Wahoo KICKR BIKE: Virtual Groupset and Gearing Setup // Part III

[@spfunnell]

I had no idea that front / back brake levers were different depending on country. Every day's a learning day.

[@anthonybryan7315]

Just pre ordered mine for early 2020. Expensive but less chance of being stolen.

[@lehtjug]

I just think that Kickrbike is also like a fit bike for home, if you can afford that of course. Easy to make different kind of adjustment experiments and compare those measurements to your current bike if it need any changes.

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

And all this for group ride or weekend spin. Good way to overspend you money for sure.

[@thankyoujesus2836]

Jan Kowalski good for people in cold or rainy climate

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

@@thankyoujesus2836 Cycle in the rain, cold or wind is a part of cycling itsel... Oh no wait... lol. That`s make sense. Maybe next time UCI will do Tours on this when weather will be shitty. Seriously it`s a one from the most funny arguments to date.

[@sworks7124]

Nice video with great graphics!

[@ChristopherHague]

I think I’ll start saving my money for gen 2

[@F1TZGER4LD]

Has gen 2 arrived yet do you know?

[@philchapman6021]

What would be really helpful is for the bike to adjust position automatically for different individuals in your household (or gym). You would tap on the app your name with prior inputted measurements and the bike would adjust position (saddle height, fore and aft, bike length and handlebar height) using small inbuilt motors. Also the ability to weight the rider would be helpful for Zwift and monitoring sweat loss during a session. For $4K there needs to be much more to entice the market than the same old stuff you get for just the usual (much cheaper) smart trainer.

[@chrisholton1381]

Always end up having to come back to thumbs up the videos, you should use Ray's approach and remind forgetful viewers like me 😀

[@craigamey7843]

It's not campag-nolo it's campan-yolo. Also when configuring Di2 is there any option for S1/S2, it's going to be confusing if everything is identical except for those modes (auto shifting rear when big ring changes).

[@JohanTeddy]

I hope wahoo will release virtual groupset that we can use on IRL bike frame (for indoor use of course)

[@hellopsp180]

It's an interesting concept. I would like to try one but I wouldn't ever buy one. It costs too much. If there was a way to borrow it for a few days to try or rent it out type of thing I would choose that

[@thankyoujesus2836]

Ian R and then you like and then what?

[@leoaudette8210]

hi Shane just wondering .. i just got my kickr bike back in Nov and i am wondering i have it setup for the shimano Di gearing setup .. all standard .. i only use the right hand to switch gears and when im going up i get to 1-8 then it goes to 2-6 and i have to bring it back to 2-4 quickly any ideas why it does this or is this just normal? the way im riding? as i have never seen my gearing go 1-11 only 1-8 then it upshifts to 2-6 once i get to 1-8 ... thanks so much

[@129cjc]

In you video you talk about the need for the wahoo app to be on so the weight is correct and the ride feel is accurate to an individuals weight. My zwift would not connect when I had the app open. Does it need to be open or does weight just need to be up to date? Also my wife and I will share the bike, how will it know its her on the bike and not me?

[@PaulMi11s]

I have had nothing but issues with Wahoo Fitness App for setting up the Kickr Bike Cassette... its so frustrating that the app never remembers what the setting you defined previously, is, so each time you log in you have to 'remember' what you set it at before, So a small tween to the cassette means you have to remember how you defined the teeth before.

[@robin_stevens]

Can you use the unassigned buttons to control a head unit, just like with a real di2 system?

[@gplama]

No.

[@Kref3]

Hi. Nice video. If I understand this correctly you cannot modify the DI2 buttons, right? Because I don’t like the standard setting of DI2 I have reprogrammed mine: Rear buttons control cogs - left easier (bigger), right harder (smaller) Front buttons control chainring and again left easier (smaller), right harder (bigger) Reason for this is that I don’t need the chainring often when in the drops but mostly the cogs only an the rest buttons are easier to reach. Would be nice if this trainer could be set up the same.

[@gplama]

No Di2 reprogramming at this point. Just defaults.

[@F1TZGER4LD]

Other than having experience on a standard spin bike with no gears and only a MTB with 9 gears, I’ve never had a go of a road bike, so the gearing seems alien to me. Do you have any videos for new comers like me and what the numbers for each gearing system means? I’m looking at getting a wahoo kickr bike myself so any info would be appreciated, thanks in advance for any replies.

[@karlwebb8914]

Thanks for your great videos on the KickR bike which I have just bought. Being a newbie to gear ranges etc coming to road bikes off Mountain biking! What does the ranges do after I select the front and back cogs sizes and number of gears in the cassette please? Looking forward to hearing back from you best wishes Karl in Oz .

[@gplama]

Ranges... same as gearing on a bike. Bigger cogs on the back for hills. Bigger rings on the front for flat/not hills. :)

[@karlwebb8914]

@@gplama thanks again Shane does that mean the range selection is what gears are on the bike ? I.E. 50/34 being the front cogs? Cheers Karl

[@gplama]

Correct. 50/34 are options for the two front chainrings.

[@karlwebb8914]

@@gplama great thanks then I select 12 gears for the cassette and it's the next option that I don't understand where it gives you a range ? Sorry to be a pain Shane with asking so many questions! I owe you a few beers 🍺 👍😊

[@gplama]

@@karlwebb8914 Rear cassette is the same as MTB/Road/etc. 11t is hard to push, 30 (or even a 50) on the back is easy to spin up hills. If you have 12 gears between 11-50 there's bigger jumps between each gear.

[@alanmayes6822]

New question. Is anyone having issues updating firmware from the app. It says this is needed to enable wifi. Thanks all

[@jasonahlstrom769]

Will this have the same problem as the kickr climb when it comes to trainer difficulty (that is, in Zwift if trainer difficulty is set to 50%, the climb will halve the gradient unless you futz with the wheelbase length)? If so, I'd probably keep trainer difficulty at 100% and end up with a virtual triple front chainring. Granny gears for me!

[@sofrontudor7381]

Hello - any information if gearing information will be sent via Ant+ to the head units? 🙂

[@gplama]

No

[@sofrontudor7381]

@@gplama but why, but why? :((

[@gplama]

@@sofrontudor7381 Because no smart bike implements any kind of ANT+ Shifting standard. There's no reason they shouldn't have standardised it for better integration for all software platforms... but that'd take more work and more time... two things that prevent getting products on the market fast and cheap.

[@129cjc]

Is it possible to configure one of the buttons to do power up? sorry if this is a repeat question

[@gplama]

Not yet.....

[@drmohitb]

Hi Shane 😎. Which is your most preferred gear set for steep climbs like alpe du zwift radio towers

[@gplama]

34 or 36 on the front and a 28 or 30 on the back.

[@firstcardioperformance9621]

Does anyone know if you could use the Kickr bike for VO2 Max Testing?

[@gplama]

Sure. It gives accurate power to do this with.

[@jma3686]

Tanks you for your vdo. I'm looking for a such bike and it's very useful to see what we can do with it. Is it possible to set up several bike, like b1 b2 b3 with different cassette mapping?

[@gplama]

There's no bike profiles, no.

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

You gonna pay extra 1k for this in Gen II xD

[@gplama]

Remember to hit subscribe here to know when any new features and firmwares are released.

[@mattcostall5321]

Shane, is the ride-through coming? Interested to know your feelings compared to your own steed on a session

[@asketienne8684]

getting ahead of DCRM since his is still stuck at custom

[@gplama]

He picked it up today! See his Strava and Facebook! It's freeeeeeeee!

[@asketienne8684]

@@gplama free the kickr bike!

[@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed]

etienne beney yea if you buy it from facebook its free

[@asketienne8684]

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed GPL used the word free as of not stuck at custom

[@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed]

etienne beney ha ha ha 😂🤣😆😋

[@leedorney]

Id soo love this trainer-bike ;)

[@johnburgess506]

All my training is in the TT position will there be a way to change gears from the aero bars ?

[@gplama]

Optional addition soon

[@stephanestaelens5914]

is there a possibility to do a set up with oval shane rings?

[@gplama]

I don't believe so.

[@Chruchfeeld]

I have freezes of the shifter, you know anything about this? Whaoo does nit help ne, support ignores my request

[@gplama]

You’ll need to contact Wahoo Support. This is their product they provide support for.

[@ridewithridewith8499]

How about Di2 synchro shift, can you configure that too?

[@gplama]

Mentioned near the end.

[@ridewithridewith8499]

@@gplama great way to check who watched the video till the end! I guess I failed ;)

[@inferno4001]

Too bad for the price tag. I'm still saving for a new direct drive trainer. As most of us, you also need to upkeep all your bikes, and maybe its just me, but it's getting pretty hard to explain at home where all the money has gone....

[@Rokvtm]

Sorry what is the full name of the app, wahoo fitness?

[@gplama]

Yes au.wahoofitness.com/fitness-apps

[@Fidasaind]

Have to use the app if multiple users share the bike? But what if I want to use my wife's profile. 5'2"... petite build. I can only imagine how easy hills feel for her. One of these days I want to use her Zwift account and ruin her AdZ PR. For me my PR is 82 minutes which was about 280w (probably would struggle to average 250-260 today) aka 2.5 w/kg. At closer to 4.3 w/kg (at wife's weight and my best average power) I bet I could get a time she could never hit :p Even if I were having an off day and say was closer to 4.0 on her account... And of course not tell her I did that.

[@gplama]

The requirement to set the Kickr BIKE user weight won't change your in-game speed which is related to your w/kg (watts from the bike, kgs from your Zwift profile).

[@Fidasaind]

@@gplama Sorry about the wording. 2 separate things. 1 is I'd love to feel what climbing feels like to her. The other is while I'm at it. I should ruin her PR on some climbs. For revenge for all the times she drags me up South Mountain or Bartlett near Phoenix

[@johnora3857]

Buy a wahoo kickr, a canyon al roadbike with 105 and you got the same functionality AND still got a bike you can use as secondary bike. And 500 quid in your hand. Something is wrong with the pricing i think. Where is the REAL benefit??

[@michwoz]

You won't get same functionality like that. Not even close.

[@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed]

A regular trainer goes up to around $2,000 we're talkin about a good smart trainer a regular trainer goes up to around two thousand dollars were talking about a good smart trainer. let's see here you take your 2 , 3 ,4 $5,000 dollar road bike and put on the trainer. After a few months your screws and everything metal starts to rust. Your bottom bracket starts to make noise. For people that take cycling as a sport would rather not abused their bikes and get one of these Wahoo bikes to use indoors. Most of us have two to three bikes anyway why not get the Wahoo bike as an indoor training bike. In the long run you will be saving money not abusing your more expensive bikes. I mentioned before that trainers can go up to $2,000+ this wahoo bike comes with a lot more than any trainer. This bike cannot only be used as a personal training bike many people who fit and train others can use this bike for there job to fit others. Its very good and the price in reasonable.

[@sworks7124]

Add up the cost of your Kickr or Neo, add in Kickr climb add in cost of a rocker plate, add in a cheap aluminum bike. Now if you have multiple riders in the house x that by that amount. I have a new Sworks Venge that I will not put on a trainer for long periods of time for indoor training just because the data is not out there on how these trainers stress the stays out. For what the Kickr bike does I would say it is fair pricing as long as the unit is built with quality to last. I also like that it is like a retul fit bike so I can experiment with geometries of different bikes before I buy bikes of different brands.

[@Finx5008]

What if there are three people in your house that all ride different size bikes?

[@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed]

Tony Vu ypu can even see what size cranck arms you like. The longer the arm the better for grinders the shorter the arm the better for spinners. I think its great if i had the room i would get one. I might just make room 😂

[@jonathanzappala]

70-10 😳

[@MD0886]

what's with thumbs down?!

[@njrcdan]

Eventually smart bikes and trainers will be able to calculate your weight just by getting on the bike. Only way to truly level the playing field and get rid of the cheaters.

[@gplama]

Until they put their hand on a desk beside them, or fudge the zero setpoint of the scale. This isn't an easy one to solve.

[@DeanJohnson67]

@@gplama true! though adding the sensor would keep it more accurate.. I think adding adding virtual wind to rides both head and tail would also be cool since in the real world those can be major factors...even if it was as basic as a random sudden 1 mile straight stretch where the wind was 20 mph in your face along with all others in the same section

[@Finx5008]

It's no different than any other video game. As long as the hardware and client software is in the hands of the gamer, people will find a way to cheat.

[@sportme6734]

secord

[@gplama]

You'll get first if you smash that subscribe button! :)

[@tomwieselblad1352]

It's all good, but you sure are milking the maximum out of this.

[@gplama]

Of course I am. It pays the bills. The alternate is one 40 minute video nobody will watch and resorting to clickbait video crap. These videos are stand-alone resource videos that people can refer to now and in the future.

[@gplama]

And feel free to subscribe to support the channel.

[@Finx5008]

Isn't this the exact kind of content people come to this channel for? I mean, it's exactly what Shane does. Anyone seriously considering spending this much money on a trainer bike will appreciate every nugget of detail he gives.

[@tomwieselblad1352]

As I said, it's all good, I just want you to get to the experience of it! 😊 Thanks for your effort.

[@JanKowalski-pe9lo]

@@Finx5008 they shouldnt as they are over wealthy or just dumb enough to spend such a money for toy

[@alanmayes6822]

Hi, once chosen groupset and ratios on the app how do you get back into setting to change them. Tried looking around and it's not obvious how to do it? Do you have to delete app ans set up again? Thanks :)

[@alanmayes6822]

Replying to own comment, found it by selecting sensors and the bike. It took me back to same set up screen. Now not spinning out at 24mph!