The West knows nothing about the Palestinian struggle | Judith Butler on Israel Palestine

Judith Butler joined us for a wide ranging interview on the release of their new book Who's Afraid of Gender?
During the conversation, the philosopher shared their views on the ongoing bombardment of Gaza by Israel, and how the global community is failing to effectively address the perennial conflict.
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[@PoliticsJOE]

Watch the full interview with Judith Butler here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnLYnWOsjK6Zisk

[@lovepeace4065]

Correction- western governments knew and know. Western ordinary people didn’t know and it didn’t start October 7.

[@ronmayer3655]

So true. The Arabs have been trying to kill the Jews for decades. If they only lef the Jews alone and allowed them to live in their ancestral home land what a beautiful place the area would be for both Israelis and Palestinians.

[@60asteroid]

A lot of Black Americans did . . . activists, the Black Panthers, even Black political leaders started to make Palestine a part of their platforms in the early 1970s

[@khaledzurikat7190]

ante one little correction for this amazing writer/ Even when Palestinians say “we killed jews” it is NOT antisemitic. Palestinians simply refer to the Israelis as Jews it is synonymous and Palestinians don’t use the word Israelis. It just happened that the colonizers are ALL Jews, if they were Buddhists they would not say Israelis they would say the Buddhists. When their land was stolen in 1948 the thieves themselves self identified as Jews. Palestinians still have their land stolen from the Jews and they will never concede and call them Israelis and consequently accept they take their land . it’s in the core psychy

[@hasanhasan8341]

Palestinians are Semites

[@contact594]

Can I ask why the resistance fighters slaughtered 39 Thai citizens and kidnapped others, also murdered Filipinos, Africans, Bedouins, and Israeli Arabs? Clearly they weren't European occupiers.

[@paulamarsh1]

Hatred is in the core of Arab Palestinians. Zuheir Mohsen of the PLO: "The Palestinian people does not exist … there is no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese", though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for political reasons. In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw he stated that "between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons"...

[@paulamarsh1]

True.. most Israelis are Mizrahi. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Morocco Turkey Iraq Syria Yemen in 1948. They came to Israel. It has been calculated that these Jews left behind property and land that was four times the size of Israel!

[@el_naif]

Nop, they hate Jews specifically, theologically.

[@leslenedella-madre]

Why is it only hamas who needs to "lay down their arms?"

[@KarakuraNinja]

Because our leaders are fucked up and brainwashed by israel

[@el_naif]

Cause it’s a terror designated organization.

[@booz394]

Because then there would be peace

[@andreaslindell]

@@booz394 So if Hamas lay down their arms, Israel will end their illegal occupation of Gaza and the West Bank? It is equaly easy to say that if Israel stopped their discrimination of Palestinians under their control and ended the occupation, resistance and Hamas would cease to exist.

[@booz394]

@@andreaslindell nope. There is no illegal occupation. Jews are on their ancestral land. The Arab colonialists can either learn to live in peace or go back to Arabia if they not happy . Either way their pathetic violence will not be tolerated

[@tal-lancer]

I'm actually quite stunned - even though perhaps I shouldn't be - how after all these months, Oli Dugmore just doesn't get it.

[@yassinroy]

The poor woman uses words with extreme caution, because of her fear of the influence of right-wing lobbies... but despite that, she succeeds in conveying her idea that stems from the principle of equality between human beings.

[@hakanozaslan9571]

I had to read their* texts for Uni in several of my classes (I got a BA in English and American studies) They have ALWAYS used words with caution as they want to be as precise as possible. Believe me, they had to face right wingers ever since their book "Gender Trouble" so thats not an issue here. *They don't identify as a woman so I use they/them pronouns

[@shehannanayakkara4162]

What influence do right-wing lobbies have lol? She's not a politician, she has nothing to do with lobbies.

[@Bewareinjustice]

​@shehannanayakkara4162 Susan sarandon has been fired from her agency because of her public statement for palestinians' rights, journalists have been cancelled, some actors expelled from projects, accused of antisemitism, culture cancel, etc....

[@userxyz64]

​@@hakanozaslan9571I agree with her on Palestine not not on gender. Who knew?

[@zaidasedien2808]

Love listening to Judith. Thank you. Much respect South Africa 🇿🇦

[@goldenhourg]

Judith butler is an ICON

[@annchendoherty9558]

As a proponent of non-violence, Judith Butler, how do you propose that the Palestinians in Gaza respond to the genocide being imposed on them?

[@aloe_vera3740]

I think you can be a proponent of non-violence without condemning Palestinians for reacting with violence. Hamas should not have gone after civilians, but I still don’t condemn them because this should have been solved by the international community a long time ago. We failed the Palestinians so they took matters into their own hands

[@donnavorce8856]

yep

[@donnavorce8856]

Well said. @@aloe_vera3740

[@el_naif]

@@aloe_vera3740 Mental gymnastics are useful for openly supporting terrorism while appearing civilized.

[@akshayneha]

@@aloe_vera3740please don’t say you’re a non violence proponent in that case. Like you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

[@joaomiguelxs]

How hard is it to have a Palestinian activist speaking of Palestine?

[@beniluv3250]

Because they speak against Hamas, and it doesn't match the pro-palestine agenda.

[@halakurshov1380]

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!! Bassem Yousef is as far as they go.

[@MarianneExJohnson]

Impossibly hard, apparently, because the Western media never, ever do it. (BTW Bassem Youssef, god bless him, is an Egyptian, and besides, they should let actual Palestinian *leaders,* or at least official spokespeople, speak for their own side.)

[@marionanderson7059]

What is clear is that lessons haven't been learned from previous conflicts. Netanyahu thinks he's the new Ben-Gurion, acting like it's still 1948, but the world has moved on.

[@juliaeberle4095]

diplomatic means and peaceful demonstrations have not worked. How long do you suppose they stick with these means, and which honest person think peaceful means will ever get Israel to do anything other than stealing more land? When Palestineans had the right-to-return peaceful march, Israel had the tactic of shooting so many knees to disable these demonstrators--utter horror.

[@diamondgirl7377]

why do so many people commenting have bottoms for they profile pic what the hell is happening?

[@thejoin4687]

AI is a powerful drug

[@StuntpilootStef]

You're early, that's when the porn bots come out.

[@weswheel4834]

Seems to be a bot that posts random and unconnected comments on a bunch of different youtuber's comments. No idea why.

[@seafoodpizza]

Just keep reporting them. These bots are a nuisance

[@Half-Vampire]

AI is taking over and they know what men like.

[@julianayoshida5603]

Thank God we have Judith Butler! 🙏

[@naymatunc-rc6vs]

Imagine the palestian people have to deal with this for a century the palestian people are really the strongest people on earth with dignity and honour they deserve to be free

[@maskellmaolseachlainn6347]

Tweaking the vid's title so it's more accurate: 'The West - excluding Ireland - knows nothing about the Palestinian struggle'

[@el_naif]

The East - excluding Iran - isn’t lifting a finger for Gaza, cause they know about the Palestinian idiosyncratic setup.

[@talibshah9210]

@@el_naifIran is supporting the resistance with everything possible!

[@user-sd3ik9rt6d]

Everyone needs to understand why terrorists become terrorists.

[@IcarianX]

The refusal to question the cause of terrorism has had a profoundly negative effect on foreign and domestic policy discourse.

[@sciencefliestothemoon2305]

Becaues God told them to?

[@IcarianX]

@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 No.

[@louisjefferies2733]

They hate Jews that's why

[@GracePew-ek3rm]

Everybody needs to understand WE have to fight islam-ic terrorism

[@altafpatel6294]

Wow such nuanced analysis 👏

[@angus7278]

The slave revolts were also often chaotic and violent. But does anyone today deny the righteousness of the cause of ending slavery?

[@FarmersNetworkUganda]

I am of your view

[@cyklebs7402]

Both siderism!

[@omarfadil1226]

Just one point that’s extremely exaggerated in the west so often to the point that even this woman is influenced by that and how she carefully chooses the words to say. If the British people were occupying Palestine and there was resistance, and if that resistance did what it did on October 7, what do you think the Hamas fighters would have said once they killed brits? We killed Brits right? It’s plainly obvious to conclude that and whether the British army would have used that to show that these people are barbaric and they hate Brits is irrelevant one would assume, because the Brits army is occupying that land. Then why is Israel is any different and Jews from there different from the Palestinians point of view?

[@tomasducci3795]

Exactly, Butler seems obsessed in finding interconections between fixed categories of oppresion: colonialism vs. antisemitism. But why is semitism relevant in this case? The fact that she can believe that Hammas attack was possibly motivated by an out of the blue animosity towards jews only shows how powerful the jewish paranoia can be...

[@montsec3445]

Yes

[@suskdhru]

They know. Sorry, they know.

[@marketads1]

Zionism is the bad actor in this conflict. Neither Muslim nor Jew. It’s not a religious battle. It’s a bad faith geopolitical struggle for land and power on the part of right wing Israelis propped up by westerners who wanted a democratic government in the Middle East in which to safely park. Sorry if this banal answer bothers those that think that it’s some kind of good vs evil, biblical struggle for the Holy Land, but it’s really older than religion itself.

[@paulamarsh1]

No, at its core it simply rankles the Arab world that they lost to a bunch of homeless Jewish refugees fleeing pogroms in Eastern Europe...after four hundred years of second class dhimmi status, Jews were coming into their own. The Mongols, the Pharaohs, the Greeks, the Romans are all gone but the Jews are still here 🙏🔯🕎🇮🇱

[@s6edge706]

Past victims can become future serial killers. See dahmer, Ted bundy etc

[@YouroldboySabs1]

I fully agree and this needs to be spoken about more

[@60asteroid]

👏🏽👏🏽Say it LOUD for people in the back: "It’s a bad faith geopolitical struggle for land and power on the part of right wing Israelis propped up by westerners who wanted a democratic government in the Middle East in which to safely park."

[@edgarperezlfwl]

Stupid Title . Arrogant to say the least . Arafat said himself , ....... before he died .

[@themathsprofessor6962]

I just love her! She is so intelligent, so eloquent, such a wonderful human. I also owe her a sincere apology; not for what I did, but for imagining that she would somehow have similar views to Kathleen Stock. Thus, Judith, I sincerely apologise.

[@freepalestine7687]

❤

[@5393779]

Occupied ppl chose Armed Struggle because its their right to do so. No Occupiers in history ever gave the indigenous ppl their rights without Armed Struggle.

[@audreyheart2180]

If you hurt a child, you are irredeemable in my eyes

[@faerie1599]

..... careful thinking and wise actions would be nice all 'round..............

[@thomaswayne1852]

Does Palestine have the right to exist?

[@paulamarsh1]

It was always a region, a somewhat sleepy backwater of the Ottoman Empire. No oil, sparsely populated...only the geographical area was, at various times, known as Palestine (like the Levant, a region, not a state or country, concepts foreign to the Arab world). The inhabitants largely identified themselves as ethnicities, the main being Arab and Jew. Christians, Dhruze, Armenian being some of the other minorities. From the 1960s, well after Israel 's independence, the Soviets /KGB with Arafat began 'marketing' the name Palestinian to mean solely Arab. Even Zuheir Mohsen of the PLO stated this: "The Palestinian people does not exist … there is no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese", though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for political reasons. In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw he stated that "between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons"

[@tomasducci3795]

@@paulamarsh1 Sure, Paula. Now let me rephrase: does the Arab nation has the right to exist?

[@cheesepuff455]

👍

[@HiHereIAm165]

So true. Of the left and of this lady.

[@nunusnews361]

Palestinians are the only side of this conflict that do not have the ability to end this conflict peacefully, whereas their oppressor has all the power to end this peacefully and chooses mass murder instead

[@el_naif]

What’s the way to end this peacefully? Palestinians don’t want a state, they want the disappearance of Jewish sovereignty.

[@clementcahan1541]

palestinians should try to build their own state as it was offered repeqtedly and not aim fro the distruction of the Jewish state The palestinian national movement did not exists before Zionism they were Suni Arabs . The aim of the Palestinian movement is not to have a state they just want the jEWS NOT TO HAVE A STATE

[@CHIPIONES]

She is a 100 % right.

[@karlfechner9602]

this is what a parasitising mind looks like

[@tevinchidester9681]

To little and wayyyyy to lat.

[@typingperson]

She says sexual violence on both sides. Nah. Only evidence of torture and sexual assault is by Israel. She is well intentioned but judith butler does not sound well informed on the current situation.

[@queridogideon]

Butler totally lost it.

[@AbdullahAmar]

Except that the only confirmed atrocities against women were done by the Israeli occupation forces.

[@donnavorce8856]

For the thinking people watching this interview here's a long list of films showing what Palestinians have endured for nearly a century now: 🍉 5 broken cameras (nominated for Oscar) 🍉 Cold Stone Justice 🍉 Gaza’s fight for freedom 🍉 Checkpoint 2003 🍉 O¢¢upation 101 🍉 Jenin, Jenin 🍉 Shadows of the West 🍉 Defamation 🍉 Tantura (on internet archives) 🍉 Born in Deir Ya$$in 🍉The o¢¢upation of Am€rican Mind 🍉 Two ßlue Lines

[@juliarichter6987]

Didn't they have even more opportunities (being surrounded by friendly countries) as Israel had after the UN split the protectorat into to parts?

[@janinasimons8533]

Principles work well in USA written soap operas, in real life it is complicated. AND I wonder how 'Butler" would feel if her families home and heritage had been stolen, and she was imprisoned to have her occupier taking pot shots at her and family. Sounds like she can not put herself in other's shoes, THERE WILL NEVER BE PEACE WHILE THE OPPRESSOR IS OPPRESSING. SAD but true, the thieves oppressors need to go back to their own land. and stop pretending that GOD GAVE YOU ANYTHING, GOD MADE promises to ABRAHAM who was a pagan and to Hebrew and Israelites not JEWS, we have USA /UK to thank for making up another group of peoples

[@charlescaplan6168]

They have 2 de facto state the Jews have one .. why do you want 2 Jewish states 😳🙈😳🙈 Gaza and Jordan are de facto Palestinian majority states on the 1920 Palestinian mandate territories

[@juliarichter6987]

Easy to answer: Because the Palestinians don't want to have ANY Jewish state.

[@paulamarsh1]

Correct ! Greater Palestine was Jordan Lebanon and Southern Syria. There has been a 2SS since San Remo !

[@judithdavidson2356]

Is that not partly the fault of the Hamas government in Gaza?. I agree with the principles stated by you but a government that doesn’t even try to help its own people must take some responsibility.

[@kvaka009]

Israel, and Netanyahu specifically, helped create Hamas as a tried and true colonial strategy of divide and conquer. Now is the conquer phase on full display.

[@GracePew-ek3rm]

not "partly", totally

[@PeleSahota]

You mean like the Europeans who haven't taken responsibility for their centuries of anti semitism and made palestinians pay by stealing their land? Did Germany take responsibility for its war crimes and holocaust or were they given marshall aid? Did Austria take responsibility for Hitler and their involvement both in the holocaust and what the Wehrmacht did to almost 30 million slavs??

[@yanenn2151]

hamas doesnt control its own Air, Water, food , electricity or anything that comes in and out of gaza. Israel has been blockading them for 17 years.

[@CelinTonny]

How,the had hospitals, everything they have no army,no fighter jets,so how?come on

[@gstar3569]

Judith Butler…. Urghh

[@tomasducci3795]

I get you. Nothing more annoying than an elite intellectual claiming to speak on behalf of the oppressed peoples

[@fisterklister]

I know that the western countries have received a lot of palestinians, and they have not been an asset.

[@Trutsetyoufree755]

How could the west know nothing. That’s all we’re bombarded with from every angle of the media. From wailers and chanters to whiners and screamers, to flag destroyers, to blockers of major highways, to foreign accents yelling on every network

[@beng2729]

In Israel Palestinians have full equality.

[@frueh5814]

Liar!

[@beng2729]

@frueh5814 Go visit your ignorance is unbecoming. Any position a Jew can hold a Arab can including prime Minister. There are Arab Lawyers, Doctors, Police, Justices and a Arab Justice put a Jewish prime Minister in Jail.

[@beng2729]

@frueh5814 Go visit Israel your ignorance is unbecoming. Arabs in Israel can vote they can hold any position that a Jewish citizen can there are Arab lawyers, doctors, politicians, academics and Judges in fact a Arab Judge put a Jewish Prime Minister in Jail.

[@beng2729]

@frueh5814 Go visit Israel your ignorance is unbecoming. Arabs in Israel can vote they can hold any position that a Jewish citizen can there are Arab lawyers, doctors, politicians, academics and Judges in fact a Arab Judge put a Jewish Prime Minister in Jail.

[@beng2729]

Go visit Israel your ignorance is unbecoming. Arabs in Israel can vote they can hold any position that a Jewish citizen can there are Arab lawyers, doctors, politicians, academics and Judges in fact a Arab Judge put a Jewish Prime Minister in Jail.

[@marichristian]

I wish Judith Butler would stick with post modern / feminist literary theory that only the elite understands.

[@marinasuarezdebauer6579]

Because when she talks about Palestine you can understand and that makes you uneasy with your mind set?

[@darksol99darkwizard]

Everyone deserves basic human rights, but that doesn’t give any particular person or group a duty to give it to them. It just means they have a right to it. The Palestinians should not blame Israel when they have consistently started wars to kill Jews. They don’t want liberation for Palestine, they have always been clear: they want Israel gone because it is a Jewish state

[@paulamarsh1]

Arabs invaded from Arabia as their name suggests. The Caliphate is no more, neither, come ti think of it, are the Mongols, the Pharaohs, the Greeks, the Romans, the Vikings...but the Jews are still here! 🙏🔯🕎🇮🇱

[@futuredoc7303]

Wow, your comment shows a huge lack of understanding, you obviously don't know much about this conflict. Do some honest and scholarly research.

[@sh25098]

Funny how she said Liberation and self determination for Palestinians and " the other peole living there". Just shows how hypocritical she is. Israelis also deserve Liberation and have the right for self determination and that is why they do not want a 1 state solution but a state of their own and to be able to govern themselves.

[@SupremeBakedBean]

But absolute Jew hatred is so prevalent in significant Muslim communites, espwcially Palestinians. To pretend that especially Oct 7 attacks weren't anti-semitic is outrageous.

[@sakha2349]

I think you'll find it is not Jew hatred - rather it is hatred for the oppressor. You can't ignore the brutal 75 yr oppression. Would you love your oppressor if you were in the same situation?

[@kvaka009]

The important difference is between being anti Jewish and being anti israeli. There is anti semitism in the Muslim world. But it is important to ask whether palestinians are anti israili because they are anti semitic, or are they anti jewish because they are anti israeli. The former is the Iraeli ideological line. But i think the latter is much closer to the truth. When a state commits genocide against one's people, they begin to hate the group that comprises that state. The only way to prevent or begin to correct this is to end the oppression.

[@Safaid862]

You mean, if there were NO occupation - the Palestinians and the muslims would still have hated jews , when there ie evidence of jews living peacefully in the ‘ holy land’ under muslim rule? Do you know who committed the holocaust against the jews?

[@AhmedMohammed-dc6nd]

Anti occupation is not anti semitic. Muslim and Jews lived in peace until Zionist occupation changed everything.

[@nelsonth]

Jews used to live with Muslims and Christians in the region fairly peacefully till the establishment of Israel as an apartheid colonial state.

[@lilmonkey9919]

FREE ISRAEL 🇮🇱

[@Lumi_Lumi13]

From zionist nazis, yes.

[@CelinTonny]

From Nz’s ideology 🤝🤝

[@miladnazar109]

Palestinian people have the right to defend themselves

[@noodles341]

October 7th is palestines 24/7 👿👿👿🤬🤬🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇵🇸🙏🙏✝️✝️

[@RSov-np8up]

"Jew" and "Israeli" are in Arabic language the same world, so what we see as antisemitic in "killing Jews" means actually killing Israeli citizens, i.e. citizens of a settler-colonial regime of occupation. It can be not nice or ethic but has nothing to do with antisemitism, it's indeed the same thing that happened when Algerians were killing French settlers in some attacks in order to pressure for the liberation of their contry from the brutal colonial occupation. According to the UN Charta, occupied people have all the right of armed struggle to liberate their contry. No question about that. This weaponization of "antisemitism" against the armed struggle of Palestinians is absolutely stupid, biased and dangerous. Enough.

[@leslenedella-madre]

Yes, many people are "trope happy" with it