THE WAR OF THE LAST ALLIANCE! | Book vs Movie Differences | Middle Earth Lore

[@Carpenk]

An extra extended edition please! In fact can we just film everything he’s written?

[@beirnefarm8988]

Agree, Agree, Agree

[@tominiowa2513]

The philology papers published in academic journals would be poor film subjects.

[@nickd3157]

A question i have often pondered, why dont they just hand the actors copies of the books, screw scripts and screenplay i want to watch the events, as is.

[@trekstarsam2494]

Legal matters with the estates. Christopher Toklien, when he was alive, held the copyrights on all of his father's previously unpublished works, as he finished and edited and published them himself, after his father's death. He was not a fan of Peter Jackson's work at all, and I have a feeling he will be rolling over in his grave if he could see what Amazon's going to do with it. Since his death, however, I think his kids and grandkids don't care as much, and, as per usual, a lot more money minded, so the "estate" has been a little more loose handed with Tolkien's works, if the price is right, I'm sure they received more than a hefty sum from Besos and the boys at Amazon to use some of the works. However, I don't think they have yet sold ALL the rights from ALL the books to Amazon, so there are certain stories in the lore that Amazon doesn't have the right to touch, so hence the need for all the new characters and filler materials that will have to be added. Of course as fans, we can scream, "why don't they make movies out of all of them?" not understanding the legalities behind doing so.

[@seanpoore2428]

Well we've had one yes, but what about SECOND Extended Edition??

[@TheBrokenSword]

One day maybe... 🤞

[@dylanrinker6831]

Good. Luck.

[@nickd3157]

Lmao

[@bigchrisp6173]

Great idea!

[@yashganatra7874]

You meant to say this the way Pippin talks about second breakfast haan.

[@briangarrow448]

I would like to see EVERYTHING that was filmed.

[@stonedcaterpillar3342]

And then film some more

[@dontcare5998]

@@stonedcaterpillar3342 You seen the hobbit…..

[@hopegorman2784]

An extra extended edition please! I wish we could have seen Gil Galad. He was such an awesome Elf.

[@tannonheld5386]

He makes a split second appearance in the prologue battle. Drives his spear into the ground

[@Celtic1020]

If you’ve seen the commentaries for the extended cuts you know that Peter Jackson joked about a 25th anniversary edition that has ALL the deleted scenes.

[@mszalans4817]

Nerd of the Rings mentions a "Mithril Edition" of the movies and I think that would be nice. According to changes: Sauron one-shooting many soldiers at once is epic and really adds to his might while wearing The One Ring. Even though in the books this might was not neccessary in physical strength. The duel with Elendil and Gil-Galad could have been done better. We have to remember about limited screen time, so I think that simply showing combatants before and after the clash would fit best. Then Isildur would just cut the Ring out of Sauron's corpses finger. I see first shot with Gil-Galand, Elendil and Sauron captured while striking each other with mighty blows. Sauron with one hand extended in direction of Gil-Galad. Immidiately after that, second shot where all 3 corpses hit the ground. Gil-Galads corpse severely burned. Both shots employing epic light work and music. Simple, short and telling everything. Kinda similar to a comic book.

[@ajctropicals1704]

Extra extended edition would be great, Gil Galad getting an on screen death as you mentioned and I really want to see Eowyn fighting the Uruk-Hai in the glittering caves in a film as well!

[@DOSHIELD]

Extra Extended Edition as a series please! Man, the more of your videos I see the more stoked I am for the film you guys are putting together!

[@robertpizor577]

Best change: streamlining the battles Worst change: Elendil being taken out like a noob/Gil-galad's being reduced to an extra

[@brooksboy78]

Nah, the streamlining might be a necessity for a film, but it's way more realistic and detailed in the book.

[@PalmelaHanderson]

I don't mind it. You have to assume the audience of the movie has no idea who Gil-Galad, Anarion, Elendil, etc. are, and none of them are important to the rest of story. Having an epic battle between Sauron, Gil-Galad, Elendil in the beginning would look cool, but it wouldn't serve the story.

[@adrianciobanu5856]

@@PalmelaHanderson this combat will pruf that sauron is shit not powerfull inaf hi was faked by Dog by Finrod by Gilgalad and Elendil hi can do a shit to stop orcs killing ici aver for a shit armoure of frodo

[@davidkosiba624]

@@adrianciobanu5856 Learn english please

[@mag_lore]

I would love an extended extended edition!! I so wish we got to see more of Gil Galad! I think that's the worst change, the fact that he was mostly left off and that Isildur was the one to kill Sauron, although I do understand the latter change, I wish they had keep it the same as the book

[@zeuskhan91]

These always come out around 11pm in Australia and I end up binge watching.. its now 5am

[@TheBrokenSword]

The joys of time differences! It goes up 1pm here 😂

[@oscardinogetti3824]

Extra extended edition for sure lol. It would've been amazing to see Elendil and Gil-Galad fight Sauron. But I get that PJ was trying to cover a quick history lesson, not get us attached to 2 characters who weren't even part of his main movie. Plus as the writers abd director say in the extras, just because they didn't show a 7 year siege doesn't mean it didn't happen. We just get the summed up version. However I believe the reason Sauron attempted to grab Isildur is because in their pre visual storyboards they had Sauron straight up kill Gil-Galad by grabbing his face and burning him to death. Sauron wanted to do that again, but, you know, chop chop. I could be remembering it wrong though, but that's why he does that. Would've made more sense to show that, but face melting is a pretty dark death and PJ didn't want a rated R film.

[@sweeperboy]

Yes, you make good points. Peter Jackson was also making films for a general audience, not specifically just for LOTR book fans. Too many characters and names perhaps would have been confusing to people who didn't know the books so well, so reducing Gil-Galad and Elendil's roles was probably done for that reason. And definitely, although there are decapitations in the LOTR films, face-melting is worse and he wanted to keep his films viewable by most (PG rated)

[@tominiowa2513]

@@sweeperboy PJ should have found a way to include all 140 (or so - depends on which if any monsters are included) characters.

[@hewe4625]

An extra extended edition please. The best adaptation of the war was to shorten the time frame since it's just a prologue"summary" anyway. The worst adaptation would be the character changes. That's what matters most in the story. Especially with Elendil's descendant having such a pivotal role to play.

[@tannonheld5386]

Ive discovered there is a split second of Gilgalad driving his spear into an orc in the prologue of lotr. Just before elendil raises his sword. Seems like he was filmed but cut out.

[@trekstarsam2494]

I'm glad you mentioned Oropher and Thranduil. I knew Oropher died early on, but I had no idea that he was so brash to go ahead of Gil-Galad's orders. Was there emnity between them, I wonder? I know the woodland elves were considered "lesser" elves, "less wise and more dangerous", but I'm wondering what compelled Oropher to make such a brash move.

[@joels5150]

Extra Extended Edition Please and Thank You. Biggest mistake of the changes IMO was having Sauron reaching for Isildur when the ring was cut off. WHY would Sauron have exposed himself like that when he was already in position to win?!? He could have just smashed him with the mace in his other hand. The books having Sauron already fallen when Isildur took it due to the heroic sacrifices of Gil’Galad and Elendiel is a much more reasonable explanation of the situation.

[@Whowascooley]

Loving the comparison vids! How about Frodo's journey from the Shire to Bree next? Tons and tons of differnces there! Cheers!

[@lukehutchinson499]

3:50 Gil Galad rocking the Stormcloak unform

[@JAlexandrG]

This content is first-rate, as per usual. The creators are gentlemen and scholars.

[@luckystorm6986]

I m sad they dont showed us the battle between dwarf and easterling , during the minas tirith battle.

[@TheBrokenSword]

We would love to see that too!

[@adrianciobanu5856]

Batles of Glofindel with Gondabad and Dol Guldur orcs same

[@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615]

"He's only gots four fingers on his black hand...but they are enough precious.." KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK MELLON!

[@Barracuda24]

An extra extended edition!!! The more the better

[@Lykhaios]

An exta extended cut please! Definitely agree a bit more exposure to the heroes of old would be great!

[@FantasySci5]

Definitely want an extended extended edition, where is my Boromir getting a gift from Galadriel and Eowyn and Faramir's wedding?! lol

[@cortlandberlin4528]

Extra extravagant edition of everything written!!

[@mariajesuslemarodriguez1702]

Extra extended edition? Yeeeees please!!

[@RichardT2112]

An extra extra extended extra edition please and pretty please!

[@draganvibe7583]

Extra extended edition for sure!!

[@elizabethanne8729]

Second breakfast AND second extended edition please.

[@TheLordcyrus]

Extra super extended edition plus more please.

[@ThorAnderson]

An extra extended edition please!!

[@cushman72393]

The reason sauron came out so quickly in the films wasn't due to time constraints they were trying to depict him as a very proud person who wouldn't stand for an army at his doorstep

[@newtonhislop6299]

Yes an extended version again please

[@Frogger]

Each and any additional second to the extended cut of LotR would be a blessing! :D

[@maxiboehm6121]

An extra extended extended edition please!

[@jordanslagle1090]

I really want to see an extra extended edition!

[@Destroyer94100]

I'm happy with how they did it in the movies, it set up Sauron as more of a badass. Since he just came out and started decimating the alliance and when it looked like all hope was lost the lucky swing of Isildur to cut off the ring and defeat Sauron is way more epic than just him cutting it off when Sauron is just lying there. Also I do agree Gil Galad definitely should've been included in a meaningful way in the prologue, I feel like even with a few extra seconds added to the prologue they could've introduced him somehow since he was such an important Elf to the Lore. Aside from that its probably still my favorite prologue to any movie ever anyway!

[@wobblertv8083]

One day I hope to see Fingolfin bang on doors of Angband. .And see the greatest fight in fantasy literature 👍

[@daniellamunoz8894]

An extra extended edition please!!!!

[@juckoosaurus]

That duel with sauron sounds so damn badass

[@trpetty6887]

Extra extended film editions Please!!

[@jeffs2935]

Extra extended edition would be nice.

[@SuspensefulFilms]

An Extra Extended Edition Please!

[@jessewilliams9195]

Extra extended edition. Absolutely.

[@romanoschi1]

there is a scene with Gil-Galad in the prologue of the movie. Are like 2-3 secs cut with an elf and a spir before the voice of Galadriel came with "victory was near...

[@solowali10]

AN EXTRA EXTENDED EDITION PLEASE!!

[@benjamin_w.]

Extra extended please, 9 hours of the LOTR trilogy isn’t enough

[@holyarchangelmichael]

Also, yes, another extended version of the Fellowship of the Ring would be good.

[@McGrizzle75]

an extra extended version please!!

[@Dailos2394]

Extra extended edition please!

[@leryrosales1732]

Extra extended edition please!!!

[@t.tshankle427]

An extra extended edition please! Check out Nerd of the Ring’s petition for his Mithril Edition as well!

[@christianvoorhees69]

I watched the 8hr directors cut of The Hateful 8, my body is ready!

[@glennfyfe1357]

Always want more of Gil Galad.

[@michaelk8532]

Extra Extended Edition please!

[@stephensekela9610]

One thing/change you forgot to mention: The movie version of the battle/war leaves out any mention or imagery of the DWARVES participating in the battle! This makes me mad as a fan of the Dwarves :)

[@j.hennen1029]

An extra extra extended addition

[@vintheosi4523]

an extra extra extra edition pleeeaaasee

[@tcscorner3028]

Extra extended version please!!!

[@monitor-mindtheover-void6712]

I think entire The Hobbit movies deserves such kind of video, I'm done reading half the book, and its sooo much better than the clusterf*** that is the hobbit trilogy.

[@jprocha1570]

An extra extended edition please.

[@Celtic1020]

Five more years. Release the 25th anniversary edition!

[@christopherkent4350]

If we did get the Extra Special Director’s Cut Final Edition, a la Ridley Scott, it should include the following characters/storylines: Tom Bombadil (obviously), the Barrow Wights (ditto), and Ghân-buri-Ghân (betcha didn’t think of him!).

[@Whowascooley]

Bombadil!

[@murat2644]

An extra extended edition please

[@catherinetrinh3260]

An extra extended version please.

[@daveschmidt9230]

an extra extra extra extended directors cut of all of Lord Of the Rings Please

[@MarleyFett]

I think Gil Gallad got dissed by PJ and Glorfindel, several of my fav characters.

[@olakeyser167]

I would like to see an extra extended movie please

[@Mediumdoo]

My working escape! Ty

[@magatetus]

An Extra Extended Edition Please.

[@drankin_barry6005]

Extend that juicy extension P.J.

[@crabbuckets7506]

Extra extended please 👌

[@alexcavoli6191]

They better have the culmination of the Amazon show be the Seige of Baradur and the defeat of Sauron. Shown as the book describes, just a badass fight with Gil-Galad and Elendil versus Sauron. GODS THAT WOULD BE AMAZING!!!!!!!!

[@rostislavmesko9820]

Just opened youtube and see a new video, nice!

[@TheBrokenSword]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@LeeGall333]

Would love to see an “all the way extended” version of lord of the rings! Lol! give us all the extensions of the extendedness

[@BellaCahill]

I think they definitely played Sauron‘a power up and the last alliance’s power down.

[@bigdoober9412]

An Extra extended edition please

[@yinglauyang7544]

extra extended edition please

[@annaroselarsen4218]

Whoo awesome video and have a good day!

[@TheBrokenSword]

Thanks! You too!

[@davect01]

Compressing events happened a lot in the films. The years Frodo spent in the Shire with the Ring, the months it took Frodo to leave the Shire, the weeks spent in Lorian, and this war. And to be fair, the movies are long enough, Peter Jackson had to do some compression and simplifying. And while a major and important war, that is not the focus of the film.

[@adrianciobanu5856]

Sample do 6 films put Two osghiliath batles more with boromir and faramir and haw faramir distroed all briges on anduine this must bi cenged not that shit with deads o this with gilgalad and elendil shit deaths,put two isen batles of Rohan aragorn hanting golum batle of Lorien Batle of Mirkood Batle of Erebor Batle of Dol Guldur real batle of Black Gates then came rest of Rohan army that consist in 6000 ,bicose Theoden saed hi aspected to have not 6000 but duble , and same of his marchals saed they will came my king and Theoden saed we dont have time to stay than wey will arive plus Batle of Palargir Batle of Dol Amroth with Umbarians ,Batle of umbar batle of Khad Batle of Rhun distroing esterling capital

[@InsideTheProduct]

Not having Gil-Galad was really sad, plus the way that Elendil fell, so yes, the book version is better. Although I understand they tried to simplified, but the first time I watched the movie when Isildur cuts the finger my reaction was 🤦

[@beryonderb8218]

I want to see a movie of that battle

[@cjansenATL]

I wish I'd seen Glorfindel on the Road instead of Arwen, but I understand the need to compress the story and provide an opportunity to know her character.

[@tominiowa2513]

Or to satisfy the production committee who wanted less of a "sausage party".

[@rockytalkndawoods3057]

I'd like an all cuts edition, leaving nothing out!

[@BellaCahill]

I definitely missed Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire :(

[@andreihotya911]

Please make a video on the full story of Morgoth

[@kratal122]

I think it’s to difficult to say which my favorite and least favorite changes are given how so many of the changes were to accommodate the medium of film. I do feel that the narration in the movies could’ve established that the siege took several years, and could’ve done a better job showing how Sauron was defeated instead of where it’s just Isildur blindly lashing out and getting a lucky swing that somehow cuts through plate and mail and bone right at the base of the knuckles. But while the story certainly misses something for it, the pruning and condensation of characters as well as leaving out the prolonged battle with Sauron were necessary for the sake of production and watchability. The same goes with the exposition being changed from a history lesson taught at the Council of Elrond to a prologue exposition dump at the start of the movie. It would’ve greatly interfered with the movie’s pacing if the history of the Last Alliance had been delivered at the same time it was in the books, since it’d take us away from the characters and story we’d already been following for a few hours to tell us the end of a different (albeit, not unrelated) story that had more or less resolved thousand of years prior. Such story telling decisions work in literature, yes, but including all of it in film would’ve been a nonstarter, considering one of the major criticisms of the films is how long they are. When you remember how much more could’ve been included from the books (Barrow Wights, Scouring of the Shire), you start to realize how difficult the decision to cut and simplify certain events must’ve been for production. For example, the movies never had the slower pacing of early Game of Thrones, so it wasn’t jarring to see in one scene, the Men of the West were preparing to march for the Black Gate, and by the next scene with them, they’d arrived, but later seasons of Game of Thrones were run through the wringer for having people and entire armies teleporting across continents, because GoT had established its pacing early on as slower and realistic, but then abandoned that deliberate pacing to rush the plot along. And there’re differences in pacing a TV show compared to a movie too, since a TV show can have more time to work with across multiple episodes, also allowing a slower pace so long as you have enough episodes with enough happening in any given one to keep the audience interested. Of course, that’s IF the series gets the budget and number of episodes it needs, and sometimes shows just don’t get renewed, in spite of quality, leaving things either rushed or unresolved.

[@jeffreyburley4033]

To create a movie as it is told in the books would be a huge undertaking, to say the least, and will probably never happen, ever. With that said, it is so important to not limit yourself to just the movies. So much has either been changed or left out only because of the immensity of the tale in written form. Therefore in order to live alongside this wondrous cast of characters and events, you should read all the books in their entirety. That includes the Silmarillion and the Hobbit and all should be read in the order the events occured, with the Silmarillion first, then the Hobbit and finish out with the trilogy. I do suggest reading this epic masterpiece at least once a year and continuing doing so until you feel you have become part of the story itself. Like all epic writings, one reading will never do.

[@kotarojujo2737]

gil galad only appears in film in very briefly scene, when he stab some orc with his spear

[@markstott6689]

E-E-E Edition. Named elsewhere as the Mithril Edition. Doing it for the 25th Anniversary is our best hope.

[@champagnecamping65]

After this I imagine the fight with Sauron being like Ironman, Thor and Captain America facing Thanos in Endgame

[@allenporter6586]

An extended edition would be nice, but I believe it would still skip the Old Forest, Tom Bombadil, and the Barrow Downs 😞and use Arwen instead of Glorfindel at the Fords of Bruinen 👎. The worst from the action point of view was the lack of the epic duel between Gil-Galad, Elendil and Sauron. From a story point of view it was the lack of explanation that Isildur kept the ring as "payment" from Sauron for the loss of his father and brother. The movie kind of paints Isildur as misdirected as Boromir, when if fact he wasn't. Actually by the time of the ambush at the Gladden Fields he had already began to realize that Elrond and Cirdan were right and that he should have destroyed the ring, but by now it had become "precious" to him.

[@sevenpointfive5450]

Lets get an extended extended edition of TLOR

[@istari0]

Best change: cutting down on the length of the battle. It was a prologue after all. Worst change: Not showing Elendil and Gil_Galad together taking down Sauron. I would love to have seen that.

[@davidkosiba624]

*Sauron , Elendil and Gil-Galad took down each other

[@istari0]

@@davidkosiba624 Yes but my point was that the movie had Isildur taking down Sauron while Elendil and Gil-galad were scarcely shown at all and not even identified.

[@BlackWaterGaming1]

Honestly, now having read the lost tales, the silmarillion The Hobbit the Lord of the rings. I really wish that they could have just started in chronological order. I know it wouldn't have been as big as since they started out with the Lord of the rings, but oh my God it would have been epic

[@BrianMarrino236]

Please make an Extra Extended Edition please

[@waragainstavg]

The books are the history...the movie prologue is the legend...

[@DJGuatemala83]

Yeah the dwarves weren't there at all in the movie😭💔

[@roanldrondon1066]

Please expand on event

[@ciaranrocks9787]

The movie version was phenomenal, however, I have to say that they did Elendil dirty, and even more so where Gil-Galad is concerned; the two of them literally threw down Sauron (who was in possession of his Ring and therefore at the height of his power) through sheer strength and skill. I know that it's a movie adaptation and certain changes necessarily have to be made to make it all a bit easier to follow, but the way they portrayed Sauron's defeat compared to the book version never really sat well with me. That said, the films will still always be my favourite movies of all time.