The Virginia Tech Massacre - Lights Out Podcast #20

[@LightsOutPodcast]

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[@psychedlicsouljam1995]

HEY GREAT VIDEO! Where did you guys get your tapestry behind you with the cool sun??? LOVE & SUPPORT FROM TORONTO

[@amandaterrio4823]

Done

[@MrGreenmints]

Hey . I know some of the victims of this shooting and they aren’t cool with the thumbnail. I’m a huge fan of the chan but This type of vid is exactly what he wanted . His background story doesn’t matter , his troubles don’t matter , it doesn’t matter how emo he was a kid . There is absolutely no excuse for murder . Mentally ill people don’t kill people , they get help . Sick monsters who don’t deserve to be on this earth kill . Bullying does not cause murder . Evil does . What matters are the people he murdered . These people want to be famous . You’re giving them that . How about putting the victims pictures in the thumbnail instead ?

[@kayleed2497]

Heaven B really good point, prayers and love to the victims and their families

[@ohyeahdontgetsalty508]

stop begging

[@davidd2662]

Damn his roommate did literally everything he could to help this dude out and prevent the shooting

[@conspiracycornerpodcast4302]

Same with Columbine, multiple red flags and police reports. Almost like they want this stuff to happen.

[@666cemetaryslut]

@@conspiracycornerpodcast4302 Hindsight is 20/20. You can't just lock these people up.

[@conspiracycornerpodcast4302]

@@666cemetaryslut lock who up?

[@zaxattkz6726]

Jonathan P we

[@lostwithdan4331]

@@conspiracycornerpodcast4302 The problem with a lot of peole is unless you knew it was going to happen a lot of people would just dismiss a lot of the red flags as someone who is a bit weird or joking, you don't really expect someone you know to just go shoot up a place.

[@Jenniffer756q]

This podcast is insanely good ! Keep it up boys.

[@santosd6065]

Damn right!

[@mcsaism]

Seriously! They were made for this

[@tdwpx5]

Man I worked a graveyard shift at work alone last Sunday and binge watched the hell out of the podcast. Had me paranoid as hell but appreciate the content!

[@ThatZebraLife]

Even the children with hollow eyes one? 😧 Nope couldn’t do it. I sometimes have to put off an episode if my anxiety is too high that day because I know I won’t sleep that night. You are brave!

[@tdwpx5]

@@ThatZebraLife omg I did watch that one and I had to walk outside and was legit scared shitless. Really gave me that nostalgic child level fear

[@extracelestial1027]

.... you listened to THIS podcast... on a graveyard shift.... alone??? dude that’s really fucking hardcore I could never

[@peterhalliday5675]

I can always trust the Mile Higher crew to be super respectful and kind when it comes to the victims and their family.

[@anastasiaxo2350]

Right ? They’re amazing people

[@Sabrinathe]

Here's a topic no one seems to recommend: Alfred Kinsey, he's the reason why our laws let sex offenders and rapists off so easily! He was a doctor and a pedophile that conducted horrible "studies" on children (he actually just abused them) that were deemed scientific enough to be the basis of many laws that would be passed. Hardly anyone knows him and yet he's the reason sex education was brought to schools. There are plenty of documentaries of him on youtube I'd recommend, but I'd love to hear you guys talk about the disturbing basis of some of our laws and why they neglect to protect children and women.

[@TeeAlee143]

oh I agree💯💯🎯🎯🤙🏼🤙🏼 come on guys!

[@corigivens6674]

I’ve never heard of him either. I’d love to hear them do a podcast on him. I’m a documentary nut but also a mom & I know it’ll be hard to watch. Hope you’re having a awesome day!😊

[@hobbs317]

Yeah I live near IU where the Kinsey Institute is. He was disgusting. I tell people to watch the documentary about him all the time.

[@mftiredddd]

the puberty videos we were shown in schools as kids were made by disney

[@rachelirene8277]

There’s so many heroes that lost their lives protecting others from him. RIP to the 32 beautiful people

[@noodlesauce2553]

If a dude introduced himself as "Question Mark", I'd be like "aight, imma head out"😕

[@steveguzman6141]

What if he's the riddler?

[@professorx3141]

@@bryangarcia5599 I'm running faster then

[@cafezo87934]

the guy is a capricorn aquarius cusp (born on 1/18), the cusp of mystery and imagination so yeah a little "weird".

[@benlynch6730]

Haha! Too right. Laters!!

[@Goofy-zl3tj]

@@steveguzman6141 only thing he riddled was them students with bullets

[@Vchill1]

This podcast is my MUST HAVE at bedtime! I adore joshes voice (have found it mega soothing from mile higher) and the topics are so interesting I almost don’t wanna fall asleep! But I always do, wake up and lay in bed and re listen to it and it’s like a routine now!

[@laurphelan]

Same!!!

[@kristinlandrum8216]

Me too! Josh has such a soothing voice.

[@Vchill1]

William Pilston huh?

[@CelticLulu]

Me!!! Lol

[@Pistol1783]

Same.

[@jnc2180]

This one hits too close to home. I actually graduated with this person. It’s scary to think I had conversations in passing and he’s in our yearbook. Several victims also attended my high school and lost their lives. We also had an individual who opened fire on our police station. He also graduated at our high school. It’s hard. None of us have moved on. It’s heartbreaking. I actually moved to another state not too long after this horrible event. My home town felt tainted. We have had positive things come from this event though. There have been a bigger push for gun laws started by families of these victims. Thank you for covering this theme. It’s super important. My love and heart goes out to all these victims and I will never forget. I honor them as much as possible on a daily basis. Please be kind to one another.

[@AlexG-pt2zs]

Gun laws?! He used hand guns what do you want people to protect themselves with? Bow and arrow. Give me a break how about you guys stop bullying people instead?

[@Piscesbitcx]

Alex G she never said anything about getting rid of guns completely. 🙄she said stricter gun laws, including a background check. Which should have ALREADY BEEN MANDATORY. we don’t need unstable people getting guns, bc as you heard on the podcast that’s not good. And she told her story and told us how her home town was tragically haunted forever bc of this psycho with a GUN and all you say to her is “BuT PeOPle protect-NO.” Have some sympathy.

[@Piscesbitcx]

Alex G people like you make me question the Future of the U.S

[@jnc2180]

Alex G I’m completely in agreement with that you are saying. I’m in no means against the rights of owning guns. Our family does. They were more so arguing the point that more laws need to be put into place to purchase a gun. Ex: background checks etc. My post was in no means to start an argument about gun laws. Many of these victims family’s are just trying to do something to bring peace to their losses. To find something to do so their deaths weren’t all for nothing. I never once said I agreed with their position of owning guns. Because once I again we own guns. And I believe in the right to defend yourself by any means necessary. I was simply stating the aftermath that happened from this tragic event.

[@jnc2180]

Belen Madrigal THANK YOU!!

[@lizpitt4895]

Andy, the roommate, is the perfect example of what to do in this type of situation. You always hear about people just saying absolutely nothing despite suspicions but kudos to Andy. I’m genuinely impressed.

[@peterhalliday5675]

when he said to his roommate "she had promiscuity in her eyes". Thats such an odd thing to say...

[@trgiun]

rubbed me the wrong way... specifically because she probably had FEAR in her eyes. he clearly had a very warped version of reality going on.

[@ginabarrows3958]

I believe he had mental issues...Sounds like it.

[@shelbystockin1001]

Incel energy

[@nostalginenhahmo]

he was a ladies man. U guys just don"t get real alphas.

[@addieloveswheelies5672]

As an autistic person I have been told many times that I was rude or whatever when I didn't really mean to be. There's been a lot of times that I want to say hi to people but just can't.... I can't really explain why but I just can't. Usually though as I get to know somebody it becomes not so hard to talk to them.

[@HH-wv9fm]

This is interesting to hear. My step daughter is aspergers and I see a lot of similarities with my son, he is 8 and outgoing but I definitely notice the way they speak, its very matter of fact and can appear as rude. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being on the spectrum. Join some groups you enjoy and find people with similar interests :) the big takeaway here is that the shooter would for sure had anti social personality disorder. We refer to that in popular literature as psychopaths and or sosiopaths. Thats a pretty big driving force when one does 't have the ability for empathy.

[@finnfan33]

self-knowledge is power! yr clearly a good person who can help many others 💜

[@awsomeakwardness]

Obviously it's no excuse for what he did, and I personally agree, it is not other people's reasons for the way he did. But, I feel that SA does make you feel really different, and that it can be really hard to find commanility with masses so I do not think it's just the case of just being more friendly towards others. But then as Addie says autusim on top must not have been easy. Again not condoning what he did, and the way he went about dealing with his mental health issues.

[@Poopiebutthole]

Your wheelchair skills r dope

[@shelbyandblush]

His roommate was rightly suspicious and really tried his best to address the glaring red flags he saw. He must have been devastated after this tragic event. I can't begin to comprehend how he has managed to come to terms with who he was really living with in that small dorm. So scary. A thought provoking episode, lads. I always enjoy your content. ♡

[@angelarodriguez6037]

Will you eventually cover the pulse night club shootings?

[@waltersobchak7275]

I forgot all about that you never see that mentioned anywhere it's weird cuz that's just right down the road from me

[@waltersobchak7275]

@F1rmnAtoR L. I wish Jax was😨

[@Goofy-zl3tj]

I know I’m hoping he does

[@muslimcel4581]

Based

[@Delilah70]

He did

[@heyeos666]

I love how respectful you are for the victims in these events. The media really does forget that people died and that there are families grieving. It's shameful that they capitalize on the blood of others. I really want to know more about his childhood. I feel like that would lay a good foundation in how he came to be. The mental health field is such a young field and has been turbulent in how those who suffer from mental illness are treated. We have a long way to go. I do think him stopping his therapy and medication turned him upside down and was really destructive on him. If he stopped taking his meds suddenly without slowing the dosages down, that can really mess up your brain chemistry even more.

[@littlemissraincloud6546]

Hey, I was wondering if you might be interested in covering the mass shooting on Utøya Island in 2011 and the related bomb attacks in Oslo. It's an absolutely horrific case but it doesn't seem to get talked about anymore.

[@medusasaurus1447]

I agree with this. This attack was crazy. And I haven’t heard much about it in general.

[@Kurious_Kiwi]

I dont know that I've heard of this... would definitely love to see an episode on it

[@MrKiingpin]

@@Kurious_Kiwi you might know it as the Norway attack?

[@lr2119]

Biggest mass shooting of it's kind in history if I'm not mistaken

[@Kurious_Kiwi]

@@MrKiingpin yea that rings a bell, there are so many shootings, its hard to remember them all 😔

[@imjustanasshlesometimes3488]

There were so many warning signs... Yet they didn't do anything. I understand that they couldn't... But his behavior in class?! As a woman, I'd be freaked out if some guy was taking pictures of my legs. And his professor?! Ugh... It'd make me sick. Thanks for covering this. I don't think many (if any) have.

[@cafezo87934]

so many loopholes too like the mental health system in america and how easy it is to get guns. guy had a mental health record yet he was still able to get guns and 400!!! rounds of ammunition WTF

[@queencupcake09]

They actually we're doing a lot. Nothing worked.

[@emmajones5733]

This was such a heartbreaking tragedy. I go to VT, and every year we hold a vigil and participate in multiple events to remember the victims. It's always a sobering day. Thank you for this video.

[@kristinsmith4375]

It's really heartbreaking that so many people died trying to shield others. 💛💛💛💛

[@mabelmartinez0065]

Hey josh ,i love this podcast and i will like you to maybe make a podcast of the boston marathon bombing since i saw like a movie about it in Netflix

[@Kurious_Kiwi]

Ya Patriots Day, with Mark Wahlberg. Great movie, I highly recommend

[@mabelmartinez0065]

@@Kurious_Kiwi yes patriots day,i forgot how it was called

[@mayrar8909]

Great movie. I just watched it too and I had no idea that more things happened after the bombings.

[@twilighter0417]

Growing up in Northern Va, everyone talked about VA tech like it was Harvard and to us, it was. This massacre shook our entire community and really changed people's perspectives about the University, but the school is still in the top of the states picked schools. So many people I graduated with went to Tech. Thank you for covering a story that is near and dear to my heart❤ love you Kendall, Josh, Joel, and Janelle

[@cailin5309]

Exactly! VT was like a “you did damn good” school.. this happened at the end of my junior year in high school (chantilly) & I sure questioned applying there after this. Plus SO many of us had brothers/sisters that went there & I remember the panic from everyone when we first heard about it in class that day. I never knew HOW deeply disturbing the reality of this was though..

[@twilighter0417]

@@cailin5309 My govt. teacher at Osbourn (Manassas) was there getting his degree when the shooting happened and he would tell us stories of how emotionally devastating the event was.... that's all the local news talked about for weeks. Glad to see the school has recovered though and is just as strong as it was before

[@pennydaytreasures8173]

This hurts my heart. This is a parents absolute worst nightmare.

[@dewilew2137]

C Ann C a student’s too...not to mention teachers and professors.

[@pennydaytreasures8173]

Dewi Lew yes, of course.

[@yoyosworld22]

His parents did the bare minimum

[@pennydaytreasures8173]

Yoyos World I wasn’t speaking from his parents point of view, but since you brought it up I don’t think it’s fair to judge them when we are only privy to reported information. It may be they could have done more, it may be they trusted the system in place. It’s not fair to blame these people for a choice their adult child made. May not be “popular” opinion but once your child gets to an adult age they are responsible for their choices. You can raise a person with morals and convictions that for anyone else would have been fine but this one individual it was wrong. Parents are not handed a “how to raise a perfect human manual”. There is no manual. We mostly all do the best we can and sometimes our best isn’t good enough. While some people may be critical of these parents seeking church help it’s fair to say the mental health professionals also failed. There were a lot of mistakes and missteps however as humans we all make mistakes and missteps. Far be it to me to criticize their parenting methods when I wasn’t living their experiences.

[@Anna-po1sb]

Basically, he killed them as well.

[@jamesmichael4698]

About to finish my night shift. This will be my bedtime listening with a beer. So excited. Great podcasts guys. Love it.

[@GranolabarBroadcasts]

This story is very close to my heart because I have lived in Virginia my whole life and actually attended the same high school... Thank you for speaking on this.

[@AmericanMom1976]

❤

[@johnv6806]

Did it change the way people think about question marks?

[@RavenCanFly]

Dang first the sniper attacks and now this you’re really catering to your VA audience, much appreciation ❤️

[@tom27041993]

Dang did you ever think he is just covering horrific events rather than catering to people from certain states? Stupid comment

[@mike04574]

i was actually messagin them on instagram suggesting to do a video on the sniper attacks a couple of months ago

[@mavis1108]

hells yeah

[@KadoTheNorm]

@@tom27041993 Catering and pandering are different things. Catering doesnt imply they did anything intentional, only that the outcome is valuable to people from VA. What you said doesnt contradict the comment you replied to and you were indignant to boot.

[@johnv6806]

@@KadoTheNorm why is it "valuable to people from VA" that this podcast talk about a bunch of people getting killed in VA? Seems rather negative.

[@jbby777]

I love the difference between lights out and the sesh haha completely different styles but both are so good. It brings a good balance on mile higher

[@amieanderson9827]

Agree the sesh is like so cool !! And its great to get know Janelle too.

[@stephsolis7624]

I feel for his parents, because it was someone they loved, they fed they raised I’m sure they feel ashamed and betrayed. I don’t understand why people target the parents. As much as we try to mold our kids into being great kids/ adults sometimes they never understand or listen, This is coming from a moms perspective.

[@dreambean.]

Absolutely,my heart breaks for his parents. When it comes to family of people with mental illness you can do everything in your power to help,and do everything "right",and it can still end in tragedy in one way or other. In these cases there are always people vilifying the family,"Why didn't they do something,why didn't they stop him" etc etc,and it always makes me angry. The sad fact is that even when a person WANTS & seeks out help for their mental health it is still very difficult to actually get it (unless you're wealthy),let alone when the person thinks there's nothing wrong with them.

[@ChangGang]

Imagine how hard it is being his sister..

[@cafezo87934]

biased.

[@theia1653]

Asian parents are incredibly narcissistic, controlling, demanding, they don't socialize their kids, and mental health means nothing to them. Asian kids were studying for SATs and planning for Ivy League when everyone else was playing in the sandbox. Being independent, assertive, and having good people skills are discouraged in a collectivist culture. So you end up with adults that are very smart but can't function normally in life, or are undiagnosed high functioning autistics. They are not innocent.

[@TheMouseAvenger]

+Theia Uhhhh....OK....

[@amber_103]

Josh you are such an amazing host. Your podcasts just flow so perfectly and the way you take time to remember the victims is so important.

[@kayleed2497]

I held it together until the moment of silence and the list of names. Thank you for honoring the victims.

[@tianasmith1311]

Sitting at home crying and I see this upload. Thank you for being here to get my mind off of my own life even if it's for just an hour or so 💚💜

[@327outkast]

Hope you feel better soon. Sending love ❤️

[@amieanderson9827]

Hope your ok sending you a hug over the wifi 🤗🤗

[@tianasmith1311]

Thank you 💜💚 I will be ok just going through a lot mentally rn. Love you guys 💜💚

[@pennydaytreasures8173]

I’m sorry you are having a really hard time right now💕

[@noodlesauce2553]

Aww I'm sorry you're going thru it right now💔 I hope you feel better. Sending u a virtual hug❤

[@kelseysification]

I was in high School when this happened - my older brother at Virginia Tech and even lived on the floor below Cho in the dorms. SO MANY people were making calls in the area that it shut down cell service around the campus. I can remember the absolute fear while waiting to hear my brother and friends were ok. I can't imagine the absolute horror in those classrooms. gives me chills remembering it. thanks for covering this story.

[@sasha_marie_13]

I have Aspergers 🧩 and am 23, and I still need to be accompanied to the hairdressers because when I'm asked a question, even something simple, I freeze up, my mutism kicks in, and I literally can't speak, which I know takes the poor hairdresser off guard😂. When I panic my face reverts to it's 'natural' expression of blankness (some of us on the spectrum don't naturally have any or many expressions), and I don't tend to remember my social training that tells me no expression creeps people out, I'm just frozen and panicking😅. I've been in therapy since I was 11, and countless different psychiatric approaches don't ever seem to impact this response🤷, I'm always panicky around people and outside of my home😞.

[@paigebarker1468]

Sorry to respond 2 years later! I just found the podcast last week so I'm bingeing and browsing comments 😂😂 But anywho, my ex had Aspergers as well and he was very similar! Not so much in social instances (although he did have social anxiety, just not full shut down mode lol) but when we would argue, (just little disagreements, not anything aggressive or anything) he would get overly stressed and not know how to communicate his thoughts and just stop talking and blankly stare. In the beginning I would get so frustrated and try to pull the words out of him with no success, but after years together I came to realize that when it happened, all he needed was for me to shut up and walk away so he could regroup 😂😂 it's very interesting how our brains work, so many differences-yet so many similarities'

[@saramuchnick2378]

In the midst of having a really really bad panic attack having a breakdown I was so grateful to see this upload . The whole mile higher fam always has me covered thank you

[@maryevebrighton9546]

My sister in law is an assistant dean* in a department at VT now, but when this happened she was a student. It’s eerie to hear the details again, no matter how many times I’ve heard this story.

[@aleksandralempart8305]

Assistant dead 😂😂😂😂

[@maryevebrighton9546]

Bahahahaha i meant dean but that’s a horrible typo for this content, 😅😂🤣

[@Intruderpink]

Thanks for doing this one! I never hear people bring this up anymore. This happened right down the road from me & one of my friends broke their leg jumping out of a window

[@Nessachez]

I get driving anxiety when I have to take my mom to work and it was really hard in the beginning but now I look forward to it thanks you your podcast. I’ve been a longtime listener of Mile Higher and I am subscribed to yours and Kendall’s channels. I also follow all Mile higher, Lights out, and The Sesh. I’m so stoked that I have so much content to listen too! Thank you guys for all that you do! It really helps my anxiety 🥺

[@PaxPanic]

So I'm a Spotify listener and I just wanted to jump in the comments and tell you how I appreciate just how respectful you always are. You never fail to acknowledge the victim and do it in such a respectful manner. Such a great thing to hear in this world! Thanks for some amazing content!

[@momoneyy9079]

I was just thinking of y’all and this podcast posted 🥺❤️

[@losgryfog]

Literally

[@brucewayne4814]

Same

[@Tarumarugan]

I felt attacked when they said listening to the same song repetitively 🤭😰

[@Tarumarugan]

@j Y because as a man I do as I please 🤫

[@XposinDundee]

Same 😂

[@beatrisflores1309]

This is one of my favorite podcasts! Could you maybe do the October 1st shooting in Las Vegas? I’m a Las Vegas local and you two are so good at breaking the events down!

[@natasharyan601]

Tysm for covering this I grew up 30 mins from Va Tech and had so many friends and family that were employed or students there when this happened.....amazing podcast by far my favorite 💕👌

[@jordanmercier3616]

Lights out podcast: So for the sake of not having to say Seung he cho a million times I'm just going to reference him as "cho" From now on... Next sentence :So Seung He Cho.

[@joannbyrne182]

Yeah..... Cos that's the important issue here !

[@jordanmercier3616]

@@joannbyrne182 lol, relax detective Joann.

[@fedfan3079]

Haha, I caught that as well.

[@bananabreadman55]

i was gonna say that aswell

[@TheMouseAvenger]

LOL! XD

[@findingmeimo]

I cried when you mentioned about all the innocent victims who lost their lives. My condolences to their loved ones.

[@BB-gl7qh]

These stories always make me cry school shooting hit a soft spot and I have no idea why I can listen to such brutal podcasts about murder cases... but for some reason school shooting make my heart drop to my stomach god bless

[@juliannacapetillo8675]

LOVE your podcast!!!! My dad and I have been binge watching your episodes we love them!

[@erikarossow3083]

When you were talking about how it’s so easy to talk about but can never imagine being in it. I completely agree with you. my parents were in the vegas shooting and it’s something you can never wrap your head around around it happens to your family and friends. Thank you for covering this

[@jessfarrelly601]

The main reason I love this podcast is due to how respectful you guys are towards the poor victims of these massacres. ❤️

[@eh7322]

Thank you for showing the victims names and pictures. A huge part of why I watch all of your guys' channels is because of the respect you show for the families and victims who didn't ask for this to be their legacy. ❤

[@Co-ww4ef]

They cant pump these episodes out fast enough. This is the only podcast i look forward too thanks guys.

[@santanasherring7214]

I remember the terror I felt as a teenager watching this unfold. My heart goes out to all those affected. Let us remember the victims. Thanks for covering this ever so beautifully! You did it great justice.

[@allisonnaugle8447]

Thank you for giving the victims their voice and telling their story. My sister was able to go and visit the memorial for the victims. She was telling me that the shooter originally had a stone with his name on it, but many petitioned to have it removed, and now there’s an empty spot where it used to be.

[@ezralee8304]

i lived 30 mins from the school when this happened. i had friends in school who's siblings experienced the massacre. that shooting changed me from a young age, from there forward we had many more shooter drills, moments of silence daily, and constant remembrance through memorial in the school. thanks for covering this, for those in the community i lived in during the time, and now living 10 mins from VT, that shooting impacted so many people forever, even if they weren't physically in the college. i vist VT a lot these days because its such a beautiful campus and the memorial they have there is chilling yet beautiful.

[@ezralee8304]

also a man from VT kidnapped and murdered a 13yo girl a few years ago i believe, could be something to look into. that school has a dark history.

[@Anna-po1sb]

Okay so like. I was similar to him. I didn't have selective mutism but I am on the spectrum and I never got therapy because my family was against it. Essentially, i didn't understand social communication and would say imaginative things similar to cho. People were avoiding me as well for those reasons and I would get more upset and would shut down because I didn't understand why people would turn away. Sometimes, people need to be taught specifically how to socialize and things need to be explain to them. Edit: I even remember identifying with school shooters as well because I was on the outside and felt hated and not welcome by everyone else.

[@aleksandralempart8305]

I'm so sorry you struggled so much. Are you doing better now?

[@AmericanMom1976]

❤

[@CemeteryGates17]

Similar story here. At 15 I figured out the world didn't really do much to make people who struggle like this integrate, so I started looking out for any material about social behavior. I ended up learning quite a bit about NLP, and for better or worse, I've made a career out of sales in part thanks to that. However, unable to find the information I was after, I only partially learned. I'm still eccentric to many people, probably downright weird to others, but much more accepted than I was as a young kid. I feel like this should be readily addressed by society more, but there's lacking educational material for "normal" people and such, as they too are largely helpless (even if well-intentioned, like the roommate) as to how to deal with cases like these. It appears many professionals have the answers, it's a matter of putting this under more mainstream attention.

[@Kurious_Kiwi]

Same, I didn't know how to socialize, people would run away from me and I didn't know why. Some of my friends think I'm on the spectrum but I duno 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Anna-po1sb]

@@aleksandralempart8305 After having some near death experiences I'm finally getting the treatment I need so I'm doing very well :)

[@hannahr4007]

Amazing episode as always, Joel and Josh. Informative and respectful toward victims and their families all around. But did anyone else find it hard to not smile in their head when Josh said “I’m not a father, yet” ? If you and Kendall ever have children one day, they would be absolutely beautiful. Couldn’t help it as you two are one of my favorite couples!

[@michaelbuehler3897]

This video has been the most in depth about this subject.

[@sydneystiltner685]

I find it so crazy that my favorite podcast is doing a show on my school. Like one of my sorority sisters was shot in this shooting and sadly lost her life so it’s amazing that this story is still being told. It hits entirely too close to home being in Blacksburg and on campus right now. This event never leaves the hearts of VT students we ache everytime we think of our fallen Hokies, walk the 3.2 Remembrance Run, or just walk past the memorial. 🔴🟠

[@bo.sleeps]

i feel for people with selective mutism. i feel like people just think they’re not trying when they don’t have a choice. it’s sad that he had so many warning signs with his interests and obsessions, and the fact his teachers were scared but couldn’t do anything. he wasn’t just “weird” he was so deeply disturbed. the human mind is absolutely terrifying.

[@ashleydonahue8038]

Josh and Joel back at it again

[@mspearl5704]

Thank you for another podcast that is so informative and respectful of a case that hits so close to home for me. As a Maryland native, this and the mile higher dc sniper episode...... if feels really validating to hear the four of you elaborate on and offer insight into the frankly traumatic childhood events that myself and everyone else who came of age in the DMV in the 2000s experienced. Appreciate your information and insight, always. Thank you Josh and Joel

[@valeriesotomayor5799]

Was literally waiting for the post!! I can finally enjoy it at home chilling with a bowl.

[@arkeghan9719]

Thanks for covering this guys. I think this is one of those events a lot of us don’t know much about or remember. Love the show, keep up the great work!

[@MizzWezt]

I totally just bought that salt rock skull light because of this Podcast hahaha love it

[@saradecker3633]

Thank you for covering this. I work in health care and at the time lives in VA and worked at one of the hospitals that the victims were taken to. It was so surreal watching this event unfold on TV and then being a part of it. I left the hospital that day and there were news crews outside. It was so sad.

[@calliecromer4875]

this is my town. i was in elementary school when my school went on lock down during the shooting. this has changed the town in so many ways. the community has been so strong since

[@htmlprogrammer6856]

you're hot. subbed. first virginia tech, now coronavirus. tysm asians!!

[@xsoano8519]

HTML Programmer wtf?

[@aleksandralempart8305]

Eating animals causes pandemics. You are welcome.

[@LOAblue]

One of my cousins was going to Virginia Tech when this shooting happened. Luckily, she wasn't on campus that day because she didn't have any classes.

[@rangerlong754]

AMAZING! Ya'll keep up the great work, really appreciate all MHP. It's awesome how we get 3 different podcast videos a week now produced by ya'll.

[@lucianagalvagno4096]

When I was little I was too shy I hardly spoke, not even at home, my teacher in the first grade knew I was intelligent but never spoke out loud, my mother also being a teacher was worried and had me analyze by a psychopedagogue, but I had nothing , I was completely normal .... sometimes it's a matter of personality, I don't think he's autistic

[@trillestdccxiii4971]

Yeah he was just a fucking asshole

[@amortlepsg]

@@trillestdccxiii4971 Honestly I think he was both. He probably started autistic and it got worse, but it's important to remember that he chose to end lives. Nobody forced him.

[@waltersobchak7275]

@@amortlepsg autism is way over diagnosed everybody and their brother is on the Spectrum it's a bunch of BS just like the dude said he was just an asshole

[@waltersobchak7275]

@@trillestdccxiii4971 yep you got it right

[@katwebbxo]

I still remember when this happened although it's one of those cases I didn't know a ton of details about. I was in 8th grade as well and since I'm from NC I remember people being on edge because it's a nearby state. It's just a sad situation all around. I appreciate you covering this as it doesn't get a lot of attention in comparison to other shootings despite it being the "worst." I always do the moment of silence for the victims with you. 💕

[@AngelJuliet]

I think that Shakespeare line is referencing Romeo talking to Juliet and saying ‘if I tell you my name it will only cause you harm, as my name is the name of thy enemy’. At least from what I remember

[@TrueCrime.and.DeathMetal]

I was born and raised in Blacksburg, and still live here. I was 21 when this happened, but not a student at Tech. Find comfort in knowing that this story and those we lost are never forgotten. It’s simply part of the community now.

[@GonkBoy66]

I didn’t realize it was that long ago! I vividly remember the story. These kind of situations always fuck you up because you realize something like this can happen to anyone, at any time. 🥺

[@amandas7839]

I went to college the year after this massacre and I was terrified of mass shooters. I hated being in the tiny closed-off classrooms with only one exit. I was constantly looking around at my peers. He ruined so many lives and the mental health of so many others. R.I.P. to all those lost in this senseless tragedy.

[@gsali001]

I love how respectful you guys are every episode❤️❤️

[@user-wn8tp3tv8t]

I love this podcast so much! I’ve been in college for two weeks and I have made pretty much no friends, thank y’all for making me feel less alone 💕

[@TCayFF]

I’m from Blacksburg and was a child during this event. The amount of horror, sadness, and then unity in the community afterwards was almost overwhelming. April 16th is a sad day in VIrginia every year. Great podcast and RIP to these students that lost their lives.

[@kingrobutar5037]

Can you talk about Elliot Rodgers ?

[@Humanh8red]

This would be a great video.

[@waltersobchak7275]

@@LivTheSlayer Hi Elliot Rodger here

[@annettecooper1373]

I graduated highschool in 2007 and thought you were about my age. I live in WV and remember when this happened but still didnt know all the details you shared. I love your podcasts because its so informative.

[@theadamsfamily1754]

I've been waiting for this video all day!!

[@feerl1]

I do not in any way condone what Cho did. however, as a fellow introvert who suffers from severe social anxiety, being silent and not desiring social interaction is not a sin. sure, I'm a "weirdo", but I don't owe you a greeting or a response. I don't owe you anything. if you want fake politeness, go to a fast-food restaurant. I don't exist to entertain you. other than that, yeah, Cho was severely ill and needed help. there were plenty of red flags, this tragedy shouldn't have happened.

[@m1ndl3ss37]

nobody said being an introvert, being silent, having severe social anxiety and not wanting social interaction is a sin. it’s just a major factor among mass killers.

[@PinkMonsterTrucks]

Bro ur so dramatic

[@LemonadeMouth420]

I thank you for these videos. They’re hard for anyone to talk about or even listen to but we cannot ignore what happened.

[@annadudley1992]

As a resident of Virginia I’ll never forget this day. Speaking of how horrible the media is, during the shooting they were actually live streaming video online & you could hear the gun shots. It was absolutely horrifying! Thank you for bringing light to this case.

[@GhostDigital2k]

Horrible story to tell. I remember when it happened I was in high school.

[@Candace33]

I love all the podcasts we have from you guys 🧡 It’s hard to choose a favorite when every episode from each podcast is literal perfection

[@byrnieravencraft4092]

Love how to tell these stories, very soothing. Thanks!

[@rachaeltubergen8243]

I grew up in Virginia and this hit hard in my community. Such a terrible tragedy, that feels like yesterday. I came from Kendall's page and I'm glad I did; you both are good story tellers.

[@enchantedRightHook]

I look forward to this each week! Thanks fellas

[@shellyleduc1]

Thanks again guys. You never disappoint. Your fan Michelle from Canada 🇨🇦

[@kyli1204]

You guys are great. Buzzfeed & True Crime Daily make light & jokes of their stories in a disturbing way honestly. It’s so refreshing to see young men talking about sensitive topics with such respect and solace.

[@angela.b.]

Yesss you uploaded on a Friday! I don't think I've ever clicked so fast🥰

[@UselessVelocity]

Love the podcast, gets me through work. I did just want to note around 30 minutes in you mentioned hollow points being used for the implicit purpose of killing humans, thats a bit misinformed you should have just stopped at "bullets that expand to inflict tissue damage". Believe it or not we can't legally use hollow points for military application (yes where they shoot people pretty often), and hollow points are common for hunting wild game (in addition to soft nose bullets) it's a ballistic choice made when you want maximum force transferred into the target not so much for the application of killing people.

[@luciag4531]

In 2017 a stabbing took place in my campus. I was actually studying at the spot it happened but decided to move to a different building 15 min before because I had a test and had to use the restroom. During the stupid microbiology test everyone's phones kept blowing up. And even though the professors knew they did not inform us of what was going on. As soon as the test was over I check my messages and see that my best friend is in the hospital. It was one of the worst days of my life. Couple years later the Walmart shooting took place in my hometown. I again had to call all my family members and friends to make sure they weren't dead. I haven't been able to visit that Walmart since. It was a popular hangout spot for teens. My fiance actually had his first date there when he was a teen.

[@Mcsteveberry]

your brothers smile is intoxicating

[@benlynch6730]

Smiling when your creeped out is unique. A "WTF?!" smile.

[@michealbaltimore2166]

Wish y'all did this more than Fridays!!! You guys are great 👍

[@kitkatkat196]

Would y’all ever consider covering the Dyatlov Pass incident? I’d love to hear what you think of the theories ☺️

[@addieloveswheelies5672]

I would really love for us as a society to see how important it is that we better care for our young people as a whole person

[@Just_Jess]

Thank you for covering this! I know the Lane family appreciates anyone who brings awareness to the negligence that lead to this tragic event.

[@losgryfog]

I want to believe that shakespeare thing was a joke. That was so straightforward.

[@MegaHannanas]

@Anny's World killing is not stupid nor smart, it's evil.

[@frankiemermaid2027]

cho doesn't really seem like the joking type to me, personally

[@whereismy5ht]

Dylan Morgan lmfao you are a dick

[@trgiun]

Dylan Morgan josh is just a lil slow sometimes don’t be mean

[@losgryfog]

@@trgiun 😅

[@TrillBelichick]

I listen to this show at work while I’m running my routes. Great content. I love this show.

[@brandygarner2965]

I'll never forget this day. I was in 9th grade and in cooking glass. The bell never rang. At this point we all knew the school was on lock down but had no idea why. Around 2 hours later a few students where called to the office. A senior at my table was one. When he came back he was in tears. Apparently anyone that had family at VT was called to let them know if they were okay or not. Thankfully his cousin was fine but at this time they hadn't found her yet but was in a part of the school that she should have been fine. Even though my school was in southeast PA I guess we were close enough for us to be on lock down. So scary. No were near enough is done for mental health