THE WAR ON REMOTE WORK IS BACK!

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Yo let me clarify real quick since I forgot to say it. I would like for employees to be able to choose how they work best in the first place. I'm not saying that everyone should work remote no matter what. Well because A.) Some jobs can't be remote, no matter what, and that's the way it goes. B.) People are different, and I would like for employers to allow their employees to choose how they work best, which should then increase their productivity, happiness, etc. As long as the expectations are being met, and bosses are happy it seems reasonable. Also fire the people who don't perform, or are lazy, or who aren't contributing as expected. These sorts of people exist in both the office and remotely. If you like the office, great go for it. I just dislike the faulty reasoning they use when they want to bring people back to the office who do not like it. Linkedin Page - www.linkedin.com/news/story/commutes-can-create-work-life-balance-5555988/ Open Office Study - royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rstb.2017.0239 EDIT: It also looks like Andrew from Crossover(the last video) is going to have something good coming tomorrow on this topic. I also wonder how many selfies his company took of him in the time it took him to make this lmao. www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7034233406200643585/

[@williamrelue]

Howdy Josh!

[@rejectionistmanifesto8836]

Governments/Companies/Organizations want good slaves who are married/have kids. After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people do NOT get married and do NOT get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

@@williamrelue Sup Bill

[@williamrelue]

@@JoshuaFluke1 Holy shit. I got your attention. There was an attempt on an independent journalist's life in Australia, FriendlyJordies who was uncovering the corruption of Australian leaders. This is what I want to do with my one wish of talking to someone with a platform. In any case, love your work! Been following for a few months.

[@J3unG]

Stop apologizing for your views. We are here because we agree with you most of the time. You're on the right side of the question of the viability of remote work. There's no point going to work for desk jockeys. Remember that the tech industry MADE MONEY during the pandemic. So...folks who worked at home made the business money. Having people go back to work won't improve profitability. No way.

[@tayzonday]

The fields of empty office buildings should be repurposed to solve our housing crisis 🤔

[@Roescoe]

That sounds way too caring. The businesses who didn't care about the communities they took over actually paying it back to the communities? naaaaaah

[@dyelawnhotfire]

95% chance the owners would repurpose them into luxury apartments that only the top 5% of earners can afford.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Tay! Question: would you be down to do a discord call and just comment on some topics I’d normally make videos on? I think your takes are pretty good. If you say yes I will stan. If not, jokes on me because I already do.

[@J3unG]

Check this out: on 8th and Mission in San Francisco, there is a sprawling homeless camp where people literally sit on the sidewalk with their backs to a windowless building 24/7. there is open drug-dealing and extortion on display and because there is no toilet, the curb is used. meanwhile, there are no less than THREE luxury condo buildings just around the corner on 9th and Mission. the vacancy rate for these buildings is around 15% right now because people fucking left the city during the lockdowns and didn't come back (it's actually higher, but the mainstream media reports no lower than 15%). SF City Hall and the incompetent mayor's office have elements in there that keep any type of meaningful solution to homelessness from taking place. it's been that way for generations. i agree with you, bro but until the corruption in SF is dealt with nothing will happen and people will continue to defecate with their arse hanging off the curb in broad daylight everyday.

[@Maki-00]

@@dyelawnhotfire That’s happening in my city!

[@witebatman]

I don't want a relationship with co-workers. I don't want face to face communication. I don't want to waste the average American commute time of 57 Minutes a day. I want to do my job, be left alone, and have enough money not to starve. Why is this seen as an extreme view?

[@MajesticLawnGnome]

THIS 🙌🙌

[@J3unG]

here, HERE, mate! Why? It's because they hate you. I can't think of any other logical reason why. All their excuses make no sense.

[@witebatman]

@El Mission that's how it feels, sadly that's how it's always felt. We are just cogs to make them money, and make them feel powerful

[@Wes-Tyler]

I want to have way more money than “enough to not starve”. How about enough to afford a house in my metropolitan area? Starting price is like $500k for a 2 bedroom house. How am I going to afford that???

[@witebatman]

@Wesley I gave up that hope, when our politicians and half of our population (the red half) stopped paying attention to the hungry, and started restricting medicine to the wealthy. They don't see us as human, worthy of the basic necessities of survival.

[@bryantsoto7326]

“Sure, I had the benefit of taking my kids to school, walking my dog, having breakfast with my wife…. but my 1-hour commute was of REAL value” This man HATES his family

[@matejfele9971]

That's what I've been saying all the time. Some people's lives are so pathetic, they need to escape it for 8h a day, plus commute.

[@elciervoparaguayo3756]

"Sure i'm getting more quality time with the people i love, but giving an entire unpaid hour to my employer was the true deal"

[@corvus8638]

I thought that immediately too. Seems like most of these people just want to get away from their families and couldn’t do it working from home

[@rontype1554]

A certain study shows that WFH increases birth rate. Now that is a problem as the depopulation agenda must continue. Oh wait...

[@seldonwright4345]

I always got depressed at a certain place on my drive to work. Then it hit. Half way there! Not the office the auto plant

[@Dan-cm9ow]

"I miss my commute. The helicopter ride is relaxing, I get to look down on the city and pretend you're all ants... It really puts life into perspective." -CEOs

[@daveblackman816]

Pretty much. “I wonder how these ants are able to make it. How …do they live like that? Taking public transportation? Being near others? So weird”.

[@huckleberryfinn8795]

🤣🤣

[@rejectionistmanifesto8836]

After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people do NOT get married and do NOT get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. Governments/Companies/Organizations want good slaves who are married/have kids. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.

[@Gizziiusa]

how bout a private jet from another city about 45 minutes away...then a choppa to the roof of their biz.

[@mariesevere8864]

Lol. Ha, I control so many aspects of their life because I pay so little. Ha, ha.

[@dyelawnhotfire]

"Supporting your employer's commercial real estate investment promotes work-life balance" was the rough draft's title

[@xephael3485]

If they had a lick of financial sense and anything between their two ears.... They would realize that they don't need these commercial properties and could save revenue on it.

[@xephael3485]

@LTNetjak too bad so sad? They're the same idiots who imagined that they had to have the building in the first place.

[@Seattle-2017]

And there you have it - the truth revealed.

[@businesscat4435]

@@LTNetjak Guess they should have considered that possibility when they decided to become a parasite (landlord).

[@rosebogert6047]

@LTNetjak Our company had 5 offices spread out across the globe. They closed 4 of them, and the remaining one has become more of a hot desk setup for whoever wants to use it, plus a place to store some business stuff. Most of us have set up an office at home, though - it works fine. Some have opted for co-working spaces instead. The company benefits from employees footing the bills; employees don't care because it's all optional. The only actual expense they added was the cost of relocating a select few people that needed to shift to a different country.

[@trutrek913]

The reason CEOs, VPs, Directors, etc are wanting workers to go back to work is the following: - They no longer have the office environment to feed their ego and self importance of their positions. (Drive their Mercedes and park at their special spots, lavish offices and Herman Miller Chairs, walk around and watch people either avoid you or kiss your posterior as you walk past, etc.) - Big empty buildings is in danger of being closed for lack of use, a lot of senior management positions will be eliminated if this happens.

[@dtor2048]

Ding ding ding! Winner! Exactly! Also, the system is rigged against us. And it's all about power and control, from the top down, business and in politics.

[@Kuidmaster]

I've been working from home for 7+ years now, these people are on another planet.

[@endoferagoat2393]

What kind of job do you have? Can you be specific I mean your certification so that I can give it a go

[@Kuidmaster]

@@endoferagoat2393 tech support, software dev, etc.

[@NeverGoingToGiveYouUp000]

Vive L'Empereur

[@TheWolf92]

Same here but for the last 4 years. It cracks me up every time I see some bullshit like this.

[@nicholastsagkos7063]

Depends on the sector and title.

[@josephbrown9685]

I log off my WFH computer and immediately go for a run. It has improved my physical and mental well being dramatically. It makes me far more likely to stick with my current job.

[@Seattle-2017]

Imagine that - instead of driving, doing something good for your health, and free, in that "meditative transition time".

[@VIP_Phil]

Peloton for me!

[@Seattle-2017]

@@vceisdead Well then good for you. Then drive - to work, or whatever. Meanwhile, people who don't like driving to the office for no reason - they can not drive, and work from home instead.

[@daveblackman816]

This article gave me a good laugh. “I enjoyed my commute. I feel great sitting in traffic as a ceo so I can think while my driver drives me to work. Why can’t we all be like this? Don’t waste that time with your family, think about work!”

[@rejectionistmanifesto8836]

From 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people do NOT get married and do NOT get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Governments/Companies/Organizations want good slaves who are married/have kids.

[@MTD4dz]

Don’t forget that the price of commuting being petrol, car maintenance etc. is all out of your pocket AND you’re paying with after tax dollars!

[@Seattle-2017]

So that the company can protect their office real estate investment.

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

@@Seattle-2017 what do you mean?

[@Seattle-2017]

@@AndrewSmith-pn2qc Most companies lease office space, while others own the space, or the building. In the former, the company would want people at the office in order to justify the lease. In the latter, the company would want people at the office to justify, and thereby protect, their real estate investment - the office/building that they bought. In both cases, the company wants to justify (and protect) its previous expense/investment at the commuting cost and time of its workers.

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

@@Seattle-2017 thanks for clarifying. I personally prefer working in the office but I also have a short commute to work.

[@Developer888]

yea having to worry about a car is a major unnecessary expense

[@tunexpectedv0id]

Any software developer, myself included, would hand over notice immediately and get hired remotely in another company in a matter of hours. Remote is here to stay.

[@KPenceable]

It's taken me almost 2 months, but I'm about to switch companies before RTO is taking place.

[@lajya01]

Where I work, top management requires 1 day a week in the office but lower management doesn't enforce it. They're way too scared of losing their senior staff.

[@AFuller2020]

@@KPenceable Then why are you on a site about people complaining about RTO?

[@lurklingX]

devs have an advantage there, tho. position is more likely to have remote offerings, and is in high demand. (i work for a software company.)

[@evan8168]

Same, I'm staying remote. There will always be remote jobs, and that didn't just start in 2020. I've said it before, but you only miss your commute til you're doing it again every day and dreading and hating it again. Honestly, working from home provides me more of a separation from work and life, and allows me the freedom and flexibility to work from anywhere in the country or in some cases even abroad. Who would pass that up for going back to the point A to point B back to point A style life again???

[@abrin5508]

Stand strong brothers and sisters - people are retiring excessively over the next 10 years due to demographics. They need us more than we need them.

[@Wes-Tyler]

So many benefits to an aging and declining population. Keep it up millennials and gen z!! Don’t have kids, and if you do, keep it 2 or less!

[@BOSSDONMAN]

Those boomer parasites have caused so many problems.

[@princessmarlena1359]

Exactly. Starve the beast.

[@kls701]

Yep

[@AFuller2020]

We are automating everything, less complaining and it's all Linux so no IT BS!

[@nothingbutme1150]

Let’s face it, they want you back to work because they want to micromanage you , be nosy about your personal business to see if you are as miserable as them and your boss is most likely a sociopath control freak because they get off on that. WFH is a blessing to sane people.

[@cliffclairespicyreviews3502]

Fax

[@tvdavis]

Based. Micromanagement is all they want to do, because it’s how most of them justify THEIR paycheck.

[@Brainy_Bytes]

didn't you hear? If you're not in front of your monitor at your desk you're not working... also a micromanaging trait lol hate this crap lol

[@princessmarlena1359]

They would chain workers to their desks if they could.

[@chamab.6800]

That’s really all it is. I just got word that my own place of employment is going to a hybrid schedule but I know one of my supervisors is going to try and push us to come in full time. Even though my teams productivity went up after we went remote. He’s super keen to stare at our faces for a few hours a day. 🤷🏾‍♀️ I work 3rd shift. And since the panoramic, housing crisis, homeless uptick etc, the financial district has become dangerous at night. The stores have started closing early or closed down completely due to robberies. My direct supervisor said he thought he was going to get robbed because some dude was following him real close from the car park to his office. He thinks the only reason he didn’t is because his destination was closer than the guy thought. He’s since started parking right in front of the building risking a parking ticket.

[@jamesremus6777]

WOW! They really think we’re stupid. My sister and my mom both had accidents in the same month while on their “Glorious Commutes” to work. But please……remind me how much I miss it 🤨

[@dandansfu]

I don’t think they think we r stupid They are calling the suck ups and ppl who would sell their souls so they can climb one step of corporate ladder

[@Pr1malZer0]

Yes, I had a life altering car accident 10 years ago on my hour long commute. It sure puts life into perspective. I even made sure to limit my time away from work though I qualified for short and long term disability. Then a year and a half later, I was laid off.

[@jamesremus6777]

@@Pr1malZer0 I’m sorry that happened to you. It makes me furious to hear when things like that happen to people who are just trying to make it. That’s how they do it. They see an employee as a part of a “team” until they need help. Then they’re a liability. They demand loyalty they will never give. I finally adopted my sisters approach toward the workplace. She always says that until you prove yourself loyal to me you’re always the side piece, never the wife.

[@whitneyr.846]

I HATE open office concepts. I get so distracted and can't work well. My ADHD brain needs routine, flexibility, and control of my environment...and I will be the best employee! Forcing me to conform to their idea of corporate culture will make you pay me for unproductive time way more. I love my boss, I don't have to come it.. I choose to do so once a week to escape my kids, but I don't get lectured if I dont

[@PepeToTheMooon]

How is sitting in traffic for 4 hours a day making my life better?? Who even wrote this??

[@williamrelue]

EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS

[@elenabob4953]

Not to mention the pollution.

[@Roescoe]

@@elenabob4953 More than air pollution, pollution of your mind into dark and brooding thoughts.

[@KPenceable]

@@Roescoe and allostatic load

[@atsanonwadsanthat166]

Flat Earther CEOs who refuse to predicate their views on rigorous peer-reviewed studies.

[@Linguinestick6]

I once thought I prefered hybrid after working from home for a while, but what I actually missed was regular human connection. Better to get that on my own time with activities I actually enjoy rather than at an office with people that got hired with you. So I will stay WFH and just enjoy my free time more.

[@amberherring5151]

This have a life outside of work

[@tvdavis]

Right?! Let me have interaction with those I CHOOSE to! I don’t want to talk to Smelly Steve or Nosy Nancy or Backstabber Bob or Ass-Kissin’ Alice!

[@spencervance8484]

When i worked for doordash, i loved it, the only thing i didnt like was that i had no one to talk to all day. I have no friends/family

[@Linguinestick6]

@mezzb couldn't agree more. I'm not very social and work is a great way to force me to make friends. I still hang out with people I met in office at my last job, and previous to that, my virtual role I met good people but never got that connection to stay in touch after leaving.

[@naughtyhieroglyph669]

For every company that demands people go back to the office, there are 10 midsized companies that are not renewing their leases. Pandora's box has been opened and it will not close.

[@roythousand13]

Exactly. Here is the kicker! There is always another epidemic or situation that could and would cause another lockdown. Why would any business abandon the remote work model when there is a chance that they will be made to do it again?

[@naughtyhieroglyph669]

@@roythousand13 I am watching the new Brazilian variant of norovirus. That will be a crazy one if it goes global.

[@corvus8638]

Yep. My company is doing this

[@zonisen3593]

The manipulation is deep.

[@acidrazor]

The leadership at activision blizzard probably miss being able to sexually harass their employees

[@IL_Bgentyl]

What happened with that case?

[@ivoivic2448]

@@IL_Bgentyl a big expensive rug and a lot of sweeping.

[@SK-yb7bx]

The games industry is truly awful.

[@acidrazor]

@@IL_Bgentyl it got muddied away when the Microsoft deal was announced.

[@kineticmeow9242]

Wasn’t there a case at Blizzard of a woman’s breast milk being stolen too?

[@sneakyquick]

I used to work at a fortune 500 company. Our upper management had to reluctantly admit that productivity went up and expenses went down when we all worked from home, so they let us do it permanently.

[@nasis18]

You know what else is good for work-life balance? ACTUAL work-life balance. Crazy crazy concept I know.

[@Seattle-2017]

You mean the commute is not a required part of life?!? No WAY!

[@Scott_T_]

Lol - "work life balance" is right up there with the CEO saying "I take full responsibility" - means nothing.

[@nasis18]

@@Seattle-2017 lol

[@nasis18]

@Scott T The days of employee advancement, a pension, and a gold watch are gone. They are just numbers to the CEO.

[@VIP_Phil]

Crazy how they preach WLB while pouring more meetings and assignments on you 🤣

[@Adam-nw1vy]

The only time that I went to an office every day was 10 years ago for 6 months when I was doing my internship. I used to take a taxi, then a bus, then a train, then another taxi. That was one of the worst parts of my life. After that I decided to work as a freelancer and never go to office again in my life even though I knew I'd suffer professionally and financially. These people have no idea how much some of us HATE commuting and going to an office.

[@alphaomega1351]

They have an idea alright. In fact it satisfies these psychopaths that they are creating an inconvenience and adding unnecessary stress to your life. 😶

[@dtor2048]

yeah, commuting is stressful and exhausting!

[@timmerc1236]

Though my adult working life has spanned many years, it's only been since I started working remotely that I've begun developing strong friendships with neighbors. I can't imagine giving up this connection to spend large chunks of my day commuting. After sharing morning tea or morning coffee or a morning run or walk with neighbors, I am better ready to start my work day than if I were enduring the treachery of the commute.

[@tvdavis]

That is honestly the best thing that’s happened for me since 2020: I have amazingly helpful and kind neighbors that I never got a chance to spend time with before because I was always working in an office or commuting back-and-forth, when I wasn’t at home taking care of my household. Once I got to take my dog for regular walks at various times of the day, I met a ton of genuinely nice people whom I now know on a first name basis, who have come to my house when they were in need during a power outage, and in turn, they came to help me change a flat tire, fix my leaking dishwasher, help me repair several things in my home, and generally help out when I needed them. That’s more than those bastards at work ever did for me.

[@tonberrymasta]

Yelling at someone over a Zoom call is just not the same.

[@rmmccarthy1240]

Fantastic!

[@readerrabbit6690]

I have always factored commute time into my pay. If I spend 2 hours each day commuting, plus another hour or so in the morning getting ready, and required to be at the office from 9-6 with an hour for lunch, that’s a 12 hour commitment for which I am only getting paid for 8.

[@Fanaz10]

This is the way.

[@ticenits1926]

When you negotiate your salary or hourly pay you're supposed to take all of this into consideration. You might as well get upset that the company isn't reimbursing you for your vehicle because you need it to drive to work.

[@seanw6323]

Forcing people to commute to work should be a crime and these CEOs should be behind bars.

[@CannonRush_AI_Studio]

Pretty sure it's because some of these CEOs don't know how to use a computer, and will refuse to learn how.

[@blackfi12e622]

I saw this trash article in LI. First thing I thought: when is Josh covering this? Keep up the good work and keep putting these gaslighters on blast.

[@genxx2724]

Here’s a transition for people who work at home. At quitting time, walk outside and close the door. Walk back in and start getting dinner ready. Don’t touch your work until the next morning. If you want extra credit, walk around the block before re-entering the house.

[@WayraRose]

I work from home. I get up and wash dishes, do laundry or find things to do before I relax for the night. It is very easy to do. They just don't want empty buildings.

[@adamestrada7610]

I fucking hate when CEOs say that in-office work equals more "collaboration" and "innovation". In the 10 years I worked in an office, I spent 80% of my days in a cubicle with my headphones in and without saying a word to anyone. The worst example of this was working for a company that all the C-suite execs worked from home and having to remote meet over teams...at the god damn office. I've even seen some of them responding to this same article about all the buzzwords of in-office culture, while they still work from home permanently. Never again, man.

[@Continuum7]

No one can ever convince me traffic commuting is fun/good or RTO is fun/good. As someone that enjoys being home and not having to be social with non-friends/family WFH is the way.

[@15xgg80]

I love cars i have a fast sports car and love driving it and even i think this article is crazy. I only have to work from office 2-3 times a week and i hate everything about it (open office).

[@Continuum7]

@@15xgg80 I wouldn't mind driving if I wasn't near a city and brain-dead drivers all over the place. If I lived in a more rural area and didn't have to drive for work I'd probably enjoy it more lol

[@15xgg80]

@@Continuum7 I prefer to drive where i want to drive when i opt to drive. Ill gladly work from home and go for a drive at 7-8 pm when there is no traffic and i get to choose where i want to drive.

[@stewartleslie3292]

Why don't they just admit they have no social life and no friends and they need work in order to socialise with people beyond being rejected on Tinder. I like how no one is talking about the 4 day working week, which has CONSIDERABLE data that's all positive.

[@stewartleslie3292]

@user-iq7bf2ig9w It matters a lot when the person that gets their social life from work is at the top of the food chain and setting the rules. Besides, you go to work, to work. Not socialise as it may be considered a form of quiet quitting. As for judgmental... I'm a Libra born in the Year of the Dragon, it's a character trait. Leaders lead by example.

[@doctorx1924]

@c h you can't be that ignorant. It affects us because we want to work from home and those people can't be fulfilled socially by working from home and hence want us all to return to the office. The better solution would be to let people choose if they want to go back to the office or work.

[@elciervoparaguayo3756]

@user-iq7bf2ig9w Workplace is not a place to make friends

[@Tiramonium]

I was thinking precisely of this yesterday, on how the only people who miss commuting are people who did not have to take 2 to 5 hour commutes or ride in tuna canned public transportation, eg most foot soldier workers

[@J3unG]

LinkedIn is the home for CEO type twatz who play act this idea that they are EQUAL to the employees they step on everyday. moreover, there exists the possibility that they, too, could be as powerful as they. it's fukd. linkedIn deliberately screens people who point this out (community guideline warnings, etc...)

[@btw-3006]

Exactly. If I was a walk away from the office, I would probably enjoy the commute. While my commute isn't super long, I don't miss having to be potentially squeezed into a subway car while also hoping that I make it in time so I do not have to wait for the next train to arrive.

[@AlvinKazu]

It's going to be hilarious when companies start changing their article headlines to "maybe going back to the office wasn't the best idea after all," and then post a bunch of bs reasons when in fact the real reason was that people quit their jobs to work at companies offering good remote jobs. No one wants to go into an office to work, when they can work from home, especially the ones that aren't monitoring you and taking photos of you every 5 seconds.

[@J3unG]

they won't do that. they won't apologize for doing this stupid bullshot. they'll just forget about it and hire people who will only work remote because they want to stay in business. it's the media and their role in pushing this narrative we should be concerned with and Josh is doing a great service to humanity by continuing to expose this.

[@tvdavis]

I think they’re going to stick with this strategy forever. If enough companies go along with this BS, they will eventually get the people who can’t get the top-tier jobs. Those with the skills will be able to work remotely; those who don’t will come into an office because the companies will make it so you don’t have a choice. They are NOT going to give up their corporate real estate profits or their incentives for having their business in certain places. These companies get MAD $$$ from local governments, and part of the deal is that the worker bees/servants “stimulate the local economy”; that means bringing your ass to work so they can charge you $20 for a wilted, half-rotten salad.

[@NepaliGigster]

What they actually miss is them being narsi and bossing their staff around, venting their home frustrations, and eyeing their opposite-sex colleagues.

[@booneboone9705]

*harassing the opposite sex

[@LLCoolJ_25]

Lmaooo I just saw this article yesterday. I sent it to my mom and she was just like “bull-fucking-shit.” A lot of LinkedIn articles make me laugh. Also, I never think about getting back on my laptop when I work from home. That’s what I have my desk drawer for.

[@tvdavis]

Your mom knows what’s up! 👏🏽

[@Scott_T_]

Worked in an 80's style office with 16 individual offices with wood doors to each office and high-walled cubes in the middle. Everyone was walking around all the time talking F2F. We moved to a new glass building with a bullpen setup and glass door and wall offices. Nobody talks to each other F2F anymore and there's no privacy for any worker.

[@simonebernacchia5724]

AND bosses like it, is the panopticon made real

[@J3unG]

The open workspace makes it impossible for workers to concentrate on their jobs. There's also the paranoia of thinking everyone is keeping tabs on you and can see what you are doing or not doing. Imagine having your shyt boss not less than 5 ft away from you and can see and hear everything you do every fucking day. Just thinking about it gives me stress.

[@Maki-00]

Last time I worked in an office, it was an open office where everyone communicated by Slack, even if the person was sitting a couple feet across the table from you. It was also annoying because one group of women would talk loudly and laugh and make noise and I felt like I was in a Jr. High school cafeteria!

[@tvdavis]

@@Maki-00 That’s my office work environment now, except it’s guys. The overseer (he’s not my actual boss; just a placeholder from another agency that manages the overall project) comes in, hangs out and shoots the 💩 with his buddies, loudly, for an hour at a time. The minute I ask him something about work, he’s suddenly too busy to be bothered, so I say “F it.” and work from home. No yelling and laughing, and I don’t have to put up with his ass.

[@Mike-dd8bd]

I am a born in 90s millennial. I love the 80s mindset and office environment. Kind of wish I was around then and climbing the corporate ladder.

[@kmclogistics3002]

I love how they want us to commute and deal with traffic, collisions, etc. Then nail you with an occurrence because you're 5 minutes late because of said traffic. lmao, never again.

[@williamjacobs]

Then you arrive fifteen minutes early every day to avoid that 5 minute late problem and you leave early ten minutes that day instead. HAHAHAHAHA! Just kiddin'. You punch out at your normal time and give the company ten minutes free every day.

[@jacobjohnson4763]

I’ve worked in offices for almost 20 years. I started with a shared office with 1 person. That wasn’t bad, then I went to having my own office, that let me really manage my focus better and I was able to control my environment in a way that let me interact when I needed to or shut the door and deep dive into a project when I needed to. I’m now in an open office with 10 people. It’s miserable trying to actually work. It’s an uphill battle when everyone is in the office to actually focus. People (generally) aren’t lazy, they want to be productive. Companies make it so damn hard to. Most people who prefer working from home, do so because it’s what’s best for them in being productive. I like a hybrid schedule where I can work from home 2-3 days a week and come into the office the other 2-3 days. These senior leaders who demand working from the office need to understand that they are not solving any problems, they are creating them. Hire adults, treat them like adults, and expect them to act like adults.

[@alphaomega1351]

Oh geesh! The open office is the absolute worst! They literally come up with ways to stress you out and make you less productive. Work ain't never about work. It's about a handful of control freaks trying to control the masses. 😶

[@BoxOfOranges84]

I work at a company that instituted part-time RTO. Absolutely miserable 1. There is not enough space for calls /meetings. The C Level and VP level people take all the private rooms for themselves, and the rest of us are left to listen in on everyone else's call in the open floor plan. 2. That 40-minute daily subway commute (one way) is one of the most psychologically damaging experiences of NYC. How can you not become a psycho after being packed like sardines in a tin can, in a dirty train car where a homeless man slept and defacated in the night before?

[@Nwakaego_]

These people must really think we’re stupid. Commute and go back into the office. Hell No!! No! Big fat NO!!!

[@keropi193]

Here you go algorithm, I baked you a healthy snack 🍰

[@robertbeisert3315]

Yes, my 5 hour round trip commute really helped me put life in perspective. I mean, who really needs a house, pets, food, or a spouse when you could be standing on a bus on the highway, stuck in rush hour traffic, imagining how lovely your pine box is going to be.

[@saywhatnow57]

5 hrs!!!?? Honestly question and no offense. But how do you end up in a job like that? Doesn't seem worth it to begin with and I can't say it's something I'd ever consider. It must have at least been a great opportunity.

[@robertbeisert3315]

@rickthomas422 it was only 2-3 hrs if I was willing to drive from North Austin to downtown, but I swear everyone on those roads wants to leave the earth rapidly, and parking was really expensive. Bus routes were slow, and usually several buses would pass my stop because there wasn't even room on the ceiling. So, 5 hours. Leave home at 7a, get home around 8p. That was my first year of marriage.

[@robertbeisert3315]

@rickthomas422 but it was a big company, and I was suckered in by decent pay and a "resume making" job. It ended with sleep apnea, gray hairs, ulcers, loss of eyesight, and a psychological block that renders Java literally impossible for me to read. Didn't even get to my first performance review. But the project finally launched 3 years late, with no apparent additions or improvements of my code. In fact, the public reviews mention several of the bugs I filed and was trying to fix when they booted me out. Edit: "loss of eyesight" in terms of needing glasses, after a lifetime of perfect vision. I should have had 5 more years.

[@robertbeisert3315]

@user-iq7bf2ig9w it was early career in a recession. I'd spent a year applying to jobs already. But, yes, I still should have walked out of there.

[@DinoFancellu]

I'm a developer. The last thing I need to hear is people's noisy excited conversations. I want silence. Any noise drags my mind away from where it was, all mental constructs fall to the floor. I wish these people would have a theory of the mind of someone who isn't them. Trouble is, most people simply CANNOT imagine being someone else. These managers can't imagine what it is like to be a senior dev, who is very sensitive to noise. They may even like the office, getting to see the minions sweat.

[@James-N01]

Sadly more and more companies are now using the whole BS of "collaboration" (so sick of hearing that word) as an excuse to start moving more and more people back to offices. Many are now also reducing their WFH policies, started as one day in office, then two , then most at present seem to have settled on three, but the way it's going I'd say most will push to four. They just want to justify having the rent and utilities in these offices plus to be able to "see" people working.

[@iiichigoo]

When I had an in-person job, I can get my work done in 4 hours but I force myself to work slower and drag it to 8 hours so I can "look" busy to my managers...My current job, I work remote, I get my work done in 4 hours and spent the rest of the day doing whatever I want. Same productivity and more efficient xD

[@iiichigoo]

@c h good for you 👍 i spend my extra time on other small projects and exercise, which i never had time for before. And sometimes KZbin would be playing on my other screen

[@Erik_The_Viking]

I don't miss my commute. You can have it. It gives me more time for other things like taking walks, bike rides, etc. that are more useful for me besides going nuts with traffic. At least I know which companies not to work for.

[@ericsmith1517]

so many of these executives are very "how do you do, fellow kids" in their responses edit: these ceos won't be happy until we're all packed together like a cow farm

[@rnt45t1]

The day they tell me I have to go drive into the office is the day I tell them "no, actually I don't."

[@okjosh]

Yep. There’s too many employers still being reasonable and have embraced the advantages of a remote team. And if all the remote jobs go away, fuckit Ill open a coffee shop.

[@gsharpshooter80]

Lol I literally don’t apply to jobs that say onsite or hybrid anymore, I just apply the filter on every site to remote only and that’s it.

[@rizaldywirawan]

i believe if linkedin or job portal track their search, mostly will just check the remote filter

[@apreviousseagle836]

Translation = "We think you're lazy and are goofing off at home, and we want to squeeze you for productivity here in the office"

[@AlistairMaxwell77]

I have been into the office 3 times in the last 2 years and honestly don't think I will ever go back now . If I was forced I would quit.

[@UnluckyFatGuy]

"I really miss my commute." Said absolutely no one ever

[@julielevesque2668]

I live in Montreal, Quebec, Canada and they are trying to make regular people feel bad for working remotely...our downtown businesses are suffering....people aren't shopping on lunch or buying overpriced coffees at Starbucks...hello....even if people were at work in person 5 days a week...they can NO LONGER AFFORD TO SPEND ON ANYTHING BUT NECESSITIES! I go in 3 days a week and work from home 2...seems to me when I go in there is always a problem or delay with public transportation. When I work from home...I can get things done instead of waiting for the subway to get back in service.

[@thesemonies5797]

I'd rather get up early and exercise before work instead of commuting.

[@Roescoe]

This is exactly what I do to start my day.

[@abdusalam3ar]

As a Muslim. My daily five prayers offers the optimal relaxation method. I feel fulfilled when I step away from work and do them for some minutes. Also, being with the people you love even if you're not talking to them all the time during your working hour, is better for the brain and the soul than commuting or any other empty excuse CEOs throw at us. I mean whenever I have to go to the office the only thing I can think about after work is when I will get home and finally see parents or talk to my girl. How can they ever expect us to be convinced that being with essentially strangers all day, spending more money, wasting time on commuting and getting lunch is better than being at home with the people you love? I feel like CEOs are just a bunch of bitter old people. They're jealous that in our modern society technology has enabled us to do our job remotely, but they mask it with made up reasons.

[@bernsfindsandmore7636]

I used to run a department which I got demoted from due to me advocating WFH. I found out I was slowly being pushed out so I reached out to my contacts within the company, ended up landing a position that is 100% remote and now I get to work on what I really love. Since I built that office from the ground up, I can now develop and automate about 90% of the tasks that are done.... now they are the ones that have to watch out for me... pushed the pedal to the metal...

[@Inkironnrum]

There is so much traffic to commute to work and back. The cost of fuel, along with car maintenance and insurance is an expense I could cut back on. These employers manipulate employees into believing they’re much more needed at the office. When in reality the employers are more worried about their lease on the building. My income should stay in my pocket as much as I can manage it to be. But employers are not making my financial situation a priority to them.

[@eq2092]

They just can't help themselves. It's all about control.

[@iaroslavtitov2270]

There's an internal article circulating in Amazon about how ALL office employees will be required to go into the office 3 days a week. I'm the only one on my team attached to the local office, but I will still have to go 🤡 Starting to look for a new job lol Edit: Josh already had it, should've watched the video before commenting lmao

[@CaraMarie13]

Nothing like a one plus hour on the train to help me appreciate my work more. Or, i can keep working from home and keep logging in at 9 and clocking out at 5. Nothing easier then just closing the lid on my work laptop and changing into tights and just lay down on a mat.

[@TheWolf92]

I have been remote as a sales engineer in a tech company for the past 4 years. These articles are the biggest load of shit I’ve ever seen. My entire sales team is remote and our company is profiting more than EVER. This is a control thing, and a war on office buildings not being occupied but being paid for. I’ll never return to an office as I’m equally as present, collaborative, competent, inquisitive, efficient, and capable from my home office 1,200 miles away. We use slack and never ONCE have I needed something answered so fast that if I didn’t have it right there something terrible would happen. This is comical!

[@shaunhunterit342]

I had a year where my workplace was four minutes walk down the road, and it was bliss! I had my own quiet office as well. That remains my ideal working situation. I do like having colleagues nearby to talk to and enjoy being in the office, but only if I have my own personal space there as well.

[@tvdavis]

That’s the thing: It’s rare to have ANY privacy anymore at the office. They claim that they have open concept offices for “collaboration” and “idea sharing”, but honestly: How many people in non-creative roles need to “brainstorm & collab” all day every damned day? It’s just so they can WATCH YOU like you’re a child or servant. That gives the first line supervisor something to do. Then, he or she can run to THEIR superior (who is probably working remote, constantly traveling, or in bullshit meetings all the time) and justify their job. The superior then has an underlying gather all the metrics from the supervisors and present that to THEIR boss, and the box-checking, task master, flunkie cycle of BS continues.

[@andyn6053]

They have tried to force me back to the office for two years now. But I just say "yeah, I'll drop by next week and then just ignore them.

[@Scott_T_]

Not sure why people miss the commute to work, just go in the office if you want. I'm sure companies aren't stopping you from going into the office to work.

[@gerhardruscher5067]

Funny, couple of years ago in Germany a study stated the exact opposite. Commuting just grow the stress level and the risks of cardio vascular illnesses ....

[@rlee1185]

"I miss my commute " means he's tired of his kids' crap 😂

[@ticenits1926]

The commute isn't so bad when you show up to work an hour late and leave an hour early everyday riding in your brand new Audi or BMW with a catered lunch waiting for you when you get there, just for you to shoot the shit with the other suit and ties about what steak house you'll be going to after golf that weekend.

[@rlee1185]

@@ticenits1926 nice to meet you Mr President of the company!

[@ispep8882]

Yes. I miss spending an extra $350/month in gas bills and having to change my oil more frequently and putting wear and tear on my car.

[@turkeyssr]

I don't always agree with you, but the information and perspectives you provide are important. Thanks!

[@JoshuaFluke1]

That's ok. It's probably that way with most people. And even then I imagine we could just talk through things like normal people and come a resolution or agree to disagree but still be cool.

[@awolr]

My first thought on the study you mentioned with productivity is the possibility that, knowing they were filmed, there was a clear incentive for employees to appear more efficient with their time, even if its chatting at the computer instead of standing up...

[@ColeEvyx]

They can have all the "war" they want. I have skills from 2 degrees and many years work experience and side projects. If they want it, they can either pay me a RIDICULOUS amount of money or let me WFH. Their choice. I know what I have isn't all over the place and I know I perform at the high end and I value my freedom and quality of life. So they can have all the "war" they want, and then moan whine and complain at why their code is technical debt ridden brittle trash and why they are missing feature deadlines. Not my problem bro, needed people in the office more than you needed a working app! LOL

[@cindyeckstine8363]

I think a good idea for a video would be to point out how leadership loves to force people back to the office while they’re never around.

[@andread.8095]

My Supervisor talked badly about people in the tech industry wanting to WFH. She thinks they only do 4 hours of work and watch Netflix or gaming. She also thinks they should be back in the office in order to be more productive. I rolled my eyes because she does WFH from time to time when it's convenient for her, admitting that she does watch Netflix, nap etc etc and not have to deal with the commute or clients like I do since I'm mostly at the front desk I can't wait til I can find a WFH job. I need more work/life balance and less time dealing with the horrible subways of NYC...

[@crysiscontained4421]

Don't let amazon lie to you folks, their leadership ain't there to do nothing but sit, look pretty, and make sure you're doing yours. Most of their leadership has never even done the job you're doing before and others that have done it haven't done it in so long they don't know how to do it anymore. I was DCOT for AWS and the amount of times leadership couldn't answer what should have been simple tech questions was astounding. Edit: Their responses were literally "Throw parts at it and see what sticks, but remember you need 36 resolves a week and we know that we have an 88 ticket queue with 40 other DCOT." You're a team but you have to compete to keep your job.

[@texanplayer7651]

It's always both funny and sad how CEOs micromanage things like "productive interactions" and never care about actual productivity.

[@h.gatnaw]

I would like to point out that @ 2:00 Joseph Loria listed "driving my son to school" as a benefit of remote work, like come on bro, you're so close to getting it yet so far. Make driving your son to school the commute. THAT IS YOUR "VIRTUAL" COMMUTE JOE!

[@lextacy2008]

Zoom meetings are now a dumpster fire when back in office. We all have play a game of "mute and unmute" to prevent the echo annoyances. This was never a problem when we work remote.

[@damightymichelinman]

For me personally, I've gotten accustomed to working from home and will probably never go back. Nothing can replace the time and money I save, and being able to hangout with my daughter and wife on coffee breaks, or do dishes or prep dinner Ina slow cooker on my lunch break is absolutely priceless. Sometime I use my lunch break to do a quick intense workout and cold shower. And every day when I'm done work I go for a 20-40 minute walk to meditate and decompress 🤷

[@LegendaryMel]

Sounds awesome 😎

[@Watchinclouds]

❤❤❤ sounds like me! Only I'm a single mom and little one is also virtual school. Love my occasional lunch walks to a nearby trail and helping my parents around the home. Definitely love having my own personal space! My own restroom and shower. Nearby kitchen.

[@ThunderZephyr_]

I love having loading screens in my games. It really helps you transition from one activity to another.

[@e4gail]

Moved my family out to the country on land with high speed internet. Never working in an office again. My company got rid of all their office space. My team does just fine with out Barbra from HR yappin in my damn ear.

[@Wes-Tyler]

Leave the early morning roads to people who actually need them - teachers, healthcare professionals, store workers, bankers, etc. software devs and adjacent do not need to be clogging up the roads commuting to offices just so they can join their zoom calls from their open office floor plans

[@Watchinclouds]

Great point! Also, less car pollution too.

[@jimmiejohnsson2272]

The commute really does suck, as anyone who has done it for any extended period of time will tell you. Where I live, most ppl are tired and annoyed on their commute to work making the commute really unpleasant. The busses and subway trains we go on are always overfilled so if you sit, you end up having two people squeezed up upon you. Be prepared for morning breath smells and other types of body odors as well as obnoxious perfumes. If it snows your in for a treat of delays or cancelled trains, causing massive build ups of people stuck on their way home or to the office. People will get physical to defend their spot on the replacement busses once they show up. What is pleasent about this commute? I dont get it. I usually struggle to get my phone out of my pocket on the commute, because Im tightly squezeed in between other people to the point I can freely grab stuff in my pockets. I do put up with it to go once or twice a week, because I do feel being in the office to some degree is actually good. But I would never want to go everyday like this. I’ve done it for years before and there is no part of me that misses it. I recently had a job offer at what sounded like a great place to work with the kind of stuff I really enjoy doing, but they required everyone to come in 5 days a week. Had to turn it down, otherwise I would for sure have accepted it… this attempt to force people to come in, when it is not needed, is just really stupid. I sure hope it becomes the de facto way of working - hybrid or remote as an option for everyone when possible. The government should mandate it.

[@hermenegildakociubinska6665]

watching garden birds while drinking coffee before work > riding the bus

[@jamjam1]

They're so contradicting! They need that commute to separate work from home because otherwise they'll work longer hours??? Weren't they just complaining about how people aren't working as much because of temptations from working at home?

[@Roescoe]

It's almost like they don't care about being hypocritical and just want to squeeze you for all you're worth.

[@tvdavis]

When I work from home, I DO have a commute: My home office is downstairs and the main living area of my home is upstairs. Even has a different bathroom down there and fridge, microwave, water cooler. My dog and I have huddles, brainstorming, and breakout sessions. Team building is when we go up the street to the neighbors, they make me some 💣-ass coffee (they have a professional machine) & our dogs play in their yard. Community Outreach is when I refill the bird feeder and fill up the birdbath. And somehow, I still get all my work done and a top performer rating from my manager. Weird.

[@katebanfield7229]

I think CEO’s miss a reason for driving their expensive cars; whereas we schmucks own older cars or take mass transit…. Very grateful my new position is 100% remote; just like my last one. Some companies realize in order to find the industry knowledge they want, they had to throw a bigger national net to attract the candidates they need.

[@kaizer-777]

I commute upstairs to my home office. That's all the separation I need. I don't play games on my workstation or do anything up there but work, and I don't do remote work anywhere else but in my office.

[@KennTollens]

I don't want to go back to the office. How am I supposed to get any shut eye with all those jerks in my face?

[@germwire90]

Most of the time, in open offices, everybody's trying to be quiet so as not to disturb the person next to them. The other part is that multiple people are on a Zoom call, with headphones on, screaming into the mic, being disruptive to the workflow.

[@galespressos]

How about walking into the kitchen to get a cup of tea for the transition routine; sounds like a solution. However, would also consider CEO helicopter to work if provided and accompanied by commensurate salary.

[@mlguy8376]

My company rolled out “ways of working” with no evidence why we should be coming in more. Especially when people were sold because we only have to come in an in frequently

[@GreenPlasticWaterCan]

Commuting is my main reason for stress. I'm really "allergic" for traffic (jams). Doesn't matter if it's to work or back home. I also get frustrated in having to travel anything longer than 30 minutes. Communiting is a waste of time and just sucks.

[@whereeaglesdare9584]

We’re reaching levels of gaslighting never thought possible. Boiling it down it gets creepy when you realize it’s not even about more profit but about inflicting suffering on the employee. The commute is unpaid labor and even worse unpaid labor with transportation costs.

[@simonebernacchia5724]

Those bosses could save a lot if they spend it in a dungeon and play BDSM rather than in a workplace

[@doctorx1924]

I feel the last 7 years we have been in this extreme era of gaslighting that started back in 2016 with the Trump. Keep in mind I don't like either democrats or republicans I just feel he started this era of gaslighting that everybody took it to another level including the media, politicians, businesspeople, pop culture, etc. Gaslighting has gotten so bad I feel the media will start tell us ridiculous things such as eating shit is healthy. I truly hate this era I wonder when it will end.

[@azatecas]

so many employers just making excuses because they cant admit their ego purchace/leasing of an office is a bad idea. my first boss when i became a developer signed a ridiculus lease for a very nice office, post covid. then he wanted all the new people to go into the office because "we would learn from senior staff", literary none of the senior staff ever showed up. i worked remote from the office and had a 30minute communite each way. what a waste.

[@Jar3d111]

I worked at a place that was a 30 minute commute in the morning and usually 45+ at the end of my day. I hated that commute so much I got a remote job. I can understand wanting to go to an office to be able to socialize, but missing the commute??? That's insane.

[@ytmandrake]

IBM is also making everybody go back in the office 3 days a week and according to Mr Kavanaugh, it's mandatory. I have submitted my notice straight away so my manager allowed me to work remotely until further notice.

[@TheZarlo]

for me if the commute is to long i get a new job for me the commute is a HUGE drain