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[@WoodcraftBySuman]

If you are interested in trying out Carbon Method's Ceramic Nanofinish, this kit is all you need to get started: carbonmethod.com/ceramic-nanofinish-quick-kit/

[@interdimensionalsailboat]

It seems to me very much like a bpa/pfoa thing, where its that hydrophobic. I am skeptical of the safety.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

@@interdimensionalsailboat it’s not meant for high heat or direct food contact application. When applying the finish, appropriate respirators and gloves should be worn. It is my understanding that ceramic coatings are inert under normal use and circumstances once cured. With that being said, it’s always a good idea to be skeptical of safety and health implications.

[@Stillworks]

I feel like I can always trust your rigor and competency in the scientific method. Great video, again.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

I can always trust you for a good laugh. Thanks John!

[@awildschuetz1]

I am so glad that you covered this. I've been tempted to invest in the UV cured finishes since I first saw Cam use one on Blacktail Studio, but I couldn't justify the cost to try a replacement for finishes that already work for my purposes. During the video, I was just waiting for you to introduce the free UV option, and greatly appreciate that you were thorough with all of the options. Once again, great content, excellent editing, and superb jokes! With how concise you keep your videos, especially considering how much time, effort and $$$ you put into them, I think you'll have 100K subscribers by the end of the year!

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Thanks Aaron! I really wish vesting made a 200mL or anything less than 500mL option for people to try the finish because it really is spectacular! But being able to cure the stuff so quickly is an absolute game changer in how I have been approaching finishing lately. I MIGHT even refinish my previously lacquered dining table while still IN the house because the VOCs are negligible enough with cross ventilation in the summer time. I don't think i'll be using any other finishes going forward unless its a weird shaped objects where spraying makes the most sense. Def recommend trying it out. Same goes for the ceramic nano finish products. While it is an ad in the video and there is a possibility of bias, I am really digging it so far.

[@tomim7187]

Thanks for the primer! This really is an exciting new development for the shop.

[@giorgiochiappini1931]

Awesome content as usual Suman, thank you!

[@brucen4719]

Wonderful video - thank you so much for taking the time to share what have learned with the rest us!

[@alexschenck25]

Always great! Thank you!!

[@petekeuning]

Thanks for the super detailed information. Looks like a lot of work went into this one.

[@devinwhall9407]

I have been experimenting with hobby grade uv resins for guitar building and wood finishing. I have tried solarez, jdiction, and “ nicpro uv resin” brands. Understand they are different, craft uv resins are epoxy/acrylic while the solarez is acrylic modified polyester. Polyester by nature is much harder. I bought a 300w 385nm, yes I said 385nm panel for $85 on amazon and attached to a mic boom arm so I could move it around at different angles. What you will find is because uv cure resins are oxygen inhibited, only some resins get hard when applying thin layers. Jdiction for example dries hard but only with thicker layers. If you want a rock hard scratch resistant surface that lays down beautifully, try solarez I can’t believe it’s not lacquer grain filler/sealer brush on. I have used this both as sealer and a finish because it’s hardness and sand ability is much greater than craft uv resins. Here is real kicker you can actually make your own or buy acrylic modified or strait polyester uv resin for $85 a gallon at most surf shops. It’s been manufactured by a company called simlar for years. You can thin it and even add mekp if you want to dual cure. One thing to note is that if you use mekp it’s not low voc anymore. Good video keep experimenting.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

That’s great! Thank you for your insights and wisdom. I’ll defiantly have to check out the solarez products

[@aranha_discoteca]

Really great video, thanks Suman!

[@NerderousRage]

Fantastic video as always. Definitely going to look into using these!

[@congruewoodworks1474]

Thanks for this video and information! Gotta say; I love the tech toys you have to make this video, my kind of jam.

[@jonanderstangen6184]

Well delivered as always sir! Looking forward to the next one :)

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Thank you! 😊

[@NWGR]

Great video and testing dude, thanks for posting! I had no idea those hardwax uv finishes were a thing. Curing in seconds is a gamechanger.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

For sure! I didn’t really start to appreciate them until recently and had been a major change in my shop.

[@davidcowperthwaite1159]

ALWAYS so interesting! Thanks for your work on this.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

My pleasure! Thank you for watching 🙌

[@michaeldean2053]

Great test. Thank you for your time and effort.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Glad you liked it!

[@SandyMasquith]

Thanks Suman. Great video. I really appreciate this information. I had heard of UV finishes, but hadn't seen much about them. I think at this point I'm ready to do some testing of my own. The VOC scores are a major plus, so thank you for providing that information. I think I'll be using the "free cure" method!!! ;)

[@ArnallWoodworks]

Dude. What a great video. Thank you.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching!

[@Thomllama]

Super cool as always!

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@nicholasmanovich4330]

Thanks for putting the time to figure this type of stuff out....I do get lost in some of your technical mumbo jumbo but trust your conclusions. Awesome video as always!!!!

[@BurlandFeather]

Another great informative video Suman! 👍🏻 I recently used Rubio Pure on ambrosia maple and I hated it. After a bit of testing myself I switching to Rubio 5% white. It gave the maple a more “natural” look and removed the yellowing color.

[@joeporkka2047]

Back in the day I used a fluorescent tube uv light for erasing EEPROMs. It was super cheap - just a few bucks. Just a typical 12 or 18" tube that fit in a compact fluorescent fixture (like you might use for under cabinet lighting). I believe I got the tube from some beauty supply or something like that. They are/were used for sanitizing clippers, brushes, etc. I don't know the wavelengths it produced but it worked quickly for EEPROMs, and could also give you a suntan 🙂 A lot less fancy than LEDs, but a whole lot cheaper.

[@bradnail99]

Remove (or never apply) the phosphor coating inside the tube, and every fluorescent lamp is a UV source.

[@skeery2605]

I've been waiting a while for this video. I heard you were making it on Wittworks livestream.. I'm definitely going to look into UV finishes now for my products..

[@sapelesteve]

Very interesting and informative video Suman! 👍👍

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Glad you liked it! Thank you 🙌

[@imagoXX]

Outstanding breakdown as always!!

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Much appreciated! Thank you!

[@atomictyler]

I'm surprised at how little time it takes in the sun, that's amazing! Sounds like something worth trying out now that I know that.

[@stevesiefken6432]

Great info

[@simoncapizzi9689]

Great video as always

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Appreciate that. Thank you 🙌

[@liquidrockaquatics3900]

Combine this channel with project farm and you have a lot of science going on. Check out the paper towel episode specifically for disposable yet reusable lint free paper towels- some kind of aerospace wipes made perfectly for this type of thing

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

I love his channel! Also checked out the video you recommended. Going to get some of the wipes and try them out. Appreciate ya!

[@coleeverman672]

Fantastic video brother. Can't wait until these finishes are commonplace. You know one of the big box brands like Varathane or Minwax has to be sprinting to market right now.

[@BMSculptures]

Very good info right here! I am soly a UV finisher now.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Haha. I’m so glad you like it and you’re a full convert now!

[@billymurphy3]

Always appreciating my dose of information with Suman

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

1 shot. Q6wk. PRN. 😂

[@adkwoodandresin]

Hey man excellent work! I actually did a mini review of the UV beast light in my first YT video. I used the 2 which isnt as strong but gets better coverage. Then I bought the V3 which you use here and found that, even though it's stronger it ended up taking longer because the cone of light it so small. So I use the V2 now since my builds are always on the larger side. Looking forward to more content from you!

[@Kraaketaer]

Great testing overall, though one point you're missing when comparing hard wax oils to UV cured coatings: the latter, as with polyurethane coatings, coats your work in a layer of plastic that will never really break down or go away, but rather disperse into the environment as microplastics. Of course the overall impact of this is minuscule compared to, say, acrylic paints doing the same, but it's still a significant negative aspect of those finishes.

[@IvanSatsiuk]

wtf man, you're like dr huberman for woodworking. all your vids are a treasure. thank you

[@mikemetheny1086]

Serbscribed. Keep up the great work!

[@coolabahwoodworking]

Great video man I am looking to switch and wanted to know if it would work with a cheaper light! Thanks for that

[@twomgwu17]

Excellent and honest disclaimer about your past relationship with Chimiver. Far too often content makers provide inadequate disclosures. I appreciate how you acknowledge the past relationship and while noting that you 'do your best' to provide an unbiased review, which leaves room for the possibility of bias. This is the first video of yours that ive watched where you have a sponsor. It made me nervous because of how much I value attempts at objective assessment. Might see silly by I appreciate the language you use in your financial disclosure statement. Confidence restored!

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Thank you! I really appreciate your comment. I generally have a rule to not include any sponsored products in objective testing parts of my videos. In fact, JDiction had reached out few months ago and I declined to work with them because I knew their product would be included in this video. Unfortunately I couldn't go back in time to retract the Chimiver relationship for this video. haha.

[@ScorpionBuildsWoodworking]

Well put, I have been thinking about investing in some UV cured finishing products. Vesting wax is the one that I have been looking at. And I feel like after this video that it is still the one that I will start with. Thanks for the great video.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

This video was made before I became familiar with hidelberg sold by ledcoatingsolutions. I’ve been using it for a few months and it is superior in depth and clarity compared to the vesting. Not to mention, significantly cheaper. Definitely recommend you give that one a try instead.

[@ScorpionBuildsWoodworking]

@@WoodcraftBySuman thanks, I’ll have to see if it’s available in my area. I’m very interested in the different ceramic coatings too, and how they will hold up to my 4 kids. I was thinking of making my own video on the different ceramic coatings. Although I’m sure you would do a much more thorough job than I. I’d be interested in a collaboration too, if you were up for something like that.

[@SleeperHoundDesign]

Great job, i think. Using the flash light for the underside and putting the piece in the Florida sun to cure the top might work for me.

[@bunni3140]

Have a look at UV MSLA resin printing tips for more info on resin curing quirks

[@OakHillMillworks]

Great presentation of information as always! Although… I could not stop looking at how your French cleat wall looks uneven with your workbench line. 😂

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Now I’m going to think about it all day 😂

[@OakHillMillworks]

@@WoodcraftBySuman lol. You know I love you!

[@FortressFineWoodworks]

I use expensive industrial coatings, but man.... that uv cure hardwax oil seems really nice to use.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

I totally get the appeal of catalyzed stuff in production settings. But I’m gonna def stick touch cure finishes for majority of projects.

[@SteveAugust7]

This was an excellent video! Thanks for the info Suman

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Thank you Steve! Appreciate you watching.

[@davidmeyer9204]

Thank you

[@liquidrockaquatics3900]

Last week when I looked for the tinted vesting finishes, they were not available(in stock) on their website

[@pfmcnamara]

Will it stick to common pore fillers (I use epoxy and CA mostly, but will use oil based fillers occasionally).

[@allan5721]

Curious about cure time on the UV finishes if you miss a spot with the UV light?

[@antfarmhero6894]

Aayyyy, I'm in western New York too

[@binglebongle8601]

Oh man, I was really hoping you were about to dive into DIY LED kits. The moment I saw that first Blacktail video I was thinking there has to be a cheaper way to make that light using DIY parts.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

I’m not as electrically savvy as I may seem 😂

[@kennethleitner1337]

Great video Suman. Asking a question as a serious hobby woodworker (which I admit means I don't know much about finishing beyond what I have learned from other hobbyists, books, magazines, and KZbin): Would you consider doing a glue resistance test? Parts of any project could be prefinished to prevent glue adherence when doing glue-up and assembly if the UV cured finish is 'glue resistant'. Thanks in advance.

[@ashutoshsrivastava303]

What is the shelf life of these led oil finishes? I really hate the rubio 2 part system.

[@crandallwoodworking2988]

At $200 a liter, it's pricey, but relatively no VOC and extremely quick cure times makes it a winner in almost any type of woodworking. Including my guitars.

[@aaronblackford981]

I appreciate your honesty about all metrics. Pick one. At least it’s all honest

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

I really try my best. I’m glad you see it. Thank you!

[@jb510]

Thanks, inspiring. Did I miss it or did you not talk at all about coverage? Huge impact on cost. Also… been following for a while and always thought you were Canadian… you’ve got that easy going friendliness.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Sorry I didn’t elaborate on coverage. It’s similar to hardwax oils. Which is why the price per L comparison was made. And lol, first time being considered a Canadian. I live close enough to go to occasional dinners in Canada if that counts 😂

[@jb510]

@@WoodcraftBySuman I think Drew/Jon/Scott or someone made reference to you being “up north” and somehow I just thought you were on the other side of the border… well that and the delightfully friendly tone of your videos it just seemed to reinforce that wrong assumption. Btw, I think maybe you don’t even realize it, but it’s obvious to the rest of us that you only really like the the UV finishes because of the _purple_ light….

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

@@jb510 did I make this entire video because UV lights are purple? Maybe…😂

[@theofarmmanager267]

We will have to wait and see if UV cured resins for woodworkers survive. One thing to mention is Natura Onecoat 2 pack hard wax oil. It beat Rubio in the tests carried out by the Wood Whisperer and is much cheaper than Rubio. On ceramic coatings. Does the ceramic coating flex at all; just as wood does?

[@Nedw]

You talk about the safety of VOCs, but UV light exposure is also dangerous, especially for the eyes' cornea

[@nwa2102]

Would you recommend using a carbon coat on top of the UV cured finish the same as you would a hard wax oil? Also does leaving a piece to cure in the sun embed dust, pollen, bugs, etc, or does it cure fast enough that it's not much of a concern?

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

For sure. The side table shown in the video was finished with chemiver uv finish and then I added carbon coat. Usually you have to wait few days until the finish is fully cured to add ceramic coating but with uv cure, you can apply it on the same day. Finish hardens to the touch almost immediately in the sun. Def not an issue with contaminants, however, it would help make sure the air is reasonably clean.

[@abydosianchulac2]

The point about the size of the most powerful light having such a small exposure area can't be stressed enough, I think. If you have deep pours like you demonstrated that need significant exposure to fully cure deep down in there, then that power must be crucial. But otherwise, if it's a project of any size you're finishing, you'll be spending similar times curing the finish with the light gun as with the cheaper lights or sunlight. The difference is that with the light gun, you'll be occupied with curing the finish the whole time, whereas with the cheaper lights or sunlight you can spend that time cleaning, or applying finish to another project, or checking your fantasy curling team, or anything else.

[@GeometryBuild]

Do you think any of these will work as a heat resistant finish? Let’s say, I put a hot pot on it? Good information, as usual! 😊

[@jbird73]

Is it, scratch proof, and uv proof, meaning sunlight won't affect the wood color?

[@AVBros37]

Great video. Now this may sound silly but how do these UV cure finishes hold up long term to sunlight exposure. Walnut can turn orangish and maple turn yellowish when exposed to sunlight long term with hard wax finishes. I would also love to see a longer torture test for water damage with to these UV finishes

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

As I understand it, once they crystallize from the initial UV exposure, they become inert to additional UV insult. The initial heavy loading of UV light def yellows it a tiny bit more than usual and then returns within a few hours into the samples as shown in the video. Not yet sure how it would yellow over time. I’ll keep the samples at hand and keep an eye on them.

[@matthysloedolff]

As an Australian, I feel I may have a slight unfair advantage over the rest of the world when it comes to the rate of curing UV resins outside. For once I am grateful for the thinned out ozone layer above Australia and the consequent insane UV index. Great video, Suman! Always excited when you post a video as I know it's going to be top notch quality. I was unaware of UV finishes and will definitely see if I can get my hands on some. Do you think the finishes yellow over time like clear resins do?

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

lol so I looked into some research studies on geographical spread of UV exposure in preparation for this video. Yall wild out there freeballing it in Australia 😂

[@matthysloedolff]

@@WoodcraftBySuman I know right! Only the insane or uneducated are at the beach late morning to early afternoon. We had a Danish exchange student in my PhD lab who found out about Aussie sun the hard way. He went to the beach without sunscreen or proper cover for a few hours. He ended up with second and third degree burns. I felt so bad for him too because none of us in the lab group had a chat with him about how intense our sunlight is. He had an ongoing list of things that tried to kill him while he was in Australia. He added the sun to that list after that day.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

@@matthysloedolff haha even the sun tries to kill you in Australia. That’s a hilariously funny addition to the list.

[@matthysloedolff]

@@WoodcraftBySuman yes. It's a miracle in itself that our population is steadily increasing.

[@jbird73]

Ever used Clean Armor?

[@2wheelzdown180]

Hey quick question. Would full spectrum uv grow lights work for this ? Assuming it would take a little longer but just slide your finished product under it and walk away for like 15 minutes

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Funny enough, I have some Mars Hydro grow lights for the garden and just checked them. Unfortunately they don’t seem to be outputting any measurable. UV light within the A spectrum.

[@Duwaru]

Would be interested in seeing how 3D Printer UV Resins would compare to these, would be a huge price difference heh.

[@TheOoze777]

Have you tried the Clean Armor finishes?

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

I haven’t. I just saw the video by stumpy that showed the product. Seems a little thick - almost epoxy like to me. The vesting and chimiver is intended to go down a lot thinner. Recently discovered a new brand Hidelberg sold here ( ledcoatingsolutions.com/product/HEIDELBERG-PROLiGNUM%C2%A0LED-oils). It’s much cheaper and the product is insanely good. Significantly better in clarity, depth, chitoyance than any hardwax oils or LED oils I have used.

[@sanyoshovah2887]

Kind of off topic, but what's the go to literature that any aspiring and overly motivated woodworker needs to read? Any must haves that need to be in any woodshop? Im trying to start growing my general knowledge about woodworking past what KZbin can teach me. Thanks in advance

[@yasso2am]

Suman - I'm curious how long you let the lacquer cure for before starting your hardness comparison tests? I use a lot of lacquer and am able to manage the VOCs, but the cure time is the thing that always gets me.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Lacquer cured one and half week before testing.

[@yasso2am]

@@WoodcraftBySuman That makes a lot of sense. I recently made a tabletop to cover my laundry machine for folding clothes out of some hard maple. I did three coats of lacquer and waited three days before installing it. We keep our powdered detergent in a ceramic jar, and just sliding it back and forth on the table scratched the surface, but only during the first week. After that first week, we don't have any new scratches. That tells me I didn't let it cure long enough, and it seems like it lines up with your week and a half of cure time. Much longer than these UV cured finishes! Thanks for your testing and providing an alternative option - great and practical video.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

@@yasso2am agreed! While lacquer is dry to the touch within 30-60 minutes, it gives a false sense of “this stuff will be cured within a day” when that has not been my experience. Which is why I allowed all the finishes to cure a proper amount of time before insulting them with coffee and such.

[@yasso2am]

​@@WoodcraftBySuman Appreciate your wisdom, experience, and attention to detail here! I recently tried Old Masters Masters Armor - without the Part B Hardener. I used it on a slim maple shelf that is holding, go figure, all my coffee gear. I let it sit for 24hrs after three coats (scuff sanded in between each and finished at 400 grit) and really enjoyed the application without having to wear a respirator (and so did my wife). That said, it definitely required more skill to apply without getting streaks, and I doubt it will be as durable as lacquer. As I gain experience, I'm starting to learn which projects are worth the hassle, and I think what you've presented here will probably be added to my tool belt. Thanks again!

[@ResinEssenceByCheri]

Haha I use JDiction UV resins for my resin crafts. Just a note….its not JD Diction it’s just JDiction. The creator Jay has a resin addition.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Haha that was a massive oversight on my part. How did I keep calling it JD Diction the whole time? I’ll never know 😂

[@bradnail99]

Great video, Suman! Were those cans in the video quart size? $200 for a quart seems awful steep.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Yes- essentially it’s 1qt but is actually 1L. It’s pricy but just as hardwax oils go, it has great coverage. Think of it with the same coverage as Rubio monocoat.

[@gandkaidos]

I don’t see a link to the UV Beast flashlight, only for the two square UV lights. Do you only recommend purchasing that $30 light and holding it for 30 seconds ~3 in away over the flashlight and its wonky pattern?

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Just updated the description to make sure the link is there. The funky pattern of the UVBeast is not ideal but as you move it around, it averages out pretty well. With that being said, they make a slightly less powerful one with a much better spread pattern: amzn.to/49QjIoJ

[@gandkaidos]

@@WoodcraftBySuman Thanks for the update! This video convinced me to go with vesting. Thank you!

[@jimaspinii7579]

Will these new finishes work on paint and/or stain?

[@OMG_350z]

following...

[@imbecillicusrex2117]

I'm aware of at least one brand of UV-curing resin available in the US that you didn't mention: Solarez, whose I Can't Believe It's Not Lacquer product sees use at least on finishing guitars.

[@harlanbarnhart4656]

I'm just here to complain about opening paint cans with a quality wood chisel. Oh, the humanity....

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

An expensive hand-forged japanese damascus chisel at that 😂

[@chrisjaustin88]

Interesting. But what if I live in Florida and work in a garage. I'm assuming I would have to be wary and block the sunlight during application otherwise I would risk curing during the application process?

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Yes, you definitely cannot apply the finish in direct inflight or probably even by a window with strong directional sunlight coming in. Just about any shades on windows is plenty to block UV rays because they cannot penetrate though.

[@aranha_discoteca]

A very good question - does normal window glass block the correct kind of UV light?

[@chrisjaustin88]

Based on Suman's reply I would say No. Definitely a point worth going over though.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

@@aranha_discotecathey do not block it completely. At least none of the windows in my house does. But UV is strongest with direct exposure to sun without interference. If they have to go though a thick medium, they’re usually not happy about it. Even the little window bug screen and the glass can cut a 2.2mw/cm2 down to 0.6mw/cm2. It’s enough to make sure sun light doesn’t directly touch the finish as you are applying it. Any diffused light that’s not coming straight from the sun though a window is not an issue.

[@aranha_discoteca]

Thanks!

[@DiersakZelesnik]

Do you have any figures of merit to explain the amount of area coverage each container provides so that you could compare the costs of these finishes as currency/cm^2. Really love how you organize these experiments and the honesty in the way you present your data.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Chimiver claims 10-20 grams per m2 Vesting claims 20-26 grams per m2 for 1st coat and 10 grams per m2 for second coat. There is a lot of technical data you can get into but from experience, coverage is comparable with traditional hardwax oils. First coat probably takes a little more than normal hardwax oil but second coat takes less than usual.

[@liquidrockaquatics3900]

Is carbon method a graphene solution?

[@adamshinbrot]

I have to take issue with your classifying film (I assume this includes lacquer) finishes as Hard with regard to Ease of Application and Cost of Entry. That just isn't my experience with spray lacquer.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

That's a fair assessment. There are ways to get into lacquer spraying on the cheap (ie harbor freight compressor and gun). While I could have made it more clear in the video, I still believe the average woodworker are intimidated by all of the HVLP options and skills to get started and they are much more likely to pick up a wipe on finish because it is an easier concept to grasp. Nonetheless, your point is valid.

[@m2lumber]

I’m surprised the laquer had a coffee stain? We have our coffee station on an oak buffet table and coffee stains can stay on it for days…but no stains when cleaned off. Or maybe it’s my weak-ass coffee 😂

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

It is 100% your diluted weak coffee 😂

[@bbb12228]

I would like to use these as a pore filler for guitars

[@jan-olofharnvall8760]

It’s curious why this hasn’t gone public, so to speak, until now as uv-curing applications have been used in dentistry for decades 🤓

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Price is still a huge barrier. But believe it will become as common as Rubio after folks have a chance to try them out and the lights are made cheaper. A little bird told me there might be some new American made lights in the market in coming year 😉

[@F0XD1E]

The Amazon wattages are almost definitely bogus. Their normal flashlights from no name companies are always hilariously absurd. As long as they work though, a little extra time is not a big deal considering the cost savings. Great video!

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

They actually do pull the claimed wattages. I didn't include it in the video because it was already getting long winded. But they are on the money at 150w and 300w power draw. But it makes for a great space heater 😂

[@F0XD1E]

@@WoodcraftBySuman OK cool. In that case then it's like you said that it's just due to the beam pattern and/or efficiency since your meter measures intensity instead of total output. People using this stuff should also wear the proper UV protective goggles. Otherwise it's like looking directly at the sun but potentially worse.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

@@F0XD1E ANOTHER great point that I also cut off the video. haha. Realistically Only the arm applying the finish with any type of gloves and eyewear is needed. The spread reflective capability of UVA and hitting significant energy onto the face and rest of the body is fairly weak and is no different than going out for a walk on a clear sky day.

[@F0XD1E]

@@WoodcraftBySuman Yeah the reflections are one thing but if you're fumbling around with one of these enough you just know you'll shine it in your face by accident eventually 😂 I know I did when I was doing a UV cure phone screen protector.

[@dingus-dingus]

What about the smell? From my own experience, UV 3D printed items smell horrible for days, even though they have been cured as per manufacturer's instructions. Any chance you could do a smell comparison between some generic clear 3d printer uv resin and these wood finish resins? 😅

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

lol unfortunately there isn’t a smell sensor I could use to standardize the test. But yes, some of the uv resin smells a bit. The chiniver has a stronger smell than vesting but none are as offending compared with any traditional finishes.

[@bryannortje7394]

You completely missed the USA produced Clean Armor Products. Low energy UV-A Cure, Zero VOC's, Zero Hap's. 100% Solids, non-permeable Polymer based. Available from Ka&B Services LLC

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

I also missed another product called hidelberg, which i have been liking the most lately. There will be many new uv curing finishes coming into the market. This video was just an intro to the concept of these finishes.

[@-_-John-_-]

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[@peter_kelly]

Oof, Vesting and Chimiver make Osmo's prices look pretty reasonable.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

This is true. Compared against some hardwax oil prices, it is significantly more expensive. Being transparent, I have used all of the major hardwax oils on the market, I'm not using any of them going forward. Instant curing is a game changer for how I go about finishing. But I completely appreciate that it is not for everyone or for every situations.

[@jeffhildreth9244]

Since I am a wood worker (35 years) and I don't know about this .. I must not be a wood worker. PS Backed up for a lifetime.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Haha we have to play a little bit of title and thumbnail game these days. No way to avoid it. But I hope the contents of the video was helpful or interesting.

[@jeffhildreth9244]

@@WoodcraftBySuman I have no knowledge of "title and thumbnail game" As to the content of the video, nothing new, original, or exceptional. This from watching a dozen similar videos after yours. Collect the facts, speak the truth. Best of luck with your enterprise.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

@@jeffhildreth9244 I’d like to think I did my homework when making this video. I was not able to find a single testing video on uv cure finishes for woodworking. But hey, if this is not your style of content, all good.

[@user-md1vm2np3r]

Lacquer is self wetting, and because of that, it is super easy to repair.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

This is true - lacquer will chemically fuse to prior layer. Spot repairing it, esp if it’s hvlp sprayed, is pretty tough. Faint lap lines can show show up from some viewing angles. But yes, it is possible by using a combination of techniques, esp with a final lacquer thinner only coat. But the process is not nearly as simple as hardwax oils or uv cure.

[@user-md1vm2np3r]

@@WoodcraftBySuman I see what you mean. I wouldn't try to spot fix it and instead do like when you are fixing paint issues and just coat the entire surface once over.

[@jeffsumner2111]

You know. You can just not buy a light and use the free one in the sky. No money spent.😂

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

Sometimes the sun is on its own schedule 😂

[@jeffsumner2111]

@WoodcraftBySuman absolutely. I spoke to soon as I posted this while watching. You started to cover this right when I hit the post button. 🤣

[@Kvistrent]

Always read the safety data sheet before working with it. LED oil is more toxic than one might think. Trust me, I know....