The Weakest Boss Character In Fighting Games

[@lordknightclips7878]

Go support Daz is Bombo and watch the full original vid (and more) - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYWWe42uqKqJiJYsi=vrzLGSzbS9Gw9NTH EDIT - I trolled btw, she had invigorate in vanilla

[@DazIsBambo]

Thanks for reacting to my vid, this was a fun watch :D Though it's honestly hilarious that you forgot Hama, lol. I watched you beat up Elochai's Liz over and over, and then you're just like "oh she had more supers?" What a (loveable) mess of a character 😊

[@lordknightclips7878]

Yah I was flabbergasted lmao And I say it's my favorite game too🥹

[@shoe1784]

I am absolutely SHOOK at those DP explanations.

[@SkyGenz]

I really enjoy seeing you talk about P4A, I kinda wish you'd talk about it more

[@fortunes_youtube]

Quick thing on Margaret gatlings if you care. The change was losing 5B > 5A > 5B. She can still do 5B twice, but it has to be in a specific order like 5B > 5A 2A 5C > 5B.

[@lilibryant2032]

Hearing your confidence and expertise in games is always fascinating. Makes me wanna play these crazy anime fighters

[@Altra_duck]

Something else worth noting is that while invigorate is arguably better overall, Liz doesn't get any normal meter gain from hitting and getting hits in exchange (except bonuses like first hit), so while she gets more meter overall, she can't expect to get more meter gain opportunities when she spends meter like everyone else can, and since she's so reliant on meter to begin with, it makes pumping out big hits pretty difficult and inefficient while limiting how often she can get aggressive since she'd rather hang back in order to actually be able to capitalize on her hits. It makes sense aesthetically since these damage numbers are so small to her, but it also exacerbates her low health and bad dp by forcing her to face more interactions where the risk is naturally higher for her

[@friendlyghost9766]

@@Altra_duck ofc you're a bum BB player simping for Strive. Just as embarrassing as LK

[@MVKBPR]

7:36 To be more specific, vanilla Naoto's Mudoon had negative P2 scaling, which means that if it was used in the middle of the combo (as opposed to as a starter) it could turn even a mashed 2AA into a high damage starter, cuz it would roll back the scaling. It still had high SMP (scaling penalty for using the same attack multiple times in a combo), so you could only use it once per combo. In the 2.5/Remaster it only has 0 P1 and P2 scaling, so it just doesn't add any scaling (and on paper is like, the best combo starter in the game, i guess), but as far as i know there isn't any benefit to adding it mid-combo aside from the wallsplat in the corner, it seems like it's just a "cooler One More Cancel".

[@tronixchl2004]

Honestly if we're gonna talk about the og rpg, WHO TF PUTS ALL ELEMNTAL SPELLS ON THANATOS??? LIKE WTF ELIZABETH THAT'S SOME SUB-OPTIMAL SHIT, NO WONDER SHE'S LOW TIER. Also atlus is sleeping on making another Persona Arena with Arcsys, hopefully more like an all-star between SMT and all 5 Persona games.

[@Doktor_dooom]

And the fighting game should have the sticker of including dante from the devil may cry series and he is there and he had no trailer

[@axis8396]

I don't know about 2.0 but from what I've seen in the prior versions she's an HNK character. The entire gameplan is get a hit, mind charge, route into hama or ghastly wail, opponent dies. Very similar idea to pre-2.0 shadows like Akihiko or Mitsuru who want to build bar and meter dump for a free round, she's just worse at it because even when they didn't have bursts a lot of shadows either had tod's/near tod's with rampage or they were situationally good like Aigis having her spear super and not losing much damage since the meter build means she always has SB megido fire, or even Narkami and Yosuke who were still Narukami and Yosuke at the end of the day. Long story short her gimmick isn't worth a lot of the effort because the strong characters are more stable in basically every way and Marg exists if you want displacement and S.Naoto exists if you want tods

[@mct_3551]

Don't her pre 2.0 hama routes all require OMB as well?

[@Karzeon]

2.0 Liz is basically hit fear or freeze, get a reset, die. Or get a good hit, mind charge, stack poison, and do freeze OMC ghastly wail. Being pressured under fear is legitimate. Freeze restand is kind of a thing depending if the character can act. And other characters can still do similar things. S. Naoto and S. Yosuke can stack poison no problem. Either version of Yukari is Hokuto as a zoner with arrow combos that look like the daughter of dribble combos......oh and she has silence restand high/low into death...and corner crossups...and a strike DP. So another thing she can do compared to Liz. C buttons and Bufu are gorilla buttons that aren't as easy to break so that's enough to beat the weaker characters and rob the stronger characters sometimes. A few former strong characters in 1.1 are now just "good", "good enough", "okay", or completely gutted. So Liz has less competition in that aspect. She's dumber now but when a good number of characters are dumb in a dumb game and the player sample size is low, it doesn't matter. Some people will value her higher based on being able to randomly rob people from resets or reads in neutral. I still think she's just okay or good enough, and her weaknesses are bigger than her strengths.

[@OmnixTSC]

I really hope that if we ever get another Persona/Atlus fighting game, she comes back and can actually be strong for once. Keep the complexity there, make her weird again too, sure. Just let me play her in bracket without suffering. She's too sick to suck 😭

[@cloudtg462]

This video and your commentary took me down memory lane. Before DBFZ P4A was my favorite FG ever Please do more on this game LK. This video was gass

[@J0ulez5]

We sure we can say LK has no rizz? He's a lord and he's pulling empresses. Bro is cleaning up in these streets.

[@GanguroKonata]

No one with battle for everyone's souls as a theme can be low tier :')

[@UCDitto]

Junpei's Home Run Guage

[@DaikazokuThe505]

Shout out to liz! My second love after v.akiha 8:12 no one used it in comp play since its activation time is so long. And it goes away if you take any damage or even block! Playing keep away with liz for that long was unrealistic. So im not surprised you never saw it. Toward the end of vanilla's life people were using it in TODs where you juggle them into to it but you usually needed 125 meter and a OMB. A burst that she really needed for her defense lol 22:00 there was some strategies/gimmicks where you would MC early then use her healing super but your health regenerated real slow and if you got hit you lost all your blue health so most players felt it to risky for torny play. 22:50 Only played liz in vanilla. So I can't speak to ultramax. But her gameplan felt like 1. Fish with j.b/garu/zio 2. If you get a hit do a combo to apply fear 3. With fear your next hit will always be a FC, convert into 7k+ damage (fear also ment you cant tech throws, so her strike/throw in the corner was actually scary since it could lead to unscaled damage with coffin super) To me her closest arctype was glass cannon. A big problem was her only kinda legit reversal was mindcharge into/or coffen super. Mixed with liz's low health her TOD /fear combos just wasnt enough to compensate 😭 24:22 J.b truly was a scrub killer. Like 90% of my neutral was iad j.b the first year this came out. 26:15 he dropped the combo. The last hit of garu wiffed and didnt get the 2a pickup. Garu loops were annoyingly character specific back then. Feels bad man Love the P4A and Melty blood stuff LK. Miss playing you guys in the 8 on the break days 😎

[@luizfelipealvesfernandes3564]

Lavensa see you in disgust

[@BlahNetworkBro]

Hell yeah so many over looked black content creators in the fgc! Love to see you watching Daz, you should also check out Qmanchu, Mougli, and Scrappy Sensei, SleepyPipo, and Typhoon among others!

[@ThatGuy-Jai]

Ahh the Slander, she'll always be the strongest in my heart Queen E forever

[@therealHLY]

awakening for liz is 'good' but it's not good enough to make up for essentially turboing down to 30% life to get it. because yeah she's like, mid tier in awakening, but that means she's mid tier for 30% of the match.... and her opponents prolly better than that for th entire match. and even the awakening buffs don't really help her poor neutral or defence, because she just doesn't really have tools for that. awakening specials are all great for combos and damage and good oki after a combo, but what does it matter if this character can't get a combo. this is also why mind-charge or bust isn't really a great plan. its not like mind charge gets you much longer in awakening, and it put you in one touch range when you already suffer bad neutral and bad defence. may as well get what little ground you can before your in awakeing to better use the resource, since its very rare liz actually gets to recover any of the self-damage from mind charge

[@frankbucket2451]

Liz is good now! I think the general consensus is that she's one of the weaker high tiers in 2.5! (Or if you ask the labrys players, top 6 above mitsuru for some reason)

[@Kolos1001]

Never finished a Persona game