The WAKE UP CALL many great musicians will have to face!

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[@throckmortensnivel2850]

Only 1 in 10,000 guitar players every make more money than what they spend on equipment. If you don't enjoy playing, you're in the wrong business. Play because you enjoy playing, and who knows, good things might happen. And if they don't, you've still enjoyed yourself. Win, win.

[@firemarshal2629]

This is a loser mentality. There are plenty of guitarists making money that barely know their instrument. Difference is, what they do know makes money. Too many guitarists worry about shredding and not worrying about playing and writing songs.

[@iel69burner]

nuff said!

[@jamesyoung7560]

It is the same with many fields of endeavor; knifmaking in particular is a "you better do it for love" field.

[@MrBubbyG_Official]

@@firemarshal2629 Hell yeah dude. I see too many people think it's all about skill. It's a part of it, but it's also about what you said

[@PsychoticWasteland]

💯

[@64north20west]

I am sure there were better bass players around, but In 1962, The Rolling Stones hired Bill Wyman because he had his own amplifier. You just never know.

[@thepostapocalyptictrio4762]

The quality of Pink Floyd’s light show was apparently one of the factors that got them signed, according to Norman Smith.

[@cc_1983]

DLR got into Van Halen cause he had a PA

[@Kylora2112]

Ozzy got the Sabbath gig solely because his dad went into debt to buy him a PA system.

[@AlexaMorales]

Wow these stories are hilarious!!

[@horstborscht7401]

I‘m not sure if it was Lennon or McCartney who said that Pete Best was a better drummer, but Ringo was a better Beatle.

[@CaptainVelveeta]

The Van Halen brothers, Eddie and Alex were't very impressed by David Lee Roth but they let him join the band because he had his own P.A. equipment. The rest is history.

[@DavidBostock-ti2fv]

"they weren't impressed by David Lee Roth" That's probably what they told him, couldn't possibly be what they thought.

[@myklkay]

"Eddie and Alex were't very impressed by David Lee Roth" That's because he didn't do the split and jump, he just sang....

[@JJvienneau]

Last year I auditioned for an original alt rock/metal girl band, knew 10 songs perfectly but didn't get the gig cause i was a guy. But the bassist asked me to join her cover band and I did. One year later they asked me to replace the other guitarist for 2 shows at Atenas Rock festival in CUBA. I had the time of my life ! SHOW UP and be ready. You never know!

[@toneranger]

Well done. The whole idea of "Girl Bands" is just counter productive

[@allstopblue5717]

That’s sick!

[@lolalucxyz]

@@toneranger Eh... If you can find the members, I think it can be a great way to start out? A lot of women struggle to stand up for themselves/take up space when they're doing something new they're not confident in. There's a whole thing where women literally get worse at chess when playing against men. There are also a LOT of men who can be kinda crappy/condescending to women unless they shut that down hard, which is difficult to do when you're "new". Building some confidence and building familiarity with a thing before exposing oneself to that can make everything after that a lot easier.

[@LavendLady]

Dude, right on! 😆🤘

[@LP-123]

@@toneranger Counterproductive to what? It's a major selling point for female-based acts. The point is to get shows and get audience. This is one of many routes that can get you there.

[@aieahi1]

George Lynch (Dokken) tried out for Ozzy. He was eliminated pretty quickly because he had cut his hair and no longer had the “look”. Randy Rhoads’ parents had a music school. Randy told George if he didn’t get the job, he could teach there. Another fun fact. George wasn’t used to playing other musician’s music. Warren DeMartini helped him learn the songs for the tryout. Yet another fun fact. Warren DeMartini was sleeping on Jake E Lee’s couch. Jake was in Ratt. When Jake got the Ozzy job, he recommended Warren to Ratt.

[@haliaeetus8221]

Jake taught Warren things and they learned from eachother. Funny that in the days of Mickey Ratt (or proto-Ratt) George did a little playing with Stephen Pearcy and the band, but his solo I heard on the Mickey Ratt Era demo compilation was pretty bad imo. Anyway, the Osbournes would have shafted George like they did with others so George was saved a lot of grief by Jake taking the bigger blows.

[@doctordetroit4339]

@@haliaeetus8221 true....anyone who worked for Sharon got screwed she is a mobster

[@tjp692001]

Ozzy and Sharon then proceeded to pay Jake minimum wages, and coerce him out of his song writing credits on Bark at the Moon. Now he's sleeping on a friend's couch with no money. Maybe George is lucky he didn't have to deal with those greedy clowns.

[@jamesalley7387]

The saga! Thanks

[@willmcbride4435]

I’m convinced that there is a place for every musician. Just be true to yourself, work on your weaknesses, play a lot, and you will find that where you fit in is where you belong.

[@akeeperofoddknowledge4956]

Take a page from RUSH. They're a band of misfits but stayed true to themselves. I think things turned out alright for them 😂

[@Atlas65]

Yes and own it. What ever it is that makes you you

[@stephenfiore9960]

…One preacher said, if no one wants to listen to me, I’ll go preach to the cows

[@MrClassicmetal]

​@@akeeperofoddknowledge4956Yeah. All 3 of them preferred to stay in their hotel rooms to read books, rather than partying with groupies, drinking, and doing drugs. What are the odds!😆

[@TimHoundDog]

in the 80s and 90s this is not true. However it can be today because of the internet. There is a lady named Maluka had just about given up on music after attending Schools including Berklee. She ended up doing a song from video game the Witcher 3 and it went viral. She found a niche. I am a average sax player and below average guitar player( but getting better). I hope to create my own sound and put here on KZbin.

[@VikCain]

This applies even to the most boring professions in the planet. As an standard office drone I can't tell you how many times we were after an interview "yes, he knows his stuff, but I don't think he'll fit in the team".

[@ItsVictoriaG]

It’s not about who’s best; it’s about who’s right.

[@ernestoherrera703]

Occasionally they may also think "I know my stuff, I don't think I'll fit the team".

[@elosoguapo8137]

Yeah and the old…she’s very pretty, we can teach her the job

[@jmhaces]

Oh, I so agree wirh you.Over the years I've been at different times the protagonist of this story or one of the guitarists who ranked above him, both as a musician and as a regular dude putting my college degree to use working in a normal office job.

[@CommercialForest]

So true. IME, almost nothing in life is decided on merit alone. Sports teams, jobs, college applications, etc. There’s ALWAYS other factors.

[@OAlem]

Sorry, bro. We went with the guy in a penguin costume with an electric banjo, mostly because he has a fog machine and plays a mean harmonica. Guitar? We can teach him.

[@russelschultz]

That must have been a Flaming Lips audition.

[@nathaninostroza7655]

Thats the great thing about music, if you're using time to build up relationships with musicians and grow up, it doesnt mean that it's wasted time when the band could of went with a more pro bloke and shit. I know, battles are there and it's better to pick em wisely, but to see the potential rather than being pessimistic about it just for the sake off being real. Many great things happen when a bunch of someones fake it til they make it.

[@centerlaneband-columbiasc6285]

Exactly, it always happens. They hire the posers…..l

[@Soily9]

Guitar ? We'll just use a backing track and we'll teach him how to be a guifakist.

[@ledchickenfpv7164]

Until you said banjo I was seeing Les Claypool in my mind's eye.

[@JimMorrisonsBathtub]

Great reason to start your own band instead of joining someone else's

[@RandomPerson-ui3xv]

easier said than done lil bro starting a band is NOT easy at all 💀💀

[@Gk2003m]

Until everyone in your own band decides to start their own band, and everyone in those bands starts their own… soon, no more bands. Just a bunch of individual guys with “band members wanted” ads

[@MoreAwsomeMetal]

Yes, but there are thousands of new band that gets started each year, and only a tiny fraction of them will manage to have an album out, and an even more tiny fraction of those will find a sufficient audience to meet success (and I'm just talking about having some gigs in small show venues, not playing in a giga stadium). It's waaaaay easier to make it if you join a band that already has it's discography established and a fanbase that reaches out over 100 000k people (at least in your own country) then starting from nothing and only having a tiny portion of chance (yes, because you also need luck at this point, no matter good you are) to make it...

[@stevemuzak8526]

Tell that to Robert Trujillo.

[@MelodyMaker]

If this experience doesn't motivate you...nothing will.

[@CommercialForest]

Count yourself lucky if you even get an explanation.

[@sinenkaari5477]

@@CommercialForest Ghosting is the norm

[@PeterCamberwick]

LOL. Yeah, let alone a break down of the band's second and third choices.

[@abbeyna01]

Yeah this is definitely a story for education purposes only

[@CodyMWI]

@@abbeyna01yes that never happens. Maybe years later once you are in another band and run into the manager backstage.

[@PIlotrcm]

@@sinenkaari5477that goes for every profession

[@danielj.201]

That could never happen to me because I never would play outside my little home studio 😂

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Besides my Heart Tribute I agree. Haha.

[@JSession]

Same. After years of playing with annoying bandmates because there’s at least always that one guy. I got tired of it. I’ll jam here and there but I no longer commit to the bs. In my studio I am on my own terms which is awesome. I’ll still show up and do a show here or there at a family gathering but that’s it.

[@robertcalvin2643]

Good comment - I have played lots of paid gigs over the years but now just want to write my own music and record it.

[@PiratePrincessYuki]

I’m the same way… Prefer teaching my daughters and being a home body.

[@TomWilson-jp3tl]

Geeez….that takes so much balls and bravery….! Get out of your parent’s garage and perform without the gadgets. Music is the most social of the arts and getting on stage is where the real magic happens, not in your safe little comfort zone like a sequestered man child. Challenge yourself and grow!

[@charleslanphier8094]

John Lennon was asked if Ringo was the best drummer in rock n roll and Lennon said "He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles." Fitting in is everything.

[@SLB4523]

John’s sense of humour, nothing more.

[@celestinocamicia]

He never actually said that. It was apparently a joke by British comedian Jasper Carrott.

[@A.I.N.A.C..]

@@SLB4523 Picked up a very old gentle man at a bus stop waiting in the rain, turns out, he was a close freind of Lenon, and preceded to tell me 1st hand stories! What is the chance!

[@brianferguson8896]

ha yea that was the opposite scenario, pete best was too good looking and they wanted to be the good looking ones

[@mateomaderas5504]

It was probably a joke. I think Paul is pretty good on drums. But in fact Ringo is an amazing drummer, one of a kind

[@blackinblue11]

This channel is the real School of Rock, and yes, learning the chops is just barely the beginning .. if you are socially awkward, people don't care how good you play, there's no connection with the audience. For me, that is harder than learning the guitar.

[@CompleteProducer84]

That may be true in a live setting but not online. There are many awkward/shy guitarists on KZbin who play at an extremely high level, and are rewarded with millions of subs and views. At the end of the day, great unique music will win out (btw I say this not in an argumentative tone, but in a hopeful one 🙏)

[@RastjackA]

Literally said noone ever. socially awkward or not if you can play you can play. People WILL love you.

[@user-kz5cw2gj3w]

What the industry pros want is a great front man that knows how to move and connect with the audience. Forget mastering an instrument, those days are gone.

[@mikerom7991]

The part about social awkwardness is why I myself may never succeed lol also I look funny too

[@Reed5016]

I feel you. I’m autistic, so it’s really hard for me to be able to speak to other people. Mostly from previous trauma of screwing up, I’m scared that I’ll do it again and make the other person uncomfortable. I also have a blinking tic when I’m anxious, so that’s a lot of fun. I’ll probably just sticking to the social media thing, and start a channel when I’m skilled enough (instagram, tik tok, and probably Twitter after a while too). That way, I can have the best of both worlds.

[@Boogiemanager]

“Drummer went off and got married and the bass player is on his third DUI or something…” 😂😂😂 sounds about right

[@JohnAndersonJA]

It should be reversed - the bass player would get married and the drummer would get the DUIs.

[@crediblehulk420]

I should have known we'd never get far. 😉

[@learningisfun2108]

Summer of 69: “🎶Jimmy quit and Jody got married, should’ve known we’d never get far🎶”

[@sicjes1]

I started up my own band last week after trying to get into different bands the past few months. I said screw it, I'm tired of applying for jobs, I'll start my own business and let the resumes come to me. Instant success and I get to pick and choose my band of misfits rather than trying to merge into some already preexisting social club full of arrogant pricks. Worked like a charm🤘🏻

[@derPetunientopf]

Good luck.

[@RobertShapiro_DC_CCSP]

That's what I'd probably do. That's what I had to do with my current business........so why not with a band, if I ever went that way 🤷‍♂

[@EricT43]

I would like to do that myself, except I don't want to have to deal with "managing" the band, i.e., getting gigs, scheduling rehearsals, all that stuff. Usually the founder of the band is going to be the one responsible for that stuff.

[@Cobra-ky9bt]

"Purple sparkle V" and "Sense of style" are two things I never, NEVER expected to hear in my life.

[@FrostyBob99]

I played in several metal bands for 3 decades. It was my skill level that got me into my first act. I had terrible stage presence. I'd move and be active but i wasn't actually engaging and entertaining. Over time i started playing less technically flashy and started concentrating on working the crowd. I realized that its not how badass i think i am on the fretboard but how much of a people business music really is. That change made me sought after by many bands. Take care of yourself. Workout. Don't eat like crap. Don't talk shit about other bands and musicians. I'm naturally competitive but the business is not a competition. If you do you will burn bridges and alienate half your following. Remember. You are a public figure so be courteous. Be gregarious and even boisterous but never be a douche. Be friendly and fun but don't get out of control. Its easy to go too far when you're in "character". Remember. All the worlds a stage.

[@rogiemac]

EVH

[@Plowguitarist]

Great advice 🤘😎

[@FrostyBob99]

@@rogiemac hell yeah

[@learningisfun2108]

Great comment!!

[@jazzcatjohn]

This explains Robert Trujillo getting the gig after partying all night before the audition with Lars and doing the audition with a massive hangover. Being cool to party with and performing well with a hangover was important to Metallica.

[@Atlas65]

"performing well with a hangover was important to Metallica". Yeah maybe that would had made sense in the era before. But Robert auditioned for Metallica when James just came out of a Rehab. I'm not really sure if the most important thing at that time was to get a bassplayer that could party hard.

[@2hi2dye]

​@@Atlas65True, that would maybe fly in the 80's when the musicians were still kids. But certainly not in a band of their caliber, no f'n way

[@2hi2dye]

Although this vid certainly confirmed my ADD, it was a cute story...

[@simpleanswer8954]

I always found his hiring humorous, because they recorded him meeting with the band. He showed up with no equipment, and they provided him with some. Ironic considering Dave Mustaine got the job with no try out just because he showed up with his own gear. It was also funny that Newsted replaced Trujillo with Ozzy. It was like baseball teams making a trade.

[@jp7963]

Nah... In the Some Kind Of Monster scene James, Lars and Kirk simply state they felt Rob was driving them rather than the other way round and that they admired he played just as hard with his fingers and he reminded them of playing with Cliff. That's why he got the gig!

[@monsterram6617]

If the band you're auditioning for cares more about looks, connections, and your daddy's money... you don't want to be in that band. Problem solved.

[@steves1015]

It depends though. Many many bands need competent but not necessarily out-of-this-world level of skill. So as long as a guitarist can achieve the level, or has the potential, then the other factors mentioned can really help a band get exposure, a bigger audience and more money. And lots of bands struggle for money and practise venues at the beginning. Do you really think that even someone like Van Halen would have been nearly as successful if he looked like a trogolodyte?

[@monsterram6617]

@@steves1015 You're right, it does depend. It depends on what that band thinks is important. And if looks, connections, and family wealth is priority over musical ability - then that tells you all you need to know about what those people value and the kind of BS you're going to be dealing with in the future with that group of individuals. Spoiler: it's not fun! Does all that other stuff help? Sure but it's not priority over musical ability unless you're putting together a "show band" that plays with backing tracks turned up louder than any instrument on stage. It's true: People can spend thousands on efforts to look and sound "better" (stage lights, laptops w/tracks, high end gear, etc), use family connections to land gigs that take the local musicians years to get into, and hide musical shortcomings behind a facade of smoke and mirrors. If that's your thing, cool but just realize that isn't a band; it's an act. Btw, I play professionally and I will tell you that looking like a troll doesn't stop people from having a career in music. There are countless not-good-looking people in this industry who are making a living. Good looks are always a plus, but not a deal breaker for a band serious about music or even for the majority of people in the crowd. Playing your instrument well, taking decent care of yourself, and being a team-player with a good attitude is much more important than looks, money, or connections. And that's because, at the end of the day, relying on looks, wealth, and connections will only get you so far without talent/skill that allows you to stand out from the rest. Unless of course, you're looking for an acting gig. Some people are.

[@fredjung]

And then when you refuse to form a network of musicians and refuse to improve your looks and still find no band would hire you, then what?

[@Sodoffshotgun]

Exactly it's about the sound first. Like how Whitesnake is basically hard blues rock with a keyboard instead of an organ. David Coverdale was in deep purple, and it shows.

[@cowl6867]

No worries, there are plenty of great cover bands out there

[@MF-hq7pv]

It don’t matter what you do as long as you look good doing it. - David Lee Roth

[@joshuasimpson2540]

Roth can sing though . And we all get older . To me .. music is a gift to be enjoyed . Even playing on ones own . To play with others is extra .. then you can't loose . Gigging is for fun too . If people enjoy it . Better . Money . Well its not a good career choice . But . These days.. no need for a deal just ... well thats another story . Online etc

[@Zamblinger]

This is a good lesson that applies to all careers or disciplines/hobbies. Sometimes the most talented never get noticed or catch a break, other times people may feel threatened. Makes you really wonder how many guitar geniuses there are that never got to make it due to politics or external factors beyond their control. it's a tragedy for the development of music, really.

[@TheArtofGuitar]

A freaking men!

[@Blueagle8u]

@@TheArtofGuitarLots of Musician drama out here on Long Island! As always, it’s about Connections!

[@Blueagle8u]

This is one of the Best Videos ever! Cruel Reality of the Business!

[@thediminished98]

I'm ugly but I go busking.

[@aieahi1]

Am convinced that creativity and ingenuity has been stifled by the growth of monopolistic corporations and the death of mom and pops Most executives are not very smart. A young whipper snapper would scare them and they wouldn’t hire them in order to protect their own livelihood in the corporate model.

[@erikrummel6277]

Man oh man what I would have given for 2 things when I was 20. 1- someone in the know, explaining this to me just like you did. 2- (and most importantly) the ability to really hear it and take it to heart.

[@jamesrae7246]

The moment he turned down the Eagles / ZZ Top band, I knew he was done like dinner

[@jamesnorton7601]

Don't have a dream to be a rock star. Love playing music even when it sucks.

[@alfgwahigain5544]

Amen!

[@Ripprock1]

Even you have to hear music that sucks. People listen to music you think sucks. And they like it. My motto is you should at least give a full listen sometimes. I have actually become a fan of some music that was considered music that sucked. By doing that I have also become a better musician.

[@brushstroke3733]

Sounds like this actually happened. Sorry for your loss Mike!

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Hey, just because I didn't get the SP gig.. haha.

[@ceebee491]

​@TheArtofGuitar did you actually audition? Can't tell if yr joking!

[@Sadlander2]

That part about telling the sound guy to turn his channel down, so that he could unplug his guitar felt a little too specific to be just a random, made up story... ;-) For what it's worth, personally, I think he would have been a better choice than the one they ended up with!

[@Djamieson713]

@@ceebee491I need to know as well

[@jeffreymontoya9933]

​​​@@TheArtofGuitar Hey Mike! It's me Jeffrey formerly of Subnormal. 😉 I was a finalist in their CYR cover contest and my cover of Anno Satana is still on their playlist. I didn't get a call 😢 My own fault for being an obscure video game composer and not putting myself more out there. Check out my cover. I rarely do covers but this is one turned out cool! kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5yshICcqbqbl8ksi=zaKP1LGmN8ZWGENW By the way we saw SP at a tiny venue in Iowa with Kiki and she absolutely crushed it. They played gossamar and it was incredible. Really happy for the current state of SP. 🤘 Forgot to mention I actually said to my friend at the time that I thought you would make a great addition to the band too!

[@recordman555]

I feel your pain. I'm 64 years old, and can still hit every note like Rob Halford. Is there a band that wants me as their front man? Nope.

[@AlcoholicAudioEngineer]

I'm 53. I'd join forces with ya.

[@joetroutt7425]

I hope that's not your eye in the PFP. That doesn't look like a 64 year old's eye. Believe me I know.

[@witnessingobscura952]

I'm 63 and I'll play rhythm guitar

[@fivedaysinjune]

Looks like the makings of Geriatric Priest. 😅

[@Plowguitarist]

I’m 58 and been playing since seeing Van Halen on Fair Warning tour. About 20lbs overweight but play very well. Same here.. nobody wants an old fat shredder in their band. 😂🤣

[@Rd61372]

OMG- I had this happen. I am pretty well known where I am from, however at one point I moved to another state and decided to audition for band. I play but don't sing. I nailed it as far as performance and they were very impressed. I was 90% sure I got it. I found out a couple days later they chose somebody else. They guy literally said "between us you were by far the best as far as your playing, but we really need a strong harmony/backup singer and this other guy has that ability. It was a powerful lesson. However it paid off- they liked my playing so much they actually started spreading my name around and got me hooked up with another band very quick. I still stay in touch with that band I auditioned for to this day (several years later) It prompted me to start expanding my skill set

[@renmusical]

This is the brutal reality of the industry folks. As much as I would love do this full time, I’ve realized that it’s not for everyone. However, I still play because I love the guitar and music. That’s all that matters to me regardless if I’m successful or not.

[@banejovanovic8936]

Its actually not for anyone. Except a few masochists.

[@warthogA10]

I walked away from the whole scene very young.. about 18yo because I knew I didn't want to travel around playing the same stuff over, and over, and over, and over.. and I would have filled the monotony with whatever I could get my hands on.. and become part of the statistics very early. So I chose self preservation

[@guitboxgeek]

Dude, this should be a mandatory video for any young players wanting to join a band. Good stuff!

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Well..pass it around then...hehe:)

[@guitboxgeek]

@@TheArtofGuitar I said "young" haha! The youngest I know these days are my teenage kids lol

[@TheArtofGuitar]

I can see many of all ages benefitting, but I may be biased. 🤣.

[@guitboxgeek]

@@TheArtofGuitar I was fortunate to not be too terribly out of style back in my day, but everything you said about needing to bring more than chops to the gig is spot on. I remember one audition where the band's pub-person spiked my long hair about 2 feet off my skull lol!

[@katherineb.9445]

Coming from a classical backround, I find this preferable to professional orchestra auditions, where the early rounds are done blind from behind a curtain. I hear stories of a position in a mid-level regional orchestra opening up then immediately getting 200+ applicants, most with graduate degrees in performance. Professors who I consider greater players than I'll ever be talk about losing count of how many auditions they took after around 50. Once you win a job, there's usually a probationary period, after which your peers vote on you before it becomes official. I've met so many people gunning for an orchestra job working themselves to the bone, usually to the point that they become synical about music, which makes me question if it's even worth it at that point. A system that takes being a solid player as a prerequisite, then evaluates you on your professionalism, your ability to make connections, and your ability to cultivate a personal brand, pushes you to take a more rounded approach that leaves you space to still enjoy playing music, as opposed to everyone practicing 8+ hours a day to be 1% better than the next guy just for a chance at a gig.

[@arazos9394]

Mike describing my last date was not what I expected

[@haruchai]

Check out the back story of The Warning, they started with the Rock Band game and are now one of the best rock bands out there. Not everyone will realise their dreams, not everyone will be happy, in love, successful, wealthy or live to an old age, its just how it is. As a society we keep telling the lie that you can have it all, a few can, most cannot.

[@mattdylan664]

Elton John didn't make the cut for King Crimson but went on to an amazing solo career, Les Claypool formed Primus after not getting the call back from Metallica, Slash would have never been in Guns N Roses had Poison not passed over him, Stephen Stills didn't make the cut auditioning for The Monkees , George Lynch got passed over by Ozzy , so if you dont get the call back don't despair you're in good company and fate may have something much bigger in store for you

[@charleswettish8701]

The manager could have softened the blow by simplifying the message. He could have said "yea, dude, you were absolutely the best player at the audition, hands down, but there's more to it than just technical ability and we went with someone who was a better fit, overall."

[@RogueReplicant]

Yeah, but I would want to know more than just an executive summary. I liked hearing about the female player's connections, Thor's charismatic onstage presence and cargo shorts' golf club / studio.

[@charleswettish8701]

@@RogueReplicant You're right, the details matter. He could have given the summary up front though and not get it pried out of him. But, also, he's a band agent, not a therapist, so I'm really not judging. It was a cool story, all around, yes.

[@fredjung]

When I get rejected for a job, I don’t care about feelings. I want to know why I didn’t get the job so so I know what I can improve. But most just don’t even bother yo contact me. Impressed the manager took the time to tell him in detail.

[@joetroutt7425]

Best reaction to a courtesy call is "thank you for the opportunity and if you ever need a player in the future keep me in mind." Believe me it actually works. Just be positive and continue to improve

[@PotrzebieConolly]

Yeah, but that wouldn't have helped the guy as much as learning where he was falling short.

[@SM-nz9ff]

Yea it's always been more than just playing ability. Just being able to play doesn't mean you can write a song at all much less write good songs that mean something to people. Then add in the look and demeanor/stage presence and such. A lot of the best song writers are indeed average players and session musicians can often play the best but either can't or don't write songs at all and/or don't want to even be up in front of people. Great break down

[@Zoltan1251]

Finally someone with proper comment. Even playing instrument is overrated. Michael Jackson was writing song by beatboxing into dictaphone and real musicians then played instruments to mimic the beatbox. Having creativity and having something to say beats being the best instrument player every, single, time!!!

[@chazzkramer7676]

I was recommended by another guitarist for an audition once. He couldn't do the gig due to previous commitments. It was an established "oldies" band. The drummer/music director loved me. When I showed up for the audition, I plugged in my Laney AOR 100 and Marshall 4x12 cabinet and the drummer and I jammed the audition material. I nailed it to a "T". When 1 of the singers (they had 5) came in, he looked at my very long hair and my half stack. After introducing himself, he thanked me for coming and apologized for wasting my time, his time, and the drummer's time. The drummer, as I was packing up, was asking the singer what was so wrong that he didn't give me a chance to play for him. I turned, looked at them both, thanked them for considering me, and said "No big deal, I'm used to it: then walked out. 2 years later, the blues band I was in opened for them. We got along great until my band proceeded to destroy the headliner and win their audience in the process. As we were loading out, I overheard the singer I'd met at the audition tell the drummer that he thought I "was too heavy metal" for them, based on 1st impression. They never let us open for them again, but we had them open a 12 city tour for us. Never judge a book by its cover, and NEVER think you're so great that you can't/won't be humbled!

[@JoaoGabrielJF724]

When I started learning guitar, my intentions were always to create my own songs. Covers are good to have fun, but I want to be myself and see my full capabilities

[@signposttosanity]

Funnily enough I find it easy to write my own songs than learn others…😂 I’ve got it all back to front…but they are different skills, technically I’m lacking but creativity is never a issue

[@Sadlander2]

Same here! Many years ago, I had my own songs and started to look for people to form a band. I met a drummer who was good but he wanted to play covers. I told him that I didn't mind playing covers but that I didn't want to just be a cover band and he said: "You know what? People don't care about you and your songs. People want to go out, hear songs they already know and have fun!". It's like you said. Covers are fun but personally, I write songs because I want to tell MY stories. By the way, I ended up finding another drummer.

[@facelessandnameless]

Same!

[@stevemuzak8526]

Playing covers is for learning only. After that you move on to your own stuff.

[@elosoguapo8137]

It wasn’t really my intention to write my own songs, but once I realized that I could, it became my only reason for playing.

[@ronj9448]

The dude in the story should be grateful for the feedback. Most people don't even bother.

[@caseysweat9449]

I feel like back in the 70s. You could pretty much look like whatever didn’t matter as long as the music was good but nowadays your look and general vibe is just as important as the music if not more in many cases.

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Amen!!

[@BigBri550]

It was always important. How people present themselves directly reflects their commitment level, imo.

[@travisspaulding2222]

Yeah, a lot of musicians had the perfect face for radio back in the 70s, lol. Then MTV came along and screwed it up, haha.

[@jezmez68]

I am not so sure about that. Have you seen photographs of actual bands back then. Maybe 80s metal bands. Hoo boy, I look at the photos of some of those early 80s metal bands and man, they looked dorky. The 90s weren't friends to anyone either. Think Anthrax wearing bermuda shorts.

[@flazjsg]

A lot of huge top 40s songs featured female vocalists that were average or in some cases below average in looks. Now the looks come first (especially for women) and the rest is all secondary.

[@stephenlindsay3792]

The biggest mistake was not sticking around to meet the others trying out and maybe exchange some numbers

[@hertor8803]

You really are a great storyteller. Enjoyed this very much. Of course the moral of this story is find a great songwriter and vocalist, start your own band, and then you can dress like Coldplay.

[@TheArtofGuitar]

I got the moves like Jagger and the threads of Coldplay. 🤣

[@aytviewer2421]

Holy cow. This advice crosses over into so many industries and career paths! KZbin can be a mystery--I have nary an idea why this showed up on my feed. I cannot sing, cannot dance, have no rhythm, and no way can I even pretend to play any instruments! But I loved listening to this story and that manager's explanations. Cheers!

[@maidenthe80sla]

When I lived in the LA area back in the 80s I played guitar for awhile and according to friends I was good. But never let it get to me. So when some would say to try out for some big band and said that I was not interested because the competition was tough. Also, knowing what rock bands wanted in the looks department I would not make the cut because I surely was not the pretty boy. Like you said, the caliber of player at that level were a dime a dozen. Then the hired gun and studio players are in an entirely different galaxy. Spoke to a professional bassist at that high level recently, had a good talk about the music scene, and the realities of it all. Knowing back then that it was not an easy life, I never did pursue it as a profession. Ended up working for the fire department which was my dream career.

[@mattdelany6799]

The mediocre Nashville “session” guys. They all sell gear to pay the bills. Tory Slusher humiliates them.

[@Bluepillphil-d1w]

Good choice

[@psychonaut689]

I heard that the Beatles got rid of Pete Best because he was too good looking. John and Paul wanted a chance with the girls too, so they hired Ringo!

[@rodneydelboy6910]

​@@psychonaut689 nah they got rid of him because he kinda sucked

[@wietzejohanneskrikke1910]

So the message is that if you're not rich, connected and/or physically gorgeous, you can kiss a career in music goodbye? Nice.

[@Cpt_Adama]

@wietzejohanneskrikke1910, Unless you can bring some guaranteed hit songs you wrote to the audition, pretty much. There always the exception but that was more in the early days, before MTV. Now a days if you don't look good on video your out.

[@mrsionsmith]

That’s not really what he said is it 😊

[@fredjung]

Then get connected with musicians and improve your looks and wardrobe. You know it’s about image and music. Or don’t bother with a career in music.

[@colinburroughs9871]

be really good and then that stuff doesn't matter.. it's a celing, not the floor

[@Skaarxiong1]

just wait till Woke gets a hold of the music industry. we've all seen what Woke have done to the movie industry and everything else Woke touch. hahahahaha.

[@leftyzappa]

“You grab your modeler” I threw up in my heart…where it counts.

[@510SPINESPLITTA8]

I started doing music professionally three years ago, and I made a lot of progress quickly because I knew people all my life who were industry professionals. Don’t get me wrong; I’m paying my dues, but being connected to the right people has helped me immensely.

[@TheBassPlayer100]

Been preaching this to younger musicians for decades: people listen with their eyes.

[@sinenkaari5477]

@@TheBassPlayer100 This is why i like to make music videos

[@edwardv4546]

I wish I could like this a million times. This is singlehandedly more important than actually being a good musician. You have to be ENTERTAINING. Visually appealing is a part of that. Good thing about that is most people can fake their appearance and energy.

[@ProjektBurn]

I was a sound engineer for the later half of the 00s and early 10s and kept preaching this to anyone who'd listen. Unfortunately, most kids wouldn't listen, even my own band, cuz they already knew everything. Nothing seemed to hold people back more than constant praise and excited shouts of amazement. When you think you're already awesome, you lose sight of what gets you to your goals.

[@theharvardyard2356]

this is why i'm not really interested in external success

[@LandonEaversMusic]

This is spot on. Live music is about connecting with THE AUDIENCE, not about impressing other musicians. This is why live performers of the highest level care far more about the total identity of a player- the feel, the vibe, the energy, the look, the personality- because THAT is what an audience connects with, not just the chops. Great chops are both the bare minimum nowadays. It's everything that comes after that matters most to an audience. There's nothing wrong with this. Live music is entertaining and inspiring people. I don't think I've EVER heard Billy Gibbons play a single fast 16th note run or blast of notes- in fact, the faster the song, the less notes he plays! On the otherhand, Eddie Van Halen could play 100x more notes sometimes- but both of them equally connect with their audience because of how strong their unique identity and personality shines through.

[@timothya2742]

Started a band. Left it because playing to me is a hobby. When things got serious. I knew it was time to go. I had a child to support and a full time well paying job. I still remember telling Herman the guitar player that was the first to join me, I was done. That was one of the worst feeling break-up experiences in my life. I was going to hold them back because I didn't share the dream. I love playing but already had a job. To this day I never want playing to become a Job. Just a hobby I freely share

[@filteredjc4653]

I was in a cover band that played parties, pubs and weddings, we did multiple gigs a week. It turned into a job and I ended up leaving. The reality is that most people in most places want to hear the same material and much as I love Folsom Prison Blues, if you play it too many times it does get old

[@zeusapollo8688]

The distinction between having fun and having a job is important.

[@ChrisM541]

As a guitarist I remember some years ago our bass player had long blonde hair, his girlfriend has long blonde hair, the drummer had a ponytail, the other guitarist and singer had Brian May hair. Me? short all over. We had a 'discussion' before the gig and for our Cowboys from Hell cover I was...persuaded to wear a long, blonde wig. F* thing turned all the way round mid-solo, couldn't see anything, damn wig somehow fell to the ground lol. We all had a laugh. Great band. I had many most excellent gigs with them for a number of years. Pro tip: if you're serious about your music, don't put image at the top.

[@jamiecoxe7327]

It never only been all about the music. Image, attitude, and connections is what separates the great bands from the famous bands. So many people think it all about the music. Music can you take you so far.

[@smitlag]

There is a fine line between impressing someone and annoying someone. It's cool to have awesome chops. But if the first thing you do every time you take your guitar out of its case and plug it in, is start shredding....it gets annoying as fuck! Especially when you get around people that do this stuff professionally. Learn that there is a time and place for that. There are way too many shredders out here today without being a musician that can read parts and be part of an ensemble. I know so many lead guitar players that skip learning the basic rhythm parts of a song to jump to the part where there is a lead. Don't be that guy.

[@thefuturist8864]

I remember a friend of mine started a band when we were in our late teens; there wasn't much of a music scene where we were so they didn't get far, but their bassist was *incredible*. They played two or three shows with him, and then found a replacement who wasn't nearly as good and I couldn't work out why, but when I asked he said that the original bassist was an awful person to be around. When I started a band myself about ten years later I found the same problem: I couldn't just find people who can play, but rather had to look for people who I could both work with and have fun with, along with trusting them with my vision for the band. What a lot of people don't grasp is that the audience only have to put up with a difficult band member for a short time, and they *always* see them at their creative best. Meanwhile, the rest of the band has to spend far more time with them, especially if they want to take the band seriously.

[@mattpunx]

at this point i just decided to keep playing and pulling off albums with my one man band solely because i enjoy it and it means something to me. If one day i have the luck to see my music out there being heard by a wide number of people, will feel realized with. If not, well, it won't change what comes out of me, i'll keep being a musician with a ton to say and create anyways.

[@JetLagRecords]

The-Art-of-Guitar, your content has a special place in my heart

[@jodlen49]

Great vid - In 1988, I was just fooling around, playing my guitar through an early roland amp, in my house. These two guys ringing the door bell for 10 minutes - asked me to sit in on a jam with their band - I did and I became the front man, because of my vocals. So go figure, you never know...

[@DirkRadloff]

Classical orchestras do blind auditions, so a pink violin does not matter

[@richardmetzler7909]

Then again, nobody goes to a symphonic concert for the lead violinist's good looks and stage presence.

[@asicdathens]

@@richardmetzler7909 Because people go for the music and not the looks. Besides, if you look like Quasimodo, they can hide you in the rear rows

[@MisterWade74]

@@richardmetzler7909? Really? Are you serious? Check out some of the marketing for classical musicians over the past 40 years. A good starting point would be NZSO. Hotties sell tickets.

[@2760ade]

@@asicdathens Not if you're actually the lead violinist! Suppose they could put an enormous music stand in front of you, or a bag over your head!😂

[@thinkingofvenice]

“She knows everybody…”

[@dankingjr.2088]

Been playing rock for at least part of my living for 40 years, and it's always been at least partly about visual. Kiss wasn't famous for being amazing musicians; they were famous for the spectacle. In the Hair Metal era, the better looking bands were more successful in general. We are a visual people.

[@ulfdanielsen6009]

As a Scandinavian,- who happens to play guitar,- all I can say is: Hell yeah! Bjørn

[@1965JB]

This is all completely spot on. I only figured all that stuff out after I quit playing bass. It took a while, but I realized that I never fit in with most musicians, I’m not a lot of fun on tour, stuck in a van for 18 hours with 3 people I’d never talk to outside of music, and I can’t wear the right clothes for the gig. And I can’t sing at all. I can’t believe I was actually a working musician for 20 years.

[@rassabossa4554]

Ha. The truth is decent bass players are hard to find. You want a job playing music? Learn the bass and leave the guitar to the guys in the unemployment line.

[@jerlewis4291]

When I was learning guitar my dad told me that the best thing I could do was to sit in with a couple people better than me. He told me then you are trying harder. He played a few instruments but was good on a clarinet. He told me that he would sit with guys in Harlem during the day and try and keep up with them.

[@danleveillee2202]

As a guy who spent many decades in the music industry, I found this video to be one of the best I’ve seen for upcoming musicians to understand. You basically described the difference between being a session player, and being an “entertainer”. For instance, I know vocalists and guitarists in Nashville that can absolutely wipe the floor with most of the players in the touring bands that you see these days. The thing is, some of them don’t have any interest in working with other people on a tour or being in the spotlight. They just wanna walk into the studio, put down their tracks and go home at the end of the night and get paid. And they do that exceedingly well, and don’t care if anybody knows who they are. Most of them are only known and respected by other musicians in fact, and that’s enough for them. But one of the things people sometimes forget when they say they want to be in the music business, is the last word of the phrase that they’ve just said. “Business”. When you are part of a live band that’s supposed to go out and entertain, you are a product, a commodity, not just a skill set. Great job getting that message across. I don’t think anybody could’ve done any better!

[@chevon5707]

I would add that often the better looking, more stylish, better connected person is often also just a better player than you as well (and this applies to most things)

[@reddyfreddy]

You're right on. NASHVILLE is full of great guitar players. THAT'S why most of them are guitar players, they are a dime a dozen. You need the look, the personality to get along, the ability to show up when called and you have to play better than 1/2 wat decent You nailed it. P.s. I give you Peter Kris, out of all the drummers, hired because he would wear the make up and he could play.

[@spurzo-thespiralspacewolf8916]

Old school here, having to figure songs out by ear, constantly rewinding the tapes to learn the riffs, we didn’t have the KZbin video cheat videos

[@Veaseify]

Mostly we didn't learn the songs properly though, nobody told us about open tunings back then...

[@komoru]

Half of the battle is looking the part. If watching American Idol has taught me nothing else, it's that the judges DO look for star quality. Talent gets your foot in the door, but having that star quality is what often gets you the gig.

[@allstopblue5717]

Yep. How you dress,hair style, etc is definitely a major part of gaining a following in music these days whether you like or not.

[@robertb67]

Looks will always matter for big time, live performing bands. It is what it is.

[@A.I.N.A.C..]

I busk , and i have a very sharp black and white look, my guitar is black,and strap, black and white, I also stand tall, slightly leaning away from the crowd,have lots of energy and great big smiles, i play quite basic chords with a more technical boom chicka strum. Its my look,,,,,,,,,and it goes down VERY WELL!!!!! i see buskers with zero colour coordination/ look (which is fine) but this leads to you looking invisible, especially if you are not interacting with the crown and just looking at the floor, i get away with just playing Am D C on some of my favourite tunes, most are not interested in how technical or not i am,in my opinion the visual the visual could be argued to be as important as the playing. You could be standing there absolutely slaying it clinically perfect,no emotion or interaction, no LOOK, your INVISIBLE in my opinion. I have also studied attraction and the phycology of it,and use that to my advantage too, A.I.N.A.C Attraction,isn't.A,Choice EBAN PAGAN

[@themobseat]

The music business is a popularity contest, not a talent show.

[@kagenotatsumaki]

Honestly, I wouldn't be mad about the girl or the dude who started singing, but to be told "Yeah you're playing was the best of the bunch and this dude fucked up so bad that the whole band started the whole song over, but he looks better so we went with him" I would NOT be professional about that one NGL lol

[@TheArtofGuitar]

I’d come back with nunchucks. 🤣

[@CottidaeSEA]

One thing to remember as a musician when playing for a band is that you're not there to outperform the others. You're there to make the band sound better. That means you need to leave room for them as well.

[@nrich5127]

Unless you are a super star willing to "shoot for the moon" and change the world. Many try and fail but the ones who make it change history.

[@sinenkaari5477]

People have social motives for doing stuff so it's sometimes really unfair how they will treat you. Looks and likeability acting like they want you to is more important than having the skill and getting the job done. In my city this local band i knew the guitarist from they paid 400€ for mastering their record with this well known mastering engineer that everyone here uses and thinks is the best. The record came out sounding harsh in the 3k 5k area with honky low mids in 200 to 450 hz area. I made a remaster in fl studio with the stock EQ of one track on the CD and send the wav file to the guitarist. He was like "What did you do to this, How it sounds so good?" And i was paid 0€ so it goes to show that mastering guy is only something couse he's got the social points. The problems on that record started in the mix. That mixer is also well known and appreciated here. I once worked with an singer who had a project she had recorded the backing track with that guy. She sends me the tracks and they all have lots of digital clipping! Sound was awful! And people think that engineer is great!

[@elosoguapo8137]

It’s all industries to some extent. The one that baffles me is songwriting. Why do these “artists” hire professional songwriters? Can they really not do it? Then you hear the song they purchased and it’s like…you hired someone to write this turd for you? I’ll write you a turd for half the price…but I don’t know anyone and nobody knows me, so that’s why they pay the “professional” to do it.

[@sinenkaari5477]

@@elosoguapo8137 My cousin is well known artist and since he got sober he has been hiring a songwriter. I'm not close to him but i tried to encourage him to start writing again. He's own stuff was better but the new stuff sells so he does not care

[@JimK03.]

I auditioned for a band and got the gig almost immediately. I asked afterwards why they picked me. I'm not a flashy player, just solid. They said 1) because they never had a guitarist set up as quick as I did. I had a 4x12 cab and a rack that included my tube amp, and a pedal board. Plugged in 3 or 4 cables, got my levels set...ready to go. 2) I played not a single note more than was what was required for the 4 songs they wanted me to play at the audition. Seriously, not one. 3) Once the 4 songs were over and I immediately broke down my rig and was gone as quickly as I had arrived. I learned a long time ago, bands hate the incessant noodling, and so do I. I'm here to play songs, not give a sweep picking demo. Also, being quick in, quick to be ready to go, and quick out shows you come prepared in all areas, not just knowing the songs and how to shred.

[@yakkattack]

Moral of the story is It’s not what you know it’s who

[@Metal_Mastery]

When your guitar skills are on point, but you realize you needed charisma DLC to unlock the full band experience. 🎸😅

[@SnerMerNer]

The dream is dead yall.

[@JBGoode-zx7pp]

Lenny Kravitz - Rock and Roll Is Dead (1995) Greed kills

[@somersetcace1]

To put it simply, no matter how good you are, you're not alone and there are other considerations besides your ability to play the instrument.

[@bbowjazz]

Some gig tales from a boomer 😮 Even in semi-pro situations and definitely in pro situations - do not noodle! I subbed with a large jazz ensemble a while back. It was basically old-school swing and some latin dance rhythm guitar playing from charts. One of the musicians busted on me little bit simply for warming up 10 minutes prior to the downbeat. Also, make sure that you have very solid time - way more important than flash.

[@NGKiernan]

Put things in perspective. Paul McCartney wrote "I'll follow the sun" and "Michele' at fourteen.

[@zohawn4398]

thats when you start your own band

[@bradchoi9679]

The path to success is rarely a straight line. Sometimes you gotta zig, sometimes you gotta zag, sometimes you have to take one step back before you take two steps forward. Don't give up!

[@Sadlander2]

1:53 Always the bass players... But hey, where there's smoke, there's fire, right? 😉

[@ShadowV]

Music is just a small part of it. The real role of a 'Rockstar' is to live the life other people wish they could but can't, so they live it through you. That means you have to look how they wished they looked, act how they wish they could acts and play as they wish they could play.

[@BigBri550]

I always tried to turn the tables on the audience: "You came here to see us? We came here to see YOU! Do your thang, peoples"😊

[@Zen-anarchy]

Here’s what bands want, someone that looks cool, someone that can play good, and someone that’s not a pain in the butt.

[@tulio.guitar]

You don't know how much i needed this, thank you so much

[@rachelar]

Nah, be the best you can be. Play solo, secure alone. Its also easier to get gigs in a way because promoters only need to pay expenses for one. I toured all over Asia as a one person show plus visuals (i do that too). Think Robert Fripp

[@IanCthrwd]

Many channels here to learn. Use them. I grew up in the mid 70s and was gifted an acoustic guitar at 7 that didn’t last a month. Neighbor bully got a hold of it and it was selflessly sacrificed. Zero confidence and parents didn’t care. 19 and buying my first electric…….strat…..lots of bells and whistles but crappy sounds coming out of it from cheap pickups and humbuckers….tried off and on learning on my own. MTV was peaking and lots of wishing of being on that someday. Reality was rent, utilities and other grown up priorities….not much downtime to learn your dreams….bought a few TAB books I’ve read though and tried to learn…again, time to go to work. Years go by and that guitar is still in its softcase having not seen the light of day. 57 now with so much regret having very little time to learn my favorite songs and to embrace that kind of passion. If this is your passion at a young age to play….DO it. Don’t wait until next time. Practice, practice, practice. The world out there is a BIG LIE serving for the Man who doesn’t know you exist.

[@rogiemac]

Yup. Do it while youre young. Now having hit my 60's, one of my only regrets in life was not keeping up playing guitar from my teen years. I let 20-30 yrs go by before picking it back up again. Even a bazillionaire cant buy back time.

[@beenaplumber8379]

40 years ago the head of CBS Records in Nashville (a heavy metal town at the time) said the 4 things you need to make it are money, looks, connections, and (optional) talent. He said that to the lead singer of my band who was interning for him at the time, near the dawning of the hair band days. This still lines up with that.

[@outernationalstudios]

This was really good- so relatable. I loved it

[@ImYourOverlord]

I was the original "permanent" bass guitarist for an originals Rock band, and thought everything was great after our first several gigs and demo we recorded in a professional studio (anyone familiar with Robert Berry?). One day, they called a band meeting, and fired me. I asked if there was a problem with my equipment, and they said no, but wouldn't give me a reason. Soon after, I saw that they were playing with a bassist whose ability and sound quality were very lacking, but he had a boisterous stage personality...oh, and leather pants 🤣 After several months of exile, the band contacted me to say the guy who had my spot moved overseas for work, and they needed to fill the void for a couple upcoming gigs. I agreed, insisting on being paid in advance. Only $ I ever made from the band! They then asked me back, and I accepted, provided I could bring in my own drummer, as the original drummer was leaving to join a Country band, of all things. I got my spot back, with my favorite drummer and great friend. This all went down during the 1990s, and to this day, I never got the straight dope on why I was replaced.

[@Turdswamp1]

From reading everything in the comments and from this video, it seems that The members of the band can also be exploitative like a badly run business.

[@lilbitofOverdrive]

I got booted from a band in high school cause some other guitarist had a PA and his dad was a photographer for the local paper

[@RogueReplicant]

Was he/she a better player?

[@Future_Doggo]

This is why Jimi Hendrix was so successful. He wasn't just a godly guitar player, he was an incredible showman too. He would jump around the stage, play guitar behind his head, and generally be just as entertaining to watch as he was to listen too.

[@ckelly5141]

10:21 As the saying goes: you learn more from losing than winning.

[@epicadventureturtle1363]

It's like that with everything. It's not the most skilled programmer that gets the nice manager position, it's the one who goes out eating with the boss every weekend or who's tall and has a deep voice. Being "skilled" has massive diminishing returns.

[@teresathomley3703]

I honestly thought the hot girl would've gotten in. The girl is usually the star. 💫

[@Atlas65]

Yeah not really. Not if the guys heroes are maybe Pantera and Metallica. Then they would probably prefer a guy

[@gohjohan]

Sort of reminds me of what I heard over a year ago on a KZbin channel. I think it was Casino Guitars. I might be wrong. Female bass player is very mediocre but got the part because she sleeps with everyone in the band. Sadly that's the other way to get "connected"

[@chronicon5616]

Remember in the 80s and 90s when your musical ability was everything, and how hard it was to get there because there were no amp modelers or KZbin tutorials on every song, theory or trick ever?

[@johnphillips4033]

You’re a great story teller

[@achilleasanastasiou4597]

That's why I stopped getting involved with bands, switched to One Man Band and all my problems were solved

[@HannahCope88]

Love this!! These situations are so multi faceted. Havent been in one myself yet, but I've observed and learned so far from an outside perspective. You need to be and do more than just know how to play your instrument, it's not always what you know it's also who you know. (A little sad but true). You need to be the whole package, not just one ingredient in the recipe, and yet have some room left for self improvement in all of the areas mentioned, you need to be able to grow, both as a person and as a musician.

[@CompleteProducer84]

If you’re referring to the live performance setting (on a stage), then yes agreed, these things are absolutely critical. The beauty is that we live in a time when you CAN be shy and be heard. There are lone bedroom guitarists with zero flare/moxy who make incredibly unique music, and get millions of subscribers and views. Amazing music will find a way to win at the end of the day. As long as it’s great, fresh and unique, and not just a direct copy of someone else