The Wahoo Kickr Bike | GCN Indoor Training First Look

[@JogBird]

its very important to be fully kitted out in aero wear when you're riding this...

[@sLiv256]

indeed

[@joneinarmattiasvisser6113]

Haha yes! But actually that wouldn't make much of a difference... Would be cool though if aerodynamics were a thing indoors!

[@evangossell1980]

Hell no

[@IraklyShanidze00X]

yes, also covering open skin with vaseline is mandatory.

[@denismacfarlane255]

Make sure you shave first as well.

[@adampancechowski5965]

Does wahoo take the left or the right kidney as a optional payment?

[@Nathan-1234]

they only take Kidneys in Pairs

[@Nathan-1234]

@therealgoody jokes on them, I don't plan to live that long

[@adampancechowski5965]

@therealgoody yeah but let's be honest, if you are dead who cares.

[@Nathan-1234]

@therealgoody Yeah on further reflection on my comments I probably need to get my mental health checked out again :/

[@-Flea]

Middle kidney only

[@datrc51]

Just bought one. Love it sooo much! Guys, do not scare of the price tag, price is fair, because it is Smart trainer + Climbr+ your bike = $3500, without damaging your own bike. Maint free, no chain, no cassette, no chainring to replace. Virtual gearing meaning configure to any groupset you want, biggest thing I love is shifting under heavy load, when you're out of saddle for sprint, climb. Smooth rolling give a big grin everytime.

[@pynappel]

But would you buy it if you just got into cycling? Don’t have anything I just mountain bike. Don’t really want to use mtb or buy a street bike I’ll never use on the road?

[@datrc51]

This a keeper for life, even you don't ride outdoors anymore. Way,way better than Peloton.

[@bobski36]

I am considering getting one. I sweat like a madman indoors, I bought a Giant Content specifically as a Trainer bike and have a Kickr. I'm already rusting out the front mech and have to clean/lube my chain with every ride. An encapsulated belt drive sounds so enticing. Also can offset some of the cost by selling the Kickr and the Giant. Leaning towards the purchase.

[@datrc51]

Kickr bike with virtual gear allows to config any make (Shimano, Campy...) and any gear ratio to suit your taste. This is one of the value that most people overlook in $3500. Think about how much it cost if you upgrade from one groupset to another.

[@bobski36]

Bought one yesterday....so excited! Shipped to me soon

[@amaraamar9031]

We tackled assembling the bike as a family project. kzbin.infoUgkxzg0clhbtRf2gGxPkVETFKJJKGqdsorQu The package is heavy, but I have 2 teen boys that were able to move it. The written instructions were great- we didn't need to watch the videos, but it was good knowing that the option was there if we needed it. After we were able to get it set up, the boys each rode 3 miles and I rode 8 and the bike stayed quiet. The display is easy to reset, and you can put it on whichever setting you are using (time, distance, calories, etc). I will say that my butt is a little sore from the seat, but that could be because I haven't rode in a while. While it is comfortable for me, it was not comfortable with the seat position for my friend (could not move the seat back far enough and he slightly looked like a kid riding a tricycle that he had outgrown). He also said that the seat hurt his manly parts. We are going to look for a different seat that will be compatible with this bike for him.I did purchase the Wahoo Cadence sensor and strapped it to the crank of one of the pedals. This will sync with my Apple Watch, iPhone and will import data in to my Health app. Wahoo does have other sensors available other than cadence. I can also keep either my phone or my iPad on the display and they both feel pretty secure.

[@SimpleDragon1328]

But does it produce artificial BB creak to provide a true outdoor riding experience?

[@BostonCycling_]

Biopace Man you can enable BB30 mode to simulate the bearings going to shit

[@datrc51]

hahaha...it is a threaded bb, so no creak.

[@infinitetoolz6046]

I believe theres an updye for that

[@galenkehler]

A lot of people hating on these bikes for the cost, but if you add it up it's cheaper than most people run currently. $2000 bike, $1500 trainer, maybe $800 for the kickr climb and you get close to this feature set. Add in the reduced maintenance costs and wear and you'll end up saving thousands over the years.

[@ojtibi9906]

I find it entertaining how Jeremy appears so excited! Cheers!

[@richardstewart5499]

Having a veey dynamic indoor setup like this also minimizes wear and tear on your outdoor-specific bike(s) - and not having to move back and forth and set up for indoor training.

[@crissignori7482]

I think this is the tops !!! I have ordered mine .... can't wait to get started.

[@brycezoeller]

this is the JPow content that I am here for bros! And can someone PLEASE send JPow some of the new kit?!

[@brycezoeller]

@Jeremy Powers Still have my fingers crossed for more JPow & the King features...you guys riding in Alaska or British Columbia sounds pretty cool bro!

[@jonburnell532]

This is a wet dream piece of fitness equipment!

[@mariesheppard2804]

And we're giving one away???

[@jimhansen5395]

Hey Jeremy. A couple of corrections. Zwift does support braking, but it doesn't really affect much other than allowing you to come to a stop a little faster if you want to get in to the menu, or save your ride really fast. Also, when you are riding on virtual roads, and the software is sending incline data to the trainer (for resistance and trainer incline) that is call SIM mode or Course Mode. ERG mode is when you are in a workout and the training software enforces specific wattage based on the intervals.

[@TheK1steve]

I'd like to see a version with down tube shifters, friction, obviously.

[@mopedvieh]

That ending came out of nowhere

[@XX-is7ps]

mopedvieh did feel a bit abrupt

[@IraklyShanidze00X]

I rarely crave a new gizmo, but this one I absolutely want. My current trainer is CycleOps Hammer, which took me on a 3500-mile journey this winter, and, as much as I like it, this Kickr Bike is unquestionably a huge step up.

[@usman5140]

What makes this an "unquestionable step up"? Isn't your bike more comfortable than this? Seems like a waste of money.

[@IraklyShanidze00X]

@@usman5140 I am not sure about comfort, but I have a sneaky suspicion that it can be adjusted to be just as comfortable if it is the comfort that you are after. What's more important, it is ready for the incoming Zwift upgrade, which makes braking and steering possible. Also, it is like having a climbing bike, an endurance bike, and a TT bike in one package. You can change the frame geometry depending on the exercise. Not to mention its ability to tilt up and down to simulate the terrain. Even with the Wahoo thingy, which tilts the bike, it does not feel real, as it has the front hub as a pivoting point, while in reality, it can be in the middle of the bike.

[@einfallslos1391]

Buildinng indor trainor outside👍

[@robaast]

One thing they didn't seem to build in is steering. I think this will be more likely to develop on the indoor platforms. Already available in beta testing on zwift mtb course.

[@ashsham1655]

@GCNtech I have bought this bike and it’s brilliant. I have also bought a turbo rock plate to add to virtual riding experience. Given that most of us are riding indoors perhaps you could do a review of rocker plates and see what the pros and cons are? Given that your presenters are also doing indoor training sessions, it might be a good idea to get them using the rocker plates too. #askgcntech

[@johnora3857]

I would like to buy one of those smart bikes. In Germany none of them are actually available. So watching those review videos for more than a year gets to me. :))

[@jurgen401]

Hast du es dir jetzt gekauft? Wenn ja. Bist du zufrieden?

[@rr8299]

“If we might be interested” means they paid us the right amount lol

[@vancelopez9787]

Did the "paid advertisement" banner on the video give it away?

[@jacobschenkel1010]

Price point to buy one here in China is around 32,000RMB, which is pushing 4500usd. Gonna be awhile before I have one of these parked on my balcony. If you could rock on it like the kurt Kinetic rocker I would say the trainer is worth every penny. Having the incline decrease and increase and not being able to at least rock a little bit when your out of the saddle takes the reality right out of the indoor ride.

[@feezee82]

I’m a runner, but I would love some bike to train at home and compliment the running. I have no interest in riding outdoors, and don’t want to get just some spin bike either. Although this is really pricey, I’m seriously considering getting one. But since at this point the Wahoo bike is almost 2 years old (if I understood correctly), I should probably wait for version 2.0.

[@bikeanddogtripsvirtualcycling]

cant wait for the unboxing giveaway 😁

[@samreid9840]

thanks for showing us want we all want but isn't available. look forward to it

[@jonathankohl876]

Do the 42 kg of the bike not feel horrible heavy in the uphills ?

[@chazpilks]

Now I know why it’s called that, went to buy one, then went Wooahh Kickr my bank balance

[@stevehambley55]

Expensive but how many club riders do we know riding on $3K carbon wheelsets?

[@silvermediastudio]

i've never understood the people who complain about high end products being... priced at the high end. or complaining about how other people choose to spend their disposable income.

[@nomaanalwi9495]

Would be so cool if it also titled to the side to simulate turns!

[@JoaquinCorreaDrums]

Wait for version 2.0

[@richlaw666]

Ordered mine last week but need to wait till June for it

[@linford1752]

Rich are you in the UK? I had the same issue but contacted wahoo direct and they told me who was getting stock first.. I got in touch with wheelbase last week and ordered one as they have deliveries in the next few days..mine gets delivered Monday. Hope this helps.

[@richlaw666]

@@linford1752 yeah UK but never ordered from wahoo direct they wanted 120 for postage so went with a cycle shop but they not getting them in til end of May then time they get it up to me but I'm happy to wait I'm in no rush been great weather to get out in.

[@linford1752]

@@richlaw666 Gotcha. I didn't order it direct from wahoo, I went direct to them to ask who was getting the soonest stock... when they told me I went to that company and pre ordered. Hope you enjoy it mate. All the best

[@linford1752]

Ordered one of these recently and expecting delivery in the next week. I know its super expensive but when costing up indoor set ups to use on Zwift for my wife and I, this came out at a similar cost. one frame not 2, no messing around changing a different bike on and off a Kickr and Kickr Climb every time you want to ride ect ect... loads of benifets to buying this, but for me is was something that's Zwift certified, easy to change seat height and bars for my wife and I to use and its super quiet and allows me to keep the legs going in the winter when we have rubbish UK weather. Not for everyone, grated...but I'm excited to receive it soon.

[@gcntech]

Hope you enjoy using it!

[@linford1752]

@@gcntech Thanks guys!

[@sofoclispetrosjulyan1397]

I'm definitely going to build my own spin bike

[@KerenWang]

Is the saddle high enough? 8:00. I thought you'd suppose to have a "slight bend".

[@terhokilpelainen196]

Personal preference

[@joneinarmattiasvisser6113]

@@terhokilpelainen196 indeed

[@pedroanibalfuenzalidajimen9307]

Parece una excelente alternativa para entrenar

[@imelkozlov8585]

how many resistance has this? also do i need special shoes? i have the schwinn c4 so i dont now if this is a better bike i now is more xpensive but??🤷🏼‍♀️🙈

[@thetheflyinghawaiian]

To be honest, IF I could afford it, it makes sense, the girlfriend would approve me having it in the house more (plus adjusting it between the two of us is easier), and I totally have wrecked two bike cockpits forgetting to clean up sweat. My cat tries to stick his paws in the cassette while riding and the dog gets grease on her so I see the appeal there too.

[@이양고-f3h]

It would be nice if the y-axis was also implemented following the implementation of the x-axis tilt angle in indoor bikes.

[@pantster9855]

got one and love it

[@pantster9855]

Orangeman think it depends where you are. I’m in U.K. and we got them 6 months or so after USA got them

[@mathieunorry]

This guy has been a pro presenter since day one

[@DennisNowland]

I think it looks great. I have a Kcikr snap and it's good but probably next year I'll upgrade to this. With the traffic potholes in the road plus the weather in winter I am getting that I would rather ride zwift than be out on the road. Plus zwift is very absorbing.

[@gmbmedia28]

Awesome Indoor Bike.

[@bluesthemoose]

Actually, braking works in Rouvy and Kinomap, as well as in Sufferfest (if the intervals are not hard enough for you 🤣)

[@diegodore-batres3740]

Moose Legrand I think he meant more like if u don’t brake at high speeds on a super sharp turn it would make you crash or give you a time penalty or sum

[@MichaelRycroft]

How stable did it feel under hard efforts? It doesn't look as solid as the Tacx bike but I like the incline/decline feature.

[@jacobbarrick6947]

I’ve had one for about 9 months now and it’s solid. I accidentally like that there is a little bit of sway on it during hard efforts because it feels more realistic. I’ve never once thought that the bike was going to break. Overall it’s been a really solid indoor bike. The incline decline feature is pretty cool but I like that I can customize what drivechain I am using. It is really useful when riding different courses on Zwift. (Also just as a bit of a side note I have about 300 hours and over 5000 miles on it)

[@suennoajchannel6259]

hello I am thinking to buy the wahoo bike , are you recommend ? or better kicker core ? thank you

[@rameyyoussef]

During the Fitting discussion Q-Factor was not covered. Can Q-Factor be adjusted?

[@awakenedbahamut2574]

Will wireless braking be something? It will be so easy to install with no cables at all, very clean, potentially bike frames without holes for internal routing, and even more customisation and modulation. But it may not be safe with connection issues and battery.

[@AceHardy]

Keep at it

[@wightangel]

These videos always show a really cool bit of software being used to ride with. Love to know where these people get them from. I currently pay a yearly subscription for TACX and it is nowhere near as great looking as yours.

[@petesmail1]

besides the price point - what are the disadvantages of buying such a system? and which software is that being used on in the video? thanks.

[@Dragon1165]

Wow. So much difference in what else is out there, still

[@RobertoVirga]

While Zwift might add braking in the future, it has recently added steering, and it doesn't look like the handlebars on this bike can turn. Oh well, I guess we'll have to wait for the Kickr Bike 2.0.

[@helloyogeshpatel]

Bike shop can use this to find bike fit and bike sizing before pre order

[@LarsRR]

It looks like an electric rodeo-Bull 😂

[@gcntech]

Haha!

[@charliebamford2807]

How many Christmas Present lists have this as Number One!

[@gcntech]

Get your letter to Santa in early!

[@PHBlair84]

Any plans for a full review Jeremy?

[@videosuchen]

I think you should wait a while. Because at the moment many companies are working on comparable systems. And it is well known that competition stimulates business. I therefore assume that the price will drop sharply. The demand thanks to Zwift and co. is big. You should wait a little longer, then you will get a comparable device for half the current price.

[@SupercarSeany]

Sorry, new to biking and trainers, but if this is belt drive to create resistance, what's the purpose of the rear gears/cassette?

[@Theplantbasedironman]

I've got a carbon bike, the Kikr Core and Kikr climb. I used it mainly on Zwift. Sometimes on Rouvy for the IronMan virtual race series. It all cost less than the Kikr bike. Is it worth changing?

[@taufikabidin412]

Any chance wahoo kickr would do recumbents? With both over and under seat steering.

[@robbchastain3036]

I'm pretty sure, in the heat of a virtual race, that I could rail that corner at a 1000 watts. I ain't hittin' no brakes.

[@averagerider92]

I have 2 riders in the household, can it be easily tethered to two riders so it uploads the rides to each individuals strava accounts?

[@Jpppppppp12]

Whatever app you use it will need to connect via Bluetooth, so whoever connects gets the data.

[@roivalenton5962]

can i change the crank arm with a similar 5arm 24mm spindle? i use 145mm crank in my road bike and because i'm small i use an argon 18 krypton XXS, its really hard to find the perfect fit for us petite people. Probably its going to be hard to emulate my measurements with kikr bike right?

[@gcntech]

The shortest crank arm available on the bike s 165mm, but having said that you may be able to fit a different 5 bolt crank to the bike, though you may need two drive side cranks - it's best to send Wahoo a message and see if they can help you find a solution!

[@yotsiri]

I'm gonna buy one training bike still undecided between this Wahoo and Stages SB20. Any advice?

[@phwhitefly]

But what tires and pressure are you running Jeremy?

[@MazzaJ]

It looks “tubeless” 😂

[@trroland1248]

Where is the link to “Sign up to win?” 🤔

[@johnwilliamson9453]

I think we can agree that it’s much safer than the streets these days! ;)

[@rncd1477]

What was the program you used with it that had the race footage?

[@obsvr]

Sufferfest

[@jonpoon3896]

I could buy a custom geometry bike for this price

[@gcntech]

Possibly! What you can't do then is change the geometry of your bike - both are great options to suit different needs, the kickr bike might be quite useful for fine tuning bike fit, it will be interesting to see people doing this going forward!

[@jonpoon3896]

Living in a dense urban area. I can imagine a few people sharing 1

[@silvermediastudio]

then go do it, nobody cares how you spend your money bro, who do you care how others spend their's?

[@nis6891]

What software is that at the end? Thanks..

[@gregmitchell4415]

It's The Sufferfest. :-)

[@arneseys4729]

he took it out the box... Where is the chance to win one? :-)

[@olivierdormond8433]

Can you adjust the whaoo kikr bike as a triathlon bike?

[@Jpppppppp12]

Would have to replace the handlebar, can be done

[@fitman84]

Is this the best method for training indoor? Some nore suggestions please? I am considering get one indoor training bike, i really would like to be the most similar as possible to outdoor. Thanks!

[@43bikeguy]

If I begin saving now my grandkids might be able to buy this when they are my age

[@vgjgghbgyjn1985]

Do the handlebars turn?

[@paulb8587]

Is there a prize for counting the number of times Jeremy mentions "Wahoo"? Great presenter despite the advertorial.

[@davidkessler2312]

Does anyone have an idea what app he was riding?

[@gazringgbgjgggg6697]

Had nothing but trouble with mine, shifting issues, carnt use it now, stuck in garage a week old, crap help if any from wahoo support

[@shannonparker7404]

Yeah, good luck trying to buy one of these.... Sold out almost everywhere...

[@cj4211]

Shannon Parker I just bought one :)

[@shannonparker7404]

@@cj4211 Where? Who? How?? I gots to know! :-)

[@cj4211]

Shannon Parker I ordered mine from the Zwift store

[@shannonparker7404]

@@cj4211 Yeah, so not an Australian outlet?

[@cj4211]

Shannon Parker ahh my bad, I assumed Zwift had the same kind of online shop set-up everywhere

[@jakobw135]

How does the Wahoo compare to the Keiser M3i?

[@a3x384]

This looks like an unboxing to me, doesn’t it? :)

[@FelixBauwens]

Price: $3500. I really don't see a market for these indoor bikes. There's hardly any benefit for the extra $1800 compared to a Kickr+Climb.

[@MasterTricking]

I bought this, because i have a much smaller wife und i dont want to change the frame everyday

[@Timtimzi]

@@MasterTricking same bote . i have an axs bike and campy eps bike... disc and rim

[@gcntech]

It's definitely convenient for those that want a permanent indoor training set up, especially if they share it with others who ride different sized bikes etc, there's plenty of innovative features designed into the bike, hopefully over time these will make for a better indoor training experience for many. Thanks for your comment!

[@GillesMartin151175]

Fel Ix as mentionnes above, if you a family of bikers I can see the point.

[@galenkehler]

Fel you forgot to calculate in the cost of the rest of the setup. You still have to put a bike on the kickr. Given it's a purpose built device it will last years longer. Factor in the lower maintenance costs and you'll be a long ways ahead on this thing.

[@richardharker2775]

Great presentation Jeremy. An asset to GCN for sure.

[@richardvaughn168]

Sold out - when will it be available again?

[@SILVERSNOWMAN72]

Impressive!!

[@bugboy152000]

#GCN #GCNTech It had never occurred to me that racing on virtual platforms doesn't include braking. No wonder a Triathlete beat a bunch of road pro's. There is zero account for bike handling and risk taking on the declines.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

dont see how this could ever be implemented until an auto eject function that throws one off the saddle.

[@AlbaTech]

I really wish you had gone into more detail on the ride feel. A lot of people who have used the Kickr Bike have reported thigh rub on that chunky frame. Did you notice it? Or is this just an advert?

[@simonbrown3993]

I see you never got your new kit either, but got a Kicker Bike instead. Simon must be well gell haha 😂😂😂😂

[@mrhartung12]

2:49 - “...having your outdoor bike fit exactly like your indoor bike.” ...outdoors.

[@alainbellemare2168]

does it simulate flat tires

[@arnoldligtvoet3220]

The review seems a bit short on the actual riding on the bike. Also I find it weird that they do have brakes but the bars / headset look like they are fixed, so simulating steering not an option?

[@beeble2003]

I'm not sure simulated steering really works as a concept. So much of steering on a bike is leaning it over, and you barely turn the bars when you're riding above walking pace. Braking seems to involve much more skill than steering, though I suppose choice of line is important.

[@SergioCristancho]

... Nice one from Wahoo but still un reachable for average joe's or non pro dedicated cyclist who whant to get the best of their fit before kick the real deal. BUT! no turning yet to complete the full experience, meaning still room for more advance... and yet amazing toy and great video from JPows.

[@traveltheworld4118]

What training app is that on your screen you are cycling on?

[@SakuHira]

Travel The World fairly certain it’s Sufferfest

[@traveltheworld4118]

Thank you. Got that one long time ago. I wish somebody can create a system where one can link those videos directly to a Wahoo trainer. I,have got the whole series of those videos which I bought long time ago. I did use it with sufferfest when the capability came out to link it together, but now I am using Zwift.The other ones which I also have from long ago is from VirtualActive www.vafitness.com/ The are also great , I like the ones in Petagonia. Thank you for the info. Enjoy. Cheers.

[@trroland1248]

Pros: The belt drive is very quiet. Quieter even than drivetrain of a real bike outdoors. Cons: The side to side rocking and flexing of the whole structure, even when Jeremy is in the saddle. That is only going to get worse over time as materials wear. What does this thing cost anyways?

[@beeble2003]

0:43 I feel you're not too clear on the concept of _indoor_ bike, here, but it's JPow, so I'll let it pass.

[@timothybrickley4025]

I have really been wanting one of those; I don’t think I heard you mention the price? How much does it cost?

[@linford1752]

In the UK I paid £2999.99

[@dmcx_cycling]

Should training be approached differently with a static bike than a "real world" cycling training?

[@brownshit1]

In my very humble opinion I wouldn't be doing sprint training indoors. The way you apply pressure to the pedals and the way the bike reacts is too different.

[@gcntech]

It depends on what you mean, training indoors may require a different approach purely because the mental stimulus is different, some find that reducing overall workout time and increasing the intensity is a way of getting more out of an indoor trainer, but others will happily do the same workouts on the road and indoors - you'll find out through experience what works for you!

[@dmcx_cycling]

Thank you for your insights

[@Led899]

wow

[@lesflynn4455]

I'm sure they will sell enough of them. Its interesting, and I can see the attraction. I won't be buying one though.

[@troycollett8540]

Very nice machine but for now my neo does everything I need for indoor training

[@ScottyWoodworker]

I'm on a simple "dumb" trainer a Blackburn with a flywheel. I'd like a smart trainer but it is not in the budget! I do ride/race on Zwift but my training is done on the Sufferfest app.

[@XX-is7ps]

Scott Gilbert “The Racing Realtor” ditto - Sufferfest excels for training, Zwift for endurance miles or noodling, but also races if you’re into that

[@slorberg]

How to make a TV connected to a bike?