The War Within Affliction Warlock OVERHAUL! Siphon Life, New Talents and More!

The War Within Affliction overhaul is here!
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Intro: 0:00
Affliction Changes: 0:52
Single Target Combat: 16:58
AOE Combat: 20:28
ST and AOE Logs: 23:50
Patreon, Summary and Outro: 28:16
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[@Sly_404]

I soooo miss legion affliction.

[@AlexanderForsman]

Same (T-T)

[@VileVamp]

I hated ua as a spender, but the artifact was cool.

[@Vardi_]

This was peak

[@AngryBitterNeckbeard]

​@@VileVamp Why? It was certainly better than a trash DoT you put on one guy

[@municare]

@@VileVamp What is wrong with you?

[@XenDrokz]

thanks for the vid! looks very good and covers a lot of info :)

[@grobbs69]

The sneeze into "I'm not editing that out" haha, love it. Thanks for your info on Lock as always Kala. Appreciate you.

[@GenjiShimada.]

Keep up great work brother! :)

[@eXilz0]

Right on cue, thanks for the video!

[@ztormur6504]

i would like them to implement a new way to spend soul shards. maybe something similar to that new 45 second cooldown they have coming up. say; Malefic rapture applies a really short 3 second HEAVY dot on ANY target afflicted by Agony. where it wouldn't have a stack count per say, but every spender would apply another, and another of this same DoT. there would maybe be ways to proc 2 at the same time on the target etc. this would be so faithful to the DoT fantasy, yet have a simple enough way to spend shards.

[@ewave9643]

Fuckin love it bro kinda like how feral stacks bleeds that just add up

[@porkchoprock]

this is pretty sick ngl.

[@chriseggroll]

looks really good! maybe they'll look at seed cast time since it's not gonna feel really good without soul flame

[@pitvader2]

thanks 4 showing

[@skeletorzomg]

Very happy about this change. A Huge step in the right direction. Though i wish we can have better animations for aff.

[@HugoPCarvalho]

Looks fun :D

[@zacharyiler136]

With all of the passives, you have +25% crit and 30% crit damage as hellcaller aff..... that is nutty

[@Etensei]

Soul harvester's nightfall gimmick with that shadow bolt volley and buffs to shadow bolt might make it go a little crazy

[@CritteRino]

volley does not seem to benefit from shadowbolt talents and is overall pretty low in dmg, at least with current tuning. And even if they buff it I dont think the talents will benefit to not overlap aoe with single target talents.

[@Kozilak]

Hitting 3 capstones is huge

[@akphoffman]

@6:00 It probably makes the health stones demonic for the warlock that cast the well only. Otherwise there would be this weird situation where you swap talent builds after summoning your well for the raid.

[@Kalamazii]

THD as able to pull Demonic stones from mine while not being talented into it. Likely a bug of some sort

[@akphoffman]

@@Kalamazii Did he have the talent too? Perhaps any Warlock with the talent simply gets demonic stones, instead of regular. and What happens when you switch talents after getting the stone?

[@Ma5asak45]

haircut looks great my guy

[@Morscode_Gaming]

Oooohh just logged out and get this

[@IcarusMelo]

take a shot every time kala says rapture lol

[@brendanhill5948]

Your hair looks fine imo, also the beard is an upgrade.

[@mmaric700]

any change for affli is a good change :D

[@MarEvayave]

Fel Armor and Demon Skin are already 2-point talents. That is active on live right now?

[@Trashgameplayer]

min cooldown green(red) stone is so fking awesome. insane.

[@Rainy_x]

So relieved we're finally getting some affection. Hope we get a few more iterations to improve on what's there, but i'm so excited on what we've seen so far. I still main it on retail but was beginning to think it was just my masochistic streak keeping me there.

[@derabc125]

I started playing wow pretty late (bfa 8.3) and its interesting how everyone seems to say "WL went downhill after MOP designwise". I personally feel like the WL reworks felt more like big nerfs / destruction of identity with the expection of destro (before War Within). For me peak was Demo 10.1 with big pitlord/good cleave, Affli 9.0 with burstdmg (i know most ppl seem to like seed as AOE spender, but i personally love rapture and feel like seed should stay a dot-spreading spell) and destro kinda almost stayed the same since then with the exception of losing funnel-capability with cataclysm being locked behind 2 dead talentpoints (since u dont want to rain of fire in funnel-scenarios). The first iterations of the reworks make me hopeful, but i also see a lot of issues being unadressed like cata still being a choice-node etc., demo still having too many "passive-dmg of core rota increased" talents etc. Affli seems to be the best rework IMO since you it seems the whole proc-fishing and insane maintance rota (which almost always yielded less dps than demo/destro) seems to finally been adressed. Beside being a good pick for a patch raidwise and m+ wise (which class doesnt want to be in that position :D), i feel like all 3 warlock specs need some big love in war within and the current iterations go in the right direction but still leave much to desire. Anyway thanks a lot kalamazi for being such a beast in terms of constructive feedback/warlock info (even guildmates who dont play warlock watch you lol)!

[@martinjp6792]

How was wither and absolute corruption working together?

[@chewyy50]

This looks really cool. However since they’ve added so much power to rapture, I’m a bit scared that aff will be at the mercy of RNG even more than before. Kinda crazy that you had pulls going from 7-8 to 14-15 raptures, more than double!!

[@raweon_path_of_exile1263]

The super impactful choice node in the middle of the tree: passive proc or 3% more damage... new talents with x% more crit and y% more crit dmg... (these nodes were the reason the old old trees got axed LOL) all in all super underwhelming tbh. really excited for the new shard eco they will force on demo... BTW, Kala's amazement and coolness factor of passives talents that do nothing if you dont have logs/details running never ceases to amaze me :P

[@Zikkar]

I mean I am happy for Warlock brothers and sisters that enjoy Affliction. I am not a fan of the spec but I am glad for those who are that it so being worked on.

[@AR15andGOD]

16:40, thats what I thought, maybe turning rapture into a dot speed cd like resto druid and make the spender something else

[@Gelmarus]

Looks fun to play tbf

[@Brad-cu1tz]

I feel like if Seed's purpose is to spread Corruption, and no longer the spell we spam to do AoE, then why does it need.... 1.) a cast time 2.) spell travel time 3.) doesn't immediately explode unless taking other damage All 3 restrictions seems excessive. Make it instant cast to help with PvP (with a 6 second CD) and leave the other 2 alone.

[@ScarletFury_]

so far indeed cool changes but I dread not playing sacrifice or drain soul

[@Pahina22]

So single target and aoe builds are even more different now than before. They did the exact opposite of what they claim their goal was with this rework.

[@bosssavage3325]

Nah, gluttony will give you the good health stone and soul well will give the regular one. Or you’d be required to unspec gluttony, drop a soul well, then respec back into it.

[@Mortiferous89]

I've always loved aff, and even though its kinda sucky right now in dragonflight i still love to play it. TWW Aff is looking incredible. I cant wait, i might bench my feral and bring my lock out of retirement

[@alsius9162]

cant wait. they better keep wither strong so it isnt bad compared to the other hero talent tree that seems so much more generic

[@talisredstar1543]

I'm like the changing i'm hearing, but the point still stands. Shadow Priest feels more like Affliction than affliction does. You said it yourself when you said Corruption, our main fucking dot, the spell this spec has revolved around is only 8 percent of your damage. Fyra'lath dot is more impactful than that. sad to see soul swap go, but we didn't really use it much. Doom blossom I rather like in aoe, passive soul siphon. Holy F*cking Sh*t its about damn time. still though it makes no sense to me that We don't have Devouring Plague, and shadow priest should have Malelific Rapture. Affliction is THE dot spec, and our dots just tickle the balls of things. Seeing Wither being strong is nice, but I still think Hellcaller needs a name change, cause it just doesn't fit to what the hero talent does. I still think it should be changed to Misery.

[@s1os2s3]

Shadow Priest cant be any more different than Aff Lock nor does it feel like Aff. Whose opinion are you borrowing because it is very clear you have been smoking something or it is just a repeated opinion of someone else that you did not think through.

[@talisredstar1543]

@@s1os2s3 Shadow Priest is about dot dot dot spend on another bigger dot in Devouring Plague. Affliction has always been about the dots until they brought in Malefic Rapture. And since then they have literally iterated on Rapture in almost any way possible to keep it in the game, and force Affliction Warlocks to use it. Mind flay when it was in the game was essentially Drain Soul for Shadow Priest, Mind Blast is essentially Doombolt for Affliction. A one off non-channeled nuke. Mind Spike is Shadow Priest's filler like Shadow Bolt/Drain Soul is to Affliction Warlocks. Dispersion is a better unending resolve, where Dark Pact is Power Word: shield on crack. The only real difference right now is that Shadow Priest AOE through Psychic Link, so they can single target to aoe, where Affliction has to spread around their dots through Seed, Vile Taint, and Soul Rot. Shadow Priest spawn little or one big add that aid in their dps. Warlocks of one of the 2 Original Pet classes, and with affliction most of the time sacrificing your pet for the buff and to not have to deal with the headache of pet AI. Vampiric Embrace is the one ability that Shadow Priest have all unto themselves, and it is just a CD buffed atonement healing that they don't have to ramp for. Look i'm not saying that shadow priest are bad, or evil. I have a Shadow Priest alt that I love to play. But when it comes to the class/spec identity, Shadow Priest to me feels more in line of what Affliction is and use to be, than what Affliction Warlock is right now.

[@tosdiv2886]

Andrew Ryan would love this

[@theyellowlemon]

So did they nerf this new PVE version of Oblivion? Because right now haste DOES effect the PVP version. Haste gives Oblivion more ticks. I just did a quick test. At 107% haste, on the PVP dummy, my Oblivion has 7 ticks for a total of 1.07M dmg.

[@reidom1994]

Tbh the fast shard gen is required, aff felt the worst of all 3 specs on shard gen. At least some fun if they force us to use rapture

[@fenaxtv]

Affclition needs a visual overhaul, it looks very bland compared to every class

[@DankMemes-xq2xm]

It somehow looked better in MoP. Malefic Grasp was so visually satisfying, no idea why they replaced it with the super lame animation of Drain Soul.

[@KusoTrevor]

Wouldn't the visualization of any channeled "drain" like ability be way better if the animations originated at the target instead of it springing forth from the caster? That just feels like I'm pulling the soul/life from the target.

[@blackblade99009]

it feels like soul rot needs to be higher in the tree, if not soul harvester will probably be relegated to being the aoe hero spec and hell caller with be looked at as the st one.

[@Xynth25]

Every class has hero talents that tell them to spec certain capstones...Blizzard's stated goal is to have them balanced closely enough that it really doesn't matter what you play between the trees. I think it's fine as a way to meaningfully differentiate how each hero tree feels to play, even if the balance goal fails.

[@blackblade99009]

@@Xynth25 i think you would have a better point if more than like 10 of the hero specs we have seen had a enc cap requirement, so far only about a third of them have one.

[@Xynth25]

@@blackblade99009 Sure some of them don't. I think enough of them do for it to still be a thing. Their design ideas are pretty obvious if you look at the trees...some are meant to be minimally intrusive, others are meant to force alternate playstyles.

[@blackblade99009]

@@Xynth25 "some" implies less than half, in this case more than half (with only like 3 classes worth being unseen what so ever) of the available classes all have more self-contained trees not focusing on a capstone. even out of the 10 or so trees focusing on a capstone like 3 of them are class specific, not spec specific capstones. I am all for them having hero specs focusing on talents, but they shouldn't shoehorn you into focusing on one specific playstyle or other and if you don't than you are just playing with a hammer and screwdriver when you are supposed to be a carpenter.

[@Xynth25]

@@blackblade99009 I mean I don't know what to tell you...their design ideas are apparent. They want some Hero Talents playing a specific way. I don't think that's a bad thing. Clearly you do, but I don't see it changing.

[@swampylogs]

Can shamans borrow the warlock class dev for a little while?

[@IcyBonespike]

Still doesn't look >fun< to me. Would be cool if they experimented with like a giga dot you could cast that consumed multiple soul shards or something, idk. The spec needs new interactions, or MR just needs to be more satisfying to press, be it visually or gameplay wise

[@davidnorrbin8496]

Finally

[@ZomgZomg007]

conduit needs to be a bit more buffed for a capstone lol

[@s1os2s3]

If it gets buffed then it becomes mandatory.

[@Etensei]

@@s1os2s3 Not necessarily a bad problem to have for one of the 3 capstones to be mandatory, considering other classes also have one mandatory capstone but a ton of room to move.

[@martinjp6792]

People saying none of the aff complaints were heard, just because MR is still here are downright ignorant.

[@Reliquarium]

Sounds like the vast majority of Aff players want one specific thing, and Blizz just refuses to listen. And that's why it's been the least played DPS spec in the game for almost 5 years now. We. Don't. Like. Malefic. Rapture. End of story. Then they DOUBLE DOWN on making it the AoE spender, so we get to watch as the spec disappears completely.

[@Adam-bk9tt]

@@Reliquarium Malefic Rapture didn't exist 5 years ago. UA was the spender, look how that panned out. Completely useless in dungeons.

[@ChromaticEagle]

@@Reliquariumisn’t survival played less?

[@robertlipsey1160]

@@ChromaticEaglehe doesn’t actually know

[@jeffreypenkoff6178]

@@ChromaticEagle it's a perennial race to the bottom such that at one specific time or another, it's irrelevant which one is actually last.

[@Malix2238]

i can live with MR but shadowbolt is a dealbreaker for me.

[@acphantom6437]

The talents all apply to drain too so you can spec drain it'll be extreme close dps wise

[@TheRyoux]

People hating on rapture when this is much better than seed spam

[@drakeshock323]

I really like the rework, however at this point in time rapture feels to be the new filler with that kind of insane shard generation even in ST. Personally, I would like to see UA dealing more damage overall than rapture, but so far it looks definitely more solid than it did during Dragonflight. :)

[@SLSAMG]

Are we seriously back to hard casting shadow bolts? I'm so done lol.

[@Drakthus]

it could just be me but i think theres another spec that would be more suited to the name Hellcaller, wtf blizz lol

[@meattwinkie6208]

Blizzard keeps taking cool stuff away. There is no harm in keeping soul swap. Can’t say it’s not used because literally every pvp affliction is required to take it.

[@matthewshull9345]

Make affliction a dot spec. Remove malific rapture. Made UA the spender. That is all.

[@deckhand]

Don't say that man, your haircut is cool

[@ManaArcana]

Darkglare more like blankstare am I right xD

[@jupiterdreamer]

my issue is with shadow embrace , i want it gone

[@720vii]

Hoping for better visuals

[@Felixxfb]

Thank god Siphon Life is gone. ♥

[@deepzz4056]

W

[@Gowu26]

I think Hero talents and Affliction rework is night and day, unfortunately in the bad way. * I don't mind Seed of Corruption being out of AoE rotation, my only problem is this cost shard, this is cast and it's even there in talent tree. This will keep AoE rotation disgusting, but more of this will come into future. Unfortunately, with new Hero talents they took double step into it with Wither. Only option now would be to replace Agony with Wither and make Corruption easier to spread. * Malefic Rapture still scaling damage with amount of Dots (and/or not capped) is going to still overvalue talents which are adding additional DoT, like Soul Rot or Vile Taint. Would like to make it work like Oblivion, flat damage + modifier. * Being able to take most of last tier talents in sick, in bad way. More than 3/4 of the last tier can be selected, it's too much. In opposite, there are too many 2-point in below rows.

[@bloody1255]

doubling down on malefic rapture....... spamming seed in dungeons was so much fun

[@zak8991]

yea but having healer damage in ST felt like rank 1 depression

[@slipknotpurity00]

that 10 minute cast time of seed wasn't fun though

[@adriankovacs4133]

They didn't get rid of stupid Malefic Rapture, ehhh

[@Gigapally]

Its not much of an overhaul when MR (the most non affliction ability) is still the go to spender for shards and highest source of your damage

[@someoneonthenet1984]

can you share you elvui profile ?

[@fattymatty9319]

Is there a corner behind you? Your poster angle mixed with the straight bookshelf is tripping me out haha I know you just moved and are figuring out the new set up, not trying to be a dick

[@Kalamazii]

There is! lol

[@anormalguytrading2052]

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[@hansjohannsen9964]

Hello Mr. 0.75% playback speed - you urgently need a haircut xD

[@lojin88]

The Soul Harvester capstone talent - Shadow of Death requires Soul Rot to activate, and it is possible that Aff does not grab Soul Rot due to the new pathing. I wonder how that will work out...

[@ZomgZomg007]

i bet you either UA or Agony talents that generate shard is bugged with something like x100 of the actual value.

[@Zikkar]

Would not be surprised at all they were coming way to fast

[@Alinnagy88]

Now just need to get rid of Haunt (most useless boring and lame spell lock has) and it’s almost perfect .

[@VileVamp]

Feels like none of the actual design problems with aff really got addressed here. Bring back MoP affliction.

[@floodsye]

The only one that didn't is the Agony refresh, this tree completely eliminates the ST/AOE split profile problem and the Siphon Life GCD flood problem. You just want nostalgia bait.

[@zacharyiler136]

Change Oblivion to no CD ST replacement for MR and I'm happy.

[@zacharyiler136]

@@floodsye Yes and no. You will still have to refresh Agony in AOE, but with a 1pt talent every refresh will now do effectively a seed explosion around the target..... and with Hellcaller potentially you'll just hit Agony 5-6 times in the pandemic window and have a bunch of free explosions. It isn't "perfect" but at least now you are rewarded for playing the Agony juggle game.

[@alec_______]

"Bring back MoP affliction." ah yes the classic "i dont know what im talking about"

[@VileVamp]

@@alec_______ Factually the best version of affliction, if you disagree, your opinion never mattered.

[@omni4163]

I hate Rapture ... i want the Old Affliction back with Drain Soul Filler or Shadowbolt with the New Volley Procc....Rapture Rapture Rapture....omg..

[@ryanpower1291]

Some intersting changes. They are so smitten with MR its kind of insane. And the reason is probably they dont want to make a new button. Or maybe they are trying to make affliction more approachable with having just 1 spender? I mean it does allow aff to do a bit more aoe damage even on mostly ST fights because you dont need to take sow the seeds and what not for the stack cleave damage. Guess we will see how it works in function and this may not be the class set of changes of course

[@DRVSF]

I actually think the reason is that they cant balance dot centric classes. Look at what they've done to the others in recent expansions and how their damage profiles also moved away from dots.

[@ryanpower1291]

@DRVSF I mean sure. But that doesn't give them a free pass just because that have done a poor job with other dot focused classes. It's their problem to fix, not mine. But if I'm honest I think that whoever was the main person designing the dot focused classes left at some point. And ever since they have been struggling. Now of they came out and just said that, then maybe I'd give them a bit more slack. And I'm sure a lot of other classes have been having weird stuff as well, I'm just only really aware of the warlock ones so maybe this is a wider issue than I realize

[@DRVSF]

@@ryanpower1291 Dot classes have a precedent of just being busted and impossible to tune

[@s1os2s3]

Good, they solved or try to solve the issue I had with MR. The muddy waters of MR and SoC. Perfect. Now, with not being forced into ST or AoE I can enjoy Aff.

[@jethrodark2372]

Right!...i stopped playing Aff in DF cause it felt so bad to play. It was felt clunky with SL, i was a Aff player since Wrath only switching when it was nerfed bad. But in DF the damage was not bad but it felt horrible to play. Glad to see this rework but it still needs more, they need to remove Darkglare and replace it with something else or rework Darkglare.

[@s1os2s3]

@@jethrodark2372 Darksoul: Misery, perhaps.

[@jethrodark2372]

@@s1os2s3 that could work but that sounds fun, so thats a no from Blizz 😂🤣.

[@Woelock]

only way I'll enjoy affliction again is if malefic rapture is scrapped. Idk why blizzard devs like it so much, but ive hated it ever since it was introduced. I was hoping and praying it would be gone this new xpac but alas.

[@weez81]

they had it perfect when darkglare and soulburn? (the haste one) were the main cooldowns

[@davidw.5984]

still fel dom exists, shadowfury casted, multiple dead talents in class tree, 95% + mandatory talents in class tree - it really accomplished nothing besides gluttony capstone talent

[@taftvalue]

yeah shadowfury REALLY needs to be instant, come on man, a stun should not ever be a cast time spell

[@Krigzulv]

Was aff good in mop or cata?

[@taftvalue]

@@Krigzulv best time for affliction

[@FeralKobold]

​@@Krigzulvif you're asking because you're interested in MOP remix it's worth noting that MOP remix will be woth DF classes and talent trees, so you'll be playing DF aff

[@Krigzulv]

@@FeralKobold nah its because i remember that mop had instant shadow fury as a talent for all specs

[@MoeMoe-jg8cb]

Blizzard remove MR and bring affliction legion play style

[@flamberg9763]

legion playstyle was so boring back in the day, no thanks

[@municare]

@@flamberg9763 because you didn't have like 10 dots to handle and 20 keys to press? s up dude

[@flamberg9763]

Nah because u just drain 😂 and use artefact in between... Zzzz i remember how wierd it was ​@@municare WoD/MoP was BiS Gameplay

[@floodsye]

Despite what hate gamers (literally just play WoW to hate on it) are saying, this version of Aff looks good so far. Address all the major pain points of the split ST/AOE build, Siphon Life GCD overload, the terrible shard generation, and removes Seed spam (which is a problem more so for Blizzard, the second they buffed anything about the Seed build, Aff was busted in AoE and useless in ST). The single thing it doesn't really address is the disparity for Aff having to refresh Agony in between Vile Taints, but I feel like that'll be addressed as the alpha rolls onward. Guys, we're not getting some ancient version of Aff back where our DoTs do everything for us while we afk and run around like a BM hunter. Accept it and move on.

[@s1os2s3]

There is no such thing as hate gamers. They are just addicts that dont like the changes. They cant stop playing, so they backlash like Golum with its Precious.

[@Vivi-te5qj]

I can not believe they've doubled down on Malefic Rapture. I can't play Aff as long as it exist.

[@Adam-bk9tt]

You weren't going to play anyway.

[@FortisUrsus]

Came back to lock after years away from WoW. Used to enjoy the lower APM style of affliction so not super enthused with spamming MR between dots playstyle. Honestly prefer the siphon style from years back, but I’m probably in the minority there.

[@Stahurricane]

Warlock was my main, my favorite, from Vanilla. Haven’t mained it since Malefic Rapture… why can’t they just axe it 😢

[@s1os2s3]

If a spell makes you drop Warlock then you did not like Warlock. You liked Affliction. If you liked Warlock you would have just gone Demo or Destro.

[@tassiopbc]

while big stream drop videos talking is good or ok, blizz will do nothing =)

[@Stahurricane]

@@s1os2s3 “you never liked warlock if you stopped playing once they drastically changed the entire spec turning it into something completely new” for sure dude!

[@Zikkar]

@@s1os2s3100% this

[@DankMemes-xq2xm]

@@s1os2s3 Horrible take. If they ruin the design of your favorite spec / class, obviously you're not gonna want to play it anymore. I stopped playing DK after Legion ruined Unholy - Unholy was my favorite spec in the game, now it's my most hated.

[@flamberg9763]

i dont get the hate about MR ... its a normal soulshard spender... no more shadowlands gameplay (holding all shards for big dam or siphon life juggeling in dungeons/raids) I think this sounds very good so far. i also like when Fillers do dmg, i hope Shadowbolt do big dam :D

[@Adam-bk9tt]

Agreed. There's a couple of issues to work out for blizzard but they are moving in the right direction with Affliction. Been playing the spec almost exclusively since the start of BFA, through thick and thin. It really frustrates me how many people complain about MR being the spender when in dungeons it's been SoC all expansion and they STILL didn't play the spec. Smh.

[@BlasphemousVerses]

Really wish they would get rid of Malefic Rapture. It's the reason I don't play the DoT spec... because it's baseline and it's not a DoT...

[@uncleterb7128]

Anyone who thinks 5% shard refund is capstone worthy is a punk - Why not have the old capstone talents as choices for the new ones? Theres no need to get rid of them completely give me back my drain life option 😡

[@vinciux]

They added 2 talents which increase shard gain rate, and actually feels good

[@Enseria]

They need to tune it differently for the different specs. Destro and Demo have a completely different shard-economy than Aff with consuming multiple Shards at once with their spenders and each one has the 5% chance to get refunded. Aff needs more like between 10 and 15% chance for the refund to make it equivalent in value.

[@Reliquarium]

95% of the Aff community: WE HATE MALEFIC RAPTURE. Blizzard: We hear you. We listen. Now you get to use it in AoE, as well! Absolutely and unbelievably tone deaf. Guess they're alright with Aff being the least played DPS spec in the game for another 5 years. Sigh...

[@cheesey7395]

Wish they just deleted Absolute Corruption at the same time they deleted (reworked I guess) Siphon Life, talent is so cringe and they've already removed one DOT, and yeah like you said tuned way too close to this new Siphon Life now. Not like Corruption is hard to apply in any scenario, talent just takes away gameplay. Kinda disappointed in this rework overall, really looking for an excuse to play Affli again but at least Hellcaller looks super interesting. Seems like they had no interesting ideas so just slapped in a bunch of shard generating talents which already look problematic from this vid, and spending 4 points on Crit talents for DOTs... lol, just becomes 'pick one pick the other' due to the synergy. Am I wrong or are there far less talents in the bottom section than other specs? I guess the choice is more how you path there but getting 10/12 seems almost too comfy as you get almost everything and don't give much up.

[@bosssavage3325]

Make DoTs do Damage

[@pr0adam]

How incompetent are devs that they still have agony refreshing in aoe lmao

[@bosssavage3325]

Not gonna lie, the affliction tree looks really bland.

[@municare]

Why is Blizzard so stuck on Dark Glare? I don't get it... it's a shitty CD to press it has absolutely no identity especially with Aff. The only reason players are forced to play it is the dot extension. Wow then just give us a CD to press that extends dots because Dark Glares damage is pretty much irrelevant anyways. FCK THIS! 👎

[@Auyl97]

Played warlock back in wod/legion. Affli was my favorite spec back then. Took a break from wow and came back in S3, hate Affli in retail today. These changes is a step in the right direction, but needs more work done. Malefic Rapture itself is not a bad spender, where it fails is forcing you to have as many dots as humanly possible up on the target at all times. Too much upkeep, which is just annoying. Either draw back even more on the dots, or make Malefic Rapture tuned around a max number of dots on target. The AoE to ST problems seems mostly fixed with this. Well done Blizzard.

[@AlexanderForsman]

It's still unplayable for as long as MR is still there...

[@Zx17OPv57i]

Malefic rapture is the worst spell of wow since 2005 and they keep this bs in my god

[@dotftw1]

Fine but not as good as expected.

[@Goldhenning]

I don't look forward to taking 40% more damage from burning rush. Yikes :(

[@yazan80]

Revert to MoP

[@VividVoid]

They're almost definitely going to tune down the amount of shards flowing in considering how they neutered demoncore procs for Demo in DF. But damn, the Malefic Rapture haters are going to be even more upset. They double-downed on it and made it nearly the only shard spender. I'm mixed on the ability myself but don't outright hate it like so many others. I mainly just want Vile Taint to have a lower CD for less clunky Agony refreshes in AoE. Please lord. And also, more generic Damage increases in the tree? Wasn't the whole goal to remove those not add more? Maybe there's still work to be done though.

[@diegostrossen6751]

It doest matter how much you don't like the modern spec. If it sims better than the other 2, you will play it. Just admit you are slaves to the game and chill.