely as the Venus Project proposes to do but by different means. You'll see famous examples like in the USSR with toothbrush quotas being filled by bristleless plastic sticks, and meeting the target for nails by making uselessly massive nails since the target was specified by weight. These choices weren't directed by what people were willing to put money on (demonstrate their value in real and translatable terms), and so they became epic wastes of metal, plastic, and all the labor and energy that went into making them. If the means proposed by Venus Project were actually much more likely to destroy human life and the environment than benefit either, isn't it worth at least considering the possibility?

[@lukeellsessor8110]

@@broark88 I just made a quick internet search regarding the conditions of the earth. I read "We're disrupting the climate system. We've cleared half the tropical and temperate forests in the world. We've polluted air, water, and soil, and we can see it on a planetary scale. We're driving species extinct at a thousand times the baseline rate. We've dammed more than 60 percent of the world's rivers. What natural systems have we not fundamentally altered?" I also made a quick search on planetary resources and read "Humans are using up the planets resources so quickly that people have used a year's worth in just seven months, experts are warning. And the rate at which we are consuming the Earth's natural resources is still speeding up." Now when considering that we are clearly causing negative impacts on our environment, and that we are no doubt using resources faster than what the Earth can renew, the simplest and most obvious explanation to this is over-population. However it's worth noting that the carrying capacity of the earth is not a fixed number. It also has to do with how efficient we are, or rather, how efficient our 'economy' is. So you said "The whole method of a market economy is to make the most efficient uses of scarce resources to serve limitless human desires." But based on the information I quoted above, it appears to me that the efficiency of the market economy is falling far short of being sustainable in the long run. As far as limitless human desires goes, I personally feel that I can get along just fine at my current point in life with just a guitar, a skateboard, and a few good friends. I feel that unlimited human desires is an assumption being made, and being perpetuated by the current world of advertisements. Companies work extremely hard to make people feel that they need all sorts of things, all for the sake of consumption, or sales. And considering that so many people these days have been born into this culture of advertisements and consumerism, I feel the phycological effect this has on people should not be underestimated. Going back to the point of efficiency, and based on the current state of science and technology, when I travel about and see all the "modern" houses and cars, I find it hard to believe they are actually modern at all. Are the majority of our homes actually built by the most efficient construction means known today, and out of the most efficient resources also based on their scarcity, and of the most efficient designs? Even looking at most rich people's homes they tend to look just like larger versions of middle class folk homes; at least from around where I live. When it comes to vehicles, they seem to always reach a point where it's always one thing after another, constantly needing monitoring and repair, and often it will be a pain in the ass to work on when it's really a small issue. Have we not figured out better designs for our motor vehicles or homes after all this time of technology improving at an ever increasing rate? It seems that there is a different motive that is getting in the way, which is profit. Profit seems to always be coming before efficiency and sustainability, because if our vehicles were sustainable and lasted perhaps a lifetime, well there wouldn't be so much business making money off the constant repair of our vehicles. I wonder how much resources we have wasted on all the things that have been deliberately designed to break down, in order to assure the cycle of consumption and profit to continue. So I guess I feel that market economies are even a threat to human life and the environment and there seems to be no shortage of evidence that our methods are unsustainable and harmful and that we need to change the way we operate fast. So what if The Venus Project don't have it quite right either, well surely there must be some designs or blueprints we can take from it. Maybe combine them with other ideas and designs from other organizations with the same goal. How many times my mind has been blown by the unbelievable designs of Jacque Fresco is unreal, and will be forever unmatched. RIP Jacque, he will never be forgotten.

[@ryanlenear2340]

V for Vegan I really think that building a hybrid between capitalism and resource based is the answer to the transition. Have the first cities be filled with really smart people and the city itself would profit in the larger capitalism society to take care of itself and further research how to multiply efficiently with the goal of becoming more and more without money. Then it would slowly make the old system obsolete.

[@datboi2886]

Luke Ellsessor I don’t disagree with TVP and their ideals, I disagree with a cult like following. Having meetings, having a hierarchy, those things destroy the good ideas this group tries to portray

[@Johnathonaaron]

"and a hotpocket." I literally spit my drink on my monitor.

[@sarnol8973]

i think you over reacted

[@MonstaMunch101]

"Personal needs are met so shopping isn't a thing" - Only a tiny fraction of "shopping" that most people do is about meeting *needs*

[@xterra4hire]

These existential ideas always skip humans need for struggle, and competition, even the Marxist and communist were corrupted by power, People need something to strive for, before there was money there was struggle, litterally who does the heavy lifting for the people that think they only needs to use their brains? Because those are the same people that corrupt these systems at all times. It starts with an hoa to improve resale value then Karen and bob don’t like your door so they fine you everyday

[@WanderingIdiot81]

@@xterra4hire problem solving is something to strive for and very rewarding work

[@DieFlabbergast]

Exactly: and this is just one example of the disconnect between this and similar schemes on the one hand, and the real world on the other.

[@kraka2oanIner]

And...obliterating advertising, lawyers, marketing, police, courts, and prisons...is WORTH it!

[@Kaylee-Renee]

He was meaning shopping as in paying for things. There would still be "shops" but you can just go in and get what you need/want. If you have anything you no longer want it can be taken back to be reused or recycled. We would still have everything we have now and maybe more because people who love to create would have more time and resources to do it. It's actually an amazing concept when you look into but the world would need to work together and those with money and power don't want this because it means giving up the lifestyle and influence they have now

[@kryscopeland]

I rarely comment on any videos, but I just couldn't help on this one because The Venus Project is near and dear to my heart. After learning about it in the late 2000s, I volunteered in the late 2010s to do transcription work for them. But after Fresco's death, it seems to be stuck and not really moving forward, at least not recently. I had the pleasure of a phone chat and a short email exchange with Roxanne, who is a wonderfully charming woman and just as sharp as her late partner. I do hope we will see more from The Venus Project soon. I know I'm a bit (6 years) late on watching this one, but thank you so much for this video, Joe!

[@rsrollins72]

Gates building a city? Cant wait to see them reboot an entire city every few months!

[@Desyx14]

Would you like to update your city? for the seventh time NO!

[@DR-mp4gv]

Lol.."support is ending for your city tomorrow so you need to pay up..yet again" Pissed off citizens then move out and start their own Linux based city.

[@25maxman]

Guys, I love these. Keep it up.

[@BojanBojovic]

This city will have 7 different design languages, it will be a mess.

[@marccolten9801]

Would anyone actually read the 2,500 page user agreement?

[@keiththorpe9571]

Oh, we'll never get rid of money... ...after all, how will we know who's better than everyone else without all those imaginary numbers in their bank account.

[@galenicalhoover6508]

Fresco's own design has individual homes that make it seem as if you live in the wilderness and APARTMENTS in a separate zone. Hmm. Who chooses who gets to live in what and what are the benchmarks? There will always be a status system and wealth has always been the benchmark. Power is wielded through wealth. No currency = no wealth = chaos. Hierarchy is the structure of all things and began with the Big Bang. When the singularity (as in single = one thing) became the Universe of many things and thus hierarchies began. Human beings, by nature as part of the Universe of many things, form all kinds of hierarchies. Alright, alright. Keep it simple: cash is king and he who has the gold makes the rules

[@4thtothe4th]

Bingo

[@KJRUSS0]

Well, in the past, those "imaginary numbers" used to be backed with actual physical resouces (i.e gold and silver), and despite fiat currency being its own issue, those people with more numbers are usually "better" than you because they made investments (in either time, education, resources, etc.), took risks, didn't let failure get in the way and most likely provided some sort of value to society or at least met some demand that you have not. All the "Muh Kim Kardashian" or "unintended consequence x,y and z" or "x exploits y" is going to change that. It's social Darwinism and the more you try to break away from the natural order and defy the basic tenets of our own evolution with pathological altuism, the worse things get.

[@keiththorpe9571]

@@KJRUSS0 careful, the estate of Ayn Rand might sue you for cribbing her 'insights' and passing them off as your own. You should at least leave a notation in your comment that you lifted your argument (with slight liberties taken by including the Kardashian reference) from the text of 'Atlas Shrugged' The concept of 'benign economic despotism' is neither new nor particularly novel. The contention that the lion's share of a society's wealth concentrated in the hands of the few (while the many squabble over the scraps) being beneficial for said society has been rebranded, repackaged, and resold to people since the first village chieftain in the Indus Valley said to everyone else: "Screw you, Jack, I got mine." However, the careful student of history can see a 1-to-1 correlation between the wealth gap separating the haves from the have-nots becoming irreconcilable and the steady decay and collapse, or violent disruption and realignment of the society in question. The idea that a society's economic system cannot both provide for the common welfare while simultaneously incentivizing the talent and industry of those exceptionally talented and industrious is a myth. A myth born of rapacious greed and ruthless cruelty that has been elevated to a virtue among many in our society.

[@KJRUSS0]

@@keiththorpe9571 I've never read Ayn Rand. "The idea that a society's economic system cannot both provide for the common welfare while simultaneously incentivizing the talent and industry of those exceptionally talented and industrious is a myth." Where do you get the money for said "common welfare?" You're either obtaining it through unjust taxation targeting the wealthy and the middle class, which is taking away from their ability to further invest in endevours that may otherwise fund research or create new job opportunities, or doing it by printing more fiat currency ensuring the prices of goods and services inflate while wages stay stagnant (literally the #1 factor driving wage gaps in prettymuch ever first world economy). Then you have the dysgenic consequences on society. By taking resources away from the middle and upper classes who generally tend to be higher IQ and lower time preferenced (possesing the abilty to defer gratification) and giving it to those on the poverty line (or worse, the third world) who tend to be on the lower end of the bellcurve, you're enabling people to breed that shouldn't be breeding at the expense of people who hardly breed enough as it is. You're not fixing the problem, you're allowing it to snowball out of control. As automation in industry becomes more prominent, those are going to be the people who suffer the most (it's already been happening for decades). Furthermore, you now have a higher population of people who lack longterm planning or foresight abilities, of whom are going to just consume more resources, breed at irresponsible rates and destroy the planet further as the pool of competency to face complex societal and international challanges diminishes. This a reality that we're going to have confront one day (just look at the future projections for populations in Africa) and there will be a major humanitrian crisis for which there will be no politically correct answers to. All because people engage in feels rather than just letting Darwinism do its thing. I truly believe pathological altruism to be one of the Great Filters of the Fermi Paradox. The only "myth" is that all men are created equal.

[@gutersteinker]

R.I.P. Jacques

[@divasbraidz]

The first thing GOD gave man is work therefore capitalism is inherent to human nature

[@dannygjk]

@@divasbraidz I hope you are not a lawyer.

[@jiujitsuguy74]

Diva Hair you’re a moron.

[@lot110]

@@divasbraidz Atheist, so try again but the first thing God gave humankind was paradise in the Garden of Eden.

[@miguelthealpaca8971]

@@divasbraidz People have been working loooooong before there was capitalism. It's not like we need it in order to work.

[@kev_klein]

Respect for the shout out to Fresco at the end. I sincerely believe he was a really good and kindhearted guy.

[@MrMartinBigger]

There is ALOT more to the concept of resource based economy, than just the city design, althought it is an easy trap to fall into when looking at TVP. I would highly recommend looking into the zeitgest movement which explains a resource based economy in much greater detail and how it works from a global, socioeconomic perspective. And references much more scientific literature to back up it's claims

[@Darth_Pro_x]

Would also recommend tromsite.com - i personally found the content there best (though it's important to say that the main idea is very much the same with all these organizations, with only slight changes)

[@lets7121]

You must have not done enough research because there is a plethora of explanation and detail.

[@KanonenBengan]

I love this idea, I give this 12 out of 10. Its brilliant, I would move to that kind of city immediately.

[@eddiepeterson3231]

Just go to prison. Basically the same thing

[@LadyIronHeart]

@@eddiepeterson3231 proof that you didn't understand ANY of his project.

[@ResurrectingJiriki]

you want Communism? cos this is how you get Communism

[@sumobowler3790]

@@ResurrectingJiriki it's not even remotely the same thing!

[@ResurrectingJiriki]

@@sumobowler3790 sure it is not, but it is. the Venus Project is basically Communism. These big corporations have been planning this for many decades and are trying to now finally do away with money. The UN came out just a few weeks ago with a plan to help the most in need with a universal basic income. Make it all digital, no more markets, resource based.... sure. Also remove all incentive. But dystopian yeah, that it is. Those rings they show in their 'plans' of the Venus Project, remind me of the movie 'In Time' where the super rich have immortality and the plebs are destined to die, as the elites need increasingly more as there are more of them and 'change' the 'value' of things so people can not make enough time to not die. With 'free money for free' already in the works from the UN, the 'In Time' reference might make one see the predicament we are facing. FYI the UN also recently changed their URL to UNNWO. yeah, New World Order that is. With their new form of economic system: "Happytalism". If that does not sound dystopian I don't know what does. #NewspeakIsTheNewNormal

[@aguynamedguyuk]

A great presentation on the concepts of The Venus Project, which was then immediately undermined by the "defence" of capitalism, showing that the presenter had not fully understood the concept of a Resource Based Economy. Joe also omits that Jacque himself said that the system was only ever likely to be used in the event of catastrophe - when we're on the verge of destroying ourselves or we're left with no choice. The suggestion that capitalism will eventually work itself out is, and always was, laughable.

[@therealKINDLE]

"Anyone who believes in Indefinite Growth upon a Physically Finite Planet are either mad, or an economist" - David Attenborough

[@zpettigrew]

Rest in Peace Jacque. I'll always remember our lengthy conversations.

[@rebeccawhittenhall8826]

Auroville in India has been attempting this since 1968. However, it is largely a tourist destination, with some permanent residents. If there was anything that is currently functioning like the Venus project, this is it. Also it feels like biomimicry using the circular design, when the cities connect it looks like neurons/mycelium. 🍄

[@cristian-ionutapostol8018]

Joe Scott 2017: Capitalism's kinda working. Joe Scott 2020: Is this the end of Capitalism?

[@tristanheaton2127]

Tru

[@Wilson84KS]

It never worked, "kinda works" could be maybe said about times when people didn't understand anything and blind overproduction was better than underproduction, but all in all it is simply an ongoing genocide, Joe just completely ignored the other statistics and even used some that are obviously fake, they completely contradict all of the other statistics, if you are interested, Peter Joseph presented all of them over the time with the sources and names of of the people who did the investigations, he completely ignored what only the so called externalities mean for example, that since 1970 68% of biodiversity has been eradicated, that every year around 18 million people die only from the direct consequences of the externalities, the resource overshoot, that caused the climate catastrophe and so on, if he had looked up all the statistics he would have realized that the damage this system is doing is comparable to a nuclear apocalypse and I'm not exaggerating. There is only one other thing that is comparable to the monetary/market system and it is cancer, it also grows until its own foundation of existence, the host is dead. Markets are a delusion like money is, there is only logistics, what is called market is in fact the distribution part of logistics, self-service warehouses and open-air storages and money is just virtual numbers, give the poor people who suffer this delusions a computer in their room with padded walls and then they can type all kinds of numbers into it. But what we need is simply shopping list app that are connected via management systems like SAP to production and distribution, some basic calculations and algorithms calculate the numbers of production and the most efficient way to do the production and distribution and that's all, the whole monetizing process is just absurd, such a waste of time, energy, around 1,000 terawatthours a year, intellectual capacities of the people that waste their life on this nonsense, it's unbelievable that an intelligent being couldn't see this absurdity. Economics work this way: Needs assessments, assessment of the necessary means to satisfy the needs, ongoing calculations of efficiency, getting resources, production and distribution. The monetary/market system works this way: Profit expectations, speculations about numbers of production based on the success of marketing and sales, blind mass production and distribution, if the profit expectations are satisfied and people buy it, the production goes on, if not the production is stopped. So the needs don't really matter, because it is offer and demand and not needs and availability like in an economy, this means if people don't have enough or no money and so don't consume, they have no needs, they simply don't exist for this system. And it is even worse, we can't change anything within this system, like solving societies problems, climate catastrophe, poverty and so on, because this system needs this problems to keep and create jobs, the system is basically a consumption cycle, if one of the factors become less, the system breaks down, like if unemployment rises and people's incomes become less and they consume less, the demand becomes less and so production and distribution become less and so more jobs disappear and so people's incomes shrink more and so consumption becomes less and so demand becomes less and so production and distribution become less and so jobs become less and so incomes become less and so consumption become less and so demand become less... I think you got the point, now imagine crime becomes less, what is about the jobs of policemen, lawyers etc.? If there will be a cure for cancer, what does it mean for the people who live of producing meds for cancer treatment and caring about the patients? As said, it is pure insanity that a human being can defend this system, you must have a massive lack of intelligence, don't even need knowledge to understand that, just the pure ability to understand anything.

[@Wilson84KS]

@「 Deadpoppin 」 Get some psychological help, you need it, don't even realize how you represent your parents with your behavior.

[@sanjaysreejith973]

It's gonna be like minecraft with fully automated farms where you can just get your resources and build away. Sounds good to me.

[@breathtakingsamurai981]

This is how the real future society should work.

[@Kingdoms_and_Kobolds]

And it all begins with punching trees...

[@luigidaniele6613]

That's how it used to be hundreds of years ago. People built their own houses for their own family. You are still free to do that nobody is stopping you. But if you want things like air conditioning and solid built home you need to give resources to people that specialize in those fields etc.

[@Maxgamer-fd7hv]

So notch predicted the future.

[@luigidaniele6613]

@@breathtakingsamurai981 Their are already people that build their own house, grow their own food, build their own automated machines to grow the food etc. just like minecraft, but most people don't want to and rather get a job and they can buy cool and better things and have other people do the work

[@dopesick4474]

So sad he didn't get the recognition he deserves

[@evanstowers8529]

People who say we won't have the purpose or motivation to work but there will always be plenty of work that is REQUIRED for society to survive... ...I think that gives us reason enough to go to work.

[@digitalnomad9985]

Numerous costly and deadly experiments prove otherwise.

[@Nightdare]

And who is gonna tell who who will be doing that "required" work? Stalin II?

[@trezspre]

Nightdare you do what you feel is neccessary or what you want to do, trust me its not fun to just do nothing, its maybe nice first few months, maybe a year but after that you will really want to do things, and the thing is their will always be people to push you to do things not in a bad way but in a motivating way

[@nakinilerak]

The Greek poet Sappho, who lived on the island of Lesvos when it was part of Lydia, and who lived during the 7th century BCE, when the Lydians minted the first coinage in the world, had this to say about money: 'Money, without human value, lives amongst us to do harm.' The lady knew a thing or two.

[@whataboutb12]

i love how it took me five years from watching this to start advocating for a resource based economy.

[@dolan_plz]

Better later than never! :)

[@Matt20911985]

I also like the point out even Jock fresco said that the city would not look like that as technology advances. The only reason that design exist is because it’s the most efficient designed from an engineering standpoint. through city simulators another efficient design would be each section having of the circle would have residential commercial and industrial zones. Which would change positions in each circle with the last one being farming, steelmills, and material mounds.

[@goddog47]

I tell people about the Venus project and they look at me like I'm crazy! Of course it could work, the earth could be a living paradise with the right system but the monetary system has most people brainwashed and don't want to even think that there could be other alternatives. When I die I will make sure people know what I thought about the monetary system while I was alive and that they would know I did my part to promote alternatives. I am a millionaire and would be happy to give it all away just to see this succeed for the betterment of the whole of mother earth.

[@blain147]

Awesome statement, I believe that it will work as well. It's better for humanity and the earth to implement a resource based economy.

[@jeffturner6698]

Right on! Help support them then, and tell your friends as well. All we need is 51% awake, then momentum will do the rest! We have to be close! 👍🏻🙏🏼🧘‍♂️✌🏼

[@bLu48o]

then stop talking and do it. invest those millions into TVP infrastructure. invest it into the engineers that can build it into reality. contact Roxanne Meadows and take action where others cannot.

[@theodorewattz]

First heard about this way back in 2009 from zeitgeist!

[@josueantoniosantostrinidad2316]

Me too!!

[@Jumptownwore]

Men too. Although I liked Addendum better

[@texasray5237]

And even at that time the Venus project was already a failed cult deserted by all its members and it's supposed showcase "city" was nothing more than a handful of poorly built futuristic looking buildings, totally uninhabited and falling apart way out in the Florida swamps.

[@theodorewattz]

Texas Ray Your colorful speech does not trigger me dude, it was simply an idea not supported by the main stream. Just because an idea like theirs was not supported does not make it a bad idea. We socialize and nationalize certain aspects of our life we deem essential. Taking a step and applying engineering and design to illustrate how a society could better allocate resources should not be a crazy left wing idea. It’s just getting the most bang for your buck. What’s bad about doing something in the best way when it benefits everyone? Just because poor people disproportionately benefit from social programs does not make them inherently bad..

[@surfingnerd621]

Yup and since then I’m a supporter of the Venus project

[@AppliedMetaphysician]

Surely I'm not the first person to notice that this city design mirrors the description of Atlantis...

[@ViniSocramSaint]

Definitely the first, though not the only one now

[@Breakfast_of_Champions]

The mysteriously moneyless economy is more like Startrek though 😉

[@cyancyborg1477]

What if the real Atlantis was the friendships we made along the way?

[@tomikexboii5403]

BEFORE the actual Stargate movie even came out. Well before SG Atlantis.

[@cond.oriano4945]

Nope not the first. Maybe there’s a reason why Atlantis kept thriving compared to other civilizations. Probably because of the design and city planning of atlantis

[@noturcis]

The circular city works every year out at Burning Man for 70,000 people. It's an effective plan I have been in that city several times. It's like roundabouts on roads it takes people a while to get used to it compared to a grid pattern.

[@hynjus001]

Venus project crowd would really do well to work with the seasteading and private city crowd. The first venus project prototype might be a floating city, for practical purposes.

[@joshuarichardson6529]

It has some major flaws in the design. There's no Industry or Power Plants anywhere in the design (so kiss your iPhones goodbye). It assumes a population limit per city, with means there's a definite "footprint" on the land per population group (which is NOT small), meaning you need to claim a LOT of land for everyone to live like this (goodbye natural wildlife). It assumes in this design there would be no crime. Right.... It also assumes this kind of thing is possible without heavy-handed tyrannical government to implement it, or worse, do realize it would be needed. This is a very flawed utopian dream by someone who's never worked in manufacturing and doesn't understand why the economy works the way it does. All these ideas are white-collar pipe dreams that ignore a lot of blue-collar reality to achieve their utopia (and would realistically require an act of mass genocide to be "successful"). As for the "round city" idea, you'd need to launch it off the planet and put it in an O'neal Cylinder for it to work. There's a reason so many "futurist" cities are set in space. If we could get the majority of the population into space, then we could start implementing these "planned" cities to see what works, without paving over most of the planet for a pipe dream.

[@vylbird8014]

What they really need is money. Seasteading? A smallish 500TEU cargo ship will set you back maybe $10M. You can add as much again for the retrofitting, sustainable systems and such needed to be minimally-dependent upon outside supplies - hydroponic farming, solar power, water purification, electric propulsion. Then you need a crew and occupants, which means more spending on promotion and recruitment to fund some suckers willing to live there for years at a time earning a pittance. What's your income stream to maintain all this?

[@AliothAncalagon]

Many planned cities without any "natural" or "historical" background are out there and some of them work pretty well. Canberra, California City, Brasilia, Ciudad Caribia, the list is quite long. And we know a hell of a lot "historical" cities that are slowly going extinct.

[@itsROMPERS...]

It's lovely to sit around and dream about what we'd like to see happen, but the truth is what we really need to do is figure out how we're gonna deal with what IS going to happen. Automation and AI are definitely developing at an increasing rate, so sometime not too long from now there are going to be more people than there are jobs, whether or not it gets to the point where machines do ALL work. So a very present question is what are we gonna do with people when there just isn't any work for them to do? At the same time we have to deal with the problem of super-greed, which plagues America right now. We've made more billionaires in the last ten, twenty years than ever, but seriously: why should any one person have billions of dollars when many people can't eat and have to live outside? But the politicians live to serve the 1%, simply because that's where the money is. Right now there's a huge ideological struggle going on between people who think everyone should get what they need, and people who say nobody should get anything for nothing. One thing that's overlooked is that most people with a lot of money didn't do any more to earn it than a bus driver, many just get lucky with a rich dad, or knowing someone who gives them a huge paying job. But when pressed they get defensive and insist they deserve to keep everything because they EARNED it. But even the people who really did earn it (and I'm saying this believing that NO person works enough to deserve a billion dollars for their work) overlook the fact that they got where they got on the shoulders of society. They got roads, utilities, infrastructure, and a lot more that ordinary non-rich people around them paid for, so the people legitimately deserve a chunk of that money. But politicians, in honor of Reagan, keep cutting taxes on the wealthy, which didn't really help them but screws everyone else. We gotta put an end to that, and kill the whole "trickle down" nonsense for good, instead of letting politicians keep doing it. So ultimately we're gonna have to get in a war with the rich and the people/politicians that served them, to pry the money out of their hands. The weird thing is that this is so difficult even when so many people have WAY more money than they can ever use. But they fight for and achieve cuts in things like inheritance tax so their kids can live rich without doing anything, when in fact the best people to take money from are obviously the dead who don't need it anymore, because creating financial dynasties does not help society in the long run. Look at Trump, he got millions from his dad, wasted a lot but also made a lot on investments that other people can't make. How is it fair to give one person a huge chunk of investment capital that he can live luxuriously off, but another person gets nothing, just because his dad wasn't rich? I'm just saying that where we are NOW is leading to new places no matter what, and we have to start figuring out how things will work in the future we're gonna get.

[@aquasky1138]

Jeff White When enough people are out of work, they will create unrest that will not be able to be suppressed or ignored. People keep focusing on automation as the cause, but developed countries are also losing jobs to outsourcing. And it’s not just “unskilled labor” like manufacturing. Any English speaking person in the world with a computer and an internet connection can take a desk job now. Customer service, purchasing, supply chain, all kinds of industries.

[@lxdimension]

It's not so much an ideological battle where one half is saying people should get something for nothing. It's more about people saying no-one has a right to TAKE from people to give to others for nothing without their consent. A more passive purely consumption based tax system might solve that to some degree

[@alexcardosa8079]

That’s why war and violence is the true future of the unstable primate called humans. The delusional believe of wealth is coming if only I keep think of myself and no one else. Arm everyone and let’s get to been what most humans are, violent and unstable.

[@danwhite2035]

The Holy Bible is the answer to all of this, but I will get totally flamed for even saying this. Humans Have to work to live since Adam and Eve screwed humanity in the Garden when they disobeyed God. My opinion and I have friends that are agnostics and even atheist. I do not hate them for their belifes and we get along fine not arguing about such and just sharing common interests in other things. Flame on!

[@josiahferrell5022]

@@danwhite2035 Not going to fuel your persecution complex (which is almost even mandated in the Bible). If you are using that reprehensible set of books as a moral guide, you will come to quite a lot of wrong moral conclusions. Having actually read the thing myself, I know how terrible its instructions are.

[@Matt20911985]

I’ve tried to build a Venus Project city on a city simulator and the design does work, but in a currency based system each section starting from the middle has to have residential, commercial, and industrial in order to support the next section being built. That’s really the only obstacle in a currency based system, or at least on a simulator.

[@zakyjaafar3946]

May i have more information of your project please?

[@kylenoe2234]

Really deserving of the Nobel peace prize than anyone else imo.

[@bobgatewood5277]

i have just recently learned that all people are damn powerful, they got passion and talents (most unrecognized) that would blow your mind, if you would just let them develop them... and i just recently learned that, the mainstream (cultural) way of thought shuts down most passions and talents, treating them as "unworkable, useless, that of criminals, unproductive, unimportant, stupid..." you name it, we unconsciously create anxiety and stress on those individuals that are different to us, too judgmental to even begin to discern how much were harming and hampering would-be great people. since then, i have stopped putting down people (always comparing them to my system of values), and i started encouraging their passions and talents, so they will enrich this world with their minds and creations, whatever they may be.

[@im.empimp]

@Bob Gatewood - I'm really curious what happened that led you to recently learn these things?

[@RedDragon-pi2qm]

Empowerment to save tomorrow with the hearts and minds of today.

[@SOULDocumentary]

One thing I would like to offer you to think about - as you share your theory that capitalism is working based on the criteria you put forth - is I would suggest you look back through the history of empires, and you will see they all follow the same pattern on social improvements before they begin their decline and ultimate collapse. I recommend the documentaries Capitalism (a five part French teaching series) and The Four Horseman (about the ens of empires) as good sources of information on this topic. I would also like to offer to you that Americans feeling happy about their lives has been in steady decline since is peak in 1956. I offer the documentary The Economics of Happiness to gain a better understanding. Long story short, while it remains to be seen if TVP holds some or all of the answers to many of our current challenges, I do now believe we need a new economic system, and a RBE (Resource Based Economy) - basically a return to the functioning of nature with the sharing of resources when and where they are needed - make a lot of sense. As does a system based of collaboration rather then competition, which is extremely wasteful and does not deliver the best end product. Collaboration is actually how the most successful species thrive, not competition. And as many of our assumptions are based on the programming by the system I would recommend The Century of the Self so that you can have a greater perspective on the depth of the programming by the system. I hope this turn into a constructive and meaningful dialogue. Just LOVE...

[@SOULDocumentary]

A World Worth Imaging - Jacque Fresco The Man with the Plan Documentary kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHaQq4WEnqZ7eLc

[@SOULDocumentary]

S.O.U.L. Perspectives A World Without Money kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJO7k36Zh9lgbac

[@aquasky1138]

I’m not sure America is a good representation of the developed world. We have fewer protections from our government in the form of healthcare, disability, and consumer rights than other countries. Countries that do have these things, like France and the UK, have been around longer and seem more stable. I would say that this current system works but could crumble under the weight of a corrupt upper class.

[@mildyproductive9726]

"Collaboration is actually how the most successful species thrive, not competition." Which ones are those? And how do they taste?

[@Laviolette101]

It was low cost chinese labor and black slaves that built the railroads to join the eastern and western coasts of America. I marvel at the hand chiseled volcanic lava aqueducts that brought water distribution to the island of Maui, Hawaii by the chinese laborers who briefly worked there. Harnessing labor, having the resources available and the intellectual capacity has netted us a return on our investments not the money. Money was only a result and usually exploited the profits of others too easily in the United States. One example of that was Nikola Tesla who was told by businessman Westinghouse that he was broke and couldn't honor his contracts. It was Nikola Tesla that tore up the contracts as a courtesy and ultimately robbed by Westinghouse of the reward. Stories of Edison were similar where others created the innovations and Edison branded them. Advances have always been only a result of innovation. Most pursued their dreams with their achievement as their reward. It was innovation developed into a common goal that allowed us to set foot on the moon. A national plan to fund and develop the goal was essential while President Kennedy was in command. He lived long enough only to achieve it. The resulting advancements in sciences were offered for the world to share. We shared our nuclear technology with the world under President Eisenhower as he described it as a power that only one nation should not possess. The worldwide spread of knowledge allowed industry and colleges to blossom everywhere and many nations to prosper. Money has only been a source of corruption for us throughout our history. Hopefully we can find a balance before we exterminate all known life and reduce our planet to a cinder. I believe we can only succeed with a belief in the common good. I think that every country, regardless of its politics share these common resources that bring forth innovation. Even the brain cells of a common rat retrained to fly a flight simulator. Adaptation, innovation and national goals make a country great not those sitting around counting their money. "Collaboration "is a term more often used in our courts of law. If you watch Shark Tank, inventors are cashed out and only the royals get the royalties.

[@frankfrantisek]

I love the Venus Project. Seems like absolutely everyone would be thriving and enjoy living in a world like this. Given that in the way we live now, we spent majority of our time trying to figure out how to get by (to have money to pay for our life) in the least damaging way, living in a setting without that worry would mean we could actually cultivate our talents and abilities that are not always easy to monetise.

[@TexasNight]

Hey Joe, how about an update on the Resource Based Economy idea? Are you still a supporter?

[@MiguelAngel-vi4oq]

TexasNight Just imagine a world where material needs no longer exist. I guess eliminating the incentive for profit would even free researchers. No more papers, no more politics or controversial topics. Just pure knowledge to enrich everybody's life.

[@lwaflmoytwithmikespiegelma9364]

@noobenstein I say that these impressions are a myth. I say, that man will adapt to whatever environment he finds himself born into. If he is born into a world where everybody is in it for everybody, and there are choices and opportunities to get ahead by cooperating as a team, then he will make choices that are selfless, he will take advantage of opportunities to help others and not feel like it is charity when he is helped. If he is born into a dog eat dog, rat race world where everyone is in it for themselves, and choices and opportunities to be greedy exist in a system that encourages and promotes personal gain at the expense of others, then man will make choices that are greedy, then man will take advantage of opportunities to personally gain at the expense of others. ...One man's opinion

[@AAUTZM]

@noobenstein when was the last time you went to war, and dominated over others taking everything for yourself?

[@criticalthinker6736]

Noob, your view on human nature is overly simplistic. The whole Nature VS Nurture argument is a false dichotomy, for these two concepts are not mutually exclusive. That is, it is possible for both to occur simultaneously. Therefore, there is no "human nature", as both genetics and environment (i.e. our present social conditions) must be considered in human behavior. Here is a clip from the Zeitgeist film series if you'd like to learn more about "human nature": kzbin.info/www/bejne/aouciImQmcl7b9km12s

[@infinitasalo472]

@noobenstein Humans are a social species by nature. For hundreds of thousands of years, humans lived communally in small tribes who survived through cooperation alone. People need to get rid of this idea that individualism is the core of human nature. It's there, but we're designed to live cooperatively. Humans can't even psychologically handle being alone for two long without going insane.

[@turtlewalzer]

You Joe, are awesome. I have visited Arcosante many times, and hope that some day, our species will work toward our common good. That is, if the AI doesn't deem us annoying in the mean time.

[@therealKINDLE]

A.I deem? XD Calculators do not feel pleasure! Robots do not touch something & feel pain! Name me one device today that has acted on human impulse to hurt another for pleasure? The Western cultures fear Technology because they've had 100 years of "Robot Chokes its creator" smashed into their heads. It is not real. It is fiction. The Japanese have no such fears, & as a result they are the most technically advanced country in the world. Humans! Always fearing the worst! lol

[@Caldaron]

gee, I finally found a channel with a comment section that really discusses and enlightens. I'm freaking amazed!

[@ender_slayer3]

First: I would love to implement 90% of the Venus Project into our everyday living at some point. And Second: The circular city design isn't just something that we create as cities of the future like on Coruscant in the Star Wars universe, but something from the past as well, see Plato's designs for what the city of Atlantis was supposed to have looked like.

[@TymaDem]

Moscow is a circular-ish shape and there is nothing perfect about it

[@ender_slayer3]

@@TymaDem Did I specifically mention Moscow? No. Are you wrong? Also no.

[@Wilson84KS]

@@TymaDem Moscow is pure chaos, it just grew kind of circular but wasn't planned like that, soviets built cities near work not really around, this is something they didn't think about.

[@MEugeneDavis]

If you want a new way of life to be accepted, you need to condition the citizens. Create a city like this. But put it very far from other cities, therefore making visiting other, normal, cities an inconvenience. Offer young couples, with infants or plans for that, free living in the city for the promise they will raise their children there until at least 18. The children will constitute a full generation raised in such a system. THEY will be the real ambassadors for the movement. THEY will be the leaders of the future. They will have been raised in that system and will want to see it widespread. With making it hard to go to other cities it will limit the influence of the corrupt system this is designed to be replacing. Rights concerns? It would be voluntary for the couples. They would be free to leave if they wanted. As for the children, they are under legal control of the parents. I would speculate that by the time they reach 10 years old, an exposure to "the old way" would not be pleasant and they would prefer the peace of their home community. At 18 they can move away if they want. As well, if there are multiple such cities it is likely each would develop their own culture. So travel between these cities would be interesting.

[@DieFlabbergast]

Some future cult leader is taking note of your recommendations. We must pray that he/she does NOT succeed.

[@crystalball020]

You have to sacrifice rights to have a revolution

[@bodiesands4654]

"Condition" the citizens. Yes. That couldn't possibly go wrong. Someone call Tom Cruise for a sign-up sheet. I didn't like my family anyway.

[@ellisjk1409]

We already have the Amish and such.

[@No_OneV]

I want Venus project to succeed, sounds like Heaven on earth

[@griffing1799]

No One sounds horrible

[@Nightdare]

Well, you would love the good old USSR then

[@Max-tu4qd]

It's can't be achieved in a way humanity already knows, such as communism, it has to be achieved in entirely new way. This idea is not meant to modernize an old way of life, it's meant to create a new more advanced, more evolved way of life! The irony is that most of humanity is not evolved enough and unfortunately humanity will destroy the world sooner than be ready to commit to save it... Please proof me wrong!

[@Nightdare]

@@Max-tu4qd The reason we have evolved so far is because of necessity A lot of inventions have come out of the need to save/protect ourselves *and we will always need this ability* for the first malevolent force that comes across us after we achieved enlightment (and any other stupid hippy crap) will wipe us out

[@texasray5237]

Sorry the cult already disbanded.

[@pedrgloria]

Any comunity should be alowed to implement this kind of project.

[@karpfenboy]

whose allowance do you need?

[@alohatigers1199]

Pedro Glória With my taxes? No, better education AND healthcare is more important.

[@pedrgloria]

@@karpfenboy no one's

[@pedrgloria]

@@alohatigers1199 I hope you mean: free education and healthcare

[@tglrs_]

@@alohatigers1199 your comment is the proof that your taxes do not go to education. In case you live in the US, none of your taxes are going neither to education nor to healthcare. They are going to repaying the debt and to building war-machines. For education and healthcare you pay extra and straight from your pocket. If you don't live in the US it might be slightly different, but nothing as close as you probably imagine.

[@electriccerix]

9:29 - "Given the positive trajectories the world is going in..." -- 2020 laughs in your face, sir!

[@Humanaut.]

Not really, 2020 just brings problems to the surface that have been cooking for a while. The emergent symptoms alert us to underlying conditions. Therein lies the chance to make change and autocorrect, to make things better in the future and make actual progress.

[@jazcc]

@@Humanaut. So it’s four months after this comment. How are you feeling ?

[@bodiesands4654]

More old people died this past year, especially those 80+. How exactly has this affected the positive trends he talked about - especially infant mortality, war deaths, and literacy rates? One or two years of increased old people deaths from a freak once-in-a-century virus does not mean capitalism doesn't work. Especially (did you conveniently forget?) as that virus started in China - the last remaining refuge of Communism.

[@KevinFisch]

you are kind of confused about aa few things about an rbe. the circular city concept is exactly that- a concept a simply the best one to date. If you think you can design a better city or house or whatever do it. that is the point of an RBE, it is about a change in mentality and helping your fellow man not living in circular cities.

[@griffing1799]

The best city “concept” is one that growns naturally. There have been many planned cities, and they never work.

[@griffing1799]

Matiyan V when I say naturally, I mean by normal people choosing to build a city there, like how most citys start. If you look at planned citys all around the world, no one lives there. And the way our city’s grow now isn’t natural either(suburbs) bc they are planned out by developers. But if you look at say, manhattans, where developers put buildings where the demand is, thats natural.

[@Nightdare]

So, show of hands for everyone who wants to live in a world where everything looks the same Fuck "best", best is subjective I'm pretty sure blue overalls are the best attire for everyone as well

[@thisismyname8627]

@@Nightdare Show of hands who can see Nightdare has literally no idea of this new concept and is him/herself applying subjective conclusions onto it.

[@Nightdare]

@@thisismyname8627 The fact you call this a "New" concept, actually proves your subjectivity in this matter

[@SweetHyunho]

Joe, you could have focused more on smart cities if you're not into economic systems. You didn't say much about Jacque's philosophy - what is most important about RBE? science? community? what made him promote this idea for seven decades?

[@jeffturner6698]

Right....Dynamic Equilibrium

[@Kalysta]

I used to follow this project years ago. Honestly it actually destroyed my faith in humanity as I realized that human beings would never actually move to such a wonderful, utopian future as this one. Seriously. Could you imagine ANY politician not named Bernie Sanders (and maybe not even him!) actually allowing our country to move in a direction that would be as anti-corporate as the Venus Project is? Jacque Fresco was an amazing man. The most amazing part was his faith in humanity.

[@dirkg8989]

As a civil engineer, a symmetric ideal city gives me agita. Nearly all of the interesting aspects of a city, and the design challenges, stem from the topography of the location. Completely eradicating the character of a location to force your vision of an ideal city on it, seems so mid-twentieth century.

[@DigitalJedi]

I'm totally going to use this type of system for a sci-fi civilization. I feel like this could somehow be blended with our current model to make something interesting yet functional.

[@SD-tj5dh]

I can absolutely see this happening somewhere like the UAE, where they have millions of acres of empty desert and a desire to bring sustainable life to the desert. Especially to bolster the tourism industry and property investment.

[@lets7121]

were talking about complete transformation of society. No money. No tourist money. no property investments. no ownership. no hoarding of resources.

[@janetwhite7786]

@@lets7121 I'm afraid you will need to do away with the people for that to actually work. Misfit ppl are multiplying and society (the cause) turns a blind eye. Thankfully, i won't be here for future experiments.

[@vranthis]

8:08 What i see is, science is working. Those are the expression of scientific advancement, not an economic system success. All this could have happen, in any kind of economic system. Science is going to science, curiosity and will to progress isnt related to an economic system. Its my opinion. I love your content, im always happy to learn and see new horizons with you, keep the good work.

[@rathauneek2953]

Science and application is critical. However it is undeniable capitalism has dramatically lifted living standards. The human species is over 10000 years old, and yet our living standards exploded over the last 4 centuries specifically. Our brains didn't suddenly evolve and get smarter over the last fraction of our evolution. Our systems changed, largely from feudalism toward market capitalism. It's not any kind of captialism though. It's specifically capitalism with strong welfare states, strong institutions and relatively un-corrupt democratic governments, with high government spending on science and tech. Thre's whole field of study called welfare economics that examines this and looks strongly at the data

[@Wilson84KS]

Well, it is all about economics, means handling earths resources wisely so life can exist also in the future, the point is that the monetary/market system is an anti-economy, obviously, it doesn't even care about human needs or anything at all except of profit, in completely ignores all natural laws like reproduction cycles of nature for example, is completely against any little rationality and intelligence, not even talking about science, all it does is using up all resources faster and faster just to create virtual numbers. The word economics has been just raped to death for the status quo.

[@BeatsBy24]

Rest in Peace Mr. Fresco 😔 - A True Visionary

[@thetruth1862]

They need to try this in Detroit its already a wasteland

[@dianathompson7597]

Divert israhells ten million a day theft to Detroit an see how they fare

[@dianathompson7597]

@chad porter end NAFTA / tafta / "free trade" raise terriffs will bring jobs back, it's not rocket science just stop the theft

[@unknown-hf3jg]

@@dianathompson7597 Ending free trade will mean less goods that are inferior in quality and cost at least 25% more. Tariffs are essentially a sales tax which is a regressive tax, hitting the lowest income earners the hardest. You only have to look at trumps tariffs which are destroying small businesses and have cost at least 400,000 jobs to see how bad tariffs are.

[@tristanheaton2127]

@@unknown-hf3jg a resource based economy doesn't have jobs

[@KnightOMurk]

Can't have sh1t in Detroit

[@TheSkystrider]

Yeah the idea of living in a small "commune" not necessarily the same as what comes to mind with that word, but something that involves a small community living in the same building, sharing meals and common areas. Multiple adults having an influence on the children's minds and attitudes could help them grow into much more robust adults. Us adults will enjoy more variety in our daily encounters instead of just the same old annoying partner. Would still have monogamy and commit to a partner, it just helps make sure couples can have healthy relationships by having others as part of the shared attitude/lifestyle/passions. And self sustaining appeals to me so we stop putting crap in our oceans!

[@ajtrvll]

Where does all the raw materials to build and maintain the Venus project come from (e.g. iron ore, copper ore, rare earth ore, etc.)? Who transforms those raw materials into all the high-tech products needed to build and maintain the Venus project (e.g. solar panels, supercomputers, sensors, etc.)? Where are the smelters, the chemical plants, the waste treatment, etc?

[@panpiper]

Expropriation and slavery of course.

[@ajtrvll]

Peter Cohen - My point exactly (sort of)... For each Venus project, we need a dozen gigaslums. How great will Venus look surrounded on all sides by poverty, hunger, crime, etc. We need a big wall and drawbridges (Venus already has a moat). Medieval architecture is trending.

[@timrobinson513]

My question is what happens if the city reaches 100% capacity and then some one has a child? Would they build a whole new city just because the population was one person higher?

[@ajtrvll]

Tim Robinson - Good point! Venus project was obviously designed with a maximum capacity. In theory, this is a good principle to have in a finite world.

[@panpiper]

@ajtrvll You can in fact grow infinitely in a finite world if the growth is the result of doing more with less. It just so happens that doing more with less is the fundamental trick to success in business. This is the engine that drives the free market.

[@Wolfsheim23]

a Round concept is much better than THE LINE concept in Saudi Arabia going on right now. A round mall in Dallas Texas is my favorite mall design because it's round so you can get to any store by just continuing in the same direction, never moving from one far away side back to the opposite side.. you just go around the circle and I love it.

[@rafalrolka1011]

“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”.. This quote says everything ... The World cannot be fixed up by the methods we used to create the problems we're facing nowadays... definitely... we need comppletely different socio-economic system...

[@KamskiStudio]

I appreciate Wu-Tang Clan reference.

[@kraka2oanIner]

If you deep-think this through, you can see that money is more of a barrier; a glitch to the human existence. A resource-based economy can overcome this and has vast potential. A lack of humans to becoming emotionally mature - using old survival aspects of the brain instead of the useful cognitive aspects is in the way. In other words, as long as we don't tame reactive and fearful impulses, we'll have difficulty bringing into being a non monetary resource based system, and wars, poverty, and inequality will prevail.

[@therealKINDLE]

I agree. Re-indoctrination is the key to those who are Critical Thinkers, a new culture for children to learn about metacognition at an early age, & those who are already utterly gone.. who have been poisoned by this defunct cruel & corrupt system shall be taken care of & looked after at the very least. So they can be Toxic in their own time & space! lol!

[@nixtoshi]

The main 2 issues that I see with the Venus Project are that: 1. It claims that all economic decisions would be done scientifically, like saying that current economic decisions are unscientific, yet this claim ignores that economics and finance are a science, already. So economic decisions, specially large ones, already take into account economic and financial science, and many times more sciences, like physical feasibility when you consider investing in some new nuclear reactor for example. 2. It assumes that an artificial intelligence would reflect the collective economic desires of all humans, and make better decisions than they would, essentially assuming that human brains would be obsolete at making economic decisions. Yet when put to the test, artificial intelligences are still worse on average than humans at predicting economic trends and trading in the stock market. While it could be possible that in the future to make an AI smarter at economics than all of us combined, economics is such a hard and personal problem that currently the best system we have devised to solve it, is capitalism, which is a system that decentralizes that decision making among all the participants in an economy, and each participant uses his own economic intelligence to manage the size of his or her own economy. We have to also consider that a lot of economic endeavors are highly creative, such as making a new business, and these efforts try to match human desires, so humans, so far, are the best at predicting what each other will value. An artificial intelligence would have to be better at understanding human desires than humans themselves, for it to replace us at creating new businesses, for example.

[@scronyx]

🙌

[@macbuff81]

Money is just a tool as part of an incentive structure. Now, if we can find an alternative method to incentivize people than we really might not need money anymore. This is a very interesting and important topic to talk about given that true artificial intelligence might no longer be that far away. Now as for golf courses: that is a true waste of space

[@m_sedziwoj]

Status, is one of it, is not take resources or money, but it give neural reward to person. You can look at open source community, they do it not for money, but they get reward in different kind, and we can look at it, to make future without money or resources (is two side of same coin)

[@theoverdox]

Its a myth that people only do stuff if they are monetary incentivized. Americans alone gives 8 billion hours of volunteer service worth $193 billion a year. Lets talk about motivations. Intrinsic motivation, the kind of push coming from an internal reason, like your own passion, a pleasure in the task itself, a higher end, a moral value, a sense of rightness. vs Extrinsic motivation, the kind of push coming from an external reason, like a monetary prize, a voucher or a travel reward. This is a really basic distinction, but it’s useful because it’s already able to make motivations (and incentives to elicit them) clearer. For example, the Candle Experiment explained quite clearly how a monetary compensation practically kills any creativity, while at the same time makes mechanical tasks faster. If you are trying to build a community, to foster creativity, to solve problems, DON’T use monetary incentives.

[@panpiper]

Money is not part of an incentive structure. Money is a tool used to facilitate barter. People naturally have incentive to acquire money because it facilitates most everything else. It is however the everything else that they truly want. The money is just a means to those ends.

[@veganath]

Over and above AI embedded automation causing the demise of what makes Capitalism viable i.e. *Labor for income* I agree incentive structures are an important aspect for economic success. My understanding is that the Venus Project proposes the following solutions. Our best method of arriving at solutions to problems is the scientific method. So what we need, given our current science & technology, is a systems engineering approach to designing & constructing entire integrated city systems from the ground up as opposed to the inefficient adhoc cities of today. A design criteria for a Resource Based Economy would be to ensure that people continue to be motivated, today this attitude is waning due to lower perceived prospects for the future. People do not have a vested interest in the locality of the environment or the welfare of the people where they reside. For this undesirable attitude to change the high tech smart cities of the future should be the proverbial goose that lays the golden egg in terms of autonomously meeting ALL the needs of the cities residents locally. In this way people would be motivated to acquire an in depth knowledge of all the engineering systems in order to maintain and improve them. This proposal is not unlike sailors on board a submarine/ship or NASA's isolation missions where the teams work together in remote often harsh locales of grid to maintain their life support systems in order to survive. In these environment there is no need for money as we understand it's use today as is the case within a typical family unit(domestic economy).

[@apmechev]

Getting rid of monetary system because some people don't have enough money is like getting rid of clocks because some people don't have enough time

[@JohnNguyenA]

I was one of the luck one to have met Jacque Fresco in person when he was 97 years young. This world will be better if the idea comes true. He knew that the project takes drastic measure and event especially psychological, behavior modification is required. He never said it was easy. I talked to him about the human greed and individualism, but he insisted that it's possible to change. Before meeting Jacque, I had started a "disaster free floating home" concept but ran into some engineering and monetary limitation.

[@Gisiebob]

I think that they way through that makes the most sense for things like greed and individualism is not a system that confronts it, but one that is indifferent to it. I think that working from a clean slate is unhelpful, like taking a painting on canvas that is unwell and accepting that you have a very very limited amount of paint to change it, making the most economical brushstrokes you can. little changes that make big ripples.

[@lordk.gaimiz6881]

I've been thinking about something like this for a long time now...if I can I'll create it, I guess we'll see...wish me luck ^^

[@dianathompson7597]

Ppl need to talk about this, these ideas are important.

[@lordk.gaimiz6881]

@@dianathompson7597 Very much so

[@MrLanceHeartnet]

It's a good place if you thinking to gathering talented people as citizens. Applicants must be scientists, artisans, inventor, writer and so on...

[@lordk.gaimiz6881]

@@MrLanceHeartnet indeed

[@timonsanchez3347]

To claim it isn't possible,means you're not the one to make it possible, at least not a contributer to it's development in society. But at least you made an effort bringing the subject up, thank you for that.

[@headwyvern11]

Minimum impact, maximum output. It's gonna happen, just a question of how soon now...

[@wolfwithin2967]

Is this who Gene Roddenberry talked too?

[@kykk3365]

"You can grow up to be anything you want!" "I wanna be a doctor." "We don't need any doctors, robots do it." "I wanna be an architect!" "That's already taken care of." "I wanna be a...stripper?" "There ya go!"

[@Nightdare]

Yeah, what life will we lead if there's nothing to strive for? We just sit and make paintings?

[@AAUTZM]

Do you not have any ambition to do what your passionate about? There’s no need to desperately clamour for a job just so you can feel like you’re serving a purpose. You serve a purpose by using the freedom and opportunity to pursue your passion unrestricted by monetary concerns.

[@kykk3365]

@@AAUTZM Let me ask you this; what do you desire? And what is desire?

[@AAUTZM]

Kykk One of the ways I distinguish Needs and wants is that Needs are required, wants are desired. So in the context of a way of life that could enable any “career choice” as it were, what do you desire for your life that would be possible for you in a world unrestricted by pricetags?

[@goodwifeweaver]

I really recommend watching this documentary about TVP kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5OYmqmsmLmpiLM It explains that in a resource-based economy, people would engage in all manner of activities - Fresco's plans include universities and study centers in every city. A resource-based economy would allow for citizens to pursue all manner of "jobs" - teachers, resource managers, engineers, designers, architects, scientists in every field, doctors (robots might diagnose illness, but unlikely they would take over for all hands-on medical work), nurses, child care workers, museum curators, counselors, artists, musicians, botanists and garden managers and instructors, librarians, problem-solvers of all types... We could also put a great focus on interstellar study and potential travel. The only jobs that would really no longer exist in a resource-based economy would be dangerous, dirty, backbreaking, and/or boring work like mining, military and police as we know them, construction, agricultural work, warehouse work, most service jobs...as well as jobs related to capitalism itself like banker, CEO, stock trader, etc. One thing that is important to understand is that replacing human labor in these types of fields with computers and robots would free humans up to engage in deeply rewarding activities like travel, study, research, child rearing, the arts, social clubs, and other forms of social engagement. I tend to describe the Venus Project in action as something similar to Star Trek the Next Generation. Anyone who has watched that show knows that money and poverty do not exist, however, people are motivated by things far better than money - interest, love, capacity, the social good, wanting to leave a legacy, public health, etc. I think it is probably a great example of where a resource based economy could go, and what it might look like.

[@johnnycakeslim]

I appreciate your review. This concept was first introduced when I watched the movie Zeitgeist 2 Addendum. We are definately stuck currently with Capitolism. This concept would need a fresh start and years to work out. To me personally it feels like a great way to set up and run society .

[@matthewforsee5092]

Thanks for another great video! You mentioned a number of assumptions that you took exception to and I just wanted to add one that I found in the FAQ,that you linked, about the difference between communism and the Venus Project. "Police, prisons and the military would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people." The world is so complex that there will always be situations, on a single citizen to nation state level, that will need some sort of arbitration and this city would have to co-exist with other Non-Venus Project economies(at least at the beginning) which probably do have a Military creating an existential threat that would require something in response to it. I guess the tricky part of that answer posted is in the assumption "available to all people". You never will get "all" people, at least at once. At first it could prove successful and start to get copied, but the current control forces that can act will act to protect themselves from losing power. Very complex stuff. I always say the future of humanity is either Caveman or Spaceman and this video accurately points out the challenges society faces moving forward. Thanks for all your great videos and your reasonable thoughts!

[@Nightdare]

I always liked this quote: 3 men stand before god, god asks them: "Which one of you wants war?" only 1 raises his hand, god points at him and says: "He wins" The future for humanity like always is competition and necessity, the 2 driving forces the Venus project wishes to eradicate

[@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself]

Utopia is always defeated by the greedy who always want to take everything from everyone else.

[@lets7121]

Well its been said a million times The Venus Project is not a Utopia. and always infers forever. You do not know what will happen.

[@matthewkopp2391]

Being that Fresco proposed hydroponic agriculture in skyscrapers and massive interior structures perhaps the best places to explore the idea would be in Northern Canada, Siberia, Southern Argentina and if you can desalinate water which we have some technology for desert areas by the ocean can also use the model. It also probably could be a good model for Iceland which already has geothermal energy. Being that geothermal is one of frescos proposals and I think Iceland citizens would be excited for such a sustainable development. If the community was self sustaining and was designed to produce enough abundance for exports to gain outside resources it could be a good model for now. It might be a good model to really colonize isolated places on earth.

[@IbangedYaMama]

Who wants to live in Northern Canada and Siberia ?

[@matthewkopp2391]

Yayaya123 People who would otherwise be living underwater if they don’t move.

[@IbangedYaMama]

@@matthewkopp2391 There is plenty of space in southern Canada, no need to be extreme :P

[@khaias7822]

I live in the middle of nowhere’s N.B Canada (south, Near U.S border.) plenty of space here 😛👌🏼

[@jbaker1279]

Another thing, there’s a company that’s invented a 3D printer that builds a fully functional house for the estimated cost of $4,500. They’ve come up with this to solve the housing crisis in El Salvador if I remember correctly. Genuine in my opinion.

[@GabrielKnightz]

Never knew of such a man, thanks Joe. Why circles though, wouldn't a honeycomb structure make more sense? Two technological leaps for this vision to come true would have to be 1) efficient batteries (already being worked on) and 2) Android slaves. It would start a sort of second human renaissance.

[@jwenting]

the circle is a great symbol. Everyone can look towards the center where those controlling their lives and everything else in their world do their godlike work. Within a few generations (if that long) the center will include housing for the elite and barracks from which issue forth the riot control troops to keep the population under control when they complain about the latest reduction in rations or increase in work hours.

[@Dss-bm3rz]

This kinda reminds me of the book "the giver". Great read btw

[@insmmi]

The problem is everyone of us have a "Dream Life" that One giant city idea would not encompass everyone's dream. That Idea would give every person an iPhone "but I want an Android!"

[@beckyhumphreys6790]

Exactly! It seems like the cities would remove all individuality and culture...

[@RuBbRaZoR]

Rebecca Humphreys you’re “individuality” is merely a result of the propaganda that has trickled through the generations of crappy products honestly it’s not saying people can’t choose to have what phone they want but it is saying if everyone can’t sustainably own a phone we as a species shouldn’t bring on that technology until we have the proper resources that our capacity holds which if you honestly use those terms in any other aspect in life then in context to money then it will make complete sense to you

[@lets7121]

@@beckyhumphreys6790 you must have not studied it much. it's the complete opposite.

[@MiguelAngel-vi4oq]

That’s the king of thinking we need to get rid of. We need a smart phone period, neither and iphone or an android.

[@tylerriojas6250]

take the best of both-make a new one. One that doesn't break on purpose. Prob take less than a year for engineers if money and politics weren't involved .

[@ericocccams5865]

the biggest obstacle is not to reject money bit to reject price and debt

[@SuperNovaJinckUFO]

I think it's important to stress that Fresco never said capitalism should be abolished. He imagined that money would be a part of the Resource Based Economy as society involved until the lack of scarcity removed the need for a currency

[@trezspre]

Yep, cause its not good to throw away the money system directly, we need to work away from it tho, souch as universal basic income then there from work away from it

[@rafaelrp07]

@alugwin I was looking for this comment. Thanks!

[@lets7121]

@@trezspre doesn't matter if its good or bad, it would be impossible to "throw away". Of course all change happens slowly.

[@erknjerk35]

How would they choose who lives in a house and who lives in an apartment without money?

[@alexanderthompson5713]

Good question. Maybe based on their job or service that they provide?

[@BooDamnHoo]

@@alexanderthompson5713 So, ugly socialism where elites "know better than you" so they get to decide your "worth". No homes would be HELL. People want and build THEIR home because natural. Anything else requires imposition upon you by force. All Utopias are based on tyrannical force. Communism is based on forever. Forcing people to give up their nature and accept what some elites decided they deserve and are allowed to have.

[@sumobowler3790]

people decide for themselves. there would be no mortgages so there is no more or no less financial stability depending if one rents or buys. and peoples ridiculous false need of "keeping up with the Joneses" goes away. in a world without silly make believe competition people will be happy having just their basic needs met. that doesn't mean the residences will be bare bones, the homes depicted in Future By Design look quite nice actually, almost luxurious

[@guai9632]

fight to the death?

[@nathansmith3244]

You would choose what you wanted. Then the computer would give you options of locations. All home locations would available on time scale. You want beach front sure here are 55 options, want a cabin in woods type home 65 options. Want a high rise apt. 90 options. But they wouldn't be the house builds of today. They would be modular able to be moved and swapped. Your cabin this year and a high rise next year. But niether home exists until your ready to move. They are made on demand shipped to your space and installed via bots. Also the computer systems would know how you like your tea, what meals you've ate over the last year, your walking & sleeping patterns, your TV viewing & any conversations you've had via electronic devices & it might even monitor your conversations. No government will have access to this information. It will be used by a general AI to be like a personal assistant. Then when you say he siri I'm thinking of moving show me places I might like it will pop up with 150 options. Essentially empty slots. But it will 3d render a cottage that it believes you would like or a apt & show you the balcony pool cause it knows you like those. Then you choose one it says ok that will be ready in 30 days would you like packing bots or would you prefer to pack yourself?

[@arniescorner1197]

Just realized that the whole Tony Stark's dad's city of the future is a copy-paste of this.

[@danpenia219]

Both things are based on Buckminster Fuller's work

[@therealKINDLE]

@@danpenia219 Which proves the point Fresco was trying to make - we can achieve more together for everyone's benefit. Sharing knowledge & ideas. Making money just seems so primitive & dirty now. The whole economic system is defunct.

[@AwakenTheWoke]

Please do a new video on this based on new information you've gathered. I believe the RBE system is the best way to build a better future for humanity...

[@ShawnHodgins]

@Joe - Jacque visited Walt years before the release of the designs for EPCOT. Otherwise, the video was great! Fantastic research you did for this video. Much respect.

[@joescott]

Yeah, someone else pointed that it. I didn’t see that before I put the video out there. But looking at the designs, I’m not surprised.

[@sidkaskey]

It was my memory that some of the designers visited Jacque in Miami. [I was renting a room from him at the time]. I remember coming back to the house and he mentioned he talked about a meeting with folks from Disney to discuss his design. I never heard him mention meeting with Disney himself.

[@kylenoe2234]

I support this.

[@hanloncaldwell8571]

Was that a subtle Jim Gaffigan reference with the hot pocket joke? Nice.

[@etienne8382]

I do believe that any manner in which we can reduce our physical footprint and create space for fauna and flora to thrive is how we should proceed to transform the built environment and protect biodiversity. Existing technology can make this possible with building cities above the landscape, reusing existing buildings, re-wilding spent land. I think if anyone in involved in the built environment is reading this, architects, builders, designers, town planners, keep this in mind and see how you can improve what you are creating to not be destructive.

[@tylerriojas6250]

It's interesting you mention this because I suppose it would depend on the landscape. I'd love to get environment pros involved in that idea. For example I live in a town buried in for trees next to a large creek that runs into a river. There was a large flood in 2007. Keep in mind this town was founded about 100 years ago as a main timber producer. You've probably seen it on Ax men show. The town responded by moving the school to a hill( the other ones were destroyed for being too low). New houses are now being built to code 6 feet off the ground because of insurance. So this is sort of in effect but poorly planned. I was thinking of perhaps portable generators that can be placed under the house to generate power from the current or some other use. Also considering platforms that connects buildings in walkway networks or miniature boats etc. I am a game designer though, I copy other peoples real world work. Id love architects and city planners to give their expertise. Closest I can think is talk to city council and the mayor here and see if they would be ok with a small research compound in town.

[@etienne8382]

Would love to see some competition by AIA or another organisation with the theme being - Build Above the Canopy. Ideally building above nature one would need to consider how to build it not to impact on Sunlight reaching plants and animals, no impact on prevailing winds, footing taking minimal space etc. I’m no expert but I do think it seems like a worth while approach. And then like you said how to connect structures for transport and logistics. I do think perhaps changing how we move, I.e. smaller vehicles that can move on a cable or even having the town planned to be totally pedestrian. One issue I foresee is if this type of approach allow people to live in areas where they previously would not have had access to, they might just start dumping waste off the side into the forest below. Thus how one manages waste is also important. I think there is a lot of overlap with game design and visualisation in Architecture using something like the Unreal Engine. And this can be used to imagine future cities as well. In the 60s Archigram’s imagined walking cities taking resources as the move along to I guess greener pastures in a world that is depleted. I think incorporating ideas into games is a great way to communicate thoughts that can improve the built environment. And art is also a great way to communicate ideas.

[@tylerriojas6250]

@@etienne8382 if I could love this comment I would. This right here is why we need that research center.! Unreal has been mentioned a few times. I have personal experience with it and think it's the way to go. Idea exchanges should be categorized and sorted. Like we do in software development with bugs and tasks.

[@tylerriojas6250]

@@etienne8382 what if they make package for most things biodegradable and like out of material that breaks down into nutrients for the soil?

[@etienne8382]

@@tylerriojas6250 I’ll try to find you on linked in if you don’t mind. Then maybe we can share some thoughts. I think there are so many great ideas that can be shared just need people in the right roles to drive the ideas to make an improvement.