The War of the Last Alliance: Season 5 - Part 1 | On Adapting a Second Age TV Show

[@tolkienuntangled]

So...if you're super familiar with the first video in this series, you may reach a point in this video where you raise an eyebrow. I claim that in the first video I mentioned an elf called Galadhorn, but I didn't. Honestly, that first video wasn't my best, so, in the next month or so, I'll be uploading a new season 1 video that gives greater details on the beginning of this imagined story. And in that video, I'll explain where Galadhorn (and a few other things) came from.

[@AshGreen359]

That's cool but I'm more interested in your first age videos

[@mikegubnizki574]

I love these videos but would still really be interested if you did a breakdown of the actual rings of power show comparing it to Tolkien and breaking down the major differences. I know you've mentioned in a previous video that you couldn't even watch the show, but it would be fascinating to hear what you have to say about the show overall with all its flaws and failures.

[@AshGreen359]

@@mikegubnizki574 Naw, there are plenty of videos tearing that show apart. I wish he would continue the 1st age. Rings of Power really derailed this channel

[@mrs.manrique7411]

It’s hard to adapt Tolkien the way we’d personally like, with all the details and intricacies! So it makes sense that there’s some more things to work over. :))

[@csehszlovakze]

I do hope you'll finish this video series first!

[@RavenBricks]

This would have been the greatest tv-show to ever exist. Such a shame it will not happen unless anyone can convince Amazon to put this guy in charge!

[@davin1287]

Please god no

[@MalunoMcSketch]

@@davin1287 this is quite better than the Bezos does Stories show

[@davin1287]

@@MalunoMcSketchAmazons The Wheel of Time is possibly the worst show ever made, it's better than this amateur bull shit.

[@MalunoMcSketch]

@@davin1287 must be hard for you writing Amazon's scripts huh?

[@davin1287]

@@MalunoMcSketch Do you eat chalk?

[@jharmo2]

So I went through a binge of these videos today while I was working. I listened to them in the background while I was filing paperwork. I will say this. The biggest difference between your script and the Amazon script is that I see a genuine love and respect for the work of Tolkien. You're not changing his work just to suit your own personal needs. You work around the established lore and only add things when necessary. That in my opinion is way more respect to Tolkien than Amazon ever gave. I'd rather listen to your KZbin videos then watch ROP any day of the week. You sir have my respect.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks very much!

[@philipmarsh2172]

Honestly, this video is the audio-visual arts event of the year for me.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks! Much appreciated.

[@meleardil]

@@tolkienuntangled Appreciated? Foolish man. :) You gave us an audio book to listen to about the Second Age. Tragically I don't think that ANY film adaptation will reach this level of storytelling EVER again. That industry long expelled the last of the talents from their cult, the remainders are ghouls and carrion eaters dismembering and devouring the last remaining great imaginary worlds still more or less intact. The Amazon Abomination will be forgotten faster than it was made. Your alternative story will live very long and will give joy and entertainment to the lovers of the lore. I have a humble suggestion. Once you finish your story, you shall take the audio from it, and EDIT it as a real audio book. The story only. You have plenty material to work on. You shall patch up with some extra audio material the holes left by the cut out explanations, self arguments and references to movie rights. The results would be EPIC, and I would PAY high for it, as I am sure many of the listeners of your stories would also.

[@kingklank6732]

Avitar 2 is gonna cripple you.

[@starflameburnsbright]

Agreed! If there is a way to do that, i will buy it

[@missiejoy]

Every time you voice changes from “story-telling” mode to “this is where I’m going to end the video” mode, I’m like, “NOOOOO!” Lol. I could listen all day! Thank you!

[@evelynrosewindsor]

The moment you hinted about the entwives, my heart started to beat thunderously. I let out a cheer when you first mentioned the entwives. I got a bit frustrated because we had to move on from their story because I wanted more. Then a wave of grief came flooding when the entwives were burnt alive by Sauron. You are a masterful story teller.

[@Nightguardian]

How much Tolkien's writings have motivated so many of us to contemplate the nature of good and evil, the danger of pride, the value of sincerity, humility, and charity. What lessons we need in our own (the fourth?) age.

[@stenol85]

I can only hope that one day someone who has seen these videos becomes a producer/director or some position of power to make what would be an amazing adaptation of this story. Excellent work once again 👏🏻

[@fohat50]

its painful to see how a TV show could have gone. it could and apparently should have been so very good. anyhow, we do get your awesome story telling. once again, thank you dude.

[@keyboarddancers7751]

Outstanding doesn't even begin to describe the quality of this series. Absolutely outstanding.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@EdoDoe613]

Absolutely epic! You’ve created a rich, complex and compelling story that honors the Professor’s mythology. This is the show we should’ve gotten…

[@deanmartin5478]

I totally agree.

[@jamesbarker2567]

Totally Agree

[@eraserhead666]

I really like the Ulfang/Bor type of situation with the Haradrim leaders. Also I imagine Elendil and Durins introduction to each other could be centered around the fact that Elendil wields Narsil. Elendil could pay a compliment to the Dwarves that only the greatest smiths of their race could forge such a weapon, and Durin claiming that he deems Elendil great enough of a man that he is deserving of the blade. Easy way to establish respect between the two kings. Awesome stuff dude, and I bet it didn't cost you 60 million dollars an episode. Stay groovy.

[@leetaylor123]

This is great work dude. Most entertaining adaptation / augmentation of the legendarium I’ve seen other than Peter Jackson’s first film. Best rendering of this story outside of the silmarillion itself. I don’t know what compelled you to make this, but I really appreciate that you did.

[@mrs.manrique7411]

Dissatisfaction with Rings of Power prompted him to do this. ;) ❤

[@DrGlynnWix]

@@mrs.manrique7411 before he even saw it! He found out they were going to compress the timeline, and he immediately knew that was a terrible decision because the long timeline should be an asset, not a hindrance to get rid of. I really appreciate that he went about making his own story, rather than editing or improving what they did.

[@amer6706]

Cîrdan and Floí (excuse the horrendous spelling) are just hanging out to enjoy the presence of each other’s magnificent beards.

[@shannonmcglumphy5967]

I absolutely love the idea for Floi and of Elrond, and Floi bonding over their mythic fathers! It's such a great way to add personal color to the tale while staying within its spirit.

[@GreatGreebo]

I’m rewatching this entire series…once again, *BRAVO* 👏👏👏

[@Maryland2]

2:09:13 I found this channel because of these “What I would do videos” and I can say it is bittersweet. Your stories and vision for these five seasons truly transmits your love of Tolkien and his world. I’ve been enthralled by each video (which the 2 hours always feel like only 30 minutes has gone by 😂). Your description of this battle and the arrival of the high kings was superb, I could practically hear and envision it!! I really hope some day we might be able to see something come close to what you’ve told throughout these videos. I’d argue they almost perfectly capture Tolkien’s themes and are far better than anything Amazon could put out on their own. Anyways sorry for the short essay. Thank you and I wish you well on all the projects in store for the future!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks very much!

[@haleyschreiter9746]

I've got the day off, it's bitterly cold outside, and I can't think of a better way to pass the time than by cuddling up with a blanket, a hot beverage, and both parts of your epic Finale! Reminds me of the PJ movies coming out right before Christmas 😊

[@stellarlare2031]

Thanks so much for your magnificent efforts in bringing Tolkien's Legendarium to life!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thank you. Very much appreciated!

[@Dahnyule]

I had to apologize for the jump-scare I gave my wife when I shouted in elation after receiving the alert from KZbin that this video had been posted...I've been waiting with bated breath for this continuation after binging all the other hypothetical adaptation videos and once again I am blown away!! There is not enough adulatory vocabulary in the English language to convey my appreciation and respect for your work in these videos and your channel as a whole. Wonderfully conceived and executed; deserving of all praise imaginable!

[@MourningCoffeeMusic]

I want an adaptation of THIS version of the Rings of Power so bad. Your opening alone to this season is iconic.

[@joakim_g]

Fantastic how you wove the story together! My favorite in this episode is probably how you make the Ring of Barahir so meaningful, yet for different purposes, to Elendil, Elrond and Galadriel when they meet.

[@timitnyre5831]

This is fantastic! Can't wait for the final part! I'd love to eventually get your take on adapting The Silmarillion.

[@justincrane8825]

I was just trying to remember if Dave had ever shared his thoughts on how to adapt The Silmarillion. For some reason I was thinking he had, but I can find no evidence of it and it would probably make sense to finish his breakdown of the book first anyway.

[@Loe_Jist]

That'd be awesome but a MAMMOTH project. It'd have to be like the MCU and Disney+ Marvel shows. A bunch of miniseries and movies tied together. The fall of Melkor, Feanor, his sons, the Silmarils, Beren & Luthien, the children of Hurin, the rise of men, the rise of dwarves, Fingolfin, Earendil & Elwing, Elrond & Elros, Galadriel, Gondolin, the battles, etc.

[@justincrane8825]

@@Loe_Jist the words Disney, Marvel, and MCU have no place anywhere near any discussion of Tolkien. 😉 My feeling is that it shouldn’t (and probably won’t) ever be done for real, but my imaginary version is a film trilogy of the three great tales, with most of the other relevant information given in the prologues.

[@timitnyre5831]

@Justin Crane I've given it a lot of thought and I feel like a series starting with the awakening of the Elves and culminating in the Dagor Aglareb and the start of the Siege of Angband followed by a string of movies about the Great Tales and culminating in a Voyage of Earendil tale would be the way to go. The series, since it follows Elven characters wouldn't have too much turnover in the casts, while switching to movies once Men arrive on the scene would accommodate the greater turnover in casts. I'm not sure how to handle the Dagor Braggolach and the Nirnaeth Arnoediad though. Movies? Mini series?

[@justincrane8825]

@@timitnyre5831 I like that approach, but I guess my issue with adapting the book is that much of it is drawn in such broad strokes that it would require a lot of invention of scenes and dialogue to place the characters in more of a direct context than a historical one, and that doesn’t totally sit well with me. Of course one could say the same for the Second Age stories we’re commenting on, so I guess it all just comes down to how much you want to see those details filled out by someone other than Tolkien. In a perfect world it could all work together as an epic and beautiful complementary multimedia saga, but in the real world I no longer have faith in any studio to ever produce anything good, so I guess we may as well let our imaginations flourish under the ideal circumstances detached from economic and creative realities, since it’s unlikely to ever come to fruition anyway.

[@lenofandango7186]

Top tier storytelling! Thank you for all your hard work. You are appreciated.

[@A76noname]

"For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, 'It might have been.'"

[@jameshitt3263]

That is the truth. This show would have been legendary.

[@kenparsons7686]

Well THIS was worth the wait! Drawing out instead of imposing upon… that’s the secret to your successful adaptation of the SA. Really enjoying this, and your research and preparation is clear. Thank you, RD!

[@sarahgould5435]

Beautiful! 🤗 My soul is healed. Is it strange that the dwarves actually got the lion's share of my attention throughout this whole adaptation process? They were the ones even a lot of critics of TROP disliked least, but they were the ones whose treatment most had me tearing my hair out, from the earliest promos to the last credits of episode 8. I have really enjoyed hearing your treatment of them, even when they aren't your focus. Theirs was the Rings of Power story I was most looking forward to seeing, even if they are technically supporting cast.

[@GreyPilgrim_Mithrandir]

Amazing work. Very well done and presented so professionally. Epic. Several more superlatives. This is the best KZbin hole I've fallen into. I only went for a quick look to see who was who and where they fitted into the Tolkien world from the Amazon series (I liked it, even though they did take a few liberties, shortcuts and more than a little artistic licence) and landed on your channel. I landed on my feet - your knowledge and passion is immense. Keep up the good work.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks very much! I'm really glad you enjoyed the video.

[@EltaninMalfoy]

Haven't finished even a quarter, but what an astonishing work!!! My outmost respect, Dave!

[@zedicus11]

Amazing, you are a very talented person. It would be great to see this on the big screen, Amazon really needs to give you a ring. (Pun intended)

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@AshGreen359]

I've only discovered this channel recently and I've rated through all your playlists and have been looking for more . Glad to see you're back

[@Shirohige4yonko]

The fascinating thing about the war of the last alliance is that if you have only watch the LOTR movies then you think about this war as a war in which elves and men (dwarves werent mentioned in the intro) allied themselves out of necessity but if you listen to all the facts given in all of tolkiens worls regarding the second age you find that the last alliance has very deep roots and meaning. This is a war in which descendants of all the major players in the 1st age come into play and "renew" past oaths such as the oath of ever lasting friendship between Finrod and the race of men also the dunedain are descendants of the men who fought alongside the valaar and eldar in the war of wrath but the most wholesome connection is the fact that the ring of barahir has come into play in all 3 ages of arda. Man i tell you, working and going to the gym has become my favorite times of the day because i can listen to these videos and feel the hype😂.

[@TrueBronzo]

It's easy to reflect upon a series once all has been said and done, and pick it apart with criticism. It's another thing entirely, to get ahead of it and produce a story bearing in mind the constraints that production houses use as an excuse for not being able to deliver what could've been. What Dave has done, is quite literally hand the series the world needs to the producers, so masterfully. Without criticism, without dividing the fandom, without nitpicking or leaving a trace of negativity towards anyone, be it fans or film makers. I applaud you Rainbow Dave. You've gone from being my favorite Tolkienian KZbin Channel to being my favourite KZbin Channel. Prof. Tolkien certainly would be proud of you for dawning his colours. Thank you for honouring his legacy. It is the good Sam spoke of, and it is worth fighting for.

[@MichaelMedici61W2]

HOW is this channel/video just popping up on my suggestion feed with all the LOTR and other fantasy channels and videos I watch?!? Great, now I have to binge watch this guys videos as well as others…. And…..go!

[@masiebrink4561]

This adaption is incredibly well done... Listening to each video is like watching a full-length movie in my mind. I would pay so much money to make this show happen. Can we please make this happen?

[@dubiousjester475]

I’ve been waiting for this and my lord it didn’t disappoint. Well done my friend eagerly awaiting the next part

[@lordforages8319]

25:00 the fact you showed more diversity and representation than Amazon could ever done

[@larsreuter1596]

Hi Dave, I just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your work. You have singlehandedly reignated my passion for Tolkiens Legendarium with this series specifically, but also with all your other content. Keep Up the good work

[@astridchladek1927]

Dave! Thank you for another evening of pure joy 🤩 ! I remember reading The Lord of the rings for the first time a looooong time ago (actually more than 30 years ago already😉) and being comforted by the sheer sight of the pages going on and on…. Knowing I could indulge, could let myself fall into this wonderful world and read for days and days on end and there would still be more to read and discover. Finding a new video by the one and only Rainbow Dave and en plus it being more than 2hrs long reminds me of that feeling I had more than 30 years ago. How lovely. In Austria (where I live and come from) we say that if someone has a hiccup, it means, someone else is thinking of them. So Dave, if you have a hiccup these days, it’s me thinking of you and thanking you for all your effort and the wonderful journeys you let us take with you with every video you gift to the community. Have a lovely time and a wonderful Christmas 🎄 ❤

[@sdagoth3037]

I would love to see the War of the Last Alliance done right on the big screen, sadly it will probably not happen in my lifetime. But I'm very grateful we have your videos!

[@jennatomlin1273]

Beautifully told. I am greatly enjoying this epic Second Age adaptation, and really looking forward to the rest of season five. Thank you, again, for all of this. It is a gift.

[@timtas1968]

If I had a billion lying around, I'd spend it on bringing this to TV, exactly as you've told it.

[@mumbo-jumbo7917]

So good! Perfect. Tolkien would approve. Wish you were a showrunner.

[@someoneelse1904]

Such amazing work, Dave, I absolutely love this series. The care and dedication you’ve put into this is incredible.

[@vc1396]

YESSSSSSSS FINALLLYYYYYYY!!! Love your work, laddy

[@vamsiampolu8438]

You made me tear up when you mentioned the ring of barahir and it’s significance to Galadriel. Also the ent wives. Brilliant work man

[@falka6751]

As i say every video, why amazon didnt hire you as a writer is beyond me. This series is billion dollar worthy. 10/10

[@justinah7400]

Unfortunately they dont want to tell Tolkien's story. They want to stand atop Tolkien's legacy to push their own messages. Not only that but they hire complete losers as show runners, writers and "Tolkien expert" consultants. Something fishy is going on in Holkywood for them not to take advantage of the financial opportunity of making a faithful adaptation of Tolkien's work and every other popular franchise reboot they have tanked lately

[@kimberleywarren8679]

Because he is a man...didn't Amazon fire all of the male writers. Amazon is not interested in quality, just a social statement.

[@falka6751]

@@justinah7400 true ;-;

[@olafgurke4699]

Honestly, get this man in contact with Peter Jackson. They would be the Last Alliance to make the most epic TV show!

[@mlebrooks]

Early holiday gift. 🎁Thank you so much for sharing your passion with all of us.

[@KatarzynaMatylla]

Eonwe (with a blur filter over his nametag): "You can be Mair... oh, wait. We don't have rights to that name. You can be not-Sauron." :D But more seriously, I love how you made this conversation without saying "Mairon". Your idea for the series is great.

[@pipeline789]

Didn't you upload it a few hours ago already? Idc, I'm sick and this brightens my day. Much love❤️

[@tolkienuntangled]

Yeah I did, but there was a problem with the audio so I decided to upload it again. Hope you're feeling better.

[@Harpyr1031]

An absolutely amazing video. It definitely was worth the wait. Thank you for making these and all your videos. Keep up the wonderful work and I’m looking forward to part 2.

[@magnuslekander3151]

Thank you sooo much TU! 🙏This is truly an amazing adaptation of Tolkiens work and such excellent storytelling! Thanks again and I will be the first to watch Part 2 :)!

[@MrKurtank]

Brother, I don't know what you do in real life but you make this wonderful fantasy as real as I want it to be. Thank you.

[@MicahSJ]

You have no idea how excited I was to see this! Thank you for all your work and passion that is poured into this series and Tolkien Untangled!

[@Mabon-sz9nz]

OMG This video was well worth the wait!!

[@justinah7400]

If Jeff Bezos wants to save ROP he should hire 🌈 Dave as a writer or at least as a consultant. Great job Dave!

[@delichonnl7744]

Great story line and wonderfully told. Thanks!

[@HJR98]

I think an animated series would be much better suited for adapting the Silmarillion, similar to Vinland Saga or Castlevania. Don't have to worry about the casting being screwed up, and the overall aesthetic would be easier to capture. You can create the perfect visual design for each character and find the perfect voice actor. The fight scenes would be better. There's just so much more potential with an animated series.

[@sauromatae9728]

Animation is always superior

[@jaytee1086]

You do the imaginarium no shame. Much more do you do than those of profit. Such a considered approach is much appreciated. Stay your brave heart and carry-on.

[@tylerbarrett6652]

Though you take a lot of license here - very creative - I like your idea of a tribe of Bears and Men. Long ago, when I learned that Elwing had 2 brothers who were "lost" in the downfall of Doriath, I theorized that perhaps they had been taken in by Bears and became the forBears of the Beornings. It seemed natural to think that since Elwing was granted power to change her form to that of a great Swan, it didn't seem impossible for her brothers to become bears - the blood of the Maier still running so strong in them. Now I know it was supposedly Ulmo who had and used that power... but I think it is just as likely that they maintained that Maian power and just needed to be taught or prompted to use it in some way. Taken in by bears and then mating with human bear friends, their offspring would inherit mortality as the twins might have died from injury protecting their tribe. Since Elwing married Elendil - the half-elven - their offspring were eventually given the choice. So I absolutely LOVE your idea for a bear clan. I think you went off base with the palantiri in your last episode, as I don't think Sauron had one to use until they sacked Minas Ithil. He had far sight... as did many of the elves, even Elrond, so they could have simply tapped into that or sent messages through the beasts. I wouldn't get into the palantiri until they were aligned in middle earth. Cirdan doing this seems strange... but Galadriel could have. Tokein even said that the only equal to Feanor was perhaps Galadriel (so much of what she had been doing should revolve around her practicing her craft). Cirdan specialiazed in ship building... and not so much stuff like the palantiri. Anyway, I'm LOVING this so far. I agree with one of the comments I read that someone should give you a billion dollars and tell you to get started :)

[@caladen182]

Wow. So much greatness. When I listen to these I really catch a little of the spirit of Tolkien. The themes are so true to the Legendarium, the characters that are supposed to be epic and likeable live up to their reputations, and the stakes are gripping. I especially appreciated the highlighting of parallels, which is one of my favorite things about the Legendarium. Isildur echoing his ancestor's relationship to Elrond, Galadriel and Gil-galad reembodying their earlier actions, etc. I really liked how the brown lands that were the entwives' gardens mirror Anfauglith. I hadn't made that connection before. Absolutely worth the wait! Thanks

[@Lothiril]

I think what you did with this series is amazing. It's truly what we should have gotten from Amazon. You describe this series you've created so very well, the images that come up in my mind make me regret that we'll never truly see it on screen. Huge thanks on giving an example of how this story can be told and still integrate what Tolkien actually wrote. While considering what Amazon could have done differently, I also thought that there's a good point in the 3rd Age they could have used. The Fall of Anor and its surrounding stories in Gondor and Lóthlorien would have made for a great story to adapt as well. But probably not by Amazon...

[@mottwoman6775]

I have to say, the Entwives kind of ripped my heart out a bit. I have only just found this and now have shared it with others. This is beautiful. Thank you for this. I didn’t make it very far in the Amazon blight…I’ve binge listened to you.

[@kesh_r]

Can you do a series to finish the first age? It ended abruptly and I want to know how it ends!! Including the fall of Morgoth

[@tolkienuntangled]

I'll get back to it before too long

[@kesh_r]

Thank you so much! I absolutely loved that series. Honestly before your channel I thought Tolkien was just LotR

[@karola4550]

What a feat of storytelling this series has become... Just wow. Also, Dave, you terrible tease, I NEED to hear how it ends now, don't leave me hanging 😅

[@andrewverrett568]

The war of the last alliance on screen would have been so great. If amazon would have been as loyal as peter jackson was to the source material it would have been the best series ever made. Imagine jacksons lotr as a series but about the second age.

[@roymills9334]

I want to see this story! Well done.

[@lucasjames7524]

Hi Rainbow Dave! I love all of your videos. For old times' sake, I was binging your series on the books vs. movies for LotR. I absolutely love it! I know you haven't forgotten about it, and that you've got many irons in the fire, but I just wanted to say that I'm so excited to see the day when that series resumes! 😀❤

[@chaoticgood3935]

Absolute gold! Or mithril, rather. I could listen to you narrate the entirety of the legendarium, stopping at well-spaced out and specific parts to include your unique and engaging commentary on Tolkien’s themes and story connections. Hours and hours and hours of road-trip gold! Were I much wealthier than I am I would petition the Tolkien estate for the opportunity to commission you to this endeavor!

[@mike-mz6yz]

wow this whole story is so impressive....I haven't finished the rings of power and dont plan too but I have written it off as unavoidable when writing a second age story without the rights to most of the second age writings. Then I listen to your take on what could have been! Such an amazing story! I hope somehow someone from amazon comes across this and realizes how much they screwed up....

[@AshGreen359]

It's fan fiction

[@beaverones41]

Thank you for this, truly amazing work.

[@mariacvale]

OMG. I was getting teary-eyed just listening to so many wonderful scenes you depicted, Dave. The battle ending had my eyes all watery. You're one master story teller. Thank you! Wow! Rushing to the finale video. Thank you for this wonderful treat. 👌

[@e.m.p.3394]

I am so excited for the next part. I hope you cover the 1st and 3rd age too

[@TW4165]

Wonderful, vivid, and educational to the story storytelling. All the seemingly small details quite often are the connective tissue to a story. You did a great job.

[@AdrianCruz_]

2 hours? Definitely gonna be a banger

[@tessareea]

I gotta come up with *more* cultural costumes??? ♡♡ Who's ready for a fan series?

[@JerrBear1974]

Rainbow Dave, you are GROOVY!!!😁

[@AlejandroBetancourtweb]

Such an EPIC tale, such a powerful narrative and astounding cliffhanger! Though I've read the children of Hurin, I'm anxiously waiting for each video of your series untangling Tolkien. Thank you again and keep up that Grooviness Rainbow Dave!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@karlarden6260]

This cold opening is utterly brilliant. Your best material, Rainbow Dave. Very groovy.

[@skateboardist1686]

The non-English parts should be no more than an intro. You gotta love how you portray Sauron.❤ when someone describes Lotr they always mention Sauron. He makes the story he is what we want to see super charged with creative energy. The way you are going is like your saying “ yes, I’m sorry but it’s time to see what Sauron is doing” as if the audience is literally scared to see these scenes with Sauron. Yes, I can so visualize what you are saying especially the scary parts.

[@alexandrapantazi9802]

Love your work!! This is an amazing journey,thank you!

[@jakobplobeck8006]

Ok so. This is a humble plea for one of your next video series. An adaptaion of the first age. It doesent have to be from the begining of time, but rather that of the silmarils. My setup would be: First season: starts when melkor is released from His 3 ages of inprissonment, and covers the whole slaying of the trees and flight of the noldor, up until feanors death, and then the first season ends with fingolfins host comming over the grinding ice and the race of men sturing under the first sun rise. The second season covers events up to the battle of sudden flame and fingolfin going off. The season would focus on meathros and fingon, fingolfin and also cover turgon and finarfin and their hidden city building. There is ofcourse so much to cover in thise 400 years. Then comes the first stand alone mini series, beren and luthien, ofcourse describing beren and luthien. Season three is the union of meathros and should focus heavily on him and fingon and then dive deep into the despair that takes him after they loose the battle of unnumbered tears, and the oath, that would later lead such a valiant character to commit some heavy kinslaying. Also deal with hurin and huor. The next stand alone mini show woould be of turin turambar and the fall of nargothrond or the children of hurin. The next would be of tuor and the fall of gondolin, getting in that obligatory high king of the noldor death The final an fourth season would either be thingol and the silmaril and him getting shanked if that issent fit into another season. Or go straight to dior and the silmaril and the sons of feanor attack on menegroth and the heavens, ending with earendil going to valinor and then we follow our remaing big characters as they escape the war of wrath unto middle earth, and meadhros and maglors fates and then thats it. Perfect tie in to the second age show. (There would ofc also be a very charming and depressing storyline of meadhros and maglor trying to care for elrond and elros.) And trying to do the war of warth sounds like a horrible cigi ide, so stay grounded and with our characters. When people talk about adapting the first age the most common idé is 1. Animated to depict all the crazy stuff 2. Oneoff episodes going over ex beren and luthienand other major stories inside the legendarium and not having a naritive but instead a collection of stories, which I think would greatly deminsih the absoult brethtaking beauty of the naretive and how complete and deep the silmarillion is. There are about 100 characters and they all have compleate arcs and they are all beautiful and heartbreaking. Ofcourse adapting beren and luthien without the wider backround on the war of the jewels and the sons of feanor and the oath would just be an L. This also operates of the asumption that you have an amazon style budget and all the rights (dream world) The first scen of the show could be a shot of the two trees and then it slowly zooms out into a room where feanor is gazing at them through a window (hehe heavy symbolism) while he is standing portrait with his father and half brothers (him on the right and his brothers on the left) for some painting. And then you go from there. I dont think you should try and start from the begining. 1. Ainurlindone would be real challanging to depict (especially in live action) 2. It is such a gain for a story when there is an air of mistery for the veiwer. You dont need to explain everything, instead the imagination does wonders. And the greater loore surounding it will ofc often be reffernced and explained in diolog and by compitent writers. Comming to the big time jumps. 1. They are imortal elves for the most part, they will look the same. 2. When melkor is released at the end of the first episode, all the major players are born and grown up, its like 500 years since the birth of galadriel and fingolfins youngest, so we are all good. The stroy would still span quite some time, but as you said in your first episode of this video series and as you yourself demonstrated with thise videos. If you just have a writer that is compitent and understands tolkien and the asignment, the vast timespan is not a problem. In my opinion the 1 age is tolkiens peak, god damn its good. And with someone as good and invested as you, a faithful adaptaion could be great. Anyway, this was all a bit of a tangent, what i really want to know is how you would adapt it. Pleace aquihest to my request. I know a thought out version from you would be great and would satiate my imagionation for years. Apolegies for the bad spelling this is not my first languige and im drunk at an early christmas cceleration, I just saw the video dropped and had to dropp my hearts deepest desire early so that you would hopefully see it. You and girl next gondor are by far the best youtubers ... on youtube. Stay winning.

[@tolkienuntangled]

This is an awesome comment! Hope you enjoyed your Christmas celebration!

[@jakobplobeck8006]

@@tolkienuntangled thank you oh holder of the flame inperidheble. ... Does that mean you would consider doing a first age adaptation in future?

[@JackChurchill101]

I think it's a solid outline. I always imagined the first age show beginning like this: An epic prologue but told by a mother to her young son, as a story... So far in the depths of time it would already be myth to elves. The song of the Valar and the discord of Melkor, the forming of the world and the breaking of the lamps, the retreat of the Valar and the riding of Orome to find the elves and their migration to Valinor. And the imprisoning of Melkor. The child we learn is Feanor, and his saddened mother teaches him about the treachery of Melkor, and the pride of his father's House. After the title credits roll, we see an adult Feanor returning across the high seas after years of travel around Arda. Upon his return, he hears from his son Maedros of the trial of Melkor, who may be forgiven by the Valar and set free. The first season involves the political corruption of Melkor, the death of Finwe, the oath of Feanor and yes, finishing with the death of Feanor at the hands of the balrogs, knowing secretly that they will Never win their war by force, and realising in anguish his mistake. Too late, however, the host of Fingolfin arrive across the grinding ice, vowing for revenge. Season two, in my view, would concern the seven sons of Feanor, and the politics of the other Noldor and Thingol/Melian. Season 2 ends with the battle of sudden flame and the fall of Fingolfin in his duel with Morgoth. Season 3 would concern the stories of men, and the sons of Fingolfin and Finarfin. And can end with Beren and Luthien's story (several episodes). Season four can include then the kin slayings and the fall of Doriath, of Gondolin, and Nargothrond, - with Earandil searching for Valinor, and the Elwin with the Silmaril hunted to the cliffs where she throws herself to the sea and is resurrected. Two episodes for the host of the Valar and the war of Wrath. With the last episode covering the final kin slaying and the fate of the last two of Feanor's sons. It's possible. It's doable. And however it is cut for episodic television, it could be so grand and epic.

[@jakobplobeck8006]

@@JackChurchill101 a few things, we seem to have simular idees. 1. Feanors mother dies giving birth to him. 2. There was no travel on the high seas of arda for the noldor. Rather he would walk aman with his family. But thats not inportant im sure you just added some dramtic flair. You also seemd ti have left out the nirneath arnoediad in between season 3 and four. (But again you said thatt you could elaborate more, so thats probebly what you mean.) I guess the part i dont like is that its too short:) we have all this material, 4 seasons seems to little. (Fully aware that mine too was 4 seasons, but with three independat mini series for the stories of men released in between the seasons. Of this just sounded like pointless nittpkcking to you im sorry. But i really would love talking öore about it, you get so many specific sences in your head and how you would like to see them. Like for a example. I would have the first episdoe of the second season start just with a high up view over a big plane with some faint hills on the horizon. It lingers on this and we hear faint breathing. Then it cuts and the story begins, the next episode would start the exakt same way, but the breathing voice would would quitly humm a faint song in its broken indistinguishable voice. And then finaly at the end of the second episode fingon would go on his rescue mission and when he is singing defiently by thangordrim he would be answerd by that same voice and fingon would eventually reach some vantuge point were he could see maedhros dangeling from high up the mountain. Just some random shit you cant stop thinking about

[@hopeg.p7707]

Thx a lot..👌specially for long time fun &ifo

[@miacrowell1472]

Really grateful for your work here. So palatable so artistic. Well done

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@pja82]

Thank you so much for all your hard work and dedication! Can't wait to watch the conclusion!

[@MyMonique28]

@1:48 man he had me sobbing, his explanation is just beautiful. Man you are a gifted story teller

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@chiad25]

The way you make this story come alive is just amazing! Thank you so much!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@Goofananda]

Hi David, just want to add my two cents’ worth which amounts to basically a massive THANK YOU for doing this! 🙏 I have enjoyed & now enjoy again for the umpteenth time this series you have masterfully crafted. (I have also delved deep into many of your other Tolkien musings). Of course you’d accept no credit but defer & bow to the late great Master J.R.R.T., however your own scholarly skills in navigating his complex lore & crafting routes through are exceptional. Honestly, your storytelling of a possible Rings Of Power series creates images in my brain and makes synapses fire to such an extent that it all adds up to a much richer and more satisfying take-away than I get from the current Amazon offerings. I don’t wish to destroy them, there is indeed much to enjoy, the sets, costumes, music, effects, general mood are in places magnificent, but by the same token much feels out of place & the general bulldozing of canon to make way for cheap solutions, zeitgeist tropes & eye-candy I find very disappointing. Given the depth, subtlety & mastery of the source material I cannot quite fathom why such deviations & perversions have happened, but hey… J.R.R. would be honoured to have you proffer such an adaptation. (I’m left wondering why you weren’t consulted in the first instance?) Whatever, thank you again & wishing you well. ☀🌊🌲✨💫

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thank you very much for your really lovely words!

[@christopherfelipe60]

Thank you I wish you were in the writers room ….🧙‍♂️🧝🏻‍♂️🧙‍♂️🧝🏻‍♂️🧙‍♂️

[@terrylayman1650]

I agree with many of the comments. It is sad to see how such compelling story lines could be woven, but probably won't even be attempted.

[@JackChurchill101]

Fan fiction doesn't have to be bad. To this day I think about the imagined conversation you mentioned, between Elrond and Elros on his aged deathbed, and I just love it so much. The candle light flickers into view, as an ancient man lies dying in bed. "Have you answered my summons? Have you returned to me?" "I have returned to you, dear brother" a youthful elf answers, as he slowly sits and takes the man's hand. "I am old, and my time has come to leave this world", says Elros. "You have achieved much in these past years, dear brother. Your people are strong and your lands will endure", replies Elrond softly, with tears in his eyes. ... As Elros looks to the window he asks "Does our father still guard the world against the enemy, brother, my eyes grow dim in the night" "Yes", says Elrond, looking to the window. "Be comforted dear brother. His light shines above us tonight and The Enemy remains banished." "That is good", says Elros, "but it is the enemy within that I fear. The remnants of evil that remain and can still corrupt the hearts of men. Promise me brother that you will ever watch my children, for as long as the world remains, that you will guide them and teach them in my absence." "I swear it", Elrond says. "I will ever watch over your children, and guard them against the evil. Now go in peace." And Elros closes his eyes, and breathes no more. Galadriel appears in the shot beside Elrond to comfort him in his loss, saying "come, little one, we have much to do..." Start Galadriel's narrative prologue... And roll title screen.

[@victorianguyen6620]

Dear Dave. I hear ur rolling 'R's. Your hard work at doing them has paid off. Thank you for doing this video and the others! Staying groovy!

[@cavalierlady1033]

ThIs story of Middle Earth and the characters you add and the stories you weave are so very enjoyable! I've always enjoyed watching your videos because your voice is filled with such passion and reverance for the works of Tolkien. So many other vids just read from a script with a nearly monotone voice. It's very apparent how much your videos mean to you and how much to wish to entertain your audience. I've only seen a few snippets of RoP which make me glad I don't have Prime. I would MUCH rather watch your series as a live action series! Having only read the first four books and watched the movies, I am learning so much about the whole history of Middle Earth! Thank you so much for your channel!🤩

[@tolkienuntangled]

I’m really glad you enjoy the channel!

[@ThorAnderson]

If they could get hugo weaving to do elros and then de-age him to play elrond that would be so cool

Oh, this is amazing! It was well worth the waiting! Thank you, Dave!

[@stellarlare2031]

Oh, Lord. My heart slowly crumbled to dust while watching the Show that Must Not Be Named. But this..! RainbowDave, THIS has almost completely restored it. THIS is the series as it could have been. I'm completely ok with original characters and storylines - movies, tv series and books are all very different media requiring their own pacing, but your ideas shown here are much more in line with Tolkien's style and philosophy. I understand; we're all Tolkien fans, and while many of us would love nothing more than watching a 50+ hour long, accurate to the scene (nay, to the word!) version of the show (hell, many of us would watch it in real-time! "What's happening now?" "Sam and Frodo are asleep, along the pass. They've been asleep for... 4 hours, 27 minutes, and 14 seconds! Shhhh!") ... ehh, I feel it's unlikely to happen with the Silmarillion or any Second Age storylines. So, thank you SO MUCH for bringing these ideas to life.

[@gregoryscadden9857]

This is everything I could have wanted. Dear Iluvitar, the unbreakable, the unchanged, the wreaker of Numenor, this is what was meant to be shown. I'll watch this a thousand times before I revisit the spiteful hate watch of that other product. This is simply awesome. And as gratefully as I possibly can. Thank you, so very much. It takes a lot to get my sub, and I have no regrets.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks very much!

[@colindunnigan8621]

A Red Hawk, huh? I imagine Duke Leto would be pleased.

[@MarleyFett]

had to rewatch, very worthy. Much love Dave!🥰

[@roberthaynes488]

Great job! Really amazingly done.