The VideoGame Ownership Discrepancy

[@atariboy9084]

The video game industry wanted to turn video games into fast food and never care about physical gaming and wanted to sell the next game in there menu. To this day the video game industry never call video games as "ART" as they rather wanted you to see them as disposable gaming.

[@abelg9053]

Gaming has been tainted by the hand of late-stage capitalism as well. Buy-Consume-Repeat No time to fully enjoy and critique a game No space to replay a game later in time No true ownership We need a revolution in the way video games are made or we may risk turning this art form into just another commodity...

[@2-bit567]

@@abelg9053 Fr, corporate capitalism is is draining out passion in favor of profits.

[@zacharygustafson8714]

This is why I, in part, support piracy being a thing. There's so much content stuck on being digital only that its a blunt necessity if we want to preserve even a fraction of it all.

[@LaskyLabs]

That has annoyed me with streaming services. There were some episodes of some shows considered lost, but then they're uploaded to Disney + or something, which is great! But then some day when Disney pulls the plug on it... They're all headed for the great trash can in the sky.

[@SandwitchZebra]

@@LaskyLabs Stuff like The Book of Pooh or Doug’s lost episodes are now found thanks to Disney+. We thankfully live in an era where preservationists are ensuring that we’ll never lose them again. Disney+ being gone will also cut off a lot of accessibility when you think about it. Tons of pre-1970’s movies, all of their direct-to-video movies, made-for-TV movies, tons of shows that no longer air and lots of classic shorts would now be spread across various DVDs and cable channels and movie purchases. Disney+ makes it easy to watch all 9 Star Wars films, or pre-MCU marvel shows, or the Disney Channel sitcom catalogue, or the Disney sequels. What will happen when its gone?

[@CarloNassar]

@@LaskyLabs Or the shows can be preserved for DVD and/or Blu-ray as soon as possible.

[@WackoMcGoose]

As a wise old little blue monster once said, _"You can't """steal""" from a store if the store no longer exists."_ If the game is still available for actual purchase somewhere, sure, go ahead and buy it to support the devs. But if there's no legitimate way to do that anymore because the storefront is gone... yo ho ho.

[@houragents5490]

Pirates do not care about """preservation"""

[@ironsalmon784]

The Nintendo Switch’s “replacement” for virtual console is one of the clearest examples of dead ownership you can find today. Imagine spending money on a base subscription as well as an expansion pass just to play a 20 year old game that still can’t even be accessed without an internet connection.

[@NotGeno]

You can access it without an internet connection

[@vennrune]

​@@NotGenofor a week

[@hgnbfc2]

@@vennrune You can play the games offline. I played Mario Picross and Puyo Puyo on a flight in full airplane mode recently. You only lose access to them if you have no active subscription.

[@goldmemberpb]

Yesterday, I tried to download AC brotherhood to mod back in all of the dlc content because they are now gone from the steam versions. Turns out, you need to associate them with an ubisoft account and one account only. You lose the account, you lose the game. That's just layers of ownership issues there.

[@SoundToxin]

Sometimes console versions of games end up being better because of the crap like this they pull with the PC versions. Some people I know started getting more new games on consoles because the PC versions so often come with Denuvo. The console version can be played offline and the PC version can't (until someone cracks it). It's nuts.

[@realkingofantarctica]

'Alan Wake 2' and 'Like a Dragon: Gaiden' being promoted as digital-only makes me worry for the future of physical gaming, especially since a lot of companies have shown how much they're willing to cut expenses to save money.

[@AlthenasGuard]

I refuse to Buy Alan wake 2 even though i desire to play it

[@kukukachu]

This is why piracy is becoming more and more accepted by everyone. It not only preserves the game, something that these companies don't seem to care about, but it also offers better options than what a company usually offers. It's really sad when the best way to enjoy something is to pirate it. The same went for movies. If you buy the damned movie, you get rewarded with trailers you don't care about as well as warnings telling you not to pirate the thing in which you bought....No I can completely understand why people pirate stuff in that sense. Why should the paying costumer be the one that's punished, when you can skip all that by just pirating the damned thing?

[@vgbcp3rs0na41]

Then let's pirate everything just to shit so brown, runny, bloody and hard all over nintendo, sony, microsoft and all that to fuck them off. We also want full games back not unfinished ones. Pirate the planet just so we can get our revenge and prove our point to THE WOOOORLDDD!!! WE OWN THESE GAMES AND WE DESERVE IT.

[@M64bros]

7:06 fun fact: legend of Zelda skyward sword is still available on Wii shop and it's the only software that's available surprisingly along with the transfer software as well from Wii to Wii U

[@catmachine109]

the update channel*

[@M64bros]

​@@catmachine109yeah

[@3v068]

Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Valve, any studio selling their games on a platform digitally, MUST change their websites and platforms to say "Lease game" since buying the game is no longer an actual legal option they are giving us. If we cant own the rights to play the game and do what we want with it within reason (IE, no trying to hack multiplayer games, trying to ACTUALLY steal intellectual property and use it in another work, etc.) then they should have no legal right to say we can buy it, they should be forced to say that we are leasing it.

[@churrogamer420]

Great video! Only thing to note is that Microsoft ended up backtracking on the always-required internet connection for the XBO due to the extreme backlash and mockery that came after the announcement

[@gato0xulo]

Great video, it shows an ever growing problem in the gaming landscape, a lot of people don't realise how bad DRM is, the fact that you are dependent on an external service to be able to play your games is infuriating (even soloish games, looking at you Diablo IV). Back in the day (and not that far back tbh) developers had to finish the games before releasing them, and if they shipped with bugs the bugs stayed forever. I can see that having a day one patch might make for a better workflow on massive games, but it hinders game preservation since you either have to hack your console to dump a game or depend on pirated copies to play older games. As a consumer it sucks to try to improve things, services like steam or the xbox store are a commodity that have improved the gaming experience. I hope this video and your channel get more views people should talk more about this kind of things. Best of luck

[@DanteCrowlley]

I never realized Stean was just licensed games, I'll get mad when I lose all the money spent on it but at same time I'll have hood memories of playing them, ofc I can always use alternative ways to play games on PC

[@stonedscone]

forgot to mention steam has stated most if not all games on the service will be accessible if steam ever goes down!

[@MalikATL]

Just don't get your account banned is that simple.......

[@02boots65]

@@stonedscone Like that's ever going to happen knowing how popular Steam is as a platform lmao

[@Yixdy]

The gaming industry is for real THE textbook example of late stage capitalism. It's totally screwed and I hate what it's become, maybe it can implode and claw it's way back to what it used to be

[@julianx2rl]

With the Angry Birds example, I actually understand the Devs side of things. With the 3DS, you bought the game to play it on a 3DS specifically, they sell it, you buy it, and both sides can go their ways happily afterwards. Meanwhile, for you to continue to have access to Angry Birds the devs have to continuously keep making more devices compatible with it, the original APK from 2009 probably isn't even compatible with most devices nowadays, much like how a Switch can't play 3DS games. And if you're mad about that $1 you paid, you can probably dust off that old smartphone you bought the game from and play it there, much like how you can pick up a 3DS and play its games.

[@seereebee]

Hi, just wanted to point out a couple things. I should preface I'm not defending any of the BS that goes on with the ownership of modern games. Its just a couple of things I wanted to point out. Not EVERY new physical game released is just a license. Its mostly just games like Black Ops that are very online dependant that are just a liscence. Since they would he getting many patches and updates regardless if the full game was on a disc. Single player focused games like the Dead Space remake for example will usually come with a 1.0 version at the very least , that you can play offline. Xbox actually removed forced online DRM for a lot of games not too long ago! So that was pretty cool of them. Again, not saying this stuff isnt a problem. It very much is. Just the notion that ALL games are just a liscenese isnt necessarily true.

[@Xernya-b5c]

Console gaming history shows a shift in video game ownership. Early gaming consoles required physical ROM cartridges, providing tangible ownership. Downloadable content (DLC) concept introduced with Intellivision's play cable in 1981. Sega Channel and Nintendo's Satellaview further explored DLC but had limitations. Modern gaming trends lean towards digital purchases, subscriptions, and streaming, challenging ownership rights.

[@abelg9053]

Amazing video, it really shows just how corrupted the gaming industry has become. Gaming has been tainted by the hand of late-stage capitalism as well. Buy-Consume-Repeat No time to fully enjoy and critique a game No space to replay a game later in time No true ownership We need a revolution in the way video games are made or we may risk turning this art form into just another commodity...

[@SevastianYT]

Amazing video, I didn't notice there was only 147 views and 169 subscribers 💀 Great stuff, and I totally agree, unfortunately piracy appears to be the only way for us to really preserve the digital media we love (Unfortunate for the market of legitimate consumers and the entire business of selling these digital media, really makes you glad piracy exists to combat this bullcrap.)

[@devonnogoogle3592]

Man the digital future sucks, but one things I'm glad is that I'm growing out or videos game as I have been getting older so I haven't paid for a new game in longwhile and got into another game hobby, table top games which they are litterally releasing these videos games like darksouls,bloodborne and resident evil as table top games and you know have definite ownership of them since they are physical. I do recommend checking out table top games since you can play games that aren't a video game or have been turned into a good one

[@TaikenUchida41]

I've been thinking about this, lately. It's really shady how ownership of something you buy is getting increasingly vague/complicated/jeopardized by trying to bend the rules around licenses. If there is still any way to purchase a physical game copy that has the full product or better yet obtain an open-source version, I would like to invest in that... The other problem is that I would have to also invest in newer consoles, which I can't do in my case. It's even worse if I want to own just a select few games that are only available on those consoles instead of giving the alternative to play them on PC. Steam has become my only way to play games since a while ago because of how affordable it is to play the ones that catch my interest... Some games that I bought on there are still being updated and are generally more developed than their console ports. Sometimes, it's not guaranteed that ports will receive all parity updates-developers may even decide to release version-exclusive updates, generally with an additional cost.

[@battleon81]

This prompted me to look at my apple purchase history to see if any of my old games were still available. On the one hand, I found a lot of nostalgic titles like Arel Wars, Cartoon Wars, and Song Summoner. The downside is that I can't actually download a single one of them even though their purchases are still tied to my account.

[@stonedscone]

yea i had many older minecraft knock off games that don’t work anymore and went down a rabbit hole to find a specific one that to this day i still can’t find. it sucks and really i just wish these apps would be archived in some means

[@damiencrossley7497]

So don't want me to pirate then put it at a reasonable price and I'll get it! NO?! YAR HAR FIDDLE DEE DEE!

[@Nikki-xh9cj]

Awesome video man, It describes in a simpler way the situation with owernship and phisical games. Keep It up man your'e doing great

[@macksnotcool]

I think there's some misunderstanding with some of this. For example, when angry birds was delisted, if you already bought the game and installed it, you still had it. Both times it was delisted you stilled owned the app file. You are mad about always online DRM which is always a pain. Angry birds and certain things you mentioned did not have Always online DRM. Like you were mad about Angry birds but not Virtual console (which had ALL of its games delisted).

[@stonedscone]

😢

[@DioBrando-qr6ye]

The EU needs to impose ownership rights to the gaming companies. It's the only way we can get ownership of our digital games.

[@JazzyWaffles]

This is something I love about Nintendo games. (We're not talking about Game Freak right now, please disregard the black sheep of the Nintendo family.) If you buy a Nintendo game, sure there might be a day 1 patch, but it's optional and usually just a bug fix because they caught a bug after the games were already being printed for sale. I've never bought a physical Nintendo game and had to download the entire game. It's there, on the cartridge. The initial release might have a bug or two, sure, but it's never "download the patch so the game is playable." (Again, not talking about Pokemon. Dear god we're not talking about Pokemon.) In a world where buying a 500 GB disc doesn't guarantee that the game is ON THE F***ING DISC, it's so refreshing that a company just... puts the game you bought on the cartridge you bought. And any online updates you CAN download are just to fix minor issues or for some DLC that, let's be honest, would have been a "scrapped content" fun fact for online listicles if it were released back on the N64/PS1/etc.

[@DragonsDogmaEnjoyer]

They also print revised cartridges for some of their first party games, so all or most of the updates is already on the cart.

[@PerryJuice]

how is a such well made video not blown up??

[@grassroots15]

Inaccuracies lol

[@Yixdy]

The videos only like a day or two old bro. . . - or - This is a very well known and heavily discussed topic with dozens of videos that have already been made, and I think generally most gamers already have an understanding of this whole situation. What I think is missing from this video (and most of the others as well) is any kind of analysis, discussion, dissection, guessing, etc., etc., about the situation as a whole besides 'this sucks' (it does suck tho lmao.) The situation just needs to be poked at from a few different angles. How did we get here? Why did wet get here? What do companies stand to gain from these tactics?(money, duh, but is it working? - check and compare stocks, try to find profit reports, etc.) Who Led and who followed? Is there anything at all that's good about this? Generally, it all leads back to late stage capitalism of course, but I think a lot of people would appreciate being guided through how so many have reached that conclusion. The gaming industry truly is one of the best and most clear cut examples of late stage capitalism out there. Plus, this video is only like a day or two old.

[@I_LoveDr.Pepper]

Your channel is so underrated holy shit, keep up the amazing work, content creators like you are so inspiring!

[@phoenixgaming-plakadrakes6235]

Very underrated channel, just checked out a few of your vids and subbed. Hoping you get a lot more popular in the future!

[@minisculex3]

and people say digital is the future when in fact, it the worst idea for consumer.

[@BittenToe]

Bro what, this video only has 400 views? I straight up thought this was another well known content creator, this is really well scripted and edited. I did want to mention though - Valve has gone on record that if Steam were to cease function, it would remove DRM on all games you have, allowing you to play them offline and without Steam, a very nice business decision for the consumer.

[@Wourghk]

GabeN has gone on record saying that, not Valve. This is an important difference and you should know better than trust words at their face value in this world of corporate doublespeak.

[@FoxBlocksHere]

In a perfect world, yeah. In this world, too many big game publishers would be upset, and I can imagine Valve would find themselves in legal trouble for it.

[@Goldfire345]

@@Wourghk gaben basically is valve in a sense they're privately owned and since he's still Ceo after all this time it stands to reason that he has majority Control over the company shares Compared to say epic or Microsoft who wouldn't be able to make that kind of claim because share holders could easily turn around and tell them no you can't do that.

[@Goldfire345]

Though because of that I'm quite worried what's going to happen when he dies and someone else takes over or he chooses to step down because then oh boy

[@AzureOtsu]

this video rules and it's got a fantastic insight, funny and relatable jokes. look forward to watching ur future videos :) subscribed

[@appaccount7203]

Nobody has ever owned a videogame. Even in physical form, you're just buying a license to run that software on the machine. Though the resell element removes that abstraction to unlock that product as a store of value for the holder. But from a technical or legal viewpoint you certainly cant do "whatever you want" with it.

[@accountid9681]

You can't do whatever you want, but you do have consistent access to a 1.0 version of the software, which can't be taken away from you

[@StarCrash40]

I'm surprised you didn't cover decaying hardware and disc rot

[@grassroots15]

Major correction; Halo CE on xbox does *not* have xbox live functionality, at all. Halo 2, released 3 years later (and 1 year before the 360,) was the first Halo with online play! (I know about the LAN tunneling apps, that's not what I'm talking about lol)

[@Pedro999Paulo]

Great video, but what you said about the Xbox One is not true, after the backlash they recieve after announcing that you always need to be connect to the internet they revert the decision, I am able to play games offline even games I downloaded. With that said downloaded games are attached to your account, so when Xbox one services shutdown you need to make sure you never Log out.

[@42seven]

9:49 this section reminded me of a old mmo i used to play, that went down recently, that even had unlockable content (aka you had to buy something and enter the code included) no one preserved the content (as far as i know) and i kinda miss it

[@Chris-bz2rf]

And even if you archive something like a old gba game or just build a rom site for preservation, sony Nintendo or Microsoft do have the right to judt burn that, making even games you thought was safe obsolete

[@adlaistevenson2623]

I'm all for offering digital purchases, if only for the environmental benefits... But if so we should be buying actual files downloaded to our systems. If corporations are allowed to revoke access to things we've paid for, then we're definitely in the moral right to pirate their games.

[@josepheisley3691]

I think that you might be having a blow up moment. 100 new subscribers and 1.5 thousand views in one day, is pretty good for a small KZbinr such as yourself.

[@unseen32808]

Piracy is the answer. The only way to really own games

[@JPD2587]

When I bought Mario Golf Toadstool Tour it glitched and I could never proceed past the first course. 💩

[@MaryTownsendRyokansDomain]

This is good to be a retro gamer to some degree but I do agree with this video.

[@Anthestudios]

This channel is great! Lovely topics and great execution.

[@Thornskade]

The games-are-licensed-not-sold clause is entirely misunderstood. It has always been that way and it is stated in everey single TOS ever, including from before Steam existed. It doesn't mean what you think it means. It means that you don't own the literal contents of the game, i.e. the copyright. Which is true. Games aren't products, they're software. A string of 1s and 0s which only do their magic once you execute the code on a local machine. This is why we have software licenses, so that there's something tangible to sell in the first place.

[@OmegaRejectz]

11:26 ***except when they feel like making a Disney Vault situation and make it a timed-released (Super Mario All-Stars). But hey, what do I know, the game sold like hotcakes for some reason.

[@CastellANM]

Bro idk if you just didn't know but PS4 games are in fully the disc lmao When the game is too big they come in 2 discs, like The Last of Us 2 and Horizon Forbidden West I can unplug the internet cable from my PS4 and perfectly play those games with no patches Good video tho 👍

[@CastellANM]

Fully in* haha

[@deer-fm2bd]

Xbox one games that you buy and download can be run offline same with discs. Might be the game w/out nay patches but it is the full game unless the case specifies otherwise

[@Ad-im1ne]

Frankly I find it very unlikely Steam is just going to kick the bucket any time soon. I'm no valve-drone but it'd require a terrorist attack to be abruptly pulled down. But if you're really paranoid about ownership, say "nah" to man-made law and just dump ROMs and/or lrn2piracy. It's easier to keep track of, you can transfer game files or saves to other devices, and if you lose a copy you can just grab your spare or re-download it. The physical components of all games (discs, cartridges, the console/machine itself, peripherals, display tech, etc) are susceptible to decay and disaster (sometimes it breaks down faster than we know it, even my 3DSes which are only a decade old show signs of atrophy), so you may as well take matters into your own hands instead of begging big corpo to be nice.

[@xX_r_Xx]

I heard somewhere that "Red's First Flight" was just a rename of the first rerelease and also exclusive to iPhones and not a seperate rerelease.

[@brawlfan]

SomeOrdinaryGamers proved that PS5 games are stored on the disc, so are you trying to claim that all xbox games nowadays aren't on disc or that specifically Black Ops 4 isn't on the disc? Because without disconnecting your console from the internet, how can you tell?

[@lugiafan]

I heard somewhere that steam claims they've got some code they could implement in the even that they're going to die which would allow steam games to be played offline.

[@bokunogentoo4420]

8:47 we did! Xbone had a lot of backlash when it was first announced

[@lordnul1708]

Guys, we need to spread this video loke crazy. Everyone needs to see this.

[@ChicagoRise]

300 subscribers is OD! For this quality!

[@alface935]

The last Consoles to have Free Online Multiplayer were: - Playstation 3 (2006) - Nintendo 3DS (February 2011) - Playstation Vita (Dezember 2011) - Nintendo Wii U (2012) - No Xbox Console since all 4 of them (as of 2023) require You to pay for Xbox Live Gold to play Online (Except Xbox which shut down a while ago so You can't even pay to Online there anymore only on the Xbox 360,Xbox One and Xbox Series X as of 2023)

[@royalcass]

y'know at least Splatoon 3 has a single player campaign and more levels coming via DLC. While I definitely consider Splatoon more of a live service game since 99% of my time is spent playing online, at least there's a beefy single player campaign

[@Thornskade]

You're actually wrong about TF2 and DOTA2. Both games have all of their content fully playable in LAN mode while offline. You can also host your own servers for TF2 which will persist after the game servers are shut down. These are not always-online games like the rest of the titles on your list. Valve is thankfully pro-consumer like that.

[@3v068]

"since most of it didnt fit on the fucking disc" false. Blu ray discs are now storing well over 100gb of game data, lots of games still have the day 0 unpatched game available for play on most systems. I really think the only system to have a major issue with games like this is the newer xbox's

[@JimMilton-ej6zi]

The fact that the only way to have a fully updated disc with all of the data on it is to pirate it on PC is so disappointing.

[@chaserush1382]

good thing pirates preserve the roms for emulation.

[@CheddarVG]

And that's why I prefer to emulate 'em, most of the time.

[@djhowell5273]

Buddy, halo 1 never had online on the OG xbox. It was halo 2

[@stonedscone]

yea my bad lol i got lot of ppl tellin me i misremembered

[@djhowell5273]

@@stonedscone it's all good, I love the effort in the video and thumbnail so I subbed! Keep up the good work

[@Yixdy]

Oh and congrats on getting swept up into the algorithm somehow! I'm just trying to help with all these comments

[@wyvernshido]

mostly all xbox one and ps4 games can be played to completion without ever going online; out of 135 xbx1 games i own one requires internet. While none of my ps4 games require internet (over 200 games.)

[@stonedscone]

i believe initial console start ups at least require some online input i may be wrong on this as i wanted to try but didn’t feel like factory resetting just for the concept. games i play that are like 100gb+ on old gen and online/community content is more what i’m trying to stress i should’ve been clear on that.

[@wyvernshido]

@@stonedscone the xbx1 does require a system update for first time use of the console but not the games; the ps4 does not. FYI you can download that update to a flash drive on a pc, you never need to go online with the console.

[@JimMilton-ej6zi]

I tried buying cyberpunk2077 pc physical because i wanted to refund it if it sucked (it sucked) but what the gave me wasn't even a disc of the game, i got a piece of paper with a download code, it was so lame and i couldn't refund it

[@Dlf212]

All hail GOG for the lack of DRM......

[@pluma8547]

300 subs only???? Jesus, the smaller channels always are more interesting than the big ones

[@PikachuGamerSMT]

Red’s first flight isn’t a re pay it’s a re name

[@switchboy2320]

I hope some devs are still out free and not all aqquired

[@ajko000]

Yep, the last few seconds demonstrate the only real solution. In the distant future, you will own nothing and you will like it.

[@HarrisonBorbarrison]

Or become Jack Sparrow

[@Cool_Gu]

Great video! But Halo CE did not have online multiplayer, that was Halo 2.

[@stonedscone]

if i had a shot for every comment about this id be dead, but thank you for the support!

[@bigthecat4408]

Halo CE didn't have online

[@stonedscone]

haha another shot for me

[@leon4000]

I learned something about the Virtual Console that Nintendo had. That showed me why digital games and the way they are being used ultimately doesn't help gamers as much. Because the time will come when you no longer have any access to them, so for any games that I wanted to play, unless I homebrewed my game systems and other alternatives, I won't be able to play them. I'm glad I retained some of my digital copies, but they only exist as long as I continue to take care of my game systems, which the number is still finite and require even learning real life skills to continue playing them. DRMs, Live services, I knew that they were a problem when some executives started putting this out and made a grand explanation that doesn't hide much when you realize the logic behind them. It's not any different than MMOs one day ending, and you never play them anymore. So, the point of where this went wrong starts from the guys' upstairs who wants gaming to be something that they can control from some point in the past. By people who barely have any respect for anything other than what could put money in their bank accounts. And the video game industry, like every other power and entity that exists, has people like this who talks a lot of talks, but internally has something in mind for the public. Even places like Google just hit us with a policy update with the inactivity periods. And I doubt even the inactivity period of 2 years will last, as they keep changing their minds and make things even more unbearable for their consumers. And they know they can push the limits since not enough people makes a fuss enough to care. I know from just reviewing my life that back then, at least you owned your copy of a game and play it so long as you had taken care of your game systems. Which lasted as long as it did up until the 2007 to 2020s where everything is being moved to digital. This is more than just gaming; this is something else that's been slowly but surely heading straight to a future where we have little ownership of anything that's digital and maybe more. This usually gets written off as some conspiracy, but I don't have to be a theorist to know that our future is becoming bleak by the hands of corrupt people who really got some serious issues with controlling people, which is pretty sad and pitiful. They say, "save your pity for the weak", but I realized one thing from that phrase. It's all BS from people too lost in trying to be number 1 at too many expenses to everyone else. They can keep their sad strong vs weak philosophies.

[@slapjack685]

Good video, good editing, I agree with your point, but if I had to be honest it feels a little like you're just making the same argument (owning game = good, renting/licencing game = bad).

[@d7mf3j]

you will own nothing and be happy

[@NitwitsWorld]

Hope we get alien discloser and WW3 soon in our lifetime

[@SoundToxin]

I don't think TF2 is the same as those other games in the Live Service section. You can host your own dedicated server and play with people, should even work offline if you wanted to do it at a LAN party. During the portion where you talk about Switch games being playable day 1 but getting more content later that's not on the cart, I think you should've mentioned that they actually reprint carts later with newer versions of the game on them. Usually this still doesn't include DLC (though Japan gets some cartridges with DLC on them I think), but it will at least include the game updates. It's also worth discussing the flaws of physical games for preservation. Your disc/cartridge can be damaged, lost, broken, etc. We really need a combination of physical and digital, and no DRM getting in our way. You should be able to get a cartridge and then back it up to your computer, we should be able to find backups of cartridges online that can then be played back even if all the cartridges in the world have stopped working. Physical games with the whole game still have the advantage that you can use them even if you have no Internet access at all, but for the most part getting digital backups of stuff from the Internet covers things. You kind of addressed this at the end with "just fucking pirate it". That's the only method that will last and be reliable. Although it's not perfect because someone has to actually preserve the games in a place others can get them, otherwise we end up with lost media. Also anything that relies on a central server becomes unplayable unless/until people reverse engineer it enough to recreate the server. It's sad that it often feels like the players of the games are in a war against the people making the games. We want to play games, they want us to play their games. It should be that simple.

[@manwithoutmercy]

Discs are more than licenses for the most part. It's not a matter of storage. Games just run faster off your storaage than it would via disc

[@Kyleology]

Technically, even with physical media, you are only purchasing a license to play the game.

[@androgynousblob4835]

here before this blows up. I got a feeling the algorithm has blessed you....

[@TheAbsol7448]

I love Steam as a platform, but I really don't like the whole license thing

[@spikerthedragonbear]

Piracy to the rescue

[@reydgukthewjw8349]

Fortnite has an offline server called Lawinserver and tf2 has official offline servers thoes two game were bad examples

[@reydgukthewjw8349]

Also ouya is not a streaming box

[@Thornskade]

Lawinserver is not official, though it's good that it's possible at all. Probably a case of reverse-engineering the online servers?

[@2-bit567]

At least GOG is DRM-free.

[@UrPalVanes]

This is why I pirate and store the files on my server

[@brianmercerjr2282]

awesome

[@gamephreak5]

No, what Nintendo's doing with their subscription VC service is perfect, because I don't want to keep paying Nintendo $8-$10 freaking dollars for the same game on Nintendo's next console. The way Nintendo's subscription works is perfect, as all those games on the service NOW will still work on all of Nintendo's future consoles without having to re-port all of those games and emulators again. They'll all just work, so what Nintendo is doing with their classic retro games is making them future proof. I vastly prefer Nintendo's method than the old VC method where you have to keep buying the same game again and again, and that's IF Nintendo decides to port that same game to their next console. I don't foresee Nintendo going anywhere from the gaming industry. I can easily see Microsoft and Sony leaving the gaming industry because they've made such a huge mess out of it.

[@brighamfish713]

If you add up the money you are spending each month, you might as well just buy them all again, AND you don't own them. Furthermore, you don't have to buy them on a new console. You can use your old one.

[@stonedscone]

@@brighamfish713this is what i’m talking about! who cares if NSO gives us NES, SNES and N64 you are LATE if you want to buy those on switch they’ve been offering those consoles SINCE 2006 ON THE WII!!! if Nintendo wants to justify NSO they can’t justify their subscription with titles we’ve already been playing since childhood emulation. They need to stop holding GCN titles for remakes and just release them under the service, if Xbox has Game Pass down, Nintendo could. it’s as simple as copying and pasting ISOs into an emulator app

[@DoxSteele]

TF2 is not a live service game in any way... It's just a multiplayer shooter

[@AldrianCG]

Maybe is selfish from me, but i really don’t care what will happen in 100 years from now. 🤪

[@danielyoutubechannel407]

We need to stop this

[@pokepha8379]

Personally, I disagree with what you said about Live Service games. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but you still paid money to have fun with the game. Your money didn't "go to nothing" when the server shut down, you probably paid for years worth of fun. Admittedly, it's probably a worse ratio than paying 60 or 70 dollars per triple A title, but it also depends on the average player and how willing they are to replay the titles they own.

[@stonedscone]

i am part of a niche where i play mainly single player experiences therefore my values are set in different places but don’t take this as a serious/definitive take on my part as i’ve spent money on fortnite since season 2 i value that game to death even if i disagree with it longevity wise, thank u for watching!!

[@CG-wf2oc]

You will own nothing and you will be happy

[@reinaldothecringemaster3728]

Hello I have subscribed to your KZbin channel

[@iandecent]

true

[@jediwolffusion]

This video is so well made !!!!!!

[@DURANDAL1007]

halo 2 had xbox live connectivity, halo 1 did not

[@ShadowRealmZ373]

So in conclusion, the One Piece is real!

[@panikk2]

4:18 halo 1 did not have online play

[@BubbleManmm2]

3:56 I’m pretty sure the video here is a fake one

[@BubbleManmm2]

Still great video

[@stonedscone]

shh analogue horror