The VERY Messed Up Origins™ of Pocahontas (REVISITED!) | Disney Explained

[@JonSolo]

Thanks for watching, Solo Cups! This was a fun (and kind of depressing) story to revisit! I'm curious: what are YOUR thoughts on the movie? Do you like it? Do you think the inaccuracies are justified since the movie spreads awareness of Pocahontas's existence? Or should Disney have refrained from making the movie at all? Let me know! (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)⁣ ▼ Podcast Links! ▼ » Apple: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... » Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/0zC1NxC... » Google Podcasts: www.google.com/podcasts?feed=... » Amazon Music: music.amazon.com/podcasts/e2a... » Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/podcast/jon-... » iHeartRadio: iheart.com/podcast/99117988/

[@BoiiBlu]

hello i am a huge fan

[@garveyneal1672]

When will you do messed origins of Disney Villains?

[@isaiahadams1996]

I’m still waiting on that Messed Up Origins of The Prince of Egypt

[@ArtingFromScratch]

Pocahontas is Disney's attempt to apologize for Peter Pan.... Good timing though Honest Trailers literally JUST released Pocahontas today too

[@emilycurtis4398]

I feel like if Pocahontas was presented in a writer's room today, it would be more about her resilience and possibly give her a happy ending. I like the film, it's a visual masterpiece, but the inaccuracies are as uncomfortable as the animated Anastasia (also visually stunning).

[@micah459]

I'm cool with people having their own versions of fiction, but changing the story of a real person and glorifying her tragedy is messed up.

[@RedRoseSeptember22]

No one is glorifying anything. You're living in fantasy land if you think that.

[@shawnhall3849]

@@RedRoseSeptember22 Disney didn’t just glorify it?

[@lalehiandeity1649]

Hollywood!

[@PanzerShrek94]

Changing fiction is only ok until it remains non canon.If they try to pass it off as part of the canon stories then it's wrong.

[@mayaha200]

Where did Disney said the story in the movie is accurate to the real life one? Where?

[@MizzTT2U]

As a member of the Chickahominy tribe myself it's amazing that Disney actually got the pronouncing of the names correctly. Do I wish they would have listened to the tribal members that came out to help Disney with the movie more so on the acualt history then just how the homes and traditional practices went. Yes, but I get it can't go with the truth if it looks really bad with her age being a minor.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

They went the socially responsible route because it cost less money than to completely rework the story to make their relationship platonic.

[@anim4188]

But you forgot to add pocahontas 2 in where she travels to England, she is treated like a show pony in the movie, at some point shes looking for Smith and then sails off with a whole other John

[@KD_OIFMedicM6]

The truth is she was feeling fine up until dinner, her companion thinks that she was murdered. National Park Service website

[@RedRoseSeptember22]

Yeah that was based on the fact she married another man and if I recall correctly, died giving birth to his son on the way back to her homeland. But I'm not sure.

[@FaunaturaleOG]

@@RedRoseSeptember22 yeah irl she ended up being married to Rolfe, bore him a son and died in her early 20's. Her father died of a broken heart, never seeing his daughter again.

[@FaunaturaleOG]

Ironically the second film was a touch more accurate to her real life experience than the first

[@nbHawkeye]

@@FaunaturaleOG Her uncle than became the new chieftain and if those storis are true became a coldblooded ruler that killed many settlers.

[@grapeshot]

Yeah Disney definitely went with the whole exotic woman falls in love with the first white guy she sees trope. Actually Pocahontas was a very tragic story.

[@JStryker47]

Hey, if he loves her too, then... what's the big deal?

[@KD_OIFMedicM6]

@@JStryker47 Kokoum was her husband and was murdered, Solo took down my og comment

[@RedRoseSeptember22]

Oh boohoo.

[@lilacdreams0120]

@@KD_OIFMedicM6 kokoum wasnt her husband. She was bethrothed to him but they didnt formally marry in the movie

[@cindyduangmala554]

Disney actually told a nicer part of the story because he wanted kids to have something good in a world full of hate he explained it

[@emilycurtis4398]

I heard Russell Means speak at a lecture series at my college. He was supportive of the film given his own indigenous advocacy, and loved the idea of "white girls affectionately treating their Pocahontas dolls." So that was an interesting argument, where he was more focused on the cultural shift than the historical accuracy. (I remember reading that Pocahontas' friend, Nakoma, has a hairstyle more reflective of South West Indigenous Nations)

[@Darkhuntersrule]

My brother is half Native American (same mom, diff dads) He has dual citizenship with Canada where he as worked his whole adult life as a Native American/Aboriginal rights advocate. He was also friends with Russell Means but when the movie came out he was very upset and called him a sellout. He softened his stance years later LOL My brother's name is Russell Diabo.

[@emilycurtis4398]

@@Darkhuntersrule Tiger Eyes with Russell Means and his son Tanaka was beautifully done. Based on the Judy Blue book. I just wonder how much pain and anger Means had throughout his life. I remember Disney was bringing in tons of Native groups to make sure the film was respectful. I can't see Means praising it or reprising his role in the sequel if he was upset with the portrayal of Native Americans. (This does not discredit those with serious concerns. Definitely a film I'll have to talk through my son with when he's old enough to watch it.)

[@Darkhuntersrule]

@@emilycurtis4398 well I think he did an excellent job in The Last of the Moichians

[@emilycurtis4398]

@@Darkhuntersrule I watched Last of the Mohicans in college. Very good film.

[@MrChristianDT]

They say the original intention of the movie was to keep it more authentic to reality, but Disney wanted a movie that checked all the hallmark Disney boxes- love interest, clear villain, morals, etc. What I think happened was Russell Means was told beforehand that the story would be accurate & didn't really know much more about it than white people of the time, so never saw much of a problem with the changes, only realized how off it was once the movie came out & chose, then, to focus on the positive. Dude was kind of nuts, but he did care about his people.

[@freckle_face2254]

Thank you so much for making this video. The things Pocahontas + her people and other Native Americans had to go through were disgusting and upsetting. Thank you for shedding light on the subject!!! Edit: can’t wait for next weeks episode!! Sounds extremely interesting :)))

[@dylonlord4784]

I wanted to request some history on celtic mythology I love your videos and how you explain stuff so I think your explanation of celtic mythos would be awesome cause it's pretty weird and dark like norse and Slavic mythology

[@misbeautifulable]

Like those banshees and some Irish folklore

[@tasha34658]

I would love that too.

[@moonprincesst.s.h.4ever115]

If I remember correctly, Pocahontas ' descendants went to see the directors and offered their help in writing the script and they declined.

[@MizzTT2U]

Disney did come out and speak to members of the different tribes, like the Chickahominy, who told them the truth but as you can see they didn't go by it. They did get all of the homes of the natives and the regalia correct but that's about it.

[@yourfavoritenothing2.086]

Wait why did they decline?

[@Mikumo91]

@@yourfavoritenothing2.086 Because the real story wouldnt work as a movie, let alone a Disney one. They should have just make original characters and say it was inspired by the Pocahontas legends. Some people would still be upset (because that's how people are), but a lot less I believe. On the other hand, I'm sure a lot less people outside of America would know about Pocahontas and her real story.

[@moonprincesst.s.h.4ever115]

@@yourfavoritenothing2.086 Because they already knew that the real story would not sell as a Disney animated film, and they wanted to do things their own way. Although, I still applaud Disney for finding a way to make the life story of Pocahontas and the myth of Hercules / Heracles kid friendly.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

@@moonprincesst.s.h.4ever115 You can’t say they made them kid friendly by twisting the truth to the point that they no longer resemble the real story.

[@sabrinaloizides-merideth9874]

As someone who lives in Virginia where the movie is supposedly set, I've been wondering where those waterfalls are my ENTIRE life! LOL! They couldn't even get the terrain right.

[@DrDolan2000]

Oops

[@michellecrocker2485]

For example, Pocahontas was just a kid when she met John Smith who was like twice her age. A romance would never have happened. Plus one theory on the episode where she saves John Smith from execution was in actuality an adoption ritual

[@thenonexistinghero]

Pretty sure actual romances between adults and children have happened quite a bit through history. It didn't happen in this case, but honestly an adult guy in history falling in love with a 10-12 year old girl and marrying her isn't that hard to find.

[@findingbeautyinthepain8965]

@@karoline7194 Thank you! It bothers me how people today don’t understand the age girls wed in history, and yet, they say things never would have happened. Queen Victoria’s family was considered the ideal of morality everyone should follow, and she had many of her daughters get married at age 14. Baby girls were often betrothed to men while they were still in the cradle. Of corse they wouldn’t actually marry these men until they bled, but that could be as early as age 11 or 12. Thankfully, it wasn’t common for girls to bleed around age 9 or 10, like it is today. Whether this was true pedophilia is debatable though. Most men from that time only slept with their wives to create offspring. They usually slept with their mistresses the rest of the time. Men rarely married someone they liked or found attractive either. They married whoever had the most money and social connections. So marrying a child to sleep with them would be a bit bizarre. Records also show, these men’s mistresses were actual adults. So I think the issue is more that they thought children magically became adults when they bled. There was no such thing as a teenager. There were babies, children, and adults. I can’t imagine how traumatizing it was for girls to go from children to adults and forced into marriage so fast.

[@shawnhall3849]

@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 but you would never excuse prophet Muhammad of Islam for marrying his child bride aisha. Double standards

[@tarakennedy707]

I think he was more like 3 times her age tbh

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 Well, marryying that young was also mainly in noble and royal circles. Regular women, if they married, would usually do so in their early to mid 20's.

[@dragolingrand8607]

I’d like to see you do a messed up origins on the mayflower voyagers aka the pilgrims. Because the story about explorers and natives having a dinner of peace and harmony is far from the truth... from my knowledge at least.

[@KD_OIFMedicM6]

when you contradict Solo because he just did the same thing as disney, he will delete your comment

[@drknmysterious]

@@KD_OIFMedicM6 what?

[@Bookwormtalksabout]

I heard a theory that John’s “execution” was a practice of the chief’s power. It was a ceremony where it would look like he was going to kill John and Pocahontas’ role was to step in and ask her father for mercy. This was to show the chief as a powerful but merciful leader

[@FayBelleRose233]

Disney Jon Solo: He hurt his back because he was saving children who trapped in cave. Rea-life Jon Solo: Hurt his back while squatted at LA Fitness. I am sorry Jon I couldn't help my self. But you are right through Disney made John Smith way better than how he actually was in real life.

[@melaniechorak251]

I saw your Thanksgiving episode first. Ty for covering my people accurately. Many times I've had to correct people that she was a child and her name was actually Mataoka. The way my tribe worked you had a nickname until a ceremony giving your tribal name. Like how now we have modern English names and a tribal name later. Keep up the good work correcting my culture. It was frustrating growing up native in the public school system. So much bad historical information.

[@youtubecommentergal4346]

"He was injured by a gun powder explosion while lighting his pipe." Lol man's was about to blow himself up.That made me laugh.😂

[@hackman669]

Shot himself haha 😄

[@nbHawkeye]

The story of Pocahontas is how a girl about 12 years of age was abducted, raped, shown off as a living trophy, was forced to marry a man much older than her and when she warned her people of what the englishmen planned was probably poisoned. That whole part about her saving John Smith? Most likely only a thing the real man made up. How Disney even came up with the idea to make a movie about such a horrifying tragedy baffles me to this day.

[@humility-righteous-giving]

kidnapping was common back then, natives kidnapped too, marrying young wasn't even taboo then. yeah i guess she was raped ,but did she actually say it? and how do you know she didn't adjust to her new life and eventually lived happy within it and even came to love and cared about her man? ... after all she was not exposed to tv or the internet to tell her how she should feel🙂 and without outside influence people tend to adapt to whatever situation they are in . and you cannot for 1 second convince me that she was on constant lockdown or supervision because she was a flight risk

[@nbHawkeye]

@@humility-righteous-giving I saw several documentaries and read several articles about her and all of them say mostly the same things. When a few of her sisters visited her in captivity on the ship the was lured to she told them she had been raped several times by different men. This sadly happened to many native women. Some of the articles also said the whole thing happened to her on the trip back to England. Before that she believed her powhatan husband would save her, little did she know the man had been murdered shortly after her captivity. She even bore a child of one of those men. Some now say she was forced to become a christian, some said she willingly did it, the truth is lost to time. In England "Rebecca" was then shown around like an exotic animal. She was more or less forced to marry the much older John Rolfe, the whole thing sounded more like a business plan. Some stories say she actually fell in love with this man, some claim this did not happen like her saving John Smith. She did bore Rolfe's child. In March 1617 when she was only 20 or 21 Pocahontas died. Some native americans visited her and at dinner she told them about some things the settlers want to do to the tribe. Shortly after that she suddenly fell ill and died. It's most likely she had been poisoned. The people who visited her were then sold to circuses as attractions. When her father learned about her early demise he died shortly after. Her story is one big tragedy.

[@humility-righteous-giving]

@@nbHawkeye what you say sounds truthful, have not really delved into the story, as a jew i am bothered by the extreme racism against whites like they are and were the scourge of earth, and that the natives and african's were living a peaceful moral existence until the "white devil" showed up and ruined their "heaven on earth" existence ,,the native tribes were constantly fighting each other ,kidnapping was common, scalping was of native origin, africans were the same, they were also eating each other on the regular and not due to lack of food, if africans or the natives were the technologically advanced ones ,then they would have come to Europe and done the to the Europeans the same,,, they are not and were not of higher moral character than Europeans ,in fact it could be argued that back then Europeans were in fact of a higher moral character in comparison, and getting along well enough is what spurred technological advancement

[@MrChristianDT]

There's a bit more to the story. She had been visiting Jamestown for years, showing an interest in learning English & knew several of the people, there, including Smith. Of course, the Anglo-Powhatan War starts- ironically, caused by John Smith's severe disrespect to Chief Powhatan, the same day as his sudden accidental injury, which apparently occurred whole completely surrounded by his own people, on a boat, while he was asleep following said meeting- and Jamestown is put under seige, with minimal supplies, for years. The English actually lost the war & surrendered to Powhatan, who forced them to pledge loyalty to him in return for their lives. Pocahontas- now an adult- assumes all the fighting is over &, when she & her husband come across an English ship, she wants to take a closer look at it, assuming all is well between whites & natives. Unfortunately, they get her and some others on the ship, take them captive (probably with intent to sell them into slavery) & kill all who resist, including her husband. But, they happen to stop at Jamestown & the people there recognize her, so James Rolfe buys up the lot & sends a message to Powhatan that the war has actually not ended, & if the Powhatan do not surrender to England & give up their sovereignty, Pocahontas & the other captives will be executed. Powhatan resists surrendering just to save his daughter for a while, as it would be selfish to do to his people, but ultimately relents, at which point Pocahontas is apparently infuriated that her father took so long & turns on her people, just long enough to become a Christian & decide to marry James Rolfe.

[@Neku628]

Yup, and Pocahontas also had a kid with the creep she was forced to wed.

[@jenniferhunt9971]

Jamestown Virginian here. The pronunciation for Pocahontas’s mothers tribe is Mattaponi. (Mat-ta-Poe-nye)

[@kendallthompson2027]

I earned in my 10th grade early American lit class that John Smith wrote his journals in the third person to make himself out to be the hero of an adventure book. He wanted to be the main character so he wrote himself as a literary hero so people reading it would think that someone else wrote it about him and it wasn't for egotistical and narcissistic purposes. He literally wanted someone to find his journals, read about this great adventure hero and be like "Wow, John Smith is so cool. He's like Indiana Jones." So a lot of the things that happened are dramatized for his novel.

[@j.t.7671]

Writing about yourself in third person so that people who read it will think that someone else wrote all this great stuff about you sounds pretty egotistical to me.

[@angell48]

That literally sounds egotistical and narcissistic 💀

[@pianoninja5276]

He’s killin me with the chiefs name Powhatan lol it’s pronounced Pow-ah-tan. Almost like Power-tan. My home town in Virginia is named after him

[@zacharisincennes8026]

As far as I'm concrened, I don't consider Pocahontas and John Smith a Disney couple. I consider Pocahontas and John Rolfe a Disney couple, because that's who she ultimately ends up with romantically according to the sequel.

[@expressiondestination6430]

Shame on KZbin for not notifying me about this. Learning the real story as a kid from my native friends parents really opened my eyes from an early age

[@sm00rezd]

Right I didn’t get a notification either 😭

[@user-ez4fk6tf6v]

Thankyou for revisiting this Disney story and the true history behind it. It's disheartening knowing what happened to her and what has continued to happen to native Americans to this day.

[@Thornfinna876]

Could you please do a mess up orgins on Frankenstein please

[@FaunaturaleOG]

I think another film that absolutely tramples on the hard realities was the animated version of The King & I. Pretty much a solid remake of the live action bar a couple scenes, but would be an interesting topic to go into Jon!

[@sheilarough236]

I agree. Anna Leowens who wrote a memoir that the king & I was based on , completely embellished a lot of her time as tutor to the King of Siam’s children. First of all , she was Anglo/Indian who was born & raised in India. But the King did offer to send war elephants to president Lincoln to help with the civil war

[@sheilarough236]

I didn’t realize there was an animated version of The King and I. I only know of the one starring Yul Brynner, who played the King in over 6000 performances, in film and on Broadway

[@jessicaable5095]

@@sheilarough236 it involves sea monsters, an evil sorcerer and a climax involving a hot air balloon.

[@AmazingJuju]

I grew up watching the animated movie a lot and I even still have the VHS tape of it, and some of the songs are nice and nostalgic , but I listened/watched it again after a long time and it felt weird how they portrayed some things. I think an episode on the story would be really interesting, I would love to know the origins of where they got everything from!

[@AmazingJuju]

@@jessicaable5095 with those parts front and center of why are they in the movie and the origins of it 😅

[@pamelamays4186]

Disney totally Disney-fied Pocohantas' life in England.

[@RedRoseSeptember22]

I don't get why everyone expects *Disney* a *family friendly* company to pump out 100% accuracte films. They make cartoons. Get over it.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

@@RedRoseSeptember22 They don’t have to make movies based on existing stories, whether real or not.

[@angell48]

@@RedRoseSeptember22 no people except them to not whitewash and remake terrible historical events in a positive light, they could’ve made something original like other movies but instead rewrote a tragic story. You don’t see people making Anne franks story kid friendly 😐

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

@@angell48 It was a different time when Pocahontas came out. Ya’ll act like they recently came out with this.

[@angell48]

@@tiahnarodriguez3809 slavery was a different time as well but that didn’t make it ok💀 duh it didn’t just come out but people can still look back and say/realize it wasn’t right💀

[@crissy297]

Pocohantas was my favorite growing up. Ready to hear it torn to shreds with the truth.

[@ModHaterHD2003]

2 Am in the morning perfect Time for one of your Videos I can just agree

[@sakilynn]

I these old Disney books, and one of them touched on what points on history inspired some of their works, Pocahontas included. Learning her life was a bit of a brain-flipper, but ultimately helped the sequel make so much sense. Boy was I a silly kid for yelling at my TV when I saw her kissing John Rolf at the end.

[@theduchessofspring2395]

I have--according to my mom's cousin, who is the self-designated genealogist/family historian--somewhere up in our family tree, an ancestor who at one in his life served under John Smith for a good many years. Idk if it was during this Pocahontas business, but afterwards he went on to write a book about his experience and about how incompetent Smith really was.😂

[@CleoHarperReturns]

This, right here. This is why we love you, Jon!

[@dyslexictreki7087]

I have it on good authority that the disneyfication of your injury makes about as much sense as John Smith being sent on a three month boat trip to recover from a gun shot wound to the chest. I have a friend who was a teacher in a third world country and had to have me talk to her coworkers on identifying learning disabilities in students and to convince them it didn't mean they were stupid, because they don't test for it. It went about as well as would be expected given I'm literally a white lady telling them how to do their job. But she tried.

[@findingbeautyinthepain8965]

I commend you for trying to respectfully navigate that very tricky situation. I completely understand how it difficult it would be to try to teach teachers in another country our social model of disability, without making them feel like you’re saying the white way is the best way. But as a disabled woman and disability activist, I also completely understand that we can’t just sit back and watch people treat children with disableist attitudes. It would be so interesting if more research could be done on changing social attitudes about disability without pushing white culture onto these countries.

[@chamorvenigo3128]

Yeah, it's pretty hard to convince people that their students are not stupid, it's them who are "stupid" (the actual saying "there is no bad students, only bad teachers"). Even in US and other developed countries, where teachers are empowered to create their own teaching materials on the fly, there were a variety of success. I discussed this with a friend recently. It seems like the pay and benefits (stable, low paid but with good prospect and pension, etc.) of the job helps attracts certain types of people to the job of teaching. So, in order to attract people that can create teaching materials on the fly (effectively), the pay and benefits has to compete with those of advertising firms 🤣!?

[@dyslexictreki7087]

@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 that's part of the reason why I chose the name I did for my channel. Hopefully, some parent with a newly diagnosed child, or a child with dyslexia will see what I do and reconsider their child's potential.

[@Gentlemenpickleesq.]

Technically not a lie the key word is "inspired". Make no mistake it frustrates me too because EVERY MOVIE that says "inspired by true events" DOES THIS...! They know what they are doing and know most people will automatically think "we'll it's true" not it's "BASED ON" real events........

[@BLack_N8TIVE]

Good thing you did this on Indigenous Heritage Month and you know the truth about her ❤

[@KD_OIFMedicM6]

John is keeping it covered too

[@Pradapussy]

@@KD_OIFMedicM6 what is he covering

[@shawnhall3849]

@@Pradapussy it’s very watered down

[@turt530]

Disney disrespecting source material noo can't be

[@ElicBehexan]

When Pocahontas, Indian in the Cupboard, Babe and some other movie, were at the dollar theater, I went to see all of them, on Thanksgiving Day, and my birthday. The staff were surprised I was electing to go see dollar flics on both my birthday and Thanksgiving, but it was a rainy, cold miserable day in Dallas Texas. The reason was that the rest of the family went to the football game with the Dallas Cowboys. In between these movies, I was cross stitching, so I was sitting under a light to see what I was doing. A mother and 2 kids came in for Pocahontas. I had to explain that this was a fantasy story, not real history. I was a history minor (30 hours, so I could've had a double major) in college, and my family, while not from Virginia, were among the earliest settlers in New Jersey. I knew Pocahontas was very young, even by the standards of the day, and it was several years before she married. I remember hating the movie, oh, it was beautiful, but I kept wanting to 'fix' it. I kind of hope that family went home and did some actual research on the reality of it.

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

Sounds snobby tbh. Let the kids enjoy their movie, and when they’re older, and at an appropriate age they can research the true story on their own, or they can wait till they learn about it in their social studies class like the rest of us. You didn’t have to do anything, you just want to flex on your “moral” superiority.

[@ElicBehexan]

@@tiahnarodriguez3809 no, don't tell them lies, create a new thing, don't go stealing and lying to children

[@kay123kay]

When I watched the movie the thing that confused me most was *why* on Earth would an injured John Smith risk a long, grotty sea voyage to receive "treatment" in a city that was filthy, where disease was rampant, and surgeons didn't wash their instruments 🤢🤮

[@Tips_Blackpink]

He likes the smell of Ingrown toenail lingering inside his boots while getting soaked up with water. Yummm 😌

[@kay123kay]

@@Tips_Blackpink yummy 😅😆

[@s.g5168]

"Pocahontas encounters John Smith in the wilderness he was about to blast her in the face with his gun until he realized that she's kinda hot." 7:54 love how much shade was thrown in this one 😂

[@ShyniquaStalling]

So I'm 1:54 seconds in when you talk about sacrificing the Like and Subscribe buttons and it hits me that you have the perfect voice, pitch and snark for running a Call of Cthulhu RPG session. The thought crossed my mind of you telling people to "roll sanity" with our usual snarky flair and I admit it made me giggle a bit. Random thought of the day.

[@SaturnWhiskey]

I’ve always loved anything that is historically accurate, and other people hate watching movies w me for that.💀 But this channel has made me feel better bc I’m not the only nerd out here.

[@Cc-xh6pn]

You are not alone 🙃

[@KD_OIFMedicM6]

It is still NOT historically accurate

[@RedRoseSeptember22]

@@KD_OIFMedicM6 Who gives a crap!!!

[@shawnhall3849]

@@RedRoseSeptember22 historians and history buffs do

[@shawnhall3849]

@@RedRoseSeptember22 and I’m sure Pocahontas gives a crap

[@brandonhuff336]

This is my last video to watch before I go to boot camp! Wish me luck!!

[@Dagothownsneravar]

I find it both hilarious and sad that you did better on this story than some big name historical programs on here who still perpetuate the lie that this was some beautiful romantic fantasy

[@FaerieAmira]

This is why I didn't like Pocahontas not even as a kid, it felt off as a kid and then when I learned the real story I just hated it even more, only good thing about it was colors of the wind 😂

[@angell48]

I didn’t like it either and especially after I found out the real story behind it

[@erickhart8046]

This was one always hits pretty close to home for me thanks for covering the truth of the story.

[@constipatedinsincity4424]

I was going to take you and the Wife to meet Wayne Newton who is descendant of Pocahontas son .When the movie was 1st released they were trying to get her body returned back here to the States and have her lain to rest with her people. See when You 2 were going to meet him here in Las Vegas. He had some very rare items that may have belonged to her and her father. That would have been a perfect time to give you 2 kids your wedding present. It was from the heart that I wanted to gift you. Did you ever get pictures of London Bridge while you were in Az?

[@Thomas_H._Smith]

So is Pocahontas gonna be the next big thing for a while? Because the Honest Trailer and Messed Up Origins, were released on the same day.

[@sarahprince2412]

You watch Honest Trailer? I love that series. I just watched it too before this episode. It makes sense though to see them both come out today since Thanksgiving is in 2 days. They needed Thanksgiving content. Just like how they had stuff come out during Halloween last month. There’s not really much in terms of Thanksgiving content. It really is stuck between the 2 big dog holidays and gets forgotten or pushed to the side. The story of Pocahontas and the Pilgrims really is pretty much it in terms of content that is very well known to everyone. So I don’t think Pocahontas is really the next big thing. Just Thanksgiving content for us. Hence why we are getting this content from different channels.

[@Thomas_H._Smith]

@@sarahprince2412 Fair enough, I guess I forgot about the fact that it's American Thanksgiving soon since I'm Canadian.

[@jenniferhunt9971]

That pronunciation of Chickahominy basically maid my brain explode. Disney had that pronunciation right.

[@alicewilloughby4318]

10:53 - It was more than just being angry that Pocahontas was kissing Smith, it was that he thought Smith was attacking Pocahontas. 12:14 - I've heard the theory that the whole business of them appearing to be about to kill Smith and then Pocahontas rushing in to save him was actually a ritual to adopt Smith into the tribe.

[@raumaanking]

Add least Pocahontas has a happy ending in the film a bit I guess compared to reality R.I.P Pocahontas

[@davillain9974]

Now I'm curious if Disney will eventually do a Remake of Pocahontas? If a Remake is in the works, I'll be surprised if they'll even changed the original story as much accuracy as they can. Is Disney really doing a Pocahontas live Remake?

[@pedrogabrielduarte4544]

Do the messed up Origins of el dorado

[@racookster]

I've never seen Pocahontas for the same reason I've never seen Don Bluth's Anastasia: I already knew the actual histories of those girls when the films came out, so no matter how beautifully made they were, they just would have left me angry and depressed.

[@thenonexistinghero]

Well, I do recommend watching them. They are beautiful movies with gorgeous animation, good stories and good characters.

[@dtschuor459]

Same

[@dtschuor459]

@@thenonexistinghero I can skip those and just watch the marvelous films from Studio Ghibli…they have all of that AND beautiful messages without whitewashing dark historical realities

[@thescreamingelfwillcry409]

Anastasia is different when that movie was made people genuinely believed she survived only till recently we found out she unfortunately did noy

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@dtschuor459 They didn't whitewash anything. They just took some elements here & there from history and crafted wonderful stories out of them. The goal was to make beautiful animated movies and stories that anyone could watch and enjoy. Not like the modern day where the goal is to brainwash and indoctrinate everyone with woke ideals.

[@grapeshot]

Yeah in real life John Smith almost blew his junk off.

[@RinsFallenAngel08]

Thomas was a real person as well. His name was Thomas Savage. He was the bridge between Smith and the natives.

[@hospitalgal101]

The whole Thomas/Kocoum scene really shows Disney's Pocahontas is literally just Romeo and Juliet and they just "borrowed" characters from history.

[@FloridasYesteryear]

Some historians believe that John Smith stole the whole Indian princess saved me from certain story. Juan Ortiz was a Spanish Conquistador who was a member of Narvaez party when exploring Florida. He was captured by Florida natives and was almost roasted alive twice by one of the Native chieftains but his daughter saved him and helped him escape to neighboring tribe by telling her father that we are not savages like the Christians so you should not kill him. He was a captive for 12 years when Hernando de Soto came to explore Florida and the chieftain of the tribe he escaped too told him more Christians have come and he can go to them. He became a translator for de Soto since he knew three different native languages but he died before leaving what is now the state of Florida and he never made it home back to Spain. The Man from Elvas recorded his Juan Ortiz's story and John Smith is known to have a copy of it.

[@Mgardener7849]

Hello..... John im not sure if you read your comment sectionor not,.but There's a movie called dream keepers / that I think would be right up your alley. It has a lot of myths and legend's in it.

[@isaiahadams1996]

Do a revisit to the messed up origins of either Tarzan or The Jungle Book, I enjoyed those episodes when u first talked about them.

[@jormungandrtheworldserpent8382]

this movie always gives me such conflicting feelings on the one hand it gave native americans an icon to help bridge the cultural gap on the other it completely glossed over the real tragic history and its also baffling that somebody pitched this idea and somehow got it made

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

It’s not baffling at all. At the time the movie was made, Disney was having its renaissance era, and pc culture hardly existed.

[@SonicfanTheNightfury5099]

What's going to happen in another episode The Messed up origns of Godzilla? Cause Idk if any new into Godzilla wouldn't know about the giants origins

[@zt3823]

Dude I'm Ponca from Oklahoma and thank you for not being afraid to post the gritty truth. Our shared history with one another (First Nation, Pilgrams) can seem so dark, I've seen other channels lie and say many tribes gave land away willing because they had so much they didnt know what to do with it {as if we were children, Yet we saved them their first winters and many more times over}; but what happened happened and we have to face it so we don't repeat it on each other. Let's show ALL of our ancestors they didn't die in vain because Love prevailed!! [Native Cry] Aye Thank you for your channel I like revisiting my favorite childhood Disney movies here and all the Greek mythology is Rad

[@miyapapayax]

Can we do the sequel now? I feel that one is perhaps more egregious than this

[@mani-x3s]

i remember seeing that a while back and i just remember her choosing ralph over john

[@mani-x3s]

and they sail off together

[@sjmhadsock4586]

Raisorblade: I guess when it comes to dead mothers Disney was on the money with this one

[@aimlessalix8066]

I remember how much I loved the Pocahontas so much even different verse until I learned the real story and it mad me so sad (I was a child) so the new Mulan movie became my new favorite lol

[@BLack_N8TIVE]

The Ballad of Hua Mulan is even sadder. Mulan was actually trained by her father to fight and when the invaders came to battle in China Mulan’s father agreed with her disguising herself as a man and going to war China eventually won the war and Mulan was offered medals and awards for her bravery and when she returned home a few of her comrades realized after taking off her armor they realize she was a woman a few years past and Mulan’s father ended up passing away and her mother remarrying and Mulan ended up committing suicide.

[@RedRoseSeptember22]

and you think Mulan wasn't a tragic story?

[@BLack_N8TIVE]

@@RedRoseSeptember22 I never said that

[@Peecamarke]

Until you found out the messed up origins behind Mulan…?

[@KiyBlackmoon]

Pocahontas was my favorite Disney movie as a little girl. I USED to say she was my favorite Disney character. Until being old enough to understand and research. Thanks for the Vid

[@lucyst8]

I was a kid when this movie came out and my Mother wouldn't let me watch it on principal... One I only came to understand properly as an adult. The only other film she wouldn't take us to see was Anastasia, for similar reasons.

[@davidfitzpatrick6535]

Yeah I think Disney needed to majorly change the story so they could release it as i think the OG story would in no way be a "PG family movie"

[@jeffreygao3956]

I think the film does plenty well and plenty sloppy. It's fine but not the best and underwhelming but hardly the worst. Also, a vast improvement over the earlier version!

[@stephanieperri5012]

I really liked hearing the comparison between the movie & what actually happened. I love ur videos & not a single 1 of them has disappointed me. As always...lookin 4ward 2 ur next 1. 🐈‍⬛🖤💋

[@priyasall]

Hey Jon! Could you make an episode about the song "Hush little baby?" It would be nice to hear the messed up origins of that song.

[@prettynerd1985]

I think he already did

[@priyasall]

@@prettynerd1985 Really? The only one I found was the one about Rock a-buy baby.

[@prettynerd1985]

@@priyasall oh yeah. Sorry. In that episode he found a version called hush-a-by-baby and I think I confused the two, sorry

[@priyasall]

@@prettynerd1985 No problem, we all make mistakes.

[@sharolynneholtz6207]

Disney is evil. There's adult jokes in every single movie and show

[@antilikka]

I’m about as surprised by Disney taking “leaps” from the original material, as I am when they released the Black Mermaid Trailer and tried to claim you were racist for noticing.

[@forrestdupre87]

Hopefully this is one movie that won’t get a Live action remake

[@shanelocsin9906]

Yes they won't. Even Alan Menken said that this one won't get a live-action remake because it would offend a lot of people. They even have a song that is controversial.

[@m.j.vazquez4720]

can we stop criticizing this movie on historical inaccuracy ,it has problems as a movie sure but there's a talking tree in it for crying out loud i think its pretty obvious its in the category of historical fiction and if the talking tree didnt give it away i think thats on you

[@Chillz_566]

One of the best vids on your channel and KZbin g

[@pedromorris9056]

Mr Solo I am a father and I would hate for my son to say such a thing about me…even if I deserved it😂

[@codyrich3094]

What is Disney had never told you that John Smith was actually a groomer

[@jessicajones1995]

I nearly choked I took a sip of my soda at the exact time he said John smith was ugly 😂

[@matthewmorrisdon5491]

As a Southern, I had always assumed that they made up Radcliff.

[@ActiveAdvocate1]

We've lost touch, but I knew a residential "school" Survivor who absolutely hates this movie. He said something in a tweet once to the effect of, "No, I don't hear he wolf cry to the blue corn moon." So I don't know about other Indigenous people, but I'm going to go with "That's a very authoritative 'nope', coming from a Survivor of the system."

[@chrishelmuth4065]

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for being a white man that respects the truth. Respect from the Native People on Turtle Island Jon Solo. They skipped the part of her being taken on to the ship as well.

[@KD_OIFMedicM6]

No he took down my comment directing him to check out Pocahontas on the National Park Service Website.

[@drknmysterious]

@@KD_OIFMedicM6 I just saw that comment, so I don't think it was removed

[@sarar4270]

i actually gasped seeing John Smith's picture

[@jonathanaucapina153]

Talk about the wheel origin story hellhounds

[@StellaLoreley]

In all fairness, it did say “inspired” and not “based on”. But yeah, that was some big *ignorance* on Disney’s part. The songs are cool, though

[@taekwongurl]

Ugh, yeah, I loved that movie as a kid, until I learned the real history.

[@richardranke3158]

Many the crossword puzzle has used the clue,"Pocahontas' Husband:John -----"and so many people who only know about her saving John Smith get it wrong.:-)

[@FrizFreddy1994]

My two cents...Kocoum and Powhatan did nothing wrong.

[@grugnotice7746]

>Gabriel >Goldberg Ye was right, bros.

[@discord204]

But you still completely left John Rolfe out……the man she actually married lol

[@moondivine2288]

That’s because John is talking about the first pocahontas movie and comparing it to the real events. John Rolfe isn’t shown until the sequel

[@quincy9908]

:30 Actually you're using the word ignorance perfectly. The evidence, history & facts are directly presented to them. In which in return they then promptly *ignore* the events for how it is. Making their actions *ignor*ant in the process.

[@michellecrocker2485]

Yeah John Smith was a tall tale SOB

[@billymcdonald09]

Lmao! I almost spat my drink with the whole pile of bricks and dyslexic school children comment. 😂

[@AphroditeLee]

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@m.j.vazquez4720]

5:11 actually from what i understand modern historians would say john smiths stories while probs a bit aggerated to be sure were more accurate than previously thought he actually did live an exciting life ( also im pretty sure that pic is from later in his life )

[@DrDolan2000]

Changes I would make is that John Smith is actually the villain instead of Ratcliffe. Maybe the love interest could've been Thomas - just got to change his personality a little And instead of an arranged marriage, Chief Powhatan allows Pocahantas to reject Kocoum to find her true love In this change of events, John Smith sees Thomas and Pocahantas smooching and it enrages him, so he plans on shooting both. Then, Kocoum shows up and tries to stop him, only to be shot in the scuffle John Smith is taken to be executed, but Pocahantas still tries to stop it because "if you kill him, you are no better than the white man" or something like that The movie ends with everyone going back to England while Thomas is accepted into their tribe and him and Pocahantas are engaged Just an idea

[@kimichan5]

Funny enough, from what I’ve read, the sequel is more accurate to her life. That being said, I still enjoy the first movie more. It’s just so beautiful and romantic!

[@SonicfanTheNightfury5099]

Let's just say, History is Effed up when you look into it more

[@willlyon7129]

To sum up, are childhood is a lie.

[@tomnaughadie]

Colonialism is very messed up.

[@Mr.-V.C-]

damnnn.. this is not "messed up" origins.. this is "Fu*ked Up" origins.. waaayyyyy too much .. perhaps audience can't handle the truth back then..🤣