The Wingbeat Phenomenon [Limbus Company]

[@mrrp405]

the dopamine rush is unbeatable

[@ultranumhere]

Can't argue with that

[@caellanmurphy4751]

@@ultranumhere i feel like rimeshank corrosion is just prefred as pricey as it is as that provides 10 sinking count for the faust stuff(given speed factors and all) this way fausts sp gen can be more consistent

[@Eret_Dashlie]

You mean Unwingbeatable?

[@AmoreyYaoiSecks]

95% OF WINGBEATERS QUIT BEFORE HITTING ALL 7 HEAD HITS

[@DepressedCalculator]

It’s not about the final number. It’s the journey to the final number what truly matters

[@ultranumhere]

@@DepressedCalculator it's one hell of a long journey

[@lighting0b450]

Enemy RR4 Ishmael used wingbeat once, rolled tails, heads, tails, the whole lcb was laughing.

[@ultranumhere]

Enemy RR4 Ishmael hits that 6% chance every other usage

[@Antonio-wh8lh]

To be fair Invidimael probably doesn’t have a whole lot of sanity

[@irineumartins9535]

You are clearly lying, the chances are 50%, either I get all the coins right or I don't get them right.

[@ultranumhere]

you will do great at gambling

[@BlaxkJaxk]

I’m going to hit all coins today (I failed 1000 time so I must win right?)

[@BlaxkJaxk]

I’m going to hit all coins today (I failed 1000 time so I must win right?)

[@larsthememelord3383]

ok but seeing wingbeat reach 600 damage is better than cocaine also the sound the passive makes is so satisfy

[@ultranumhere]

Should I try cocaine to fact check?

[@larsthememelord3383]

@@ultranumhere I triple dog dare you to.

[@abdirahimahmed-hg2mn]

@@larsthememelord3383 Your correct (I'm a addict and I say this is better)

[@robindabank9062]

​@@ultranumhereOne is a self-destructive hit to your nervous system where you will forever be haunted by the highs you had at the peak and the other is cocaine.

[@Amirrorofmirrors]

Even if you hit tails, that passive is really nice

[@ultranumhere]

It's pretty good, I'll give you that

[@BlowBow2]

I'm one of the people who made a whole sinking team just to optimise my Wingbeat usage.

[@ultranumhere]

You deny your Spicebush Yi Sang his purpose

[@BlowBow2]

@@ultranumhere That may be so, but my Ishmael does chop-chop (only 2 because she rolled tails) so I believe I'm the real winner here.

[@vice3552]

When he mention of LOR min maxing boundary of death, i laugh my ass off. It took me three time using BoD before deciding, yep its trash and using flying strike instead. Yet someone on the internet posted video of 100% BoD while the whole video is speakin LoLANng and a clock headed hokma. Absolute peak comedy, PM comunity is the best, cant change my mind

[@ultranumhere]

@@vice3552 yeah, I was fuming watching people dump Iori and Olivier into Yujin instead of just fucking using them. But with a community like that, there will always be space for guides, I guess.

[@stgangmc6131]

Vishnya the goat.

[@Robocrab-td8dr]

​@@stgangmc6131Me when R.R.L.L.R.L.L:

[@Alyssciel]

@@ultranumhere It's just funny because big number go brrrr~ Rapid Gashes clone Yujin is funnier though~

[@frankwill7137]

So does that mean we can call her...potential woman?

[@ultranumhere]

this might be the best reason to ship Ish and Heath

[@lighting0b450]

Honestly, if I were a wingbeat fan, I would probably just wait for an Ishmael Walpurgis id that will make the EGO far more consistent.

[@ForgottenFafnir]

I mean the new Walpurgis Yi Sang makes Wingbeat far more consistent too

[@TheLastCurryRice]

I'm no Wingbeat apologist but for a discussion around it probably should have gotten into the expected outputs too rather than looking just at the max potential. Even if it rerolls twice that's better damage than a majority of multi-coin S3s in the game and being a gluttony slash makes it a pretty rare typing for a nuke. Like I ain't saying it's some heavenly gift from Jihoon or anything but it not rolling the 6% chance for full heads doesn't mean it's just completely unusable. If I'm trying to reduce my time by a turn and it's the only thing I have that even has the chance to get that high number this turn, I'm throwing that shit out like a Sheer Cold in Pokemon

[@ultranumhere]

Another person in the comment section has calculated the expected value of a WIngbeat to be 63. Good Ishmael IDs can outperform this number with their skills. You also still risk low-rolling, which happens pretty often, considering that a naked wingbeat has a 30% chance to deal 20 base damage. When fighting encounters with multiple enemies/parts, Ardor Blossom Star is outright better, and in boss fights it really does act as a last resort.

[@TheLastCurryRice]

@@ultranumhere Don't misunderstand me here, I'm not arguing against your opinions, I'm saying the video should have covered those numbers and not the comment section. I get you, you're arguing against the fanatics saying the max potential of this EGO is what makes it "broken" but the points you made only makes those people's points moot. *It doesn't make the EGO's use cases moot*. I use ABS for most situations because it has a lot more use cases; clashes really well and because it's so good against multi-slot enemies; but I don't think it's fair to argue against something by adding a new conditional (enemy has multiple body parts) and not pointing out the fail case of what you're arguing for. (ABS can also hit for 19 at 25% chance) I do feel it's a bad habit for players in general to only think of the ceiling OR the floor of interactions and not anything in between for discussions. It's hard to have a conversation since they keep throwing in new conditionals with more 100% and 0% situations. Also no offense, but comparing the damage output of an ID and an EGO is also a kind of idiotic point because you're not going to be replacing Mind Whip, Harpoon of Obsession, or Flashing Strike when you use Wingbeat or ABS, you're going to be replacing your dinky S1s with it. They play on a difference axis; you can't really compare an ID's skills and an EGO unless the EGO was somehow bad as most units' S1s. I for one love more analytical content for PM's games but I also am very critical of content that puts people into these binary ""heads-or-tails" mindsets because there's SO much use cases for content in their games and to me that's what makes them interesting. Conversations become super bland when one party is saying their 100% is good and another's 0% is bad and the other party simply arguing the inverse.

[@cabbagebutterfly800]

After a 7 heads Wingbeat, Ishmael’s damage sky rocket to a limbilion number, during the attack, she gains 50 sanity and 100% health every 1/limbilionth second. In other words, during the 4 minutes and 11 second following a Jackpot, Ishmael is pratically immortal.

[@the_only_way7808]

I think its mostly just a speedrun ego/funny gamba button when your team struggles to use ABS or doesn't want it for whatever reason. In RR3 for example someone managed a 1 or 2 turn on ambling pearl with it.

[@ultranumhere]

@@the_only_way7808 they probably spent weeks pressing retry stage, holy shit

[@XDFFBXD]

The funny thing is in RR3 you didn't need to use wingbeats to get a 1 turn kill, but it did need essentially perfect coin RNG, skill RNG, and speed RNG.

[@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs]

To be fair in most mirror dungeons most of the downsides are negated due to how MD works Resources? first three floors you dont need ego or anything else, also child in a flash or zipper fixes any resource issue Count/Status? Usually ego gifts solve that issue, making teambuild more flexible. Hell if you get the burn/wrath into bleed ego liu ish becomes an amazing choice for bleed. And since most of the MD boss fights are a turn 1 ego into heal. While i didnt manage to pull wingbeat but i have the shards for this walprugisnacht. But yeah wingbeat is not as good as people say, but also not as bad. Tho things like tremor reverb + everlasting will be 10 x easier to trigger for more damage.

[@ultranumhere]

@@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs let's be real, 6 base sinners demolish hard MD. It's in no way a good place to test things.

[@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs]

@@ultranumhere Yup but at the end of the day its content that you "Have" to do, and a very real place where this can work for that quick dopamine and enkephalin boost. MD is basically the casino that lets you bring your own dice and cards lul.

[@XDFFBXD]

So we just gonna ignore Hong Lu's Land of Illusion Threadspin 4 effect of Next turn: -2 SP Loss efficiency to all allies; -2 to amount of SP lost from E.G.O use. Does this fit in a sinking team? Yes Does this use more lust resources that the sinking team already doesn't have? Yes Should I be doing this? No Will I be doing this anyways. Absolutely Edit: Is this in practice only +2 sanity? Yes Do I feel betrayed? Yes

[@ultranumhere]

Sorry, but that's not how -SP loss efficiency works. If you check the description of the effect, you'll see it only lowers the SP loss from base causes (aka allies dying in most cases), and will only add +2% to every coin due to the "-2 SP lost from Ego skills" effect. I also thought it would work, but it really is just useless.

[@XDFFBXD]

@@ultranumhere Oh that's very good to know and very disappointing

[@smolestoverlord1819]

Maybe the real heads were the friends we made along the way. Wingbeat taught me that.

[@Don9aldo]

If you don't care about hitting all heads (only hitting the 5 that matter for re-use to hit 7 times), chances of hitting all 7 coins assuming -2SP per hit = 12% without passives, 65% with passives maxed. So it's not completely dire XD

[@ultranumhere]

missing the first coin is devastating as it takes away 49 base damage (without counting modifiers from glut frag) and the last coin is the one affected by the most multipliers, so missing that is also a decent chunk of damage gone. It makes the ego even less reward for the same amount of setup

[@acridcesium_9971]

I unironically run Wingbeat in Burn of all teams, since that team doesn't have Fluid Sac for easy healing I need to rely on a combination of Pursuance, Lantern, and Wingbeat to heal. Lantern doesn't really want to be used since Sinclair's SP is more valuable, and Pursuance can't heal Rodya. Giving up Ardor is painful, but burn potency isn't that hard to stack a ton of at least.

[@ultranumhere]

@@acridcesium_9971 why do you need all this healing? Usually 1 pursuance is enough to satisfy all healing needs of a team. Or are you facetanking every single hit for fun? Also doing all this in burn is diabolical. ABS is RIGHT THERE bro. Just run ABS, t4 4MF Ryoshu and Dawnclair for infinite multitarget damage, no need for healing whatsoever Edit: i phrased this in a pretty rude way, but I just want to say that HP healing should be your last priority when building a team

[@terry5183]

Threadspinned 4 after this video. Lets gamble.

[@leoulquiorra2]

Btw as far as i remember you dont need bleed before using wingbeat, wingbeat own bleed counts for ring passive.

[@ultranumhere]

I did say that Wingbeat inflicts bleed only after hitting the 2nd coin, meaning that the 2 procs of Aesthetics will go to the first 2 hits against an enemy with no bleed

[@leoulquiorra2]

@ultranumhere Really, did you test? I remembered being tested and wingbeat inflicted bleed before the sp gain, but i can be wrong

[@ultranumhere]

@@leoulquiorra2 if the enemy has no debuffs whatsoever, yes, you will proc bleed and then aesthetics. But ideally you want to make the most of both Yi Sang and Faust, so you hit into an enemy with sinking, and that's what eats up the 2 procs of Aesthetics. Using yi sang as a solo support will yield just +6 SP in total, and only on the 3rd and 4th coin, meaning it doesn't help with early coin fails.

[@OzenGame]

Let's go gambling ! tails Oh dang it ! tails Oh dang it ! tails Oh dang it ! tails Oh dang it ! tails Oh dang it ! tails Oh dang it ! head * 5 Damn this ego truly is fire

[@bananaguy2009]

can we get a state of rupture video 😭

[@ultranumhere]

Can we get a rupture identity first 😭

[@bananaguy2009]

@@ultranumhere u better wait 10 years 😭

[@lighting0b450]

@@ultranumhere could be Butterfly Sang.

[@Limbuny]

​@@lighting0b450*could* be, but I think he is gonna be sinking and debuff oriented, hence the LoR abnormality pages doing more damage to enemies with debuffs and locking speed dice and the Lob Corp weapon doing white and black damage (damages both sanity/mind and does physical damage)

[@borger8045]

@@lighting0b450 dawg we see the sinking particle effect in the PV, no rupture effect in sight

[@Senguh]

Its fun trying to make Wingbeat work and doing all the setup, most of my other teams still work fine when i just press win procent. So its a nice way to force me to really play the game. Also gamba fun.

[@Lyfesteal]

The last 3 times I used this E.G.O. it somehow got all hits off and saved my ass during a fight each time. I was starting to wonder if it was bugged XD

[@Demonix_Heller]

I don’t even care about Wingbeat damage. I wanted it because of the healing. It gave healing to my burn team and that was phenomenal in md

[@ultranumhere]

healing is for those who plan on taking damage :^)

[@NuclearRaven13]

Hopefully with the new butterfly effect, it should be easier to make it consistent

[@ultranumhere]

It might be, but I tnink it also might be difficult to outdo RingSang's max 18 SP recovered in focused encounters

[@Cosporcos-Q]

Your math is correct for the maximum damage wingbeat, but for a passably good wingbeat you don't need the first coin heads as reflips happen starting on coin 2, and you also don't need it on the final coin as at that point it cant reflip anymore. This means the math for a pretty good wingbeat is like, 30ish percent higher odds than what is displayed here. Additionally, I don't believe it was out when this video was made, but using wingbeat on a team with both of the inflicters of butterfly, she becomes MUCH more consistent as a secondary nuke due to the sp heal effect of living butterfly. Plus having both of the silly hundred coin egos on the same team makes me extremely happy.

[@ultranumhere]

About Butterfly: it wasn't out when making this video, but the Living is capped at 15, and with 1 SP healed per 4 stacks with rounding down, you're capped at +3 SP per hit. This is nowhere near as good as an instant 18 SP injection from RingSang, so I wouldn't recommend using SL over him if you're going for a funny Wingbeat. SL Gregor can help, but you will have to seriously luck out with the Living infliction. Luckily Linton Greg has good speed, so their preferred move order isn't unlikely.

[@Cosporcos-Q]

​@@ultranumhere I double checked my math, and the base odds of a getting any degree of 7 coin wingbeat raw is 13.5ish percent. Using the butler and pointilist, in a sinking team with molar ishmael wielding it, there are 2 debuffs at first (sinking and tremor) then sinking tremor bleed, so pointilist has a 6 and a 9 proc, butler has her full 4 3 procs. That ups the odds up to a 54.2% chance of getting wingbeat's 7th coin. Even if you hit tails on the first and last coin it's still 211 damage on a neutral target which is 100% respectable. If you have the setup with a butterfly gregor nuke before wingbeat, (and roll for ishmael to get the support passives on her, tbh this is the awkward part) you can actually stabilize back up around max sanity, and in that case you get roughly a 62.1% chance of getting the 7th coin. Out of curiosity I ran some python code to get the odds of gregor's ego getting 8+ living rolls off of his ego, and that's only a ~2.78% chance so not worth counting on, but as long as you have 1 living roll of butterfly it will refund a minimum of 1 sanity on hit so even just solemn lament gregor can enable the sanity gain consistently And as a final note: I do agree that tunnel vision is bad, but there's something to be said for using creativity to maximize a funny niche strategy. That's the way innovation happens, after all. And besides you think in a silly gacha game maximizing one thing and opting not to look around for better options is just fun sometimes? Yeah it's objectively strong to just use the pointilist and 5 other meta warping stat sticks, that gets boring??? I like flipping a thousand coins even if it's not optimal. Anyways I got a spreadsheet with the math and code for the gregor's odds of rolling living if anybody is interested lol edit: numbers changed around because my math was set up wrong lol

[@BNik92]

For crying out loud, Gregor S3 massacres Potency yes but it's -1 Count if the target gets staggered or was staggered. That's hardly the end of the world. Especially considering his S2 is +3 Count

[@ultranumhere]

I will die on the "gregor is bad" hill

[@jaredlol1]

Hey, great video, I agree with your analysis in general. However you gloss over the fact that sinking teams actually have pretty decent lust gem now in wildcliff counter.

[@ultranumhere]

I've seen this a couple times already, but isn't heath's counter pretty bad for him in general when used in a full team? I mean, you get 1 lust, then the next counter turns into LMaD, then the next one does too if you're not low on SP, and if you are, then you're effectively sacrificing heathcliff's value for a little more Lust unless you have a perfect LMaD to bounce back in terms of SP, but even then it's not that much production, almost like any other character's s2 but with drawbacks. He can definitely help, but this comes back to the main question of the video: at what cost?

[@redbeansnotrice]

@@ultranumhere i just spam counter and it works fine cause funny OP number big

[@NetzachEnjoyer]

Liked and subbed, nice vid.

[@ultranumhere]

Much appreciated!

[@odbp1112]

WE BOD ON THIS HOUSE WE TRASH DISPOSAL IN THIS HOUSE WE WINDBEAT IN THIS HOUSE IT'S ALWAYS A 100% IF YOU BELIEVE ON THE HARD OF THE CARDS

[@alastellabears8083]

It’s called a wing beat team or alternatively a LETS GO GAMBLING team

[@mega-supp]

11:36 All targets for passives are determined at combat start and don't change, so no Rodya won't eat away at Ish sanity. Also what stops you from putting 1 bleed ID into your sinking team? Just replace Butler outis with ring Outis and enjoy 6 bleed count on s2, yes it does eat through sinking count but considering molar Ish self-sustains sinking count you should still be able to set up the nuke turn. Also solves the lust problem pretty easily. The lust problem isn't even that dramatic, have you forgot Erlcliff has a lust counter? You do gloss over the fact that the team you presented doesn't generate any gluttony (it's easily fixed by Dieci meursault). Even if you don't want ring outis because she eats through count like crazy you can use KK ryoshu instead of dieci meursault to generate gluttony and give a bit less bleed but also not eat sinking count as much (has a lust s3 and guard too).

[@AnonymousInternetUserLaine]

Okay but here me out, in MD you can roll more that 100 with Wingbeat Rule of cool takes priority here

[@ultranumhere]

in md you can roll over 100 with skills bro

[@pondfox757]

i literally use it for the healing... if it hits funny numbers that's an added bonus

[@ultranumhere]

bro heals

[@pondfox757]

@@ultranumhere it's an ego it's a use sometimes type thing i just run it instead of ardor blossom star for the most part 😭

[@lighting0b450]

​@@ultranumhereto be fair, it does heal 20% of max hp with that first coin.

[@cca9961]

i feel that you are way to focus on the maximum the real important part are the averages which are nothing: 82.5 faust: 103.9 yi sang: 130.9 both: 177.9 another important part if you are not spamming are the mediums since they are the more frequent damage amount, they are nothing:45.7 faust:52.1 yi sang:130.9 both:221.5 since most ego individual damage are in the 40 to 50 range this are really high for a healing ego

[@ultranumhere]

it's not a healing ego, it's a dedicated damage ego, and you still have to give up 2 awesome units and a lot of resources to make it work, it's just not worth it.

[@cca9961]

@@ultranumhere granted is more of a bonus since its damage its just so high but this shit heals a ton and is ishmael only healing option (i am not going to pretend that is the best ego but its very good)

[@Just_Someone610]

Solemn Lament Gregor: Hold my gun

[@ultranumhere]

He's gonna be better I just know it

[@iKingOf]

How are those the only Rodions youd have? Im... confused

[@ultranumhere]

those are the only Bleed Rodions. I filtered them by bleed in the ID filter menu

[@vagrantspirit1826]

i just like to use it when ish has no good skills left in big fights that way it doesn't matter that i got unlucky i still don't lose too much.

[@ultranumhere]

I mean, at this point hit with Ardor Blossom Star, hits for 41 power, free clash win

[@jakkees]

​@@ultranumhereand also costs 4 wrath 2 lust 1 envy with a burn passive

[@ultranumhere]

@@jakkees well, yeah

[@vagrantspirit1826]

@@ultranumhere yea but big gamba go brrrr

[@vagrantspirit1826]

especially when you get to finish a fight in style.

[@codyivvel1728]

This and Relentless stabbings are just skills that a little more overrated than they should. Both are rerolls with high damage outputs but such garbage consistency in a game where the meta is mostly just consistent damage dealers.

[@ultranumhere]

Gambling really isn't optimal

[@ssem7001]

Counterpoint: wingbeat is fun

[@ultranumhere]

Real

[@Riiiiiiiy]

Can you link me the video for best ego skills in limbus company you talk about at 0:40 ? I can't find it

[@serminimus1]

Would it be alright if I made a run based of this video? I will of course give credit to you and put your channel in the description if that is alright with you

[@ultranumhere]

ofc, why not

[@Cyridi31]

В кратце: гамба

[@AmoreyYaoiSecks]

i can switch to ardor blossom star any time i want

[@ultranumhere]

all addicts say this

[@HelterwithoutSkelter]

we gamblers, we gamble, Meat time

[@ericquiabazza2608]

You use wingbeat for damage I do for the support pasive, and ardor blossom is only for emergencies. We are not the same

[@ultranumhere]

I carry Ardor Blossom on me every day, you never know when you're gonna have an emergency

[@lintonl1176]

Poor video timing look at the new butterfly status for Solemn Lament Yi Sang and Gregor might significantly up the chamces of throwing all heads depending on the sp gain

[@ultranumhere]

Yeah, I'm making a followup once he releases Kinda unfortunate for the relevance of the video, but I believe with the right control this might save wingbeat and I'm honestly all for it.

[@cabbagebutterfly800]

Wait, if we use Wingbeat after Ryme Shank, wouldn’t Rodion be the lower sp sinner? And since she goes first and you somehow healed Rodion’s sp rigght after using Ryme Shank, Rodion would hve eaten up 1 use of Faust’s passive.

[@richardomilos8686]

Or just use ardor for the crazy weight and high roll.

[@ultranumhere]

that's what I'm saying!

[@awanama4565]

aww dang it

[@Whatifscenario4433]

That last comment was very out of nowhere in an otherwise straight forward video. Gave me whiplash, please try not to do something like that again as it devalues the video having that be the last thing you touch on.

[@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180]

Its not very consistent but if you do get some of the higher payoffs, it does immense amounts of damage.

[@ultranumhere]

I know. But hitting for 300 base on every 5th hit is worse that just using the skills of a good Ishmael ID. You don't lose SP and ego resorces, and the outcome is entirely consisitent. The whole poin of the video is to show that the amount of setup and sacrifices that Wingbeat requires does not justify it even in the best use case

[@jakkees]

mfw 50+ final power with 7 coins for 6 resources and the neat fanservice passive

[@minh4341]

Hear me out we gon get more sp heal passives soon 🗣🔥🔥🔥 (average wingbeat coper)

[@ultranumhere]

we kinda are getting that tho, the new solemn lament looks kinda promising

[@aureuix4674]

Luck is skill

[@Un_Named05]

Blah blah blah LETS GO GAMBLING!

[@BigbangNic]

Anyway I started gambling

[@swkuhn10]

Nah I'd gamble

[@dunnman9697]

Do you think she fw one piece

[@ultranumhere]

@@dunnman9697 I don't think in general

[@Nightfallme]

Good video but i rather use ding ding ding ego instead

[@JusticeTaskForce]

Is the risk dlc worth?

[@ultranumhere]

ngl, if you're on the fence about buying it, probably wait for the patch before deciding. The new content is okay, but a lot of the items don't fit into the game very well and the survivors lack quality in their animations. The stages and music are great, but the bugs make the game utterly unplayable.

[@BoxCox]

There is a very simple way to calculate the Expected value of the damage of this skill. Its 0.3*3 + the sum of 0.7^n(3+7n) where n goes from 0 to 5. If we sum it up it rounds up to around 50. On average this skill will deal 50 damage. Not a great value but not the worst, tbh. A great way to fuel my casino addiction though. Edit: I missed the fragility, with it it would be a little more over 63

[@ultranumhere]

@@BoxCox Wingbeat, a dedicated single-target damage skill from a limited event, having a sanity-to-damage conversion rate of less than 2 is hilarious

[@BoxCox]

​​​@@ultranumhereyeah, it's marginally more than 2 now that I realized that the first coin is separate from the reused one but hey. You can't roll banners all day but you can roll on your combat performance almost indefinitely so there is value there. I think I also missed fragility, with it it would be around 64.

[@mrfatfreak6282]

0% chance 100% fAith

[@ultranumhere]

gambling

[@ComputerGamingg]

Hakari ahh ego😭

[@ultranumhere]

Never bet on wingbeat

[@ssharkiggo6432]

If bad… why *bad*…

[@ultranumhere]

the 14 minutes and 21 seconds of video footage and dubbing:

[@ssharkiggo6432]

@@ultranumhere if bad… why hot?

[@ultranumhere]

@@ssharkiggo6432 i have realized I missed the joke completely on the first comment lol

[@skynetroll8981]

Wing beat has been a piece of shit since the library. My God, it even seems to me that using BoD is more appropriate, although I still can't figure out what naturall roll means, funny prank will increase the chance of success to 50% or not, and the purple tear page will work if 4 drops out the second time or will it ruin everything? And going back to Wingbeat, it seems to me that I have never seen it work more than 2 times in my life. In the end, I had to put up with it and use Xiao and Hana cards to heal normally and not suffer from fire. Wing beat ещё с библиотеке был тем ещё говнищем. Господи, мне даже кажется, что использовать BoD целесообразнее, хотя я всё ещё не могу понять что значит naturall roll, funny prank увеличит шанс успеха до 50% или нет, а страница фиолетовой слезы сработает если во второй раз выпадет 4 или она всё испортит? А возвращаясь к Wingbeat мне кажется, что я в жизни не видел, как он срабатывает больше 2 раз. В итоге мне пришлось смириться и использовать карты Сяо и ассоциации Хана, чтобы нормально лечиться и не страдать от огня.

[@ultranumhere]

funny prank does increase the chances to 50%, and PT's passive increases the odds to 75% on top of funny prank. But PLEASE don't take funny prank over other tier II abno pages on hod, and don't attribute PT ever, she's too good. That's the whole reason BoD is bad - the means don't justify the end. also why'd you hit me with a 2-language wombo combo?

[@skynetroll8981]

@@ultranumhere Because I am Russian and I am pleased to see my native speech under the video and to know that there is a place for us in the PM community. Therefore, perhaps if someone from the CIS sees their native language under the video, they will also remember this and they will be pleased. Thanks for the great video. It's nice to remember how I tried to maximize some things.

[@lighting0b450]

@@skynetroll8981 Натуральное значение - это ролл без модификаторов. Например, Евгения кидает БоД, 1-4, выпадает например 2, но отображает 3, потому что eye of death.

[@lighting0b450]

@@skynetroll8981 На самом деле, мне кажется, что wingbeat в лоре был лучше, ибо разброс в 3-8 это и (5/6)⁶ (около 50%) на то, чтобы роллнули все кубы, и для странички за 4 ролляет она вполне себе.

[@lighting0b450]

@@skynetroll8981 Вообще, wingbeat в руине значительно лучше своей версии в лимбусе, ибо ролляет 3-8, что позволяет атаковать всеми кубами с шансом (5/6)⁶, что примерно равно 50%, если я не ошибся с вычислениями, ну и оно стоит всего 4, что позволяет его комбинировать с другими картами в той же сцене.

[@АнтонВолков-д7л]

Sooo... Mirror dungeon (gifts that stack *sinking/bleed* ), bench Pointillist Yi Sang AND Wuthering Faust, spend 100-ish cost to "charge up" Ishmael and *then* roll that sweet 40%... Did I just make a neutered Ahabmael team? TL;DR: Classic "Bell curve" 1-2% - Just use flame butterfly; 96% Noo, Wingbeat viable, just play a very niche build! 1-2% - Just use flame butterfly

[@TheRovingPunster]

You completely missed out on land of illusion as a consistency tool. Its effect at U4 completely stops the SP loss effect from the reuse coins. You only need 2/3 of the consistency tools to make wingbeat attempts reasonable. So its completely reasonable to run wingbeat in "generic team that uses rodion honglu ishmael, but missing either faust or yisang" Not to mention if you somehow get all 3 working, you have a 75% chance of a 7 coiner and 58% chance of it being perfect (1st and 7th coins are allowed to roll tails and still roll 7 coins)

[@ultranumhere]

@@TheRovingPunster Sorry, but that's not how -SP loss efficiency works. If you check the description of the effect, you'll see it only lowers the SP loss from base causes (aka allies dying in most cases), and will only add +2% to every coin due to the "-2 SP lost from Ego skills" effect. I also thought it would work, but it really is just useless.

[@Jerold_Howard]

@@ultranumherethank god I don’t have to uptie 4 Hong Lu’s base ego to get extra consistency on wingbeat