The Watchdog | Failed diversity intervention at Fish Hoek High | 10 November 2022

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[@sifundomqwala9595]

Afri Forum cant stand facts from Andile🤣🤣🤣

[@bafanamshengu920]

Black people who are busy voting for the DA are a lost case shame. The DA will preach the rainbow nation fallacy but when it comes to them choosing sides, they reveal their true colours. The DA is keeping the legacy of the National Party alive

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

Stupid, not lost.

[@msjamaicanliberianbuity9081]

Black first land first nuff respect 🙏 👏 my brother keep speaking truth to these criminals.

[@swz10]

*AfriForum should have sent Penuel The "Black" Pen to go try debate Mngxism Ideology and earn his stripes in that racist organisation.*

[@enmn6001]

Your Panuel is a product of Model C ..He was trained to defend white Supremacy.

[@alexdumako7924]

Exactly 😂😂

[@Cozy2961]

What a comment 😂😂 as funny as it is its actually profound 👌

[@thorisomndawe5909]

Kubo Andile Ayikhale 🔥🔥🔥😂😂😂

[@seanmakelana6103]

This lady is talking alot of nothing because she is playing devil's advocate without reaching a specific point. This lady is saying lets just listen to the perpetrator and not say they are racist because they did not disclose that they are racist or not before uttering a racist comment. Why can she not say the teacher was wrong to say X and this is on her to face and suffer the consequences.

[@Dinuzulu1879]

Andile feels the pain of the poor and hopeless

[@phumlanithabisomichael7725]

He is consistent in black consciousness i have maximum respect for this father the bikoist talk of all the time

[@kgotlaetsilemodieginyane7491]

By the way, I am here for Andile.... Leadership

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

😇

[@paper0126]

Andile dealing with them 😅🤣😂

[@shadewithtea]

I am glad Native South Africans are choosing to never forget what happened to them on their soil. NEVER FORGET. History repeats itself when people choose to forget it. I would NEVER be concerned with or prioritize the feelings of oppressors over the feelings of their victims

[@gysgijsbers4202]

shade withtea Could you honestly say that your people never oppressed or attacked any other peoples in the past or invaded other peoples territories? Is the thinking of the 1800's or the 1900's even going to solve the problems of a modern multi-cultural, multi-faith, multi-racial society in a globalised economy of the 2020's?

[@shadewithtea]

@@gysgijsbers4202 Wow! Deflection is REAL! We're NOT talking about the history of the WORLD we are talking about the history of South Africa & the WORLD was able to see the horrific activities that were actually occurring there & able to document them as they occurred. So when I say it's important that South Africans as a whole NEVER FORGET what occurred there I mean it in the SAME way that those who practice Judaism say it in reference to what in happened in Germany.. You teach this history to EVERY GENERATION so that it NEVER occurs again because history repeats itself with those who are afraid to face their history.

[@nonibbs]

​@@gysgijsbers4202 I agree, its a shame these self righteous folk don't seem to know much SA history at all.Shaka wiped out smaller tribes but this is conveniently forgotten.And there are other examples as well.

[@sazimemela7938]

@@nonibbs tribal wars in Africa were all about unifying nations and people , they were not based on greed, slavery and thievery ...

[@sazimemela7938]

Shade black south africans are yet to go through the pain of living without their slave masters, until now this is the most terrifying idea to even think about ...Black South Africans enjoy the best infrastructure in Africa yet we have the worst form of low self esteem in Africa...just to add to your impeccable contribution...

[@zandilemankayi888]

I've been trying to understand what Sara Gon's point actually is, I failed. She's playing safe, she refuses to say what she wants to say,which makes it even harder to understand what she is actually saying.

[@kaliko9622]

She is so inarticulate 🤦🏾🤦🏾 they really should’ve got someone else … she expressed exactly 0 of a position

[@nhloniphokhoza9949]

She is trying to justify the actions of the teacher, hence she is complicating the whole thing.

[@skimanization]

There's always going to be a problem of white fragility in South Africa because our black history cannot be changed and the truth should always be told at all times. I don't know what history white people are learning in the schools of our country, South Africa. They know where they are coming from and what happened and they should always tell their children the truth. Andile Mgxithama has said it all and that's what it is!!!

[@thorisomndawe5909]

Izwe lethu 🤚🏾

[@siphomaduna-theauthor8825]

The dustbin of racism should be a one way ship or plane to Europe, India and China.

[@wayooshi9913]

Thank you brother. Finally someone with an ancestral spirit

[@rsanews2409]

Now I understand why Andile left the eff= 2 bulls can't be in the same kraal. Black people should protect these 2 advocates of black people ( Maleme and Andile)

[@mogaumaboya3262]

Malema is nothing comparing to Andile

[@yoyo5050]

And he’s more uncompromising, which is a much needed stance in the South African context ✊🏾✊🏾

[@fin-rb3yz]

@mogau what....o twaela malema...

[@lesegoraikane9593]

Thanks Andile my leader we must go underground as young people and organise ourselves have serious army training and come back to fight for the land which was stolen.Thats the only reparation. This interview was only shot of JJ Tabane for that energy

[@gysgijsbers4202]

Lesego, you are already free and not oppressed, you have a black majority government in power for 28 years already. You can join the Defence Force if you really want training, but the whites are NOT your enemy, we want the best for our children, according to what we can afford, just like any other normal people & the best for South Africa across all races, the best for you too. Many whites, myself included, possess no land, are not rich and rent from month to month.

[@angelodoubel9653]

😂😂😂

[@thembi9645]

😂😂😂😂 Vuyo was never like this, it’s like waadliswa abe weak.

[@angelodoubel9653]

@@thembi9645 Why do you say that. It was a interesting debate

[@incognito3796]

@@thembi9645 he’ll lose ispani

[@swz10]

*After Mngxitama was spitting fire Mvoko completely ignored him and dedicated his time to massaging the feelings of that white lady.*

[@shakeswamoafrica8825]

Precisely.....he even dedicated and devoted more time to the white woman....he is probably afraid of losing his job....remember it is a white person controlling the narrative..

[@SydneyD28-6]

White sympathy as usual 🤠

[@qwabethemba3757]

ANC falied African people , put everything in order

[@SandileNtombela]

For once I agree with Andile Mgxithama, he is on point telling the truth.

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

For once?? That says a lot about your self esteem.

[@SandileNtombela]

@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 lol 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 wonder 🤔 conclusions you have formed up that brain 🧠 of yours that makes you assume to know a lots about myself esteem. Please do enlighten me whenever you have time, I would really appreciate to hear your thoughts. Have a day or night depending when you get to read this.

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

@@SandileNtombela I really wasn't trying to offend you, I apologise. I simply meant that if you find yourself agreeing with Andile for the first time today, then you probably feel black people deserve where they are in the world and that there shouldn't be reparations. That has been Andile's message the entire time, the party is named Black Land First South Africa so why would you be agreeing with him for the first time?

[@gysgijsbers4202]

No he is not...Lots of land belong to our black rural leaders, lots of land already belong to the state. The state employers (of which more than 90% are black) are well paid and have many benefits (their children are not underprivileged). There has not been 400 years of oppression, whites only crossed the Orange River in 1835 (only 160 years before 1994) onwards. King Shaka was still ruling KwaZulu before that. King Moshoeshoe was ruling Lesotho. Johannesburg is only 136 years old. BEE has made many black people wealthy too. Many whites are poorer than you think and possess no land either.

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

@@gysgijsbers4202 the point is you have years to pay off whether 500 or 136 you have a lot of years to pay off as a white person. Otherwise we will forever be at loggerheads but with the native becoming ever more radicalised, much like what happens in Palestine.

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

I thought this was another nothing burger but I saw Andile and I know he does not suffer from white terror.😇🥰😍😘

[@zukile7896]

The host like to hear himself. He ask questions very slowly and lose time in the process

[@Tselangwe]

We need a leadership that will deal with matters decisively, for example we deal with what it's in front of us, but ignore the principle of what creates what it's front of us.

[@Joedyd]

Andile won this debate on facts he articulated viva BLF✊🏽

[@vamangcobo7344]

Why is Mvoko choosing his words so carefully

[@incognito3796]

Protecting his job

[@zaminhlanhlasimphiwe1186]

this woman is happy by the looks of it

[@lufefekalipa580]

Andile is a great leader, not like ANC sellouts. He speaks his mind and pleases no one👏👏👏💥

[@angelodoubel9653]

Dankie Andile 👏👏👏👏😂😂😂

[@vamangcobo7344]

Atleast with White people we know they stand when it comes to us, bt there are other races here in SA who are Black for convenience bt Asian in reality.

[@incognito3796]

I came for Andile

[@Sp8e]

Andile is unapologetically black.

[@effsupporter6106]

What is the white person saying exactly 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sifundomqwala9595]

[@Dinuzulu1879]

Afriforum scared of Andile 😅😅😅

[@olafnilsen1641]

Other way round he owes them money

[@Dinuzulu1879]

@@olafnilsen1641 we are too nice to European settlers

[@georgedlamini8339]

@@olafnilsen1641 was the discussion about his debt to them or about a national issue that needs dealt with. That shows childishness in the other part.

[@ndwandwewasendwedwe7964]

Dutchforum

[@Dinuzulu1879]

@@ndwandwewasendwedwe7964 not sure why they call themselves afrikaners and why black people accept this… they are Europeans

[@jjwhitlaw]

Andile is leadership.

[@ignetiusrapelwana2208]

Black people r too nice!!!

[@bongumusamanqele154]

Too nice Ignatius. No matter how we're treated we still love and accept the other races.

[@nhloniphokhoza9949]

And when educate children about Apartheid and racism, we must not speak of them as phenomena of the distant past, but also of our present

[@lorriemamoet9406]

So a teacher made a raccist remark and children should be 'trained' for 2 hours. Take that same program and same presenters to parliamentmembers and present it live on tv for us to decide for ourselves.

[@BlackApache17]

Excuse me you don't pay high schools fees for diversity. You pay high school fees to get educated period.

[@phumelelomthimude8082]

This lady is laughing?

[@nellaqi]

Let me get this straight..... So because of my skin color (that I didn't ask for), because of a system (I never voted for or agreed to) and because of a land issue (I have bever owned any property/land and neither did my parents or grandparents) - I am now a racist? Regardless that I assisted in hiding people from police in the 1980's. Regardless that I have actively fought for a non-racial society. Purely because I was born white, because my children are white, my grandchildren are white and (as the gentleman so eloquently said) even the unborn generations are white - we are/will be racists, just because we are white? Who is the real racist here? Being white never relieved my poverty, my not owning any property or not having the funds for tertiary education. Even now, just being white is preventing me from getting gainful employment. How does that make me the racist? Could the gentleman please explain perhaps?

[@anelenyokana749]

You are not racist if what you are saying is true however in majority white people are privileged majority of people who are suffering poor are black seconded by colored people being not specific to you however majority of white people are still racist and you know majority of white people are beneficiaries of enslaving black and colored people and they defend racism till this date broer

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

This is not about you, this is about black people as a collective.

[@manyananihlwatika726]

I here you loud and clear it's sad what your father's and mother's did to Africans... It has absolutely nothing to do with you...

[@machibamaime4095]

You do not have to feel sorry for yourself.The racism spoken about here is on a large scale level.We know that Kim Heller and a few others are not racist.Majority of whites ARE RACIST.

[@lebohangmoloi6229]

It's a complete package unfortunately. All the goodies you inherited as a white community(don't look at it as an individual) has a price tag. You want to stop this? You should be at the forefront of the fight against white supremacy.

[@sthembisojwara4897]

Talk talk talk 😢 smh truth is we are lead by cowards

[@dengxiaoping7977]

Andile and Ndzongana are the best ✊🏿

[@thembi9645]

Who’s Ndzongana?

[@effsupporter6106]

You are crazy we share beautiful land🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sazimemela7938]

As a black child growing up in SA, from the age of 6 years , i was told that i cannot swim in a public city pools, not to sit on a particular sit in a train , that bus is not for blacks...the racist government never spared me because of my age..Why should white children not be told that racism is evil...??

[@gysgijsbers4202]

Sazi yes you can tell the children about what happened pre-Democracy, pre-1994, but what about now in 2022 in a modern (often crime ridden) world, is it appropriate to wish the same on whites, does that not make one just as guilty? Two completely different cultures met here in Africa and with all our troubles, we still ended up with a great modern country for all races to aspire their dreams in. I am sure your children are better off today here than in any other country in Africa.

[@fin-rb3yz]

Stop trying to end racism...fight for the land nd economy...cos the reason y whytes discriminate is becos they know dat they feed u...nd u cnt bite the hnd that feeds u....

[@gysgijsbers4202]

@@fin-rb3yz Stop fighting, period, stop wanting to take & start BUILDING...our majority black Government (State) already owns loads of land that can be used for upliftment & job creation. Whites are not discriminating...most of them are normal middle class, living from month to month, just like most other people.

[@siyabongakoyo238]

What I've noticed about debating with anger is that somehow even when you speak the truth you end up wasting an opportunity to prove your intelligence. I so wish Andile can debate calmly even when something in him pushes him to be angry.

[@galitpoole5048]

I cannot believe that this is the same school I went to.

[@Mark-Weshi]

I think the ANC doesn't really want to decisively deal with the racism matter merely because it was neutralized in the codessa process, neglecting the plide of the majority of black people. It was not meant to be a fair process.

[@nhloniphokhoza9949]

This black guy says it's difficult to see racism, I mean what is racism: simply put, racism is the systematic and structural exclusion and oppression of black people by white people on the basis of their skin color. So, tell me how is difficult to identify racist who acts based on this ideology. Andile gives us a brilliant example of this systematic and structural exclusion and oppression of blacks when he points out that whites are overepresented in the top management structures at the expense of black people. And white children directly benefit from this overepresentation, while black children excluded. There are many examples to prove that white children are direct beneficiaries of Apartheid and racism.

[@yamkelambovane7183]

Kubo Mgxithama Kubo

[@stylesving2245]

To achieve an equal and none racial society racism/xenophobia should be considered as crime who ever the perpetrator is should be held accountable and send to prison. Apart from that forget if you can’t get it.

[@juniormolefe3046]

CRT must be taught in all SA schools 🙄

[@richardmaswanganye9296]

Yes I agree with Andile w

[@richardmaswanganye9296]

I agree with Andile we like it or not the truth have to be told at schools

[@trustingnobody628]

The debate against racism causes head- ache. We have laws in South Africa that are tailor-made to deal with the matters of this nature. The important question is: From now on, what must we do to live together amicably and leave other matters to the courts to deal with. If our law dealing with matters of this nature is not enough, Parliament must re-enact more to supplement our current law.

[@incognito3796]

It clearly shows these laws don’t apply and favours so called white people

[@joannebottcher9779]

The teacher concerned never used a racist slur against anyone. The teacher was explaining that those words were hurtful words, which were found in the text set by the Dept of Education. She was found not guilty of racial discrimination.

[@ebenwiid7140]

They will not acknowledge this because it does not fit race hater's like Andile's narrative. They want excuses to hate people that does not look like them and then he wants to convince you that he cannot be racist. He is the biggest hypocrite alive, he actively promotes the killing of people because of their skin color while he is calling the people he wants to kill racists.

[@stanfordmaboya905]

But do u agree that there's racism? She might have not found guilty of racism, however racism in general is there because it's not first time Africans(black) people suffer racism in their own country by people who they gave them citizenship after their arrival in South Africa. Don't forget history itself because it's there for everyone

[@ndwandwewasendwedwe7964]

The Dutch racists at Fishhoek got angry when they were told that black people cannot be racist. They forget that black people are not taught to be racist. 'You cannot be racist if you don't have the power to institutionalize what you are doing to people who are different from you'. Jannett Elliott

[@ndwandwewasendwedwe7964]

@@MM-np4md Let us not downplay racism from whites. Yes black people have tribalism they hate each but that is as a result of racism from whites and colonisation

[@MM-np4md]

@@ndwandwewasendwedwe7964 I have accidentally clicked deleted instead of edit 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@MM-np4md]

@@ndwandwewasendwedwe7964 okay so yes I agree with you that mindsets were implanted and that as a result people were raised and are still being raised having a certain aspect of their world view that makes than think something of themselves. I think both sides were somewhat brainwashed, that the European descendents feel they have a kind of 'superpower' and the Africans feel they have a 'disability' but both are wrong

[@MM-np4md]

@@ndwandwewasendwedwe7964 and I agree, we should learn about what happened, about the "no black rule in a thousand years" kinds of mindsets that were there in those days, I know what you mean, but to say racism is restricted to just the people in power (and yes I know your situation is SA is particularly tricky compared to the rest of ours in other African countries) (and yes, I know that the Dutch outright took away land that wasn't theirs to begin with and then set up a system where 'property rights should be respected, when they just violated somebody else's property rights, is messed up, its difficult to deal with) I feel that those historical things need to be addressed, but I also believe you an I being human are not immune to doing the same evil that was done to our forebears, because we all bleed red at the end of the day

[@ndwandwewasendwedwe7964]

@@MM-np4md Yes you are correct. Whites here in South Africa are becoming more racist and arrogant everyday. You read Engish newspaper's it's racism, tv news channels it's racism. They operate exactly like CNN and BBC against Russia. They come up with these foundations that oppose everything black using courts. I really don't have hope because the educated blacks support them and the ANC is very scared of them

[@darlingtonmachilar6745]

Why is ending racism still a debate?? 🤔🤔

[@Sp8e]

This lady is not a well spoken person, she is also not a liar or a trickster.

[@lynngeer5714]

Let kids play together, get rid of poititions and let the engineers run the country

[@Sp8e]

How silly that guy looks with his hair cut to a bald

[@AsipheMlungu-zg6qj]

That guy on the screen said so much but said nothing...I bet you he couldn't even hear himself really. Just yup yep, he should be ashamed he's black at all

[@adampye1406]

Why is #SABC not stating that the teacher was found not guilty?

[@ebenwiid7140]

it does not fit the narrative

[@marabunya]

We don't care. We believe the learners who were there first hand to experience and report that racist's racist remarks in a place of learning.

[@ebenwiid7140]

@@marabunya so you are saying your mind is made up and you do not want to be confused by the facts.

[@enmn6001]

She is still talking about separation .that is what you teach your kids at home mam .. mara your hairstyles mam shoo! Joe Slovo is the worst example you can mention..he participated in the drawing of the very Constitution we are suffering from

[@mduduzimbonxa4677]

The racist afriforum is afraid of Andile's wisdom and how he continues to exposed racism that define afriforum and white racism in general.

[@ivileharmans5644]

We as black people have a long way to go shame, Vuyo I'm disappointed in you and that guy in zoom

[@makhosinidube7950]

Andile the only black hero

[@bhekikomape8434]

What is this gogo saying the racists people sent the wrong person

[@RonitaElease]

Inclusion does not exist... Wordsmithing always begins with qualifier statement to soften reality. Keep that job ...

[@galitpoole5048]

Whoever says that any race cannot be racist.. or that farm murders aren’t real should not be given an opportunity to speak. Let’s not make stupid people famous and definitely do not give them a platform.

[@Kush-Kemet]

What should we do with you, because you sound stupid😂

[@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087]

I think a racial debate platform is necessary in south africa. We should start with the citicens of this country first, before introducing it to children. This history of apartheid started 60 years ago. 30 yrs of an apartheid govt and 30 yrs for the anc govt. Many whites landed up in jail during the reign of apartheid before 1994 as they refused to join the army. My brother served three years. Therefor whites had no choice as to adhere to government laws. Apartheid and racism was created by our sa govt. This was dealt with in the truth commission of 1994 and reigns were handed to the ANC govt. Many whites gave up their positions through affirmative action and race equality. Saying that whites are priveledged in south africa because they own land, has nothing to do with racism. This is something our news media should address as misleading our young children based on feelings and not facts is like putting an innocent person in jail. Most white south africans bought land and obtained title deeds ownership. They saved for years in order to put a deposit down, and many still pay off on their bonds. What prohibits any black person from doing the same? What prohibits the government in handing title deeds over to people who received rdp homes. Most of the very wealthy properties in some areas, does not even belong to south africans, but to people from abroad. The problems in our country at the moment is our economy. There is no more work and eventually where are we going to be. Instead of teaching our children of all race economic skills of how to survive and build an economy, we teach them if we look at yesterday, this is hopefully going to teach us how to build an economy together, so that everyone can be assured of work one day and be able to afford buying their own property. Yesterday is gone. We have today. We have each other. What is derived from this talk show is that white innocent children are being labelled as racist and enslaved with an idea instead of teaching all the children of south africa, we have hope and with joy we will build a new future.

[@richardmaswanganye9296]

No I don't agree with this guy on the screen if you have never been with a white man for a time or work with you

[@joannebottcher9779]

The presenter read a poem which was very disresctful to Jesus and his followers, saying the Trinity were in a weird sexual relationship and the Holy Spirit, transgender. Not acceptable to disrespect any religion. Children were forced to be in this session and were told that as white children they bear guilt and are inherently racist. The children who were of colour and not black were told that they did not suffer to the same degree from racism. The black children lovingly raised by white parents were distraught and many children cried from distress. They were barred from leaving the venue. The entire situation was abusive in my opinion.

[@Moyopheus]

Why were the students receiving the training instead of the teachers? Also who conducted the means test to determine that the kids were "traumatised"? It's so silly to still be having race issues in SA so many years later when there are huge challenges to handle!

[@peterpooe3145]

Thats what happens when you take short cuts in life, 1994 was done the wrong way, sometimes one has to go through serious pain in order to benefit later, go look how it was done in Mozambique and other African countries which were colonized. The correct approach is to ask your oppressor to pack and go, can come back on another deal, that gives you power. One cannot sit down and negotiate with ones oppressor because your oppressor negotiates from the position of power, now we or our children have to redo everything.

[@mello4372]

AAndile is traumatized from apartheid. This is bout education nd not land issues. He thinks he's representing BLF in this interview.

[@Kush-Kemet]

Coloureds are Deputy Whites so your defense of whiteness isn't surprising😂

[@thandilexesi7952]

🤣🤣🤣😂

[@freddierobberts2011]

1 brain chommas

[@mariuskriek1420]

Bla bla bla bal bla 🤪

[@makhosinidube7950]

That's your level of maturity

[@mariuskriek1420]

@@makhosinidube7950 So what about it ?

[@makhosinidube7950]

@@mariuskriek1420 your stupidity

[@mariuskriek1420]

@@makhosinidube7950 Oh you mean your stupidity😂

[@colinhartley]

As a white, I benefited from my forefathers who invented the wheel many many years ago.

[@decalogueten]

You also concentrate on the issue of racism which while serious is not the most serious issue. The fact that the Trinity was blasphemed is the bigger issue.

[@cj-ze8bu]

Excuse me your Bantu forefathers also stole the land only khoisan is the indigenous peoples

[@siyabongakoyo238]

Khoisan and black people are all african people and no african people can steal african land.... you're just dividing african people because you gave them these labels of khoisan, blacks, hottentots and all these are all african people and they are found all over africa. Land thieves remain white and will forever be white

[@cj-ze8bu]

@@siyabongakoyo238 stop being dumb Africa is not a country anyone born in Africa is African be honest your people came here just look at what you said khoisan and black people so by your own words khoisan people are not black enough for you

[@cj-ze8bu]

@@siyabongakoyo238 khoisan is the name of our people how dare you steal our name we where the first freedom fighters you don't see us tell ING you Zulu is a dividing word you have double standard black when it suits you and khoisan when it doesn't

[@Kush-Kemet]

​@@cj-ze8buA goat born in a fish pond, doesn't become a Fish, it remains a Goat *Simple Logic... Non-Afrikans born in AFRIKA doesn't become an AFRIKAN...