The weirdest car logos & their hidden meanings!

[@carwow]

Answer this question: My favourite car logo in the world is... ?

[@Pa8]

Honda

[@opboy5107]

Op

[@mathewzachariah7897]

Toyota

[@philipnzuki8540]

*BRABUS*

[@mustafaal-aouchi8194]

Audi

[@Isaackariuki775]

Therapist: A smoking kiwi bird doesn't exist. The thumbnail:

[@evelinakhachatryan9345]

That's oddly specific but OK

[@MMAli-rq8kd]

@@evelinakhachatryan9345 You describe a nightmare to your therapist he replies with the OP.

[@carcrashcompilation9459]

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[@Thawhid]

@@evelinakhachatryan9345 true but ykyk

[@nassima2010D]

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[@schlusy]

Fun Fact: the Bentley logo isnt actually symmetrical, it has 12 feathers on one and 11 on the other side

[@bharadwajr3430]

Seriously?

[@TH3L3G3ND]

@@bharadwajr3430 yes because people use to replicate it and brand them as Bentley but now they have 12 feathers on one side and 11 on the other side so no one can replicate it

[@bharadwajr3430]

@@TH3L3G3ND Ahh interesting. Thanks for the info mate. Bet its useful

[@rakeshiyer5637]

10 on the left and 11 on the right.. Look at it again.

[@CRBMA7]

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[@buruchaga5982]

Even the carwow logo is suspicious now

[@car-enthusiast3141]

Carwow sus lol

[@car-enthusiast3141]

@Neel Javia and yiannimize is the second imposter lol

[@8.4_litre_V10]

*Mat was not An Impostor* *2 impostors remain*

[@raffipambudi]

They should change the logos to Matwow

[@car-enthusiast3141]

@@raffipambudi no catwow

[@diegonalbandian]

Alfa is the BEST, it's a f***ing snake eating a man 😂😂😂😂😂

[@baderbanizaid4141]

I've always thought it was a dragon with flames coming out of its mouth

[@dwade3202]

its not eating the man, it represents crusaders that fought in wars and it's a man coming OUT OF the snake.

[@jarnovangelder8456]

Well if he told the real history behind the alfa romeo logo the video would be at least 2 times longer. And the snake is not eating the man, the man is coming out of it.

[@franknoneli3750]

Kimi : Bwoah, it is what it is.

[@vasilharalampive2073]

should be a snake eating a wallet 😂😂

[@maartentheelen6549]

The Bentley logo isn't symmetrical. The right side has one 'wing' more than the left side. It was to confirm it was a real Bentley.

[@MrBLITZKRIEGWARRIOR]

I wonder how many fake Bentley's roamed the streets back then..

[@Mizori]

🎁

[@rakeshiyer5637]

I bet a lot of people will carefully look at the Bentley logo after seeing this comment

[@TirakyneTripleA]

Jeep: *One of their logos is just Jeep written on it and that's it.* Land Rover: "You and I aren't so different."

[@CRBMA7]

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[@Thawhid]

Lol

[@nassima2010D]

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[@TirakyneTripleA]

@Munshat Rahman It's just Land Rover written on a green oval.

[@frappey1]

Asinloveyunz.Link

[@TheSummoner]

The Volvo paradox: looks like the male symbol, sounds like “vulva”

[@hrhKR]

It has one cool feature more. If you follow the line of Volvo badge, then it will guide you to the bonnet catch. So you will never have to hunt for it furiously to open a bonnet. Just follow the line.

[@ChrisFalk2]

The line in the Volvo logo was originally there to hold the iron sign in place on the grill but has since then become a natural part of the logo.

[@tommyvercettygt]

Yes like MERDECES-BENZ

[@sergeyvetchinin4701]

…

[@NemUK]

While the “H” in Hyundai's company logo does stand for the company's name, it's also a stylized picture, a silhouette of two individuals shaking hands. Which represents the management and workers. When you see the logo embossed in silver on a vehicle's grill, the colour stands for its sophistication, creativity and perfection.

[@rakeshiyer5637]

I wonder how Mat missed that.

[@JochoPorocho]

Nice copy paste

[@kanishkguntaka6631]

@@JochoPorocho ha goteeeeeeeee lol

[@MrCypher096]

McDonald's: grilled chicken N grilled cheese. BMW: GRILLED CARS.

[@gfigueiredo81]

😂 hahahahahahaahahhahahahahahaahahahahahha

[@arrekingen902]

Volvo actually means” Jag rullar” On Swedish. That means “I’m rolling” on English. If you translate it from Latin to Sweden it would be “jag rullar”

[@TattvaRajput24]

Jag rullar more like Jaguar?

[@cmartin_ok]

And in Latin, it means "I roll"

[@arrekingen902]

@@cmartin_ok yea I mean I roll

[@arrekingen902]

@@TattvaRajput24 No haha😂

[@arrekingen902]

@@TattvaRajput24 It’s Swedish😂

[@coronafelon3000]

Tesla, the cutaway view of electric motor. Quite brilliant.

[@Mizori]

🎁

[@BRNOOB_]

Yeah!

[@LaudaMaestro]

Mr. Lamborghini is turning in his grave, “Ferruk me?! Hwat zis worde mean, Ferruk?! Ferruk you too!”.

[@neilsheppard6673]

Interesting video, many thanks! The McLaren logo has always seemed to me to be like the D from the Daihatsu logo.

[@alexbeckermiller5691]

You're welcome

[@gerrard1144]

Volvo's Symbol: Iron Man Iron Man: uses Audi

[@coltr7561]

lol Audi is girls car

[@mcfrisko834]

😉 Iron Man uses Tesla

[@kanishkguntaka6631]

@@mcfrisko834 yesss tesla and iron man forever

[@car-spot-one8271]

1:23 the bull is also positioned that way, because that bull had to attack the Ferrari horse

[@Mizori]

🎁

[@rakeshiyer5637]

precisely to headbutt the horse haha

[@dcarbs2979]

Also the stock market symbol for increasing value

[@jrr3558]

Hey, you made a mistake for Peugeot's logo. In fact, the lion represents the symbol of the region where Peugeot was born. The " Franche-Comté" . Sochaux is in that region.

[@Shizbazki2]

@Do One BMW logo really has nothing to do with propellers, wings or aircraft. The first BMW badge, was registered in the German Imperial Register of Trademarks, it retained the round shape of the old Rapp logo. The outer ring of the symbol was now bounded by two gold lines and bore the letters BMW. The company’s home state of Bavaria was also to be represented on the company logo. The quarters of the inner circle on the BMW badge display the state colours of the State of Bavaria - white and blue. But they are in the inverse order (at least as far as heraldic rules are concerned, where you read clockwise from the top left). The reason for this inverse order of blue and white in the BMW logo was the local trademark law at the time, which forbade the use of state coats of arms or other symbols of sovereignty on commercial logos. www.bmw.com/en/automotive-life/bmw-logo-meaning-history1.html

[@dcarbs2979]

2 of the wierdest / coolest logos: Armstrong Siddeley: A Sphinx. Some early ones are a full 3D model, like Jag's Leaper Gordon Keeble: A tortoise. Probably an ironic reference to their speed.

[@brokenboi3351]

Fact: Volvo's logo represents steel, because of Norse mythology. As a result, their headlamps are also shaped like inverted Ts, representing Thor's hammer in motion.

[@thebeastga535]

The name audi actually comes from the guy who founded the company, his name was August Horch. horch is another word for hör (hear) and the Imperative of hören (hearing) in latin is audi. Btw before you ask, horch/hör is an Imperative too, like hear is the Imperative of hearing

[@Tzekkie]

0:54 Wrong! Miura wasn't a bull name. It has the name of the ranchers who owned those bulls. (Eduardo & Antonio Miura)

[@ginggur17]

Enjoyed this. There were actually a few I was not aware of. 👍👍👍👍

[@8.4_litre_V10]

My favourite car logo is... We're no strangers to love You know the rules and so do I A full commitment's what I'm thinking of You wouldn't get this from any other guy I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you We've known each other for so long Your heart's been aching, but You're too shy to say it Inside, we both know what's been going on We know the game and we're gonna play it And if you ask me how I'm feeling Don't tell me you're too blind to see Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you (Ooh, give you up) (Ooh, give you up) Never gonna give, never gonna give (Give you up) Never gonna give, never gonna give (Give you up) We've known each other for so long Your heart's been aching, but You're too shy to say it Inside, we both know what's been going on We know the game and we're gonna play it I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

[@coronafelon3000]

Viper TheLegend one hit wonder!

[@lj2684]

I just got rickrolled 😆

[@8.4_litre_V10]

@@coronafelon3000 but his one hit was so big it compensated his entire career.

[@8.4_litre_V10]

@@lj2684 finally, someone who doesn't rage when they get rickrolled 👊

[@GongChaLover]

7:24 Holy shit I was NOT expecting for a British man to make this joke 😂

[@CRBMA7]

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[@kennedy5097]

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[@flyingpaschi9836]

Did you know, that you can easily remember, where the blue and white parts in the bmw logo are, by saying the *b*lue part is under the b, the m is in the *m*iddle, an the *w*hite part is under the w. And I think that you could say, that the modern mclaren logo seems to be inspired by the headlight

[@escupudantayk8928]

I will never be able to unsee the man being eaten whenever i see an alfa from now on will keep a safe distance

[@yurielcundangan9090]

Carwow Intro: "Domino EFFECT" Matt: "It does matter when the CAR's price point was affordable"

[@amitthakur8162]

Volvo sign also represents a 3 point seat belt if you look carefully which was invented by volvo

[@jacobthigpen9381]

I’ve always wondered if there’s a specific reason why Chevy chose the bow tie logo. I remember learning that Cadillac is named after a Frenchman who founded the city of Detroit, Michigan. I assume the logo (particular the old one) represents his family crest.

[@kennedy5097]

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[@joydeepsharma1]

@Matt Watson, TOYOTA Symbol actually Symbolises "Thread & Needle". They started as a Loom Manufacturing Company & still makes good Textile Sewing Machine's that are impressive.

[@ASPthespeedyboy]

Koenigsegg's logo is the Koenigsegg family's coat of arm

[@Normalaatsra]

They also have a cute ghost logo that represents the Swedish air force squadron they've occupied their old airplane hangar for their production factory.

[@ASPthespeedyboy]

@@Normalaatsra yes, i know.

[@freakeasia]

Isn't it funny how Mercedes logo means domination of land sea and air but they don't even have any relationship to planes nowadays

[@pre-d]

10:00 but keep it paused and look at Mat's face

[@giannisdiamantopoulos2747]

Plz a drag race with the urus , dbx, modelx p110d , bentayga, cullinan

[@janbarrettnielsen2559]

Not forgetting that "Horch", which was one of the 4 companies merging into AUDI means "listen" in german - and "AUDI" means "hear" in latin - so there's some sort of idiomatic coherence in the union of the 4 brands - and there's 4 rings in the AUDI logo which goes along with the 4 letters in the logo. Nerdy stuff, I know.

[@coronafelon3000]

Jan Barrett Nielsen you neglected DKW and Wanderer.

[@wadewillson701]

Love from india

[@noidontknowyou5779]

Curry curry curry

[@maanavtriestuff]

Same

[@CaptainBlitz]

Here's a nerdy fun fact: the BMW logo also looks like the center of gravity symbol, which is appropriate considering we're talking about pretty sporty over-engineered cars

[@dhanushbalakrishna7300]

Never knew that even Toyota's logo had some meaning , that blew my mind

[@fggaming6258]

😂

[@toxichater3874]

Isn’t it the t

[@dhanushbalakrishna7300]

@@toxichater3874 well the whole name is there in that t , which most of em didn't know .

[@toxichater3874]

@@dhanushbalakrishna7300 oh yeah just watched the video yeah that’s cool

[@Rahul-zo2rz]

No it's wrong. Toyota started as a textile company. It's actually a needle with a thread into it.

[@tommyvercettygt]

So basically Jeep doesn't show his logo on his cars because the front grill IS actually the logo. How cool

[@jacobus2725]

BMW could do that with their grill😂

[@tommyvercettygt]

@@jacobus2725 you are asking them to make a rounded grill? 😂

[@punjabob]

**me finding out that lamborghini's whole brand is my zodiac sign**

[@Trija204]

0:04 not every car brand has a logo, Isuzu actually doesn’t have a logo, it’s just the name itself. Though they used to have a logo in the 80’s

[@Harribelt]

That’s still a logo

[@rossp446]

Ahhh the “Growler” 🤓😝😂😂😂😂

[@CRBMA7]

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[@mrguest3749]

i am going out to wack the growler - James May

[@jpchevy440]

I always wondered if Toyota ever meant something that's a good one there mate learned something new this morning. All the way from North Carolina.... 🤙

[@Mizori]

🎁🎁

[@joeltorrisi9035]

When you look at the Genesis grill and lights, it's supposed to match the logo. The lights are the wings and the grill is the shield.

[@CRBMA7]

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[@waleedwaheed4880]

Actually BMW logo if you look closely letter ‘B’ is just above the colour blue and ‘M’ is in the middle and ‘W’ is just above the white colour :)

[@CRBMA7]

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[@ovrkillofficial]

Actually the BMW logo was said to be a propeller because they would've been persecuted if they said that it was the Bavarian flag, due to the split of Germany during the World Wars

[@CRBMA7]

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[@pre-d]

Me: stops at carwow twice Mat: So what exactly happened

[@reviewdudersa3316]

South Africa 🇿🇦 loves Carwow 👍🏾

[@maxdoyle3583]

Bentley has a different number of feathers on each side of its logo. People used to copy their logo and didn't count the number of feathers so they would then be spotted as a forgery.

[@abhishekaggarwal5547]

Sir plz make a video on Range Rover Vogue SV Autobiography

[@AreaofInterestTV]

McLaren is Squashed Kiwi 🔥🔥🔥👌

[@Mizori]

👍

[@Mizori]

Hi ❤

[@rmnkhr]

5:23 i have to stop you there. Alchemy is the science of understanding, deconstructing, and reconstructing matter. However it is not an all-powerfull art. It is impossible to create something out of nothing. If one wishes to obtain something, something of equal value must be given. This is the law of equivalent exchane, the basis of alchemy. There is a taboo among alchemist. Human transmutation is strictly forbidden. FOR WHAT COULD EQUAL THE VALUE OF A HUMAN SOUL

[@alimzazaz]

Mat : "Most gear have straight teeth" Me "WrOnG mAtT, mOsT gEaRbOxEs UsE hElICaL/sLaNtEd GeArS"

[@car-enthusiast3141]

I read that in bladed angel voice lol.

[@rebelojt]

Missed opportunity to explain that Alfa (Romeo) was an acronym for Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili and that the "Romeo" came from one of its Directors, Nicola Romeo, in the 1910's.

[@bbsingh7554]

8:25 Manchild.exe 😂😂😂😂😂

[@hawkiyc]

Wait..... スバル is pronounced “ Subaru” and means Pleiades in Japanese. Besides, Pleiades are around 6 to 7 star on bare eye, and that is why there are six stars on the logo.

[@4nglez107]

Thumbs up if you want a Hypercar drag race! 👇

[@erikw8350]

Since I am a swed I have to bring up some interesting things about our car brands. Volvo actually stands for “to roll around” in Ancient Greek and “to roll” in Old English. Koenigsegg does also have a family shield and a ghost to commemorate the Saab Vigen fighter jet in the Swedish Air Force. Saab have a griffin on their logo that is linkt to it’s fighter jet brother. The griffin has been lent to Scania which also have the peculiar name which in Latin translates to the region of the south most part of the country, Skåne. Hope I got the facts straight!

[@Mizori]

👍

[@charleschin2612]

Very interesting and informative ,keep up the good work and reviews always peace

[@Mizori]

❤

[@jeremiahrowe1530]

The Toyota logo is actually the hole in a needle and a thread going through it, it represents Toyotas heritage from starting out as a sewing machine company before they started manufacturing cars.

[@AutomotiveAnatomy]

BMW: logo for car BMW really means cooling issues.

[@coltr7561]

yeah warping block heads

[@cigarjefe]

Yugo has the best logo.

[@car-enthusiast3141]

Well I know about the mclaren logo related to a kiwi because I'm a mclaren fanboy and i also know that from *TOONED 50* Anybody knows that show 😉 ? Ahh the good ol days.

[@TH3L3G3ND]

yup I know that show

[@car-enthusiast3141]

@@TH3L3G3ND professor and the little old man at the finale of the tooned 50 was I think the final episode and my favorite character was Mika haikkenen and loved the part when Lewis jamilton turned into Perez at the virtual reality center lol.

[@Ali_Ercan]

Another great video. Thanks Matthew.

[@alphaish474]

Looks like he is "logoistic"😂😅

[@Mizori]

👍

[@suggi222]

1:08 you said mumbo jumbo, one of the best minecraft channels and one of the best minecraft players, but less better than your channel. well, carwow is my favorite car channel and website!

[@sohan2604]

7:29 me after eating my uncles special sugar.

[@kantaverma5970]

Know about the Koenigsegg logo and dodge logo

[@sanskarmohanty9939]

7:12 top gear ?? Where did that come from ?

[@Mizori]

🎁🎁

[@seriousone44]

Vauxhall is just British name for Opel right?

[@hansdietrich83]

Yep

[@seriousone44]

@@hansdietrich83 Thanks

[@morgan2958]

No, Opel is foreign for Vauxhall 😂😂😂

[@hansdietrich83]

@@morgan2958 nope, Vauxhaul is a daughter company of opel

[@dcarbs2979]

@@hansdietrich83 Being founded in 1857, Vx is the older company

[@sutsujk8750]

Fun fact: Tesla car logo is a single rotor from a cross section of an electric motor. Or the Nose of a kitten...you decide XD

[@alienfromarea-5196]

Or it's the shape you get when the doors of the tesla are up

[@VincentVAW]

The lines in the Volvo logo are there because they needed to hold the logo in place on the massive radiator grill from the cars back then. So they reached to the sides of the grill.

[@idknils2920]

The Mercedes logo is also a all sided star. You can turn it and there is always one side up.

[@Mizori]

🎁🎁

[@CRBMA7]

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[@gokulakrishnan1341]

in BMW's Symbol B is placed near Blue color W is placed near White Color M is placed in (M)iddle of Blue and white

[@xXMrFreshIceXx]

Can we see a gt black series drag race with maybe a 765lt

[@Mizori]

👍

[@abhadwivedi6381]

9:09 that wasn't just you Mat t I saw that too

[@sepehr_moghani]

3:45 “started it all” 😁 haha

[@Mizori]

👍

[@jameswilks3266]

What about the Skoda logo? Some sort of hedgehog or cockerel head that has been shot with an arrow?

[@MrDamo1245]

“lamborghini has a Bull, it’s better than having a sheep or a pig...” *Me being an Aries ♈️ 🐑* 👁👄👁

[@ryanfrisby7389]

Awesome video Mat, this was interesting!😸

[@washingtonsilva6567]

Mais um ótimo vídeo.🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@Mizori]

👍

[@CRBMA7]

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[@kaffekoppteiskrem]

I'm Norwegian, so I will just say that Rover had the coolest car logo by far!

[@simon_sky]

Would love to see a drag race with the new Corvette vs. RS6 vs. M5 and Maserati Quattroporte

[@paddyb5000]

Liked the video bar the 5 adds in it!

[@alexbeckermiller5691]

I will advise you invest in crypto with manager Brooke and earn huge like I do with his Strategies

[@alexbeckermiller5691]

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[@farishani4707]

Didn’t know there is a car manufacturer called abart😂😂😂😂

[@hansdietrich83]

?? That's the correct pronounciation

[@Cosmo95_]

Called Abarth pronounced Abart. They modify make the faster fiat 500’s you’ve probably seen one before.

[@troll2637]

@@Cosmo95_ kinda like brabus to mercedes and abt to audi. Polestar to volvo......

[@farishani4707]

@@Cosmo95_ ik but I didn’t know that abarth was pronounced abart

[@farishani4707]

@@hansdietrich83 I didn’t know that mb

[@MrSpencely]

The Toyota logo is actually the head of a needle with a thread passing through it, a reference to how they began, making sewing machines.

[@chrisnorris1383]

McLaren 765lt vs porsche 911 turbo that would be such a good race

[@Mizori]

🎁🎁

[@gssf.gr29]

I wouldn't say Bugatti just write their name on the logo. they have that weird "EB" logo just above the name. I always thought Lamborghini had a bull because it was associated with fields - Lambo originally built tractors. Technically, Ford do have 2 logos, the oval and the long large F O R D thing you get on larger cars like the F150. It was used on cars and trucks (that's lorries, not pick up trucks) in the UK for a period back in the 1970s when they didn't use the blue oval at all. Jaguar also have 2 logos - the growler and the leaper. In some areas they just use the wordmark separated from the leaper, so it could be argued that they actually have three - or even four if you count the old "lozenge" logo that is still used on some retro marketing products.

[@slapshot0074]

Always thought the mclaren logo,as well as being dull,looked like something you'd see on star trek uniforms.

[@maddox471]

8:56 there on about there f1 cars that have air in that shape appear on the rear wing at high speeds

[@ajaykrishnan2942]

Could you do the first drive of 2021 Ford f-150

[@ericworthington7299]

My mail Jeep (73 AM General Dispatcher 100 RHD) has 5 slats in the grille...

[@burnzy3210]

"mitsubishi" is japanese for three diamonds, which is their logo

[@CRBMA7]

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[@betreadam1267]

Toyota's logo is also a throw back to their start in manufacturing sewing machines you know the thread through the eye of the needle.

[@Ruggero_tozzi_spadoni]

Ferrari Their logo is copied from a drawing on a plane of a Italian war hero

[@leaferrafael]

4:56 That one is not symmetrical. Don't believe? go ahead and count the feathers.

[@lisalock8009]

Hyundai is apparently 2 people holding hands, Dave& Lisa south wales.

[@loyallion6477]

You forgot Koenigsegg, thats a pretty cool logo with good history

[@karolinadebczynska]

Please review the Cupra Formentor!!! I'm waiting!

[@gameplayer0534]

You missed the ferrari story with the derivation of the horse from Stuttgart. For who doesn't know the prancing horse of ferrari derived from the prancing horse of a general of Stuttgart aviation, that was defeated by the count of Modena. Then he died. When the news of ferrari starting near Modena came out, the wife of the countess of Modena gone to Enzo Ferrari's house and she asked that the prancing horse of the plane that his husband defeated was gonna be in the ferrari logo. And Enzo said yes. That's why porsche and ferrari have the same horse. Fun fact: it's actually a female horse.

[@coronafelon3000]

Game player 05 it could be a gelding, in which case both had their balls cut off?