The Will Ramos Laryngyscopy - My Thoughts

[@KardavoxAcademy]

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[@lukemadden4434]

I don't even know anything about what a throat should look like when screaming, but when that shit started twisting my mind was blown!

[@Benobot99]

I was blown away when her husband taught Will (and us) the trick to remove garlic smell from our hands. 😯

[@TheRealChappie]

I was taught how to do pig squeals in high school almost 15 years ago. Since then i have refined my technique, having never taken a single vocal lesson. Something that I should probably look into. However I think the thing the struck me the most was how much was happening internally in the moment of delivery. Or rather I should say how much was not happening. I had this massive misconception (as im sure most did) of what the vocal chords were doing and i couldn't have been more wrong. That entire video blew my mind.

[@Luldaasgmail]

Great video, I’m a big fan of Kardashev and your Kardavox content. I’d like to say you gave a fantastic history of the talents who have brought this science to where it is today and a nice list of resources to delve into. You were complimentary of Will’s vocals, but I noticed in the large list of thanks to the individuals involved in this video and harsh vocal research, and thanking Kurt and Elisabeth several times, there was a noticeable omission that definitely should be thanked as well, Will Ramos himself. I’m sure he has a lot of demands on his time with Lorna Shore’s US tours (and festivals like lollapalooza and upcoming European dates on several tours and festivals) Taking the time to fly to the other coast and have his thrussy spread, scoped, and recorded for the world to see. Much respect and huge thanks to Will for doing this. I’m sure there is some personal gains for him in doing so, but really his contribution and participation is a boon for the popularity of this video and to have an insanely talented and versatile harsh vocalist to study. If I was a talented vocalist, despite all the assurances to the contrary, I would still be nervous to have this done. I work in healthcare and see bronchoscopies very often among other scoping procedures and laparoscopic and video assisted visualizations and surgeries - and I’d never want to have one done electively for any reason diagnose an issue. On top of the time it took, this is literally his money maker and art/craft honed overmany years and despite extremely low complication rates, there’s always the chance for complications with any type of internal imaging procedure (I know it’s extremely low and rare with laryngoscopies, but still there is the potential when filming that closely and you’re largely in the hands of the person guiding the scope). I just think some credit is due here and appreciate his contributions, and those of everyone else you named, for furthering our understanding of the vocal process as well as simultaneously entertaining us! Much love and respect, and I’m loving liminal rite! Thanks for all you do and the art you create!

[@00misterman00]

I'd love to see mark react to for the likes of you. The vocalist Austin Dickey is really talented in my opinion

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Your insights on this were phenomenal, Mark! Thank you!!! Maybe next time, you'll have to come with us.

[@max.lindgren]

Oh that would be awesome :)

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks, E. I would absolutely love to - let's talk!

[@JohnTCampbell1986]

Will Ramos throat camera volume 2 foreshadowing?

[@mikemaurer1020]

I think you ought to add a scope of Mark, if he’s willing.

[@kjellnehring6390]

@@KardavoxAcademy Don't trust her, she just wants to strap you down and shove a camera up your nose 😆

[@smokeythebear99]

Saw Will twisting his false chords and I was like... okay, doable. Tried grabbing the outside of my throat and cranking it sideways while yelling... basically just strangled myself. Does not work. Do not attempt. This man is a beast.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Can confirm not the best idea 😂😂

[@gargaj]

Hey, don't kinkshame.

[@WHOREHAMMER_OFFICIAL]

@@gargaj underrated comment

[@GuyNamedSean]

I actually think I might be able to do that. There's a way that I add compression by tightening some muscles and I can kinda feel the tissue in my throat touching in a way it normally doesn't. Of course, I don't know for sure since I've never had a laryngyscopy, but what I say him do certainly looks like what I feel.

[@TheChzoronzon]

@@gargaj Oh, I made the 69 like to your coment *blush

[@Duskwalker68]

It was really amazing to see the internal body while it's doing vocals, I'd really love to see Alex Terrible or Dickie Allen do the same thing!

[@00misterman00]

I was just thinking about Alex terrible doing this

[@adamhenton6221]

Yes Dickie Allen

[@aidanbrown-king]

Ben Duerr also would be amazing!

[@Duskwalker68]

@@aidanbrown-king Definitely, all the Deathcore legends would be great!

[@JosephCornely]

Alex terrible would be crazy

[@gman7774]

What impressed me about Will was how just “down” he was. That had to be uncomfortable and he just went for it. Not worried that the camera might negatively affect his performance and embarrass him. Then he showed everyone again why he’s the growing legend he is.

[@melanienattefrost2447]

People fucking love Will not only for his INCREDIBLE vocals, but also because he's got such a great personality. Doesn't act like a "rock star" and seems soooo laid-back.

[@aquiamorgan2416]

@@melanienattefrost2447 I love Will Ramos. Lorna Shore isn't my cup of tea, even though I desperately wish they were because I love Will Ramos that much. Lol

[@bazamere]

Not worried about the camera negatively affecting his sound.... but absolutely horrified at the thought of a booger being seen 😆

[@dinonuggies2276]

Id really love to see someone whos a beginner doing this, And where the diffrences are compared to more experienced vocalists doing the same type of vocals

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thats an excellent idea

[@alexbourgeois7863]

I volunteer as tribute! Lol

[@ThePshhhhhh]

@@alexbourgeois7863 right?? I would love to see what mine looks like..

[@bluey8843]

Now we're talking science, we need a control

[@KardavoxAcademy]

@@bluey8843 Truth.

[@armymech87]

I love how this came to be from her Tea Time interview with him. I don't think she was 100% ready for him to be like "I'm down, let's do this" when she said she'd love to see what was going on in there, but he was, and they made it happen!!

[@nickbietz]

Favorite part was Inge Titze trying to explain to us and himself it seemed like how it was possible for Will to have enough breath pressure and stamina to basically activate/vibrate 4 different parts of his vocal instrument at the same time and just overall how shocked everyone was at what Will could do and all healthily with no damage to his instrument.

[@SarahAParis]

The Will Ramos Laryngoscopy was literally the coolest thing I have ever seen! He's incredibly talented. I've never heard anyone else make vocal noises like that, and seeing what happens when the entire vocal apparatus is in action is amazing.

[@Zedac9]

Once I saw the charismatic voice post the video with Will all I could think of is “cannot wait until Mark sees this”

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Haha, glad I didn't disappoint!

[@D1ne-O-SAur]

@@KardavoxAcademy Of course not, it was as always, amazing insight!!

[@rilema05]

Classically trained Vocal Performance major and voice teacher here. I’ve been learning more about harsh vocals and loved your analysis of the video. Thank you!

[@ryansmallwood1178]

It would be interesting to compare to some current competitive beatboxers, because they have their own classification of lots of bass singing techniques that overlaps with a lot of metal vocals, but there’s a bunch where I’m not sure what structures are being activated to modify the sounds. Tom Thum got a laryngoscopy a while back, but he doesn’t do all the newest techniques some of the younger beatboxers are using.

[@xJaGG3d]

seeing someone like Remix do vibration and inward bass would be so sick.

[@starsplushes4675]

This is so interesting.

[@Hipno702]

It was crazy to hear them say that from the footage that his technique was pretty much flawless in regards to potential vocal damage. Especially considering that he had no formal training to my knowledge. Dude is one in a million

[@Viper-dz2kw]

I feel like not damaging yourself is a little bit easier to do then people give it credit for, if it hurts or you lose your voice don’t do it

[@ThorsShadow]

@@Viper-dz2kw Yeah, this exactly. The problem is, that a lot of people don't listen to their bodies anymore. They often don't stop, when it hurts and then people wonder when their voice is fucked after years of doing things wrong. Not hurting yourself is rather easy and when it starts to hurt, stop.

[@PROJECTJoza100]

@@ThorsShadow The issue I think is that some techniques may not hurt immediately, but may be damaging long term, and if you are unlucky, you may stumble upon a technique like that and hurt yourself in the long run.

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

Will also has a great personality. He made the whole thing fun and light and exciting.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Yeah, he seems like a rad dude!

[@smokejc]

Tom Thum (an incredible beatboxer from Australia) also did the same thing, and it was fascinating.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Ooo, I'll have to check that out! Do you have a link?

[@smokejc]

@@KardavoxAcademy yes! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqLHd39mqpd7grs

[@ryansmallwood1178]

@@KardavoxAcademy here’s a link kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5DXaIBsq5x1hbs

[@ryansmallwood1178]

@@KardavoxAcademy in case the replies with the link are hidden the end of the url is watch?v=a_t7M6v7BOY

[@ramomen8611]

Harsh vocals on Laryngyscopy Brandon kzbin.info/www/bejne/imTNg3hoiLWpY9k Enrico kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpSzl3lpr9OZndk Lauren kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKqUdp9uipeel6M Chris kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIjFp4p7rrejaJo Will kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5KbhKiNg7Wlgqc

[@CVMN-kf2qc]

I just found your channel today. And I could not be more happy. I'm a shower singer by trade just breaking out into some harsher vocals, teaching myself with the help of KZbinrs like yourself. Can't thank you enough for the content.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Hell yeah, welcome to the channel!

[@WoeIsJesse]

I didn't even consider new vocalists looking at the video and training improperly, thanks for speaking about that. I was surprised about the literal "twist" and constriction for the kettle screams as well. The last generation of metal vocalists was totally black/white on things being fry/FC and even in my own vocals it can be blurred whether I'm doing one or another at times, definitely agree that things are becoming a spectrum of techniques rather than one or the other

[@JustJenRx]

Goodness I love this channel! It’s always been a favorite of mine!

[@KindOldRaven]

Seeing as Ramos himself had no idea he was slightly contorting his larynx, I can guarantee you right now it's not something that can be taught by anyone at the moment -- unless some vocal coach manages to train himself, learn how to explain it to a student, succesfully lets him/her do it too and confirm it with a larynscopy camera. I'm going to guess that it's like twisting and rolling your tongue - some people can do it naturally but it *can* be trained by most people. How? Well... unlike the tongue thing it's going to be very hard to tell without a camera down your throat. So it shouldn't be something people focus on. I'm going to guess people are going to try it and claim to be able to. Might also be that many already do a similar thing but just aren't aware of it at all whilst others will completely wreck their throats trying to do this ;p

[@highflowerOG]

The thing too is, every vocalist has their own style and ways of achieving the same distortion. The only way to prove everyone is doing the same way, is to shove a camera down every vocalist's throat.

[@kalinora3901]

@@highflowerOG Everyone is going to have slight differences in body structure, so there are probably a lot of factors that go into this. Also, I think when people start doing that exercises that help them make the vocalizations in a safe manner, body just naturally figures out the best way to do it.

[@jaredlyons3940]

Why does it seem like you pounded like 3 red bulls Mark? Your energy is through the roof

[@A_Wild_Dyzzy]

Your comment on opera is so refreshing! I’m not an opera singer or even classically trained. Only learning what I know from my incredible choir teacher and teaching myself what I can through KZbin and just sheer practice. I regularly listen to opera and while I have had compliments from folks at karaoke when I do perform it, I am and will forever be amazed by the tone, volume, and control that professional opera singers display. An undeniably breathtaking skill. On the other side of the coin, I am equally blown away by metal vocalists. To this day, try as I do, I cannot achieve anywhere near the sound I hear from the growls and screams performed by artists like Will Ramos or even the vocal fry of Chester Bennington. Music is sincerely one of the most diverse and beautiful things we’re capable of. And it inspires me to listen to every genre and learn from them every day.

[@inasahkiam]

Opera was always explained to me as controlled screaming. Obviously it's more complicated than that, and there are big differences between the two, but when you think about it like that it makes sense an opera singer could get into heavy metal.

[@jhall1980]

So I know this is unrelated but I just looked up your band & listened to Glass Phantoms. Umm wow! I love it, incredible vocal performance. You definitely got a new fan.

[@afungusamongus9]

Will Ramos seems like a great man. Excellent singer. Just a awesome human being.

[@Tephomab]

That Zen of Screaming DVD is what got me started, no doubt! It was pretty much the only option back in those days for an actual lesson with useful info. Would still recommend it today!

[@KardavoxAcademy]

The Zen Of Screaming DVD is a great start!

[@Buzz_15900]

Well whatever the mechanics, it sounds sick af

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Agreed, Will sounds dope

[@Gamescare]

I wanted to say thank you for the content and the advice that you have given through these videos. I have been practicing harsh vocals on and off for 4 years and have always struggled with highs. It was only the last 6 months that I found I could do them, but they were inconsistent. Your note of relaxing the throat completely changed everything. I realized that my voice would start to stop and crack because I was tensing my throat.

[@SGDrummer7]

YES! So excited you’re doing this

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Hell yeah!

[@AgainstTheeWickedlyMusic]

I was so excited to see this response, it was well worth the wait. Now, we need Travis Ryan 🔥

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Agreed, and thanks for watching!

[@AgainstTheeWickedlyMusic]

@@KardavoxAcademy thanks for the always excellent content!

[@ulyssespeterson6821]

The #1 laryngoscopy that I want to see is Justin Bonitz. He is so versatile, it would be cool to see all of his different techniques.

[@szprucel]

what band is he from

[@ulyssespeterson6821]

@@szprucel He is the frontman for Tallah. He also has some solo projects, like Hungry Lights.

[@travesty-studios]

I was just talking about how she was calling for harsh/metal vocals to be used in musical plays and I CANNOT WAIT for that day

[@KardavoxAcademy]

That would be super cool!

[@travesty-studios]

@@KardavoxAcademy I brought the idea up to my gf and mentioned a Lord of the Rings play, like Elizabeth mentioned. My gf (who is into theater) immediately brought up Smeagle/Gollum

[@psychoticfrogsings]

Can't wait to see your thoughts on this. The only throat cam I've seen was from the Hideous Divinity singer (Who's also a doctor and handled the cam himself, what a legend!) and he was perfectly symmetrical. My mind was absolutely blown when Will went into crazy twist mode. Wonder if it's the same with Dickie Allen, they have pretty similar 'goblin' sounds (and Dickie says he's not using his tongue for what most people call 'tunnel throats')

[@fbi1867]

I’m still pretty sure he puts his tongue to the bottom lip which is another version of tunnel throat

[@fbi1867]

He touched the back of his bottom lip with it and it has a similar sound

[@psychoticfrogsings]

@@fbi1867 No, Dickie does not. Might do to add some emphasis, but his goblin highs are not related to the tongue at the bottom lip or in the cheek. There's also twitch clip of it.

[@psychoticfrogsings]

@@fbi1867 Here's the clip btw, clips.twitch.tv/SeductiveIncredulousWasabiNinjaGrumpy

[@jaguar1224]

@@psychoticfrogsings Watched the clip. He’s still using a variety of tunnel throat positions but not the default one ppl are used to. Essentially, he’s making his lips move forward (creating a more cavernous space) by extending his tongue forward. That’s all you need to create a tunnel sound. From there, you see him stick his tongue out, curl it up (similar to a guttural position), place the tongue on the back of the bottom lip. All produce different tones but since his tongue isn’t restricted to touching his teeth, he can enunciate better and flow between them easier.

[@Someguyy867]

Aye you got my Hideous Divinity comment lol. I wasn’t sure if it wasn’t good enough to be on the channel or if his celebrity status is non existent so it wouldn’t pull any viewers.

[@TheRealChappie]

So im at 15:17 and I think one thing that stands out listening to your examples of false chords is I want to know how the different portions of that structure in other vocalists compare to Will's. For example Corey Taylor or Ronnie Radke both come to mind, and also Travis Ryan of Cattle Decap fame. All three have widely different sounds with Travis being the closest to Will Ramos both in terms of style and sound. But how much of that is the vocal folds, the physiology of each person, and how much of that is just technique and skill. I'm no voice scientist, I just love learning and I love doing this procedure on other vocalists of the same caliber would 100% add to the existing data set and may even shed even more light on what is going on.

[@UDX-340]

Awesome overview.

[@randalljones4370]

The moment when I first saw Will's left vocal-fold 'fold and twist' like a knee joint.... and then he does the epiglottal crossover and the whole mechanism starts to look like a double-jointed spider doing a tango-dip. Yup, that was interesting. Then I started to think about differential signals that Will is consciously sending down the Vagus and up the recurrent laryngeals. Come on... I can bare hold a stable note in my 1.25 octave range (lol aka Vocal Algebra 101) and this guy is like an analog computer doing two channel Diff-EQ .... Make sense? No! It doesn't... And that's the point! What's going on in that larynx doesn't 'make sense' in traditional terms. Remember those foam-core models of the vocal tract in the airway-emulator from Dr Ingo's lab? (Dr Amanda was holding them up.... dark grey foam-looking things) Anyway, I'd love to see the foam blocks they come up with for Will. ... and I bet they have to modify that blocky/square cross-section they have in that device to accommodate the lateral position of Will's epiglottis, and the whole 'twist' we saw on the scope. (What is with that square cross-section anyway? ... never saw one single square airway in my life. OK, pipe-organ 'flutes' (the most sinusoidal sound there is) have a square cross-section, and I'm sure it makes for simpler calculations, but don't you think (to make it more realistic) it should be lined with undulating lobes of calf's liver and the guts of an Arakian sand worm... that's a bit more like the human throat, imho.... (stay-in-my-lane? NEVER !!) All due respect to Dr Ingo, but dang that cross-sectional geometry barely reaches "rough approximation" level. ... and now that I have made myself a pariah in the vocal community, I be shut up. I can't wait to hear your comments on the video, Mark.

[@hisk7263]

A pariah with humorous writing talents 😀

[@MD-zm6sn]

Amphetamines.

[@randalljones4370]

@@MD-zm6sn Nah, I see enough meth-heads (active and in-recovery) in my practice. Pretty sure he's not actively on any of that stuff. He makes too much sense. I would like to see a QEEG (or the 'functional' equivalent) of the medula oblongata, to verify if he is sending differential signals (or at what level does he split to control for the left/right recurrent laryngeal signals). Will got to that place with years of self-teaching and practice... I doubt a speed freak would keep up that level of long term focus. ... and if you were talking about me, why would I want to put my DEA license at risk? At nearly 64, I'm way too high on life at the moment.

[@zackgeldhof1206]

Came here because of this video and Elizabeth's channel. I love her enthusiasm and she has taught me so much appreciation for vocals! And I'm glad I came here! :D Also: Thanks so much for the visual and description to the different parts of the throat! It helped a LOT.

[@thrashstudios9010]

It’s actually pretty rare but some people can learn things just by watching, called observational learning

[@kohlfrog]

My thoughts when watching, aside from the "holy hell what just happened?": Most people have a fair amount of asymmetry. You can particularly see this in muscle function where a smile is crooked, one eye doesn't open as far normally etc. My take was that Will has a similar muscle strength disparity in his throat. So when he "constricts, the left side pulls much harder than the left, causing that twisting motion. And that this has certain effects on his voice. So basically a situation where something that would typically considered a flaw, is beneficial towards someone's end goal and skill set. Basically a "flaw" helps Will form his unique sound, with little to no detriment as a result. So someone else might make similar sounds, but in a slightly different way. On that front however, severe muscular asymmetry isn't terribly uncommon. So it's reasonable to think other people would have similar results on laryngoscopy. But most people would never need or want to find out, because they don't attempt harsh vocals like that.

[@MD-zm6sn]

word

[@Pallamut]

I imagined it the other way around, him training and being used to doing such movement is what caused the asymmetry

[@EwItsMike]

With your driving analogy at around 20 minutes in... I would personally compare practicing vocals to driving a car (like you did) and trying to learn vocals from a laryngyscopy to building a supercar from scratch. There's no way in hell im learning how to twist my larynx and control all of those muscles by watching Will have fun while boogers fall out of his nose xD

[@juliusbushiv2904]

Btw man thx for the Black Tongue mention in your video on Metal Trenches. I went and listened to that song and Holy Freaking SHiT 😲🤯🙌

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Hell yeah!

[@bubblesthemonkey6615]

That video could be so helpful in the future, I think it’s going to become a great resource

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Hopefully there's many more on the way!

[@takoshihitsamaru4675]

Hey you got some new branding. Great stuff, looks awesome.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks dude!

[@SpiderJerusalemJr]

This reminds me that there is a journal of Heavy Metal Studies. As far as I know, it's more of a cultural studies journal, but it's still relevant I think. I'm so happy to see more people and scholars finally take metal seriously. Let's be fair though, most people researching this are already metalheads, but still.

[@spilltheteaalloverme8810]

Yes growing up a metal head in the bible belt I definitely had people praying for my soul- but I have a strong connection with my creator so no worries here lol

[@Charlie_Xmas]

I didn't expect the twist and "asymetric" movements , that was such an interesting moment

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Definitely! I'm looking forward to more research on the topic!

[@spitefulcrow5026]

I know this is an old comment but I had an interesting thought. Rhythm and harmony are the same thing at different scales. One is slow and one is very fast. When you speed up different polyrhythms you get different harmonies depending on the ratios. Even, symmetrical ratios give you consonant harmonies and odd asymmetrical polyrhytms give you dissonant harmonies. This is a long way to say maybe the asymmetry helps add to the dissonance of the sounds he produces?

[@enki4589]

Dude! You new album is fucking amazing!!!!

[@edoardotrauzzi4336]

Great video Mark! And I gotta say: finally someone talks about Enrico’s work! I’m Italian like him and I had the chance to do some online lessons with him. Brutal vocalist, very good teacher and an excellent doctor for sure! I highly suggest to get in touch with him, I think he could be a great person to host here on the channel

[@bastiangigas]

Dear Mark, about the larynx twisting, you should talk along with a very renowned Chilean vocal coach called Nicolás Hormazábal. Look out for him, he might know about that since he can do it with precision and consciousness.

[@SauceBoss69]

And Dr. Ingo said that they have enough study material for the next five years!

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Yes, that's exciting, although I hope they draw from a larger sample size!

[@SauceBoss69]

@@KardavoxAcademy Agreed! You need to contribute your throat, good sir!

[@RockSingingSuccess]

Great analysis. With my own students, I’ve called that arytenoid engagement “false cord constriction,” and coach them into it with an “old man grunt” (airy upper grunt). It’s worked so far! But I also feel like I have to always give the disclaimer that I’m not talking about flexing the neck and it’s probably the only time I will tell them to constrict anything. As always, it’s difficult to simply describe “the invisible instrument” where everyone visualizes the sensations differently. I think you’re great at those descriptions. -Draven

[@crowing3886]

I remember like 15 yrs ago I remember seeing something like this in the zen of screaming dvd by Melissa cross. It was just her scoping though. She didn't scope all the vocalists. Which looking back at could've been very interesting because the range would've been cool to see through every vocalists.

[@delysid18]

Was waiting for this video. Love your stuff

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks dude!

[@Ze_Davila]

Dude, that was great, your videos was the most helpful thing for me to deal with my voice, i aways learn a little bit with them and i can't even imagine how much can i learn with actual lessons. You're the best bro

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Glad to hear it!

[@billekeman5412]

I really dug the og and this video. Also loving the AL Borland/Bob Vila drip!

[@teme9132]

Love you doing examples of stuff you explain :D

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks!

[@king_thin]

Holy sh*t, your Neo voice was spot on!

[@kickme5592]

PLEAAASEE do a video on Into the Earth!!!

[@helmzmen]

Really interesting video Would love to see you talk about the band Black Curse and their singer/guitarist Eli, gotta get some blackened death/war metal on the channel. Any song would work, their album Endless Wound has some of the most primal, bestial and deranged vocal performances I've heard.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

I've legit never heard of War Metal before. Didn't even know it was a thing!

[@Etherion]

Agreed. The vocals on that album (and in spectral voice) are downright filthy. Love black curse.

[@cenobytecode]

Tatiana did have a scope done to prove she wasn't hurting her voice but I can't for the life of me find the video now. It must have been taken down for some reason, though it was a long time ago.

[@andrehil]

About the conversation at 25:00. This was honestly very surprising to me that no one seems to talk about 3 base variants of guttural instead of two. I had lessons with a Brazilian coach who taught me that there is false chords and fry (the usual ones) but also the third one you mentioned. I usually call it death growl, which is more gurgly and lower than false chords, it uses less voice and vibrates deeper in the throat (to me false chords seem to vibrate closer to my nose). To me, false chords and death growls feel VERY different, even if I execute them at the same "note".

[@TillRiedell]

I had my tonsils and adenoids removed in exchange for not having strep through every 6 to 8 weeks. I'm curious how it changed my voice but I'll still make the trade

[@sunshaker01]

Similar, I pick being healthy.

[@Enkelriktad123]

After watching this video. I freakin cant wait to see Lorna and TesseracT at the same show in August🤘🏻

[@davidhughes113]

The gap is being bridged but we’ll never get rid of the majority of critics( none of whom are musicians or music experts) of metal vocals, barely getting a large number of people to appreciate metal in general, there are still living generations of people who still call it all just noise

[@matthewbrown7986]

Mark is finally not wearing a dark earth tone t-shirt?!

[@KardavoxAcademy]

I don't even know who I am anymore

[@chrisscott820]

Really interesting video, I was also quite surprised to see the twisting. You should check out Orbit Culture sometime. There are currently mid Glow-up, and I really think you would enjoy them. Maybe their song North Star of Nija live in studio

[@KardavoxAcademy]

I'll check them out!

[@HiThereFaceHere]

The tonsil part was super interesting to me. I always wonder why there are certain techniques that i literally can't possibly do without harming myself and come to find out it's because I had my tonsils removed when i was 6. It was great having it all make sense finally. It didn't take everything away from me but definitely hindered some things.

[@dirtylumberjack8569]

I was so hoping you'd do this video when charismatic voice released this

[@KardavoxAcademy]

I'm here to please!

[@Maggai]

Just 17 hours left!!! Let's go!!!!

[@RubiMelange]

I’m new to your channel, but have you covered Maria Brink or Alexis Brown? They’re absolutely amazing!

[@StayNightGaming]

I actually didn't even enjoy the music previously, just really wasn't my genre and many full screamo bands just didn't capture me, I then saw Will's full vocal playthrough of into the hellfire and even though I didn't really like it, I couldn't help but keep listening to it because of how impressed I was by it. I've given more of Lornas music a listen and while it's not my favourite, I really love it

[@weiyunchi]

Just wanted to say A: great video and love the response and respect for will Ramos, and B: the new kardashev album is incredible.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks so much dude!

[@mikemaxwell3005]

Also we learned how to get garlic smell off your hands by rubbing hands on a stainless steel sink. Thanks Kirk. I hope we can see FMRI of a metal vocalist soon too. I not t a vocalist but it is so interesting to find out how our voices vary. It would be fun to see Oli Peters from Archspire next. Great video and thank you.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Ah yes, the good ol' garlic trick - very important! Thanks for watching!

[@hooves2noodles_art]

awesome to hear your insights on the Will Ramos video! I'm looking to further my metal/growl/scream vocals myself - would you recommend waiting on taking Will Ramos' lessons (patreon) and following one of the instructors you mentioned in this video, or would you move forward with it?

[@davidhughes113]

I think more variety of metal vocalists from power metal to death and black metal to guys who do both harsh and clean need to be studied in the same way to gather more information and widen the scope of what makes different peoples techniques work

[@die-no-mite]

do you not do the Wisio stuff anymore? thats something id def be interested in

[@brenmangood]

The room sounds good coming across the KZbin video. No excessive echo. Probably a good microphone.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks!

[@adamhenton6221]

Oh man I've been waiting for this video

[@Supporttrr]

I’m beyond curious what they would see in Corey Taylor’s throat.

[@eatgluedrnkpaint]

I'd love to see a video on his Chelsea grin 'recreant' cover. It's nasty af.

[@MaverickTCG]

I had a full tonsillectomy and adenoidectomy at the beginning of this year and I asked some of the same questions about the sound of my voice. 6 months later and im slightly less nasally but that's about it.

[@TheButterflyChaos]

Your explanations of these things were great.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Thanks dude, glad it was helpful!

[@cccccm3]

It's a bit sad not find any Doom genre metal analysis here.i would appreciate that.u certainly know some of best doom Bands and it would be great to know more about their vocals.thx.btw My favorite vocal is Daniel Nigoe from Clouds.

[@nuovoalbergooperai2630]

would be cool seeing the laryngy thingy on an ultralow singer like the one from Heinous Killings

[@deejay2003]

I would absolutely LOVE to see a laryngoscopy of Chris Motionless, he's my role model in so many ways, for personal style, music, screams (even though he uses fry and I use false chord), overall it would just be so interesting to see how he does his screams 😁

[@krata420]

I want to Travis Ryan or Dickie Allen do the same thing as they also incredible vocalists

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Absolutely, that'd be dope!

[@tothegravesolosdeathcoretbh]

would love to see videos like theirs done with people like dane evans, dicke allen, david simonich and dan watson (i could list quite a few others but they would be the most interesting to me)

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Agreed!

[@tothegravesolosdeathcoretbh]

@@KardavoxAcademy apparently people beginning with d are vocal monsters 🤔

[@jonihors5309]

Ларингоскопия у Дикки Аллена и чувака из группы brand of sacrifice.

[@Emmashful]

Lorna Shore IS everyones cup of tea.

[@cynicallemonade1792]

I have constant pain in my throat and spasms. I started singing lessons to see if the excersises would help to relax it but I ended up having to quit because of the pain becoming worse. I wish I could do metal vocals because I love metal and I actually had really started to enjoy singing before I had to stop. I still have the pain though and even just talking to much can make me speechless for days. I wish I could figure out the problem or be able to sing.

[@jscire__872]

I have definitely heard of tonsil removal ruining a voice, happened to a relative of mine when they we a teen.

[@chuchof3tt669]

20:37 ...when CC say "vocalists should watch learn javascript" lol

[@Outdoor_Andy]

I've always loved metal vocals, and wanted to learn them, but never tried seriously. I think more than that these days though, I want to learn how to do crazy villain, and monster voices for DND. Really any voices, but I like the idea of being able to shock a table with crazy monsters coming to life

[@KardavoxAcademy]

You would be surprised - I actually have several students that are voice actors - it's not all about metal music - so follow those dreams dude!

[@KarRuptAssassin]

Fun fact: you can usually just email the writer of the thesis/paper/whatever, because most journals dont actually give any money to the writer of them and theyre more than happy to give them out.

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Yes, this is good to know!

[@ImGrimFPS]

I am very excited about the scientific future of metal. As a vocalist that has had a tonsillectomy and adenoidectomy (before i started doing vocals), I want to know how severe of an impact this has had on what i can and cant do. like with gutturals for instance, to hit the real nasty gutter sound I have to look to my right a bit. Is this because I don't have tonsils and adenoids? or is that simply because everyone is different? IDK but hopefully we know in the future! I've been working on my vocals for about 7 years though so it obviously wasn't a detrimental impact in my ability.

[@thomasmann4536]

this will probably never happen, but Id love to see a laryngoscopy of Kyo (vocalist of Dir en grey)

[@HeckinMoonMoon]

Oh man, that would be amazing

[@Feverm00n]

I second this

[@alexw9037]

Omg dude.... I had my tonsils and adenoids removed when I was 13... And when they cauterized used the flesh it pulled my uvula it the side and I'm guessing my palate also... Could that be why I can't make a decent fry??? I've been struggling with the fry tone since I learned throat singing during the lockdown.

[@Rand0m_H3r0]

My tonsils were removed and I wouldn't say that it negatively effected me at all! I would love to see some inhale squeels

[@jphanks]

To continue your car analogy, the car also has to be capable of doing the stunts 😆

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Hahaha!