How Good is Solemn Lament Gregor Actually? [Limbus Company]

[@quintessenceoflife7870]

Far more reliable wingbeat imo. While it lacks the innate destructive capabilities of wingbeat, it has reliability of not needing to land heads to continue to reuse the coin. He'll continue rolling so long as his SP is above 0. Working your team to debuff the enemy to nuke them is easier then relying on RNG to land the coins for wingbeat.

[@ultranumhere]

This is a high-potential EGO done right. If you hit all heads, it's a lot more damage than hitting all tails, but the effects of proccing Sinking/Butterfly are unchanged, letting you use it as a specific tool with full consistency. The Risk/Reward factor of Wingbeat makes it fun to pull off a perfect roll, but I much prefer a reliable EGO like SL.

[@therandombag2121]

Dunno about lacking the destructive capabilities of wingbeat lmfao, with enough setup the damage matches if not goes above wingbeat.

[@tunasandwich1909]

@@therandombag2121 thats why they said "innate", not potential capabilities

[@the_delusional_dreamer]

@@therandombag2121they said INNATE, which means on its own without prior setup (Sinking,…)

[@the_delusional_dreamer]

@@therandombag2121 WB can deal atmost 309 raw damage on its own while SL can only deal 156 raw damage on its own, it can reach 396 against enemies with 99 Sinking and 15 Departed

[@Not_Rui_]

Gregor has been getting some big love in sinking, with bygone days being good sp healing and some clutch on-kill resource gen and solemn lament being just overall really strong. I hope his IDs also begin catching up in strength too cuz all his 00s are mid af.

[@ultranumhere]

I hope bro finally gets that Rhino team ID the concept of which is older than the game itself. I really like Greg's design, and being forced to reduce him to the "heal 5 HP on clash win" passive on 90% of teams hurts me

[@oofink467]

I hope the zwei comeback is real via zwei west honostly, cause if you take a closer look at zwei gregors kit, its actually kind of really good if it can meet its conditionals Theoretical infinite shield on s1 clash lose, 2 haste otherwise. 16 rolling s2 that gets a big damage boost on its last coin 23 rolling s3 that gets a 50% damage boost on all its coins

[@HelterwithoutSkelter]

he deserves it after garden of thorns

[@Egospair]

He's insanely strong, in non-focused encounters he easily kills 2-3 enemies with one usage and in focused encounters it takes barely any setup to deal half the boss' hp

[@ultranumhere]

I really want to know which enemies you tested this on, because this really sounds like an early-game or Walpurg 4 take

[@lighting0b450]

By the way, with the addition of those 2, I think we now have BLACK, RED and WHITE damage types, so I wonder when will the PALE id/EGO come out. That Crumbling Armour EGO sword and itNoLaH do have PALE after all, so it might be not in the distant future. But we are clearly not getting Justia, Paradise Lost or Twilight any time soon.

[@ultranumhere]

@lighting0b450 I can definitely see a Crumbling Armor Ryoshu in the future (but probably not soon, considering she just got a walpurg ID) Also I feel like the best way to implement Pale would be through Rupture, and PM need to figure out how to make it work in general first. (Trust in Devyat Rodya)

[@lighting0b450]

@@ultranumhere how about Heathcliff? (Also, I really want itNoLaH Sinclair, like, they are made for each other.)

[@user-dyegbau]

​@ultranumhere honestly doubt that would happen. As they would prob just give Walpurgis to other sinners who havent gotten a walpurgis id yet. And by the time it circles back around to Ryoshu the sinners will be well above the HE power level.

[@user-dyegbau]

​@@lighting0b450 not to be rude but what is itNoLaH 😭

[@lighting0b450]

@@user-dyegbau you can't be rude by simply asking. itNoLaH is In The Name Of Love And Hate, it's the Queen of Hatred's E.G.O.

[@senarman420]

justice for my boy gregor all he needs now is a god tier id

[@ultranumhere]

Rhino team ID when

[@oofink467]

Gregor already has 2 top tier ids as long as you can meet their conditionals (zwei LITERALLY has access to infinite shield via s1 due to not having a max cap on its clash lose conditional) and linton gregor is like the second best sinking count sustain behind molar ishmael

[@LlNDAMEA]

Heh.

[@Kostej]

He go pew pew

[@ultranumhere]

undeniable truth

[@justarandomguy8417]

didn't hear it mentioned so heads up, a good way to get solemn sang faster than Gregor consistently for the E.G.O turn would be to use corroded binds heathcliff he'll probably take butler faust's passive but, I'd say the buffs on a good bit of the team are extremely worth it if you got it and makes the S.T AOE very worthwhile, unless you are attacking the generator in the dreaming sheep fight

[@ultranumhere]

great point, I advocate for not using Faust as a support anyways, so it's just a large buff and more consistency. Really expensive tho

[@potatosalad4594]

Now THIS is what I reached pity for!

[@dudep504]

11:11 video duration intentional? since 11 looks like a pair of guns?

[@ultranumhere]

totally (it's actually closer to 11:10, but YT rounds up for some reason, so it gave me a funny video length)

[@carrot.j]

That's a lot of words just to say he's pretty useful

[@ericquiabazza2608]

Video idea: Analisis on Hook hong lue and Lantern Don, the 00 of WNight. Why? With the resent WN a MASSIVE intake of player got their first taste of it, and woth it the 00, but as all 00, most dont know how good or bad they are and may just ignore or be disapointed A video about them helps new players catch on. Aditionally, Hook hong lu is from the first WN, thus has suffer trought power creep moew than Don. Yet the unit is sill a solid special 00, just with a particular team sinergy. Thus, is important to concider when thinking about Hook Ryoshu and Meurasault if they whereto come out in the future.

[@watercat9475]

hes currently the only EGO ive gotten from Walpurgisnacht since it took me a bit to get into limbus, but god damn is he not useful as hell for a beginner. i have no gregor to fit my team comps but occasionally solemn lament's damage is enough to get base gregor the victory screen

[@nightarrow7336]

Another id that works too (not meta, just for the meme) is pirate greg with his coin boost and crit. This in theory is the id that will deal max damage.

[@Alyssciel]

Honestly, I will now proceed to use Solemn Lamen Gregor/Yi Sang and make a Ruina mod with it hahahaha~ I love Solemn Lament and I'm glad it's everything I wanted and more~

[@boxtupos7718]

I mean you'll be running Rimeshank and Wildhunt Heathcliff in human fights with Heir Gregor. So they'll literally just clear humans fights easily. Solemn Lament EGO is for bursting bosses down; Since that's sort of what a good Sinking team is "lacking" (Like not really, a lot of Sinking IDs/EGO already deal really good and consistent damage).

[@Dont_.]

Not sure of how relevant this will be in the future, but right now this EGO is AMAZING at RR4. Thanks to the envy peccatula having poor defenses, they get destroyed so easily. Even human enemies like Josephine and Nelly take a lot of damage with a simple setup. So far loving the EGO.

[@ultranumhere]

@@Dont_. ngl all the new content feeds sinking perfectly. Jihoon knows how to subtly make money

[@Dont_.]

Yup. But It's kinda neat seeing it working so well in RR4, since its not that new atp. But im not surprised, since the passive gives extra damage against corroded enemies. I believe it was made with the peccatulas in mind.

[@dunnman9697]

screw solemn lament yi sang(WHY CANT I PULL YOU OUT OF THAT BANNER GRAHHH), gregor my goat

[@ultranumhere]

Real, this is my eperience as well

[@ComputerGamingg]

PEAK NEEDS ABSOLUTE GLOOM RES

[@Isaac-fm2ly]

You didn't mentioned Hong lu base ego

[@ultranumhere]

@Isaac-fm2ly it only lowers the SP used by the initial EGO use. The effect of -2 SP Loss Efficiency only applies to base SP loss causes (like allies dying) Effectively you use 6 Ego resources for 2 SP

[@BerRPP]

How we get him?

[@eiiminate3322]

Now make a solemn lament yi sang full si king team ples

[@justlittleoldme4589]

Yuo - wrinkly brain , ugly thinks alot: maek good setup for good gigor dameg Me - smooth brain , pretty , happy: hi hiii , i use gigor ego , bye bye half of the enemy team -w- :33333

[@Ariamaki]

"Human teams in general just suck at human fights" is maybe the worst take I have seen today. The team that can instantly Panic every human in a fight Turn 1 without EGO gifts? That team? That team is bad at human fights. Sure thing boss! Please play the comp more before judging the mechanical impact of something: In human fights the Attack Weight of this EGO is a huge boon, turning what would be multiple coins of wasted overkill damage into spread that helps shred soft targets both mentally and physically.

[@ultranumhere]

Yes, sinking teams suck in human fights. The team is heavily overrated. They can panic every enemy? That's so cool, my Poise and Charge teams are rolling 25+ on turn 3 in the meantime. But even if I don't go through most team comps and why they are better than sinking, have YOU played the game? Last time I checked, Sinking sucked dick and balls at being inflicted to multiple enemies at once, and don't even get me started on butterfly. And you're trying to tell me, that wasting most of the damage on targets with no additional effects is a "huge boon"? Even if we take your niche ass example of SL being used to finish off an enemy (because you brought the low damage slow setup team to a human encounter for some reason), the total damage is still not higher than against a boss, and spreading it out to two enemies will lead to none of them being staggered unless they're specifically gloom/blunt weak. You're better off just using one of Gregor's skills to finish off the enemy, and saving the heavy SP cost for another turn. Also, I've spent a good 100-150+ hours playing sinking recently, so don't come at me with the "play the team more" bullshit, I know what I'm talking about. The best use case for a Sinking team is in bossfights. Against abnormalities it's blue rupture, against human bosses it's eternal -45. Sinking is only really competetive on bossfights, and even there Bleed has it beat. Charge, Poise, and even Tremor all beat it in human encounters. Tremor actually can achieve better results than Sinking against bossses as well, as long as their resistances aren't specifically catered to Sinking. You're lucky Burn doesn't have a real nuke, cause if it did, it would be better, too. Though it can still be better on human fights with the help of Dawnclair. SInking has WH Heath, but Dawnclair comes online much quicker, and the effect that he requires actually stays on the enemy for more that 1 turn. But hey, it's better than rupture! I sure hope the Devyat Association won't save Rupture and render Sinking totally useless! Oh, and if your opinion comes from playing MD, please don't bother answering.

[@demikuna]

damn this mf got murdered 😭

[@Ariamaki]

@@ultranumhere My brother in christ, that just is not the functional experience actual players are having. I have rock-solid teams for every status and build, I'm fully account-complete, and I guarantee you? My Sinking team performs neck and neck with the others every day of the week, in every piece of content. My RR4 clear? Sinking. My challenge fights? Sinking. My dailies? Sinking? MD? I cycle my teams so I can get my Starlight, duh. :V

[@ultranumhere]

You're playing sinking only? And you're wondering why I get better results with non-sinking teams? I think it's not me who needs to play more Sinking, i think you need to get some experience with other teams outside of md.

[@golnert]

Sibling could work in human fights but like it’s not that good and works way better against focused encpunters

[@Jarendor]

Whel, sadly this ego only for boy Gregor. I dont know wich better, butterfly id for Greg, or solem ego for Yi sang. But anyway, this is just great ego and id. We got real gun and not cheap copy of weapon like other ids have.

[@ultranumhere]

Nah, it's great that Gregor got the ego, he has been lacking a good EGO for a while now, and his Edgar Family Heir Identity synergizes with SL perfectly.

[@lighting0b450]

Hehe, I get to be the first one to comment. I love this EGO, but threadspin 3 is awful.

[@ultranumhere]

It's kinda usable at t3 if you use it to proc Butterfly/Sinking, but the lower SP healing makes getting back to 45 SP in one turn actually challenging

[@lighting0b450]

@@ultranumhere also the roll of 11 is just a joke in rr4/MD4R, so he has to go one-sided most of the time.

[@MathewTNelson]

Can we get much higher?

[@ultranumhere]

so high

[@hoanqlonk4042]

If you have bad RNG like me (hit all tails TWO TIMES in a row with 40+ sanity) then SL is better than Wingbeat.

[@TrulyBS-QJ]

If the ourobourous is hungry and wants to bah humbug the perpetrator that has left it emotionally malnourished and numb, as long as it isn't done somewhere visible or in front of others. It will feed itself emotions and sensation it denied itself from experiencing with others by choosing to be too inferior for them to treat like a human being. So the ourobourous eats its own tail. "No one is allowed to hello you but us", family and friends and those looked up to say and beleive. As long as what the ourobourous has done to itself never leaves its mouth, it has some semblance of safety. It hates causing even more problems for those they care about. If those that love it witnesses what the ourobourous has done to itself following their teachings, they will be hurt. They will be angry. It will make the ourobourous even more yee yee ahh haircut to them, their treatment of this perpetrator that hurt them even worse. A perpetrator deserving worse. Endlessly.

[@LiIium]

Back-to-back trash takes, this ego slams most lineups that appear, not sure why people don't think so, its straight up a better wingbeat with less setup.

[@ultranumhere]

At some point sinking fans have to try a different team and see that sinking is just weaker in comparison

[@Lh0000]

Yeah this man does not get sinking… honestly he doesn’t get statuses in general

[@ultranumhere]

@Lh0000 how are you all so stubborn? Have you played other teams? The main reason sinking is so popular right now is because most of the new content is weak to blunt and/or gloom, which is abundant in Sinking. The effect itself only luck-proofs the early game against humans, and usually doesn't stack well enough on abnos to outdamage Bleed. Not to mention that Rime Shank is the only way of keeping up a meaningful amount of Sinking on a multi-target encounter (this still only applies in multi-part abno fights, as when fighting 6 humans she only gets to affect half the enemy roster) I want you to come back to this comment in 3-4 months, when new content will likely be catered to Bleed, considering Don's lore, and I want you to realize just how much recency bias has impacted your view of the game's meta.

[@Lh0000]

@@ultranumhere yes I have. Have YOU played sinking? You act like everyone who disagrees with you is just some fool who’s never played anything but sinking when no, your just wrong and people are calling you out on it

[@Lh0000]

@@ultranumhere like my brother in Christ even if we assume for sake of argument, bleed became the best status and everything resists anything not slash, so what? Sinking is still good, its damage is partially gimped, but it still would be fucking good. Like you are just coping, it stacks just fine, bleed DOESNT STACK AT ALL right now, since in story content you can’t reliably go count positive on anything with more then one skill slot, but even if it did that would just make bleed better not sinking worse. I genuinely don’t get how you think you’re making an actual argument here. You can like other statuses nothing is wrong with that, but that doesn’t make you correct here, you’re still just wrong, and your take is still bad. Lmao

[@Mikairium]

yeah i'd say its good, but its just... overhyped lol. one thing you didnt mention: What the FUCK is 11 rolls at threadspin 3 and 14 roll at ts4 😭😭😭 you literally can NOT clash with this ego unless the boss is using a weak skill 😭😭😭😭

[@ultranumhere]

Eh, you don't always need a powerful clash on a skill with high damage. I guess having to tank a hit is another price to pay for using this skill.