LORNA SHORE wrote a Tear Jerker! Vocal Analysis of "Pain Remains I" by Metal Vocal Coach!

Lorna Shore proved that they are masters of brutality. Now, with "Pain Remains I: Dancing Like Flames", we get to experience catharsis through loss. Lorna Shore stays true to their sound here, while having no issues exploring new corners and facets of the human experience. Also Spoiler alert Will Ramos killed it but what the f*ck else did you expect? Lets talk about his awesome voice!
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[@social_daze]

Dude I would LOVE to hear you react to early Candiria vocals. Pages perhaps? I've still never heard that tone on another singer maybe ever. Respect ☠️

[@alecdeflorio9941]

Hey Mark I got your message on telegram just making sure it was really you

[@KardavoxAcademy]

@@alecdeflorio9941 I don't use telegram, definitely wasn't me

[@Hal0630]

"This is a good place for us to talk....!" Me, sobbing uncontrollably "yeah ok" 😭😭😭😭😭

[@crazydud3380]

I really appreciate this. Everyone, fans and haters, mostly view Deathcore as angry brutality, but Lorna Shore is showing it has far more range than that, which is healthy for the longevity of any genre of music.

[@kevinbullman1350]

Lorna shore ✅️ Magic the gathering ✅️ Deathcore mixed ballad ✅️ Tissues required ✅️

[@ItsCvrter]

This is crazy cause we're gonna get Mark's reaction to a Lorna song AND a brand new Lorna song all on the same day :0

[@guttergods8735]

Is Lorna releasing part II to Pain Remains on the 29th?

[@chaos_bbx6994]

@@guttergods8735 yes

[@Andy_from_de]

@@guttergods8735 dropped 2 hours ago

[@ch0c0furi0us]

@@Andy_from_de And it was amazing!

[@WiaderkoPiasku]

@@ch0c0furi0us not sure if reactors will dare to react to music video tho

[@SpaghettiWithMeatSauce]

I hope they play this song live on their headliner tour coming up next month so we can take a break in the pit to have a good group cry

[@TobiasDettinger]

group crying on a metal concert is the least thing i ever would expect from a metal concert.

[@Carnage0708]

The opening is perfect for a first song at a live show. Let's get the crying out of the way at the start 😭

[@SpaghettiWithMeatSauce]

@@TobiasDettinger That's what makes it so metal. Crowd crying instead of crowd killing

[@SpaghettiWithMeatSauce]

@@Carnage0708 Seriously... that intro synth is sad as fuck

[@Carnage0708]

@matt the instrumentation at the beginning is the best start with the band slowly taking stage.

[@Cristian_1985]

I am not a vocalist in any form. However, I love watching your videos. The way you breakdown the vocal technique etc. really makes me appreciate how special these vocalists are. Will currently being my favorite of course 🤘🏽

[@hisk7263]

And now I spend 36 hours wondering why you’re holding a magic card….

[@dif4797]

That makes him even cooler

[@BirdOfHermes8381]

@@dif4797 magic cards and pulling on his cheeks. Coolest someone can be!

[@g_r9567]

Dude, you just unlocked my high scream... with your comparison to tone shiftinig when clean singing. I have spent too much time trying to "feel" the right things instead of just letting it happen. So much more relaxed, so much better tone. Plus I find that I'm holding my mouth kinda open like Will does in his One Take of To The Hellfire. Thank you so much!

[@MY1BLACKCAT]

i love this song - it is actually beautiful in its own way, i have listened to alot and like it more every time

[@KardavoxAcademy]

That's great!

[@blusht369]

I love the way they merged part 1 and part 2 together to give u like a 10 min song!!! And I have a pretty strong feeling there’s gonna be a 3

[@savannhaharmer8279]

The third part will be released with the album and the last part is 9 minutes long

[@schustererik83]

@@savannhaharmer8279 3rd video is out now

[@Rawkinsauce]

I subscribe to the idea that the song ends as abruptly as life does. We as the audience really feel its absence. We are confused and lost a little, unable in those first few seconds to accept that the song has come to an end, and search for alternatives like mute buttons or internet outage. First stage of grief is denial. Lorna shore absolutely crushed it here.

[@Hellroxas]

same! I really like that artistic choice!

[@schustererik83]

the 3 songs are meant to be played seamlessly. pain remains 1, 2, and 3

[@theOwnuts]

@@schustererik83 true, but as a standalone song I interpreted the end as the death of the woman in the video. Just... stops. Thats what death is, from one second to the other a person stops existing.

[@Kekoapono]

This song has an abrupt ending because it does indeed go straight into the next movement of the song (attacca), but on its own it's also an effective artistic rendition of the suddenness of death itself. It actually reminds me of the ending of Wintersun's song "Eternal Darkness (Autumn)" from their Forest Seasons album (you really ought to listen to that album if you haven't already). That song also has a great artistic rendition of death.

[@Bassgangvt]

That part with the clean singing (sort of) gives me chills every time. Can’t wait to see them live and be screaming the lyrics at that part

[@Kekoapono]

Also, regarding the cathartic nature of this song, Tank mentioned in his reaction that Adam (lead guitarist) was going through a really difficult time in his life when he wrote the music in this album. It's no doubt to me that most of his emotions went into the Pain Remains trilogy of songs.

[@HickyZX22]

This is the first metal song to make me tear up. And it happens every time I listen. This is a big song. I hope it gets the respect it deserves. Will is talented beyond belief. This emotional side is so heavy for them. I hope they really utilize that in future songs.

[@pieceoftrashkeith]

Hopefully, you invite Will the next time. We need to see Will breakdown his vocals!

[@iwonderifdrugzarebad]

ITS NOT SAFE TO SWIM TODAY! One of my favorite songs ever. Good shout out!

[@jhall1980]

Love the channel! Can't wait to see more Lorna videos.

[@nofksgvn5384]

Will Ramos is an absolute animal and so unique in his own way! And I feel he has so much more to give us in what I hope is a very long future with Lorna Shore. Love your work ✌️

[@dvoelkerjr]

It's super badass ass listening to kardashev and then hearing your demonstrate in these videos and talk about all these techniques...love your content, mate.

[@tacoman2939]

Love this song from the first time I heard it and was excited you were going to do a video on it. Love your work bro.

[@coreyhartman1154]

hey Mark the second part dropped today. very emotional issues they are touching upon. I know that Adam said he was going through alot when he wrote parts 1-3. Amazing so far. Much love to you and the family brother.

[@TheFallenSHDW]

I can't BELIEVE you said that pop music- now that I have your attention, great video full of insight as always! This track took me and everyone by surprise and I can't wait to see you analyze the next 2 parts, 1 of which dropped today! Have a great day

[@micho9513]

I can't even describe how much I dig this channel

[@scottyd0530]

I had the exact same reaction when I first heard the ending. "What?" I was so confused, but I just heard part two the other day, and it LITERALLY picks up on that same exact note. It's a very flawless and seamless transition.

[@Skanah_]

Everyone's first comment on the song is how abrupt the ending is. Now that we've heard part 2 it feels like if the cut was just a second later the change wouldn't be so jarring. Conspiracy time: the cut, at least as a prerelease single, is supposed to be jarring, it's a song about the sudden loss of a loved one. You dont get the cathartic outro, you get your heart ripped out and left to suffer.

[@iamdillyj]

@@Skanah_ cause death seems so abrupt its feels sudden no matter the circumstances

[@danumis_]

You went all in on this one! Will is one of the generational talents for the genre.

[@alexbourgeois7863]

He needs to hear Evolving by Darko 😏😏

[@johnstevens2972]

The only reaction video I like. Thank you. “Where do you go when I close my eyes!?” Love it.

[@welshkaneki2352]

I've listened to this song a handful of times and the abrupt ending still gets me. For me, I've ended up linking the lyric "Where do you go when I close my eyes?" to the abrupt ending, almost like that sudden stop is the closing of the eyes. Probably thinking too deep about it, but I always smile a little when that ending hits. It's weirdly jolting. Loved the video as always 🔥

[@thomassheets8897]

As a very recently brought onto Magic fan, I was indeed rolling my eyes at those puns lol. Love the video! Such a great piece of music

[@serial92989]

So excited for this because its Part1 of 3! Ooof its gonna be so good

[@katelynmidnight]

Magic puns on a video that has everyone else balling their eyes out -self included. 😅 most upbeat reaction I’ve seen so far! Much enjoyment 👏

[@piousmutilator4513]

You, sir, are an awesome individual 🤘

[@KrisThroughGlass]

Great video. Thank you. Greetings from Germany

[@Takaoshi]

Love both pain remains songs so far, excited for the 3rd :D It also amazes me that will can do this with asthma. Also the rest of the band is fantastic :D Complete package. Part 1 flows perfectly into part 2 on spotify for me with crossfade on at 0 seconds :)

[@mistabobdobalina7319]

You are so fucking helpful, dude. 🤘

[@erictrine1608]

It’s interesting that you draw the pop music comparison. Both Will and Adam (if memory serves) have mentioned that they draw inspiration from pop music in writing songs for Lorna Shore.

[@TylerFenneken]

Yeah Adam definitely said his inspiration for strong structure came from old pop music like nsync

[@terogates1]

You are right. I was rolling my head hehe love to playing EDH! Hehe gotta show my buddies that play that joke

[@BipolarDistortion]

It’s easy to miss the forest for the trees in metal, thinking the brutality & maximalism can “seem” like someone is throwing caution to the wind. Where, in reality, doing these type of vocals requires a lot of control. It may not be plain to see, but this channel does a great job at breaking things down.

[@leonschumann2361]

these intros are allways so funny to watch

[@leonschumann2361]

more anatomical pics like in here pls

[@john_the_masochist2564]

These videos are how I am learning how to scream. Thank you.

[@distant6606]

cmon mark you re falling behind lmao.they released part 2 today!

[@social_daze]

Dude I would LOVE to hear you react to early Candiria vocals. Pages perhaps? I've still never heard that tone on another hXc/death metal singer period!

[@unholyseed]

Dude I’m BEGGING. Please react and do an analysis of sacramentum ov filicide by nitheful. This song is so heavy and the vocalist (Derrek Connolly) is so unique and horrifying. I’d love to hear your thoughts on his voice

[@VollyFirefighterandEMT]

They just dropped another banger today

[@Au_Blinky]

The cry/ pout example made me think of deathcore minecraft villagers 🤣

[@MrNutt_]

This song seemed more as though it's less about him focusing on his technique and more about putting his emotion into his voice. Sometimes a more pure emotional voice in music is more powerful than anything else. Will did a great job of expressing emotion in this song. It wasn't crazy with insane gutturals (lower tones) and breakdowns. Sometimes in this genre it's a huge relief to have a song like this rather than the constant brutality. Hope to hear more bands explore it in their own way.

[@joshuacaithness678]

That's one of the reasons I like Joe bad from ffaa, he uses a lot of mids but there's so much emotion in his voice it makes it 10x better imo

[@Imurai]

Always provide your voice time fo'rest!

[@spinakker14]

I just finished watching an MtG video (a spicy one, from Spice8rack), then I went to check on one of my favourite bands, and when I saw Mark holding a Magic card I thought I was having an aneurysm

[@terogates1]

Sections like that last bit are the reason I listen to metal is moments in music like that, that’s what I show to my non metal head friends to be like look at what you are missing out on! Also we all thought our internet cut off, I love songs that bleed into the next track

[@Baphxmet]

Now you gotta get Will on for part two

[@amelooutdoor1374]

18:01 I'll make that blegh for my ringtone

[@notadestinygun6556]

Will Ramos could break all the windows of "FOREST"aurants with his unbelievable vocals.

[@GrotesqueSmurf]

the VOM comparison was hilarious

[@CarrotTheParrot]

Actually an interesting point when u mention, you would like his voice to be a bit more forward I had talks with other metal people and when talking about Lorna Shore they mentioned that aswell. That they like Lorna Shore but Wills voice is often rather burried under the instrumentals.

[@patpat023]

Hey Mark, do you have any tips on how to best cough without hurting oneself?

[@aWildNelby]

I used to always play black/red creature destruction decks. My uncle made a deck that had a fun combo that would mill me out of cards almost every time I played him 😅

[@SamuelKacerik]

My suggested videos on youtube are metal songs OR mtg. When I saw the thumbnail of this video I was like: "Am I seeing shit?"

[@mallowismallow]

Hi Mark! What is the intro song? Sounds amazing

[@trve_ingvar]

A great abrupt-ish ending is in Woods of Ypres' Death is not an Exit, where the lyrics say "death is no flick of the switch", and then the song ends with a flick of a switch

[@SunRayz3r]

It cuts off so suddenly because the next song continues right where the other left off, as well as Pain Remains II cuts off, not as abruptly but it’s a lead in to the Pain Remains III.

[@Rawkinsauce]

6/15 for pun quality but 8/8 for how much you enjoyed them.

[@thequatropus]

I was gonna join the discord, but after your first mtg pun I have decided against it. 🦀

[@michaelkuxhausen5042]

I have a friend that plays magic and has never lost.

[@laur4a768]

5:42 nice neck crack :D I used to do it all the time but my osteopath forbid me to do it, I miss it :D

[@SVENRADUX]

Dang it still need to wait for 2 days 😠

[@MetalliMatt007]

What’s the song in the opening???? Would love to know and support that artist. Also this Lorna shore song is just beyond words incredible

[@wintdah7778]

I think what really sells the emotion on Will's voice at the ending, aside from the yelly type of screaming is the enunciation. He knows how to get really disgustingly heavy by manipulating his vowels but in this bridge the lyrics needed to be listed and the dude delivered.

[@sicinthemind]

The voice forward I think is being buried by whomever they're using to do the production. When he does the One Take vocals, I think his vocals sound way better than the mastered production. He sounds a lot more forward and you can hear just the raw vocals... So good!

[@MikeTekji]

Now you gotta do Pain Remains 2 do 10 seconds of this song before you switch over to pain remains 2 so you can get the full scream and roll over effect like it will on the album

[@williamdavidpitt9938]

FR the dude from Bonecarver has wild highs

[@icehearteddragon]

Pain remains 2 just dropped yesterday (9/28)..

[@icehearteddragon]

Just did

[@slayerat5280]

MTG and Metal!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!

[@thisistheescapeplan]

Lol coming here a few days after, and they dropped the new song the day after this video XD I take no shame in admitting that I like some pop music. I'm very heavy centric, but pop songs can be fun. Not to mention fucking sick metal covers (I used to listen to a lot of our last night). I'll listen to almost anyting Pink does, brittney has some really fun songs like if u seek amy, bad romance and poker face are actual jams (I've always wanted a decent death metal cover of poker face. I love that synth intro) The cut at the end really bugs me lol. I listened to it when it premiered on youtube and I straight up thought the "stream" died but it makes sense when paired with 2. The 2 together is just a fucking orgasm and a half

[@djdj2231]

Bro you gotta react to orphan do you want a More emotional death core slamming style of music that’s that’s where you gotta go I love to see the reaction on that

[@AMikeStein]

That freaking gallon water jug with a straw is awesome.

[@thisblackxsheep]

hard cut - because of Pain remains 2!

[@materedai4158]

Me when I heard it first: intro sounds like how Stranger Things portrays the 80's Mark: 80's synths

[@CellLegends]

I didn’t know you played mtg!

[@jared_bliss2253]

The second one released today lol

[@SIeepyNeko]

I love mtg

[@ndshreddermn]

Dance of Flame Enchantment hmmm

[@VCoverAI]

btw pain remains pt 2 just dropped

[@matthuemiller9902]

In regards to the laryngeal scope: Lauren Hart of Once Human did one. Here’s the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKqUdp9uipeel6M

[@KardavoxAcademy]

Yep, I referenced her and others in my throat scope vid!

[@metalheadmnw]

They put out a new song last night hahahaha

[@jauntyfella3722]

15:32 The Linda Belcher is strong.

[@csabahegedus5796]

The song ends that sudden because the woman in the clip just dies. That's the paralell between the song and the story shown.

[@poethebubbles5501]

Mark the sky is blue just so you know

[@Skanah_]

Everyone's first comment on the song is how abrupt the ending is. Now that we've heard part 2 it feels like if the cut was just a second later the change wouldn't be so jarring. Conspiracy time: the cut, at least as a prerelease single, is supposed to be jarring, it's a song about the sudden loss of a loved one. You dont get the cathartic outro, you get your heart ripped out and left to suffer.

[@keatonbergerson8555]

The cut leads into part 2

[@faksake1630]

that intro song. melody its so familiar.. damn anyone knows?

[@marshall_banana]

forrest: "lorna shore songs are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get?" :P

[@anthonypalermo7143]

If you cast a Sheoldred, then Invoked Despair on us; I would've been super pissed!

[@Thystonius]

If I understood Justin of Tallah/Hungry Lights well enough, Will is pure fry in all his singing

[@DinkyMax]

No mark its not you or your headphones! In all the new LS stuff the vocals could be a bit more forward, I've been saying that since Will joined the band. He's an incredible vocalist and I wish we could hear him a bit better!! But wait till you hear part II and III

[@illchurchhorror1343]

The sky is blue bro settledown

[@theopinson3851]

Those puns felt rather forest.

[@calebacosta6964]

What format of MTG?

[@culturebound.]

You play Magic?!?! You play Commander at all?

[@DconNexus]

I was just going to comment the same thing. Commander rules!

[@danielgoldberg2129]

I was just taking a break from building an Oloro life-gain EDH deck.😂

[@culturebound.]

@@DconNexus agreed, I won’t play Magic any other way!

[@culturebound.]

@@danielgoldberg2129 Why take a break?! Finish that thing and sleeve up! lol

[@Cha0sRising90]

All the mtg fans rise up!!

[@albertopagan8432]

WUBRG Ramos