The week at Windshear: Supercars wind tunnel testing in the US | Supercars 2023

[@Ward1706]

I reckon, if this was done in the Gen 2 program, we would probably still have Nissan and AMG.

[@stein_the_lynx3284]

@@dazza8389 the ZB commodore (or should i say Opel Insignia) also didn't have a V8 or RWD model and it was in the Supercars championship for a few years

[@dazza8389]

@@stein_the_lynx3284 still would of won with a V6 lol SHYT a VB commie would beat today's mustang lol

[@dazza8389]

@@stein_the_lynx3284 thanks for your feedback pussay deodorant 🤣

[@stein_the_lynx3284]

@@dazza8389 that is one random and nonsensical string of words there. you having a stroke or something mate?

[@dazza8389]

@@stein_the_lynx3284 no matter how you badge it the General ALWAYS WINS 🤣

[@vlockley]

Good work Supercars. I look forward to some great racing in 24

[@nemesisf1]

Good to see but this should have been done before any competitive running took place

[@psk5746]

Yep. But of course GM seems to run V8Supercars ... bank accounts should be checked IMO

[@fliedlice88]

Supercars have just discovered the wind tunnel, a tool that has been used in motorsports for decades. And they made a video showing off how backwards they are. Nice one.

[@JohnRolyAU]

Why are the cars panel gaps taped up ? The results aren't indicative of the real cars with panel gaps etc etc.

[@WacKEDmaN]

they usually tape up the panel gaps... they been doing it for years.. they usually use tape that matches the livery, so its hard to spot...

[@ILUVsSUNDROP]

We need supercars here in the states

[@turbo_marc]

They tried in 2013 with the Austin 400 and it almost returned for 2014, but I think there was a scheduling issue with it and the X Games. With a small boost in American interest for this sport earlier this year (despite the whole parity fiasco) I'd say it's time to bring back a US race.

[@crazyworld7115]

So what was the base and who had an advantage? Seems to be alot of changing on the mustang? Where the changes to bring it back to the gm or bring it up to gm spec? Really need some answers to shut people up on both sides....

[@dazza8389]

LMAO

[@crazyworld7115]

@@dazza8389 GFYS

[@nickycrea6075]

the base was the final race (parity) set up, and Ford had an advantage under simulated breaking. I zoned out somewhere here cause it was going over my head.

[@gerardcrabb4556]

The Camaro has been the base all along they took rear aero off Mustang at VCAT and added front aero to the Camaro... In windtunnel they found rear aero down on VCAT data so added to match Mustang and revised Mustang rear aero to match...

[@Ochoduckie]

Excellent video, thanks for sharing. @NASCAR create more content like this? Please, if you see this, learn from V8SC on how they present the tech so well. Stop showing us how great it USED to be with the classics, start showing us what you’re doing to make it great.

[@michaelallen2501]

There's a lot of lessons NASCAR needs to learn from this series. But this ain't one.

[@dazza8389]

What ever happens GM will always rule ford 😂

[@michaelallen2501]

@dazza8389 they're losing to Ford in every way that matters lol. Sales, reliability, cool factor etc. Where's the GM competition to the Bronco and Raptors? Oh yeah, non-existent. By the way, Camaro goes out of production next year. Then what is GM gonna race?

[@THEROADSMITH]

@@dazza8389such great rulers they gave up on the whole right hand drive half of the world.

[@dazza8389]

@@michaelallen2501 a VB commerdore would beat to today's mustang LMAO

[@ascendanthunter]

This should have been done in the first place! better late than never i guess...

[@marksimpson2689]

So are the Mustangs going to get an areo advantage next season to make up for the waycthey were disadvantaged this year? 😂

[@jgonzalezvazquez]

GEN3 no ha logrado ilusionar a los seguidores en su primer año, aunque a mí me han gustado las carreras. 👍👍🇪🇦🇦🇷

[@psk5746]

Agree. It took too long to get them racing, the farce at Bathurst where the Fords had to run with a well known performance deficit AND we just don't give a toss who wins

[@zanonguascar7999]

BRAZIL ENJOY VERY MUCH SUPERCARS AND NASCAR!

[@zanonguascar7999]

Thank you all very much for the 6 👍!!

[@zanonguascar7999]

Thank you again!

[@3UZFE]

This is more interesting than the last Bathurst 1000.

[@shoot12ga]

So how much disadvantage was the mustang for the first half of the season last year? [Bathurst included]

[@jeremyzammit3051]

Will be interesting if they release the data to how much aero was different between both cars, hopefully before next season start. If the data adds up so both the cars are "equally" the same there should not be any word of "parity" again.

[@dazza8389]

🙄

[@collinsimmons7156]

They gave the comaro more rear down force and a bit more front down force and gave the mustang less rear down force and more down force and a bit more drag the funny thing is it seems like they took the mustang back to where it started, before the season started.

[@stgnsw]

​@@collinsimmons7156and how were the cars run for 90% of the year , did the comaro have a advantage ?

[@collinsimmons7156]

@stgnsw they gave the comaro more rear and front down force in the wind tunnel testing. So it should be faster next season. The suprise was it had less rear down force than the vcat suggested so they gave it more rear down force.

[@stgnsw]

@@collinsimmons7156 after they repositioned the Mustang rear wing and made it wider .

[@nigellutze9981]

I want a Mustang to look like the one in this picture next year. I will love it no matter who the driver is.

[@chrisbowden3069]

They should be taking downforce off the cars as a means to create parity. That was one of the key points of gen 3. I hope they were thinking about that when they were making all the changes cause in the video it seems like they were adding more.

[@TheMatadrum]

They still have a limit to the amount of downforce each car produces, but to make them comparable in a racing sense they need to make them aerodynamically balanced. The problem for a long time during the year was the cars had the same downforce but achieved it with a different balance front to rear. You could see this advantage in the ability of the Chev teams to conserve their rear tyres better.

[@gerardcrabb4556]

They need more for the super soft tyres to last on the rear...

[@lumber543]

Did they text the mustang before they gave update aro package ( I bet not )

[@stephenmalzard2053]

Great news and results our suspicions were right it's a shame this should've been done long ago right back as far as 2016 onwards 👍

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

These cars are great, but a part of me feels like it's a lot of work to basically end up with TA2 bodyshell on a better chassis.

[@colinmissen8702]

They should have tested the mustang aero that they ran at Bathurst, to see how much ford were ripped off.

[@slaps101]

They tested all of the cars at all of the different versions they had over the year The problem is super cars would never come out and say if there were any discrepancies, but I hope it leaks

[@waggaclint]

The big question is how close where they actually threw out 2023? Did the Chev have a clear advantage?

[@cptvane3439]

Should have done This last year

[@RACINGUS95]

Let’s hope these tests will make the parity more equal for next season

[@dazza8389]

Exactly ford cheated the last 4 races lol

[@Paul-ik8fm]

Why do you want parity, they might as well race the same car. It pretty much I the same car apart from the engine and plastic body

[@Redpepper7376]

@@Paul-ik8fmBecause the racing is really great when one brand wins all the races. Not

[@RACINGUS95]

@@dazza8389 can we not start this again please

[@RACINGUS95]

@@Redpepper7376 yeah, when the same brand wins every time, people get bored *cough cough* Red Bull

[@AviationPhotog]

Just a shame you waited until end of season to make parity a thing, 2024 should be a good even race by the sounds of it and will come down to driver and strategy

[@bighairycat]

It's a pity they rushed the cars into racing this year and lost so many fans of the sport that they will have to work really hard to get back.

[@zchettaz]

I think this is kinda pointless as it doesn't replicate real-world conditions in serveral aspects. First, the car/s infront will be disturbing the air that the subject car is driving into, so the flow of air hitting the front wont ever be constantly smooth or even unless you're in first position with a direct head or tail wind. (or in a controlled wind tunnel) Second, racetracks have gradients, inclines/declines etc., which change the aero, drag and downforce of the car at those said parts of the track (which doesn't get tested in a level surfaced wind tunnel) Third, (and i probably should have started with this as its one of the first things you learn in fluid dynamics) downforce is directly linked to air density, which is directly linked to temperature and we know the temperature of the track can be much higher than the ambient temperature. Without getting into the math, generally every 3°C difference will change its aero balance by 1% - this equates to a roughly 2mm difference for both the splitter on the front bumper and rear wing, therefore changing the entire aero. (again, this doesn't happen in a wind tunnel) As this comment is already too long, I wont mention the weight of the driver, fuel load or even the fact that a small crack on the front bumper from a nose-to-tail love tap will render an aero difference and making all this pointless.

[@angusmacgyver1390]

If you truly believe this was pointless, then you don't understand why the parity is used to start with for all cars By your information above, and If you understand the start of the video then the Mustang had the better aero package advantages to begin with particularly on the front splitter for all heights through the range, not the Camaro as the Mustang crews had been claiming to justify their changes throughout the season

[@zchettaz]

@@angusmacgyver1390 I clearly dont understand. If you want aero parity then do what nascar did and give them all the same shell. As ol' mate said in the video its like they're chasing their own tale, thats because changing one thing comprises another - so increasing downforce will help with cornering, but not top end speed as it generates more drag the faster you go. You only need to look at F1 DRS (drag reduction system) to see how much difference it makes. The overall point im making is that making these miniscule changes to have parity in a wind tunnel doesn't mean they will have parity out on the track.

[@102wingnut]

It's amazing that you're the only person to notice all that and even the engineers themselves never even thought of that... 🤔

[@dazza8389]

Different manufacturers Different shells wtf might as well get rid of ford & GM & RACE CAMRY's lol

[@Bdogg12784]

That guy looked really thrilled that the middle teams have a chance to win. Can't have the top teams that have the money not winning. Lol Greed is an awful thing.

[@rhettcorbett3346]

It hasnt worked. Chev still dominating.

[@Davdan-sy2qj]

With all this effort to make 2 models exactly the same for racing, what’s the point in having brands?

[@dazza8389]

Because Ford have always been shyt

[@garyford5589]

you need a bib you are dribbling falcon crushed the dunnydoor many a time

[@dazza8389]

@@garyford5589 shh ya ford flog 37 to 20 Bathurst wins happy to school you more but THE TRUTH IS GOING TO HURT YA FLOP

[@dazza8389]

@user-dc8fo1ii9j still 😭 flog

[@TommytheTurkeyYT]

Good job

[@FIA-F1]

Looks like nascar representive is help them 🤔

[@potaka79]

So we will finally have parody between the 2 cars and the good old boys club of SuperCars (GM Holden) can let them race.... Equally Maybe 😂😂😂 If you honestly believe there hasn't been bias one-sided hold of the top brass at SuperCars for the last 2 decades you are kidding yourself Runway testing 🤣🤣👏👏🤣🤣

[@sgan937]

Year last but better then never..

[@peterwilloughby1519]

The only thing you cannot do in either test cycle is see the change in downforce from pitch in braking as you won't get the transition of weight transfer as you have no body momentum.

[@T_Eighteen]

ummm. They legit replicated breaking and accelerating. Did you not see or hear them explain that?

[@kakswell]

@@T_Eighteen i dont think he did

[@stewm1267]

I really hope they're even next year. This year was embarassing.

[@bigredfreak2]

Honestly, how can Tim Edwards be a referee in this major step. Been team for decades.

[@Matthew-ll9ke]

Because he's a professional and knows what his role is?

[@drifty9684]

Do you know who he replaced? Yeah Adrian Burgess, he had also been in teams for decades so what's your point?

[@km6832]

Took a year for this and a years worth of drivers complaining. Do better supercars.

[@marioslider6337]

A year too late!

[@dazza8389]

🧂 lol

[@drifty9684]

@@dazza8389 you gm blokes were salty in 2019 and that parity got fixed quicker than this so what's your point?

[@dazza8389]

@@drifty9684 never whinged once YA FLOP SCOTTIE WAS TOO GOOD GREAT TO SEE HIM DRIVING A CHEVROLET IN INDYCAR NOW LOL

[@drifty9684]

@@dazza8389 hahahaha keep telling yourself that

[@dazza8389]

@@drifty9684 there ya go mate 🧂

[@WacKEDmaN]

about fooking time!...no more ford fans/teams bitching about parity after every race now

[@trevorramsay6728]

V8 supercars isn't what it use to be! It use to be GM VS ford and it was upto the manufacturer to make the best they could with there designs, now they are trying to make the same car! It's lost all that made the supercars great. You either were a Ford person or a GM person, now there is practically no difference. So sad!

[@adematthewsracing]

Manufacturers can't throw the money they used to at this sort of racing. These days, as happened in many series, they are far more likely to pull out entirely rather than spend to try and get back to the front.

[@dazza8389]

Exactly mate Ford might as well put there badge on the camaro lol

[@nicknick4660]

Too late Supercars, your inaction and incompetence gifted the Camaro a championship and Bathurst win. Will you even the ledger now? Yeah thought not. Perhaps an asterisk next the results of 2023 to highlight just how bad your decision making has been.

[@scooter0958]

This is just another example of Shane Howard’s era…… what an absolute joke that they tape up all the joints and put them together in the wind tunnel and make them the same!!!!!! Get off the Crack Howard us fans are not stupid!!!! This whole process is a joke SVG and the rest of drivers did also in the development stages AND YOU DIDN’T LISTEN!!! Get Larry Perkins and Ross stone out of retirement and they could of did this at a 1/8 of the cost!!! Shane Howard will go down in history as the muppet how destroyed SUPERCARS!!!

[@tangles444]

Like You would no more than the people that run the wind tunnel 😂

[@michaelallen2501]

​@tangles444 the problem isn't the wind tunnel. The problem is the people in charge of the race series.

[@TomF1F1Gameplaysandmore]

The joints are taped up, because it makes it less variable, and also would make actually putting your car together nicely an advantage

[@dazza8389]

Fords should pull out of comp they have always been useless LMAO

[@psk5746]

​@@TomF1F1Gameplaysandmorebut they race with this variable ... makes no sense to me to tape the seams up

[@Grant80]

He cars were equal before the season. Mustang had to drop HP which didn’t help us.

[@7071t6]

Why they did not do this before hand i will never know, i understand CAd drawings and computers can do wonders, but real world testing in wind tunnels like this tells the real truth, so Chevy has less downforce up front and also less downforce at the rear wing compared to the mustang, now this will be the real test at the next race and just how much better speeds and control the drivers will feel and track numbers as well ,compared to 2023 runs at each track, i hope skaife tells it like it is?🚓🚓🚗🚗🦘🦘👌👌👍👍

[@TomF1F1Gameplaysandmore]

The old owners wanted nothing to do with improving the series for the future. They wanted money, and RACE was stuck with D2H, which they’ve finally told to F off.

[@dazza8389]

Just another salty flop 😂

[@CamaroThings]

Thought they did in Australia in terms of aero testing prior to release.

[@Grant80]

@@dazza8389another high IQ respose

[@Grant80]

Roger wanted to years ago but guess who said no