(The video the lawyers made us remove!) Why we would NEVER install a Ghost Controls gate operator.

[@wallacemadewell3917]

I think your channel is one of the best on KZbin. I have about 200 channels I get updates on regularly and they cover virtually every topic you could think of. What makes your content stand out is the time and money you spend to show experimenting, (setting the posts in mixed concrete, dry mix and foam), a detailed installation of an alternative way to install vinyl fencing, consumer information on products, etc. And the thing I like best is you do all this very hard work with a sense of humor and are able to laugh at yourselves when things don’t go as you plan. Keep up the great videos you are doing and I believe you will see your channel grow rapidly.

[@j.c.kocher5563]

Agreed. youtube star. If he didn't tell you how good he was at stuff how would you know?

[@kiddt1999]

Absolutely love my dual Ghost Controls gate openers. I am swinging x2 8’ by 8’ metal gates with wood on the exterior, mounted to 4” steel posts. The install was super easy and solar issues won’t be a problem. I opened and closed the gates 15 times before installing the solar panel. I am only using 1 of the recommended 2 batteries too! I don’t see any issues with this system.

[@michaelboykin9881]

My ghost control system has been flawless, since I installed it a year ago. Great customer service. A real person actually answers the phone. I called them with a question when I was installing it, and they solved it immediately. 10/10.

[@SWiFence]

👍🏻

[@EvanTullos]

I have a Ghost Controls operator on my 16 Ft gate using only solar power with (2) 12-volt batteries and absolutely love it. Installed it by myself and it was extremely easy and straight forward. It is at my weekend house, so it only is activated approx 15-20 times per week. It has worked flawlessly since day 1. If you live in the county or have a big piece of land with just a metal tube gate like I have, it is a clear winning choice. I have approx $1,050 invested in mine and that wouldn't even pay for the labor for an installer. Ghost Controls may not be for everyone, but for those who don't need fancy looking gates, they are the best / dependable option.

[@ck3561]

I purchased their 2 gate motor setup and vehicle sensor, zombie lock, deep cycle optima yellow top battery. No solar direct wire. I don’t have any issues with the unit. I’ve set it up on our property about 3 years ago. We have multiple horse trailers going through everyday including atv’s with no issues. I really think the consumer needs to understand this is a homeowner solution “Do it yourself” I get you have concerns about the unit but you are comparing apples to oranges. A lot of farmers in my area don’t like the idea of hiring someone to install some commercial, pro gate. This is a great alternative. If you are a smart individual and do it yourself. This is a great product, if you don’t know what to do then hire a commercial gate pro and have them set you up.

[@SWiFence]

It’s a liability and we don’t need more liabilities.

[@supanami2241]

@@SWiFence No, it's not! Signs fix all liabilities ... try harder!

[@educatehour]

I have had mine for over a year and agree. Title alone sounds like scare tactics. "Pay above retail and such for our specialty expertise.." Going to watch for a chuckle.

[@plainandsimple1]

@@supanami2241 no, no they do not.

[@supanami2241]

@@plainandsimple1 Yes, yes they do.

[@SteveSRT]

The car thing was freaking hilarious. Great Job gentlemen. Learned some more good info. I had actually looked at one of these in the past for my small property but I didn’t want the headache of an opener taking a crap so I never even put a get up at either driveway. Glad to see my concerns were valid and I didn’t waste time or money on this product.

[@MrPhoenixhandyman]

I installed a Ghost Control dual gate opener over three years ago. It is one of the best investments I have made in my property; it works flawlessly.

[@michaelblaise9115]

I purchased and installed a Ghost Control unit. No problems whatsoever. It was relatively easy to install by myself on a 12’ gate. I also installed a timer and the vehicle sensor. Everything works as it should. I seriously don’t know why anyone would have much trouble installing this unit.

[@SWiFence]

Genuinely wish you the best. 👍🏻 It's not our desire to see anyone's operator fail--and many times they don't--we've just seen too many problems to feel neutral about operator quality. 👍🏻

[@decepticon333]

Same here I also have ghost Controls on AC transformer and works pretty damn good with the photo eye. Haven’t had no issues. Maybe I am one of the lucky ones that’s had no issues. Anyway your videos is good though. ❤

[@freda1078]

I have had a two-gate system from Ghost for over five years. We are on solar and add a 20w panel to the 10w panel for a total of 30w. This has kelp the batteries charged with no problems. We have an extra set of batteries that we keep on a trickle charger for changing out in the winter if we go sunless for several days. This was installed by us, and we did not have a problem on installation, other than cockpit trouble that Ghost fixed quickly. If a problem occurs, the support group at Ghost is great, just drop them an email with your problem and they respond the next business day with a solution for you to try.

[@bradjenkins932]

I have a Ghost gate operator for 3yrs now, and no problems with it.

[@corski67]

I've had a "consumer grade" driveway gate opener for about 20 years now. Admittedly, they don't last forever and I'm just now installing my third one. I've never once had it close on any vehicle or a person. Obviously this can be an issue but as you noted in the video, they do not exert enough torque to hurt anyone to start with and have stall protection built in. In my opinion the worst that could happen is that a vehicle could get snagged driving through and really tear things up. Again, it's never happened - not even close. I got a bid for a mid-grade commercial opener. The bid was over $6000 installed. I can buy TEN of for that price and I'll be long dead by the time I go through 10 of these things. The cost is SO outrageously out of bounds for the average consumer, it just doesn't make sense. You're a pro and you provide a professional level installation - no disrespect intended. The reality is, the consumer grade opener has opened up automation for the average joe who can navigate their installation and deal with the occasional nuisance issue. That's not your market and I can totally understand why you don't mess around with these products.

[@kennyBFD30]

I undestand your points, but I love my Ghost Controller. I leave my gate open most of the time and only operate it when it's in my site. And, by the way, my system was professionally installed by a company who has been in business for over 30 years, so I guess the liability is on them.

[@SWiFence]

Yep, it is on them. 👍🏻 Some people have great experiences--and a gate that's left mostly open all the time is a better scenario for being happy with whatever system you have because it has a lot less chance to fail. Your climate has a lot to do with it too. But you're already ahead of the game for having someone experienced put it in--it's the homeowners who don't know what they don't know that are opening themselves up for problems in our opinion.

[@Readitandweepbb]

I am pretty sure these openers are for people that want to diy and not pay a gate company a bunch of money to do it. I installed this product and it is great for what it is... Diy and saving money while deterring people from driving onto my property. Had mine for over a year all parts still working as advertised.

[@SWiFence]

You are correct. Just be careful because they will shut on your vehicle.

[@educatehour]

Same here.. over 1 year in and just going to watch to see the scare tactics.. I was looking up something else when I found this on accident.

[@reggieranch6925]

I forgot your name, Mr. SWI just wanted to tell you I probably have your favorite ones on my two gates. :-) TSC is where I bought them take a guess. :-) three actually kind of mighty lol. I bet you I know every single part, and wire on those things that come apart, too often when it rains. They do the job though I’ve got the side slide gates now but at least everything to install them. Just got to go pick up some angle iron. And you never know man I might just take a ride to Wyoming maybe we can find something to crash. I think you and I would work great together lol. Yeah, make me almost want to go back to work. Jason

[@kiddt1999]

@@SWiFencetoggle the switch to not auto close. Problem solved.

[@craigwilliams7635]

Exactly. I needed something I could afford and install with a friend. This works.

[@roobeg8340]

In the first place i am not sure why you have a problem with the company except for what i see is getting revenge. the way that you are conducting yourself when you are Trying to demonstrate the product is very obvious. So just get over it and go on with your life without trying to diminish a company's existence. I have owned the Ghost Control now for the past 6 months and have very little problems with install or unit. And if i did have any they were ready and going beyond the call of support to help. the last time that i saw this kind of support was when Hewlett Packard getting into the computer side and have a banner support system. So if you are in the business of Gate Openers then build your business better than theirs and Good luck with it.

[@SWiFence]

I may be a little aggressive in my demeanor 😉, but I mean well. I think it is important to point out the differences to folks between a gate opener that has to be UL 325 safety compliant before it even works, and one that *can* be UL 325 compliant but functions fine without those components. Let's face it, we're contractors, so we think like contractors. We overbuild because we don't want to come back and do repairs. We're focused on maximizing our time so we don't want to come back and do repairs. We warranty all of our work, so if we don't overbuild and aim for a certain standard then we will be losing money and time on repairs. And if we install (or even service) systems that aren't UL 325 compliant, we're the ones that become liable for any damages. If you want to install a non-compliant system, more power to you, but I'll be danged if I come out and upgrade the battery or oil the hinges and then become liable for the next time it closes on someone's vehicle. I've seen a thing or two, and that can make me come across a little strong. 😁 But, I am glad for folks that are having good experiences with their budget operators, and I'm very glad to hear they have excellent customer service. Good customer service is missing from so much of industry these days. I'm blown away by the dedication to customer service from US Automatic (one of our preferred gate openers). They're so dedicated to it they started installing USB charging ports in their housings so if you need to call customer service but your phone is dying you can keep it charged right there while you've got the box open!

[@coreyharrelson3320]

I bet I watched the part with that old chevy a dozen times and laughed hysterically every time one because the commentary was funny and well placed and two because this is exactly what happens when home owners install their own gate operators.

[@cryptosully2357]

What is the gate operator you recommend for a 14’ gate. Left hand swing opening.

[@crdirt1]

Installed my gate opener today 0 issues. All other attachments I put on a separate post Works perfect easy to install.

[@jasonfallau3044]

The entire 42nd minute of this video is some of the best comedy I’ve ever seen.

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

do you have a video that shows and explains the backup batteries and solar panel you use? I don't know that I would install one, but it is something of interest to me. I'm a licensed electrician, and I grew up framing houses with my dad and doing odd jobs with him as well. He was one of those jack of all trades type of guys; I guess it rubbed off onto me lol when I was about 14, I remember doing a couple wood privacy fences in Norman, Oklahoma in a neighborhood he was framing most of the houses in, and we lived in, a hard working guy!

[@WarBeardTheRed]

I guess I'm the odd one out, I love my Ghost controls system.

[@SWiFence]

Until it closes on your vehicle. If its working for you great but we want to educate consumers about what isn’t being disclosed.

[@WarBeardTheRed]

@@SWiFence If I can't get through the gate in 30 seconds then I asked for it lol. Everyone else wanted a minimum of $2000 to install an opener on my pre-existing 12ft chain link gate. Disabled on a fixed income, just wasn't in the cards. My wife and I installed it in one day and have been very happy. Just wish I had a cool way to hide the battery box.

[@ridemfast7625]

@@WarBeardTheRed I hid mine under a fake rock from Amazon. The rock actually looks good, almost real, and blends in nicely. Also, Im using a U1 size battery with 20 watt solar panel.

[@ck3561]

@@SWiFence you are not educating, you are just scaring folks from a do it yourself homeowner option.

[@biggbulls3967]

@@WarBeardTheRed I dug a hole and put a water meter box in the ground. Marine Battery fits quite nicely and then put decorative rocks around it. I have the MM version of a gate opener.

[@dennisferl4925]

My sides still hurt from that wicked front wheel drive jump at the end ! Appreciate the education and professional knowledge you have a good dang day!

[@SWiFence]

Thanks for watching! Comments like this keep me going!

[@chargermopar]

I have a homemade pneumatic gate opener. It is over 30 years old and has never broken down. Works off the shop compressor, the gate is welded iron and the post is 18 inch concrete reused traffic signal pole. The actuator is hidden in a planter, stainless steel pipe and rod. laser detectors in and out. This setup is extremely poweful and has a latch that engages when the gate is closed. If I ever call a gate installer I think he would run away as fast as he could. A couple of years ago I put in an IR sensor and even a duck walking by stops the gate. The timer is mechanical

[@SWiFence]

It may work, but for us its a liability .

[@cweeks5211]

Oddly, I was just about to look for "gate openers other than Ghost Controls" not just for the totally messy look with all those wires but because of conduit as well. I'm not a pro but I lay conduit and put everything inside conduit. Sure, Liftmaster may be more but from what I can tell the extra $$$ are worth it. Thank you so much for posting this!!!!

[@SWiFence]

No problem--thanks for the comment!

[@pugnaciouspredators2086]

Been a fencing contractor business owner for 3 years and I've been fencing for 6 years total. Your channel has some very insightful informations that is perfectly executed. Ive even learned a few new ideas from your channel. Keep up the good work.

[@SWiFence]

Thanks so much!

[@timbogart3337]

Just installed the same setup. Works perfectly. What made-up word did you use around 28 mins?

[@chad17420]

Thanks for video. I will be adding safety sensors to my Ghost Controls gate system. Your salesman of the month for Spooky Controls .

[@barryvaught4616]

We have the Ghost Control Pro LDM2 Dual openers installed and would like to know what you recommend to increase safety; the ground loop or the eyes? For lightning protection we are thinking about grounding the steel gate posts but not the control panel.Thank you for your help!

[@SWiFence]

Hate to say it but the only thing we'll do with those systems is rip them out and start with something else--really don't have any advice for you. 😐

[@andrewlamond6275]

As a fencing contractor who has just installed one of these on my property before I knew how much of an absolute piece of shit this system is this video brings me great joy.

[@rickb5575]

Y’all helped me even though I’m across the country from y’all. I appreciate it. Sent email asking a question and got the answer next day. Thanks

[@SWiFence]

Our pleasure!

[@stanmonroe6022]

Hey boys, I am so glad that y'all are installing high dollar openers which are good for blind people and idiots to safely use. We need folks like you to save people from themselves. My cheap, self installed gate openers have worked for years with ZERO problems. Twice a gate has tried to close on a vehicle. BOTH of these drivers had enough sense to STOP their vehicle and allow the gate opener to do it's job and STOP. You boys need to find something else to whine about. Let consumers use their own discretion and good sense.

[@SWiFence]

Oh here we go again. 🙂 I'm going to take a wild guess that we've seen and installed more gate operators than you have. How many have you installed? More than the 3 you have on your property? Have you ever installed them professionally for other people? Have you ever installed them in areas that have limited sun or lots of ice, snow, and subzero temperatures? Have you ever had to go back out and service them because you offer an excellent warranty and you're committed to customer service? Once you start eating the cost of repairs for your customers you learn real quick what you're willing to install for people and what you're not. The big box store openers CAN work. They MIGHT work for your whole life. They are thousands of dollars cheaper (initially). And if someone knows what they're getting into and is making an educated decision and needs to go cheaper because that's the right choice for them at the time, THEN GO FOR IT. But don't stand next to a double-wide trailer and insist it's the same as a construction-built home. It's not. It might be the BEST choice, depending on life, but it's not the SAME choice. It won't be the same in a tornado; it won't be the same in the winter; it won't be the same in 30 years; it won't ever be the same.

[@reggieranch6925]

My first time on your channel; great stuff, I assume that your kid that was with you and I think it’s fantastic. That’s the best way to raise a kid in my opinion. Keep up the good work man. Are used to be in the same business so I see exactly why you’re doing what you do , good on ya Jason

[@SWiFence]

Thank you! Appreciate those kind words!

[@gatekeeperoffroad]

The little white bushing goes under the operator so the housing doesnt rub on the bracket.

[@grcerosa]

And my I say educational to no end …superb job👍🏻👏👏👏👏👏

[@charlesownby1982]

I appreciate this video and don't know that I'll get a Ghost based on this info but the link you provided for gate operator packages shows $2500 for the solar which is what I need. I'm just a regular guy on 8 acres. $2500 for a gate opener is nuts. Not knocking the quality but who can afford that? I get it if you're a business that has the funds but for an average homeowner that's very high. I'd like to know if there are any you recommend in the same price range as Ghost.

[@SWiFence]

I'm afraid this is a "get what you pay for" scenario. We totally get that folks have to do what their resources will allow--that makes sense. We just see more of the hidden costs of the "affordable" systems down the road. Some of those "costs" are in lack of servicing options. When we're called out to service a gate that's not up to code we won't touch it unless the homeowner wants to pay to bring everything up to spec--because if we do work on it and don't bring it up to code we're liable for anything that may go wrong in the future, and that's an expense gamble we just can't take. Either way you go, no judgement from us, we're just trying to share what we see and help folks understand why there is such a price difference. There are some folks who are very happy with those systems and we're happy for them!

[@j.c.kocher5563]

When you see a contractor roll up in $100,000 rig you have to wonder how he paid for it.

[@jpayne5552]

I could buy three of those control arms by the time I paid for his unit. Plus $2700 and it’s rated for a 13” ft gate…

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

you're right, it's not far fetched! people see a gate closing and they panic and then it escalates from there! very true; too bad you have to exaggerate something to drive home a point, but it isn't too far out there. There might be a lot of people that think it's silly, but, at 56, I've seen some crazy actions of people, and people do over react and people do panic! It's something that people definitely need to think about when they are buying a gate operator! and I agree with the wireless key pad! Even if you find a company that makes them with some good materials, there are bad ones in every batch, no matter how good the quality control is!

[@MrBlawver7]

I was literally going to buy a Ghost Control. This video saved me. Thank you so much! I just finished installing my US Automatic Patriot and love it! You did great work with that company. Much appreciated! I have also enjoyed watching your other gate install videos.

[@SWiFence]

Awesome! US Automatic is the bomb!

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

I actually watched the other video you are talking about: "The Best Solar Powered Gate Operator", great video!

[@landmarkcreations1183]

Seen a lot of your videos. You guys are the real deal, old school fencers. You will always have our support🤘

[@SWiFence]

Thanks!

[@TheOGfrenchy]

Lol CLASSIC ENDING!!!!!! 42. Min mark….. totally worth watching ! love the video also great to hear YOUR opinion on this operator.

[@SWiFence]

Awesome, thank you!

[@johnwehner8096]

Did it come with the gate?

[@mitchmarkota8814]

The only unit I have used is the GTO Pro. I bought the heavy duty unit and its been reliable for 1.5 years after I ungraded the control board. What is most reliable 12volt 7AH battery brand?

[@SWiFence]

The batteries I've used have been pretty much all the same so far.

[@juanbatch8494]

Just had that car crunch happen to a customer. Can I install a loop system on a ghost gate?

[@neilkratzer3182]

Glad your brave to use them. Years ago I called them info when they started. Couldn't even answer simple questions back then. Everything in your opinion is absolutely correct from someone whose been down the road with customers. Consumers have to understand our liability in these cases. Like when people tell the truth to the consumers. ? for you what do you install for your residential customers. Used the hinges you said. Have you ever tried Modern Fence Technology (MFT) for specialty hinges and vinyl products.

[@Altt]

I would be fascinated to know what the laws actually are where I live in regards to accidental damage. i.e. Would I still be liable if I had proper signage? If someone is stupid enough to park in the gate's path and get hit, despite my sign, am I still liable? I've had one operating for nearly a year now, and despite three signs, have had multiple close calls. Signage: Automatic Gate, Do not Stop in Gate's Path, Stop Here for Gate In regards to the gate doing damage, at least to a living thing, I have to disagree. I keep mine on the lowest force setting just in case, (which is a problem sometimes when it's really windy) and I put myself in its way to test it out. Depending where I'm standing, there is still a good amount of force, and if I try my foot underneath the gate where there's little clearance, especially close to the hinges, it would easily hurt someone, especially a child. That being said, the other day I accidently distracted my sister while passing through the gate and we both forgot because apparently we're idiots, and it closed on the back corner. However, since she didn't move until it reversed there wasn't a scratch. But if it were on a strong setting, I'm pretty confident it could do damage, especially if they moved.

[@jerryhageman3563]

so...now i understand why each and every time I've called support at ghost control, I am put on hold and subjected to, for as long as id like to listen, a recording about how wonderful this product is, and how helpful their customer service is. Never have I spoken to a person after calling for help at Ghost controls

[@SWiFence]

😕

[@TimHoHere]

I have called three times ... a bit of a hold and recording yes BUT real folk answer without an accent or call center noises AND they quickly provided a fix

[@alangivens7983]

Dude this was a very quality video and and fantastic content.

[@SWiFence]

Hey thanks!

[@newenglandman2413]

You handled that as a true gentleman.

[@alangivens7983]

New to your content but I am loving the content.

[@SWiFence]

Thank you!

[@doneto38]

Great video!! And funny finale! Ok now, Ghost gate dual gate operator was what I was planning in purchasing.. what’s your next DIY gate opener do you suggest, I just cant afford a 7k gate opener for now, please advise Thank you,

[@SWiFence]

We love the US Automatic Ranger series. If you've been looking at budget opener prices these'll seem a little high--but they're well under 7k. www.swifence.com/gate-operators/operators/?max=3500

[@RogerSayers]

Thanks for video... great info. I'm about to install a single swing gate opener. I'm reading the instruction manual. My gate opener isn't as fancy as what you are showing here. it was in my budget, so I bought it. Not sure if it's ok for me to mention what I bought so I'll hold off on that for now. Should I run into a problem, can I tell you about it? again thanks for sharing the video, it's great.

[@SWiFence]

Thanks for the comment! With the volume of comments that come in and all the other things taking up our day it's pretty difficult to diagnose or give build feedback remotely, but we hope it goes well! You got this!

[@HitRMissHobbyFarm]

Hi. We have a 20’ livestock gate. Under 200lbs. What do you recommend? USAutomatic only goes up to 16’. We also need solar. Thanks.

[@SWiFence]

Their patriot gate operator will easily handle that. With a standard livestock gate all of their operators will do it. The question is will the gate hold up to the abuse since most are light tubing?

[@OutWithTheWildThings]

@@SWiFence would love to know what operator you would suggest for a 16’ heavy duty farm gate. Keeping in mind I would like to do it on a budget (like everyone), but willing to pay more to avoid a spooky control operator…

[@marktaylor6925]

Recently purchased a dual ghost control operator and it has been a frustrating endeavor to say the least. From installation to operation.

[@a.j.8926]

That is certainly a lot to think about. I did know that the opener was $600 (ish) and all the 'other stuff' was another $500 (ish) . I also did think about the safety of the gate closing on an animal or a car. I did not know the safety eye sensors only worked on AC applications.

[@SWiFence]

Did you know about loops?

[@TimHoHere]

my comment above ... no .. I did not know about how 'eyes' are mounted nor the logic of safety loops - information home owners deserve when they determine how deep they will reach into pocketbooks. Thanks @@SWiFence

[@cfrayre6572]

Any recommendations? My last unit was a apollo and heard they got purchased by another company. I was leaning towards ghost. Any recommendations

[@SWiFence]

We're fans of US Automatic. bit.ly/USAutomaticGateOperators Their website for more info: www.usautomatic.com/

[@geoffburnham3967]

Interesting to see the other side of the story. A bit over the top but does give you things to think about.

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

one last comment; there is a difference between an opinion and wisdom. When you do something for a living, like you do, comments on a product can be statements of wisdom. That isn't always the case, but I would say that you feedback on this product is more on the side of wisdom than just opinion. An opinion can be right or wrong! Wisdom is just simple sharing knowledge and experience on something; you're sharing knowledge and experience as a professional; I'll leave it at that. I get so reluctant to buy things on line; because you don't always know what you're getting unless you have already bought it in the past!

[@blh3741]

Wow, you ruffled some feathers here... As a retired contractor, I see your point(s) and I've had to deal with DIY/homeowners who want the cheapest item and expect it to operate and/or last like something thats 2x the price and in most cases, expect you to warranty the lesser item that they purchased. Or the Home Owner shops installers with you providing a $2k commercial closer and the next guy spec's a $1k Mule/Ghost closer and tells the customer that they are the same quality as the commercial brand... and you don't get the job. Sometimes trying to educate people is futile, they only hear the sound of money being sucked from their wallet. I don't think you've hear the last from the lawyers or satisfied customers.

[@howiegrapek]

all of the other obstruction tools you discuss (loops, eyes, etc), is it even possible to add those to these system?

[@SWiFence]

Yes, I think you can.

[@user-in3mg1sg1w]

What do you say to those who have been using one of these for years and are satisfied?

[@SWiFence]

I would say congratulations! Depending on where you live in the country, what the elements are like, and what kind of daily use your gate is going to get, you might do just fine with a budget system! We could install these systems all day long if we wanted to, but unfortunately that's a money-losing proposition for us because of our warranty policies. We hate spending time/money going back to fix things. That's what cements us in our choices. For customers that have to work with budget systems there is no shame in that. It's a bit like putting a tool shed in your back yard and deciding between a structure with a foundation, or a plastic shed. If you think the price of the plastic shed is normal, then of course the price of the structure with a foundation is going to seem high. But not everyone wants a plastic shed. Some people will swear by them, other people will look down on them. There's no right or wrong here, but there is quality, longevity, and safety systems, and those are just realities.

[@bruceshafer6911]

so what system do you recommend

[@SWiFence]

We like US Automatic. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZXOmZ6KZdN0n5I kzbin.info/www/bejne/eF7bnolnds2bhdE

[@mudpuppies3815]

I love this video there needs to be a lot more transparency in products these days I’m sure glad to have watched this. I myself am currently installing 300’ of chain link fence and found your comparison of wet set verses dry set very enlightening thank you very much. I keep on watching your video on bias cuts and found that I will have to do many of these.

[@SWiFence]

Glad it was helpful!

[@philipwilkins3812]

Most of the mouse products are not solar. They recommend the supplied transformer. Solar was about 20% of the sales. I’m not familiar with spookys equipment but the other brand recommended using a solar friendly photo-eye and they liked cartell exit probe because of the minimal current draw. Liftmaster also makes a decent product with the LA500. Photo-beam included. That said you should always install a second set. A product I’ve been using instead of a loop is Optex sensor. They mount beside the driveway so saw cutting isn’t required. These have been reliable. The UL325 is only half the safety requirements. ASTM F2200 is the safety standard you should also reference. Above all your absolutely correct that these store brand products only have price in their favor. The quality of the product isn’t what a professional model that’s installed by a professional company. This type of product isn’t really a DIY product. The average handyman isn’t going to know how to automate a gate properly. It’s nothing against the ability of a handyman. This is a profession that requires several trades to properly install. From footings and concrete work to 120vac. Even low voltage requires someone that’s licensed. So in the end what I typically see is people are sorry they didn’t have this done properly. The amount of times their wife has been stuck outside the non working gate and usually it’s raining is the main reason I get calls for replacing these cheaper openers.

[@SWiFence]

Well said.

[@helloharry1418]

You my freind have mastered 😎sarcasm And i enjoyed thoroughly your response to spooky p.o.s gate operator Lol keep it up 100%

[@grcerosa]

Fabulous job guys putting yourself on the line to really get the message out of the difference between a consumer opener versus a pro opener.

[@garyshackelford3758]

End of video was classic, thank you needed that laugh!..

[@SWiFence]

Ah! Someone else with humor like mine! 🤣

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

I saw the badass hinges you're talking about. real nice sealed bearings and nice smooth action on the gate. In the same video "Quality Gate Operator Installation" You can tell they're heavy duty hinges. Looks like a great option!

[@robertbenoit5374]

You mentioned about the loops and most homeowners don't install them. I installed a gate operator and no I didn't install any loops. You know why I didn't install any loops? Well, unlike in this video, my driveway is SOLID CONCRETE. I can't install loops in my driveway unless I want to dig up the driveway. I'm not rich and can't afford to dig up my driveway so no way am I tearing up concrete to install loops. As for the eyes, it's solar power system. Can't use eyes on solar power systems

[@genereina7034]

I'm a fence contractor in Texas. You have to remember that the Ghost Control opener is a DIY unit, low cost for low budgets. These units are mostly used only on minimum bases. A simply enter and exit. Even the higher end unit , which cost 2 to 3 times more, can be just as big as headache as the DIY units, not to mention their components cost more replace than the DIY unit. If it were a million dollar place I can justify a better higher end unit. But, for the weekender the DIY unit are perfect. If installed correctly. Just my thoughts.

[@SWiFence]

Those are fair points. Everybody has their priorities they have to balance, and as long as they're making informed decisions we totally get that. 👍🏻👍🏻 It's the uninformed and the homeowners who don't know what they don't know that end up with problems. Some of those same homeowners also don't understand why we won't install budget systems like this. It comes down to the fact that we warranty all of our work, and we haven't got time to mess with the repairs and liabilities of this class of operator.

[@MahALOHAwaii92]

What gate opener do y’all recommend?

[@SWiFence]

We love US Automatic! 👍🏻 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZXOmZ6KZdN0n5I

[@anonymousdrft]

Thank you for all the great fence and gate videos. Just watched a few hours worth. Planning on fencing 2.5 acres myself in the near future.

[@SWiFence]

Love to hear this!

[@sfcplatt]

except from being from Wyoming, great channel learned a lot

[@sammymiller5967]

I watch and listen to your entire video and you would be the last person I want to do anything for me

[@SWiFence]

Well then I guess we won't. 🙂

[@trackmader]

Yup had to pull a trailer thru my mm gate opener but had to reset so i didnt take out other post. Closed on the flatbed. Ive had to jump out and shut it off many many times cause I got i to trouble and gate started to shut on my pickup. I know of a Tiltaway gate on a 15 second timer with no entrapment sensors hooked up. The crush edge might be hooked up...that one is sketch.

[@trackmader]

It'll get a cattle guard or liftmaster when replaced

[@SWiFence]

Check out usautomatic for a quality solar setup!

[@trackmader]

@@SWiFence The opener my wife gave me...10 years ago may work for a while.

[@ridemfast7625]

In the middle of my driveway gate installation with a Ghost Controls opener. A little bit of buyers remorse is setting in. Did not know the vehicle sensor only works to open the gate. In fairness to Ghost, I bought a Cartell CP-4 and did not read about the Ghost sensor. My fault. The pic examples on their web site are not confidence inspiring. Photo Eye Sensors would be much better and it sucks that they can not be used on solar installs like mine. Using Nema rated box and conduit is the way to go. Also, the controllers battery charger is the most basic. For a solar installation, get a 3-4 stage PWM or MPPT and your batteries will last a lot longer! Glad I watched the entire vid. Road Kill Garage driving at the end was the best!

[@SWiFence]

Finally someone that gets it. Thanks for watching!

[@MRES3]

What's a pwn or mppt

[@sammymiller5967]

I've got three ghost controlled gates on my property, and they all work perfect an affordable , and the only reason you're putting ghost control down is because they're just as good as yours or better. Without spending thousands and thousands of dollars like you would charge ! So you should worry about selling your product and not putting other products down ghost control is number one in my opinion and will always be!!!!!!!

[@SWiFence]

Oh here we go again. 🙂 I'm going to take a wild guess that we've seen and installed more gate operators than you have. How many have you installed? More than the 3 you have on your property? Have you ever installed them professionally for other people? Have you ever installed them in areas that have limited sun or lots of ice, snow, and subzero temperatures? Have you ever had to go back out and service them because you offer an excellent warranty and you're committed to customer service? Once you start eating the cost of repairs for your customers you learn real quick what you're willing to install for people and what you're not. The big box store openers CAN work. They MIGHT work for your whole life. They are thousands of dollars cheaper (initially). And if someone knows what they're getting into and is making an educated decision and needs to go cheaper because that's the right choice for them at the time, THEN GO FOR IT. But don't stand next to a double-wide trailer and insist it's the same as a construction-built home. It's not. It might be the BEST choice, depending on life, but it's not the SAME choice. It won't be the same in a tornado; it won't be the same in the winter; it won't be the same in 30 years; it won't ever be the same.

[@rogerbettencourt9654]

Mark! I freaking love your content brother. Keep it up!!!

[@SWiFence]

Thanks!

[@jaybjornbjornintheusa3039]

Somebody hit my gate in the closed position is it still ghost controls fault?

[@SWiFence]

Depends on your attorney. 😂

[@jaybjornbjornintheusa3039]

@@SWiFence thanks! Lol

[@fieldtrailer]

You don't have to work on a ghost controls gate motor. They have a lifetime warranty.

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

I know exactly how you feel, my man. Amazon won't even allow me to post a review anymore, and they said that they took down every review associated with my email. The only bad review I really gave was for a glue gun I bought with a dent repair kit. I put hot glue on one pull tab and it was melted down inside and wouldn't work by the time I started to put hot glue on the next pull tab. In the review I called it garbage and that the pull tabs only worked for a few pulls before they broke, and products that I gave any kind of detail feedback on their functionality, they blocked. I stated how I used the product and how it worked for me, and they don't like those kind of reviews I guess. There are a lot of 3rd rate companies, if you can call them a legitimate company, that don't like to hear anyone's opinion on their product. My first impression of the gate opener you are reviewing here, I would describe it as "Mickey Mouse" product. Another words, great for kids to play with lol Anyway, I know how you feel. I enjoy your videos; just straight forward about what you think

[@belindamanning9851]

Subscribed today. This was really good information. I will be purchasing a gate operator this year when I decide what type in should get. Sliding or swing type.

[@fixitallpaul4847]

Im curious how resistant to UV breakdown all that exposed wiring is over time.

[@SWiFence]

we have fences standing tall and proud after 20 years so...

[@coyote_denali]

This is so great!!

[@andelepinho2419]

I never post comments on any videos but I feel I have to comment on this one since it’s so silly. I was quoted $15k to get my home gate automated. I bought the ghost system for about $1200 and installed it myself in a few hours. Was I expecting it was going to be as good as the $15k system? Of course not, but it works very well and it cost me less than 10% of the other option. If your system was within Ghost’s price range I would understand this video, but you even mention just your operators range from $7k-100k. Ghost systems are a budget option, and they are very good at that. I’ve had mine for about 3 years with no issues. Their customer service is also very responsive. You are completely missing the point.

[@SWiFence]

It's like paying for a Big Mac and getting a Big Mac. I know it's one of those things that look simple and cheap from the outside, but by the time we pay for quality parts, and take the time to install it correctly, it starts to add up. Depending on where you live in the country, what the elements are like, and what kind of daily use your gate is going to get, you might do just fine with a budget system! We could install these systems all day long if we wanted to, but unfortunately that's a money-losing proposition for us because of our warranty policies. We hate spending time/money going back to fix things. That's what cements us in our choices. For customers that have to work with budget systems there is no shame in that. It's a bit like putting a tool shed in your back yard and deciding between a structure with a foundation, or a plastic Walmart shed. If you think the price of the plastic shed is normal, then of course the price of the structure with a foundation is going to seem high. But not everyone wants a plastic shed. Some people will swear by them, other people will look down on them. There's no right or wrong here, but there is quality, longevity, and safety systems, and those are just harsh realities.

[@BlueOriginAire]

When the lawyers meet to take this video down and ask you to put the original up instead. 😂🥳✌🏽

[@SWiFence]

😆

[@CarsonHassler]

I like the channel. thanks for the help.

[@SWiFence]

Thanks!

[@kelliehoyt7579]

As a professional (slightly different industry) my self I can see how you would want to sway folks away from Homeowners type products because you want to sell and install the products you can profit off of. But ghost controls is a great company, a decent product for the price point. Literally 1/7th of the cost of your cheapest set up (you said starting at $7000) you get what you pay for. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[@SWiFence]

You absolutely do get what you pay for. 👍🏻 It's not our desire to see anyone's operator fail--and many times they don't--we've just seen too many problems to feel neutral about operator quality.

[@williamruiz3141]

Was wondering how much would it cost for you to install a gate opener?

[@SWiFence]

It really depends on the setup. We have done them as cheap as 5,500 and as expensive as 120k.

[@michaelblaise9115]

@@SWiFence I understand that you guys have a business and need to make money. But, that’s exactly why people use products like Ghost Controls. $5500 to install a simple gate opener is like paying for a dinner at the Ritz and getting served a Big Mac. That’s a whole boatload of money to install an extremely simple product.

[@Studio23Media]

@@SWiFence He said "As cheap as 5,500" 🤣🤣🤣

[@SWiFence]

No not really. It's like paying for a Big Mac and getting a Big Mac. I *know* it's one of those things that look simple and cheap from the outside, but by the time we pay for quality parts, and take the time to install it correctly, it starts to add up. Depending on where you live in the country, what the elements are like, and what kind of daily use your gate is going to get, you might do just fine with a budget system! We could install these systems all day long if we wanted to, but unfortunately that's a money-losing proposition for us because of our warranty policies. We hate spending time/money going back to fix things. That's what cements us in our choices. For customers that have to work with budget systems there is no shame in that.

[@SWiFence]

@Studio23 Media This is kind of like putting a tool shed in your back yard and deciding between a structure with a foundation, or a plastic walmart shed. If you think the price of the tent is normal, then of course the price of the structure with a foundation is going to seem high. But not everyone wants a plastic shed. Some people will swear by them, other people will look down on them. There's no right or wrong here, but there is quality and longevity and those are just harsh realities.

[@my2cents35]

If you have a concrete or asphalt driveway, how can "loops" be used without digging up the pavement? Are there any other methods other than "loops" to prevent damage to vehicles?

[@SWiFence]

No, you need a loop. But you can saw cut it in and patch over it.

[@my2cents35]

@@SWiFence That's not going to happen. If I let someone in, I can let them out. Thx for your reply.

[@Studio23Media]

@@SWiFence Do you have a solution for gate control, from the house 500ft away, with no home internet connection?

[@SWiFence]

Yes, but it does require cell service.

[@gulashonu]

Want to pass along a final thanks to you and Alan (Spelling*?) at the FFF workshop in Worthington. Thanks for contributions and insight sharing within the fencing community. Much appreciated. Rockstars.

[@SWiFence]

Our pleasure!

[@aprilbairrington9638]

Nothing was done wrong but help the company that makes them and the people that buy them good job

[@DM-uv3sd]

That ending...LMAO!!!!

[@SWiFence]

#quality

[@jamessammann9183]

I have a ghost it works fine. Sure it's not us automatic but it's 400$not 2000$..but good video

[@SWiFence]

We hear that. 👍🏻 We've got no issue with folks that intentionally choose a box-store system. We've just seen too much to feel indifferent and get a little passionate when folks think all the operators are the same. Trying to eliminate warranty call-back work really brings into focus what does and doesn't work in different situations.

[@jamessammann9183]

@@SWiFence I agree they are not the same. I would of loved us auto but I just became disabled. And ghost all I could afford ..so far so good ..like you show the difference...most Americans 600$is lots of money that is why they chose ghost

[@schroederfamilyfarm298]

Problem is home owners don't want to spend thousands for a gate opener especially for just a farm gate. If you want all the bells and whistles your going to have to get a contractor to do it because the manufacturers like Lift Master wont sell them to you unless your a dealer. I get that but maybe they could start making one for home owner DIY'ers that are better quality to complete with this junk.

[@upsideways]

Thanks for the videos

[@SWiFence]

Glad you like them!

[@parexc07]

Did Ghost buy out the GTO gate motor company?

[@SWiFence]

I can't recall how that all shook out. GTO went away and now we have spooky controls and the majestic donkey to replace it. All equally terrible setups.

[@mertz313]

I hate GTO with all my life

[@tonycatron7583]

Where are they made I want to know where they're made when I was in Oklahoma I used to open Gates by hand electric fences with solar power they would knock you I mean they would wake you up

[@TimHoHere]

Interesting. Yes, you have opinions (smile). Now ... where is a link to that UL 325 you talk about so much? How about photos of the 'Bad Ass' and other hinges ? and the promised links? How about a bit of info letting this homeowner upgrade from the 10W solar panel ? One HUGE factor here in 'the sticks' of north central Florida is the difficulty of locating any business that knows how to repair Spooky much less the stuff you install. (My neighbor had had to call their 'professional' gate 'installer' with huge very elegant electronic parts boxes out almost monthly for the first year .. then fired them .. the next 'professional' too three attempts to remedy ... point being even the best 'system' sucks if the installer is ignorant.) In the For what it is Worth department, I have had a "spooky" for about five years now. As i recall, the first part of the install says - never put the opener at the top or bottom of the gate (no doubt extra twist/drag but you had no intention on 'testing' long enough for the problem). My use is very basic - I monitor the gate open / close before entry or exit leaving me without most of your (well received) negative observations. I have had to call 'customer service' twice. In each instance they have been polite, efficient, and amazingly helpful. I might add that the Ghost is ten times the product of 'The Mule' which big box stores sell more often .... I can point out four in one block that are left open because the Mule kicked. Thank you for the insight. More links please .. like the Stony Ridge ? install

[@saltyexxer8253]

The cable wadded up in that box at around 11:15 triggered my OCD. It's no wonder they got a takedown notice. They should probably get another one. They're still implying that Ghost doesn't meet code. It doesn't matter what other companies do. Ghost either meets code, or they don't.

[@kenactofkindness4017]

100% enjoyed

[@GJSfTec]

Thanks for the good bad and ugly!! I would not want the liability of my gate damaging anyone's car/property. When not having any vehicle protection sensors I agree with what most people might do, Speed Up. Next time please show the actual damage done to the gate and or car and not gloss over it. But either way awesome ending on what or could happen. Buy once, cry once.

[@cryptosully2357]

I wait till the operation of the gate stops before I drive through.

[@Davey0708]

Here’s my comment from the uk 👍🏼 and my thumbs up 👍🏼

[@SWiFence]

Here's my reply from the USA :)