The World Champion's 200 IQ builds vs Dark! StarCraft 2

StarCraft 2 Tournament 2023 Korean SC2 League - Former champion Dark takes on World Champion Oliveira in an action packed Terran vs Zerg duel!
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[@hugaexpl0it]

If Winter doesn’t say “I will probably do it anyway” in one of his videos, I’m gonna lose my mind.

[@fireborn..]

I miss the "just" he used to put in when he'd say make your day a little better. 😅

[@artemisspawnofzeus7732]

​​@fireborn.. its unjust is what it is

[@wischmopps293]

Really didn't like him at the beginning and now he is my favorite even before harstem. Even his annoying USA hailing I can accept ❤

[@proactivex]

@@wischmopps293 damn! thats a professional hater lol.

[@nmgaro2156]

If Winter doesnt say "i will probably do it anyway"....is it really Winterm

[@FrelanceEQ]

respect for the 28:40 "just checking" EMP on the Lurkers

[@chloesmith4065]

Works vs cloak, but not vs burrow.

[@RobbenZ]

Dark just twirls his Eldritch Mustache. It's incorporeal, but springs out from it's hell-scape in times of Machiavellian need, like a demonic-Familiar.

[@e7venjedi]

23:17 That worked out well for the prescient casting :D

[@bahamut256]

That second game would make a ww1 general give you a stern lecture about attrition.

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

I am always rooting for Dark; even when he BMs; But, god, what I wouldn't give to have the alternate universe where Oliveira, just as he's winning, types "Zerg good" into chat

[@DeaThfighter44]

im always rooting for whoever isn't playing zerg cause fuck zerg (I've been a salty protoss main since WoL)

[@TheNerdForAllSeasons]

Oliveira aka The Avalanche, once the momentum starts he cannot be stopped.

[@wol_ves]

Love this nickname, definitely agree! He doesn't always have the chance to get going, but once he does it seems impossible to stop him.

[@GrippeeTV]

Dark leading the series with the fun BM killed me 😂

[@midweekcentaur1050]

It was so smooth brained I love it.

[@Nat-ri3ip]

And Winter going "I don't know what else I'm gonna be able to clickbait" while we know he'll have even better material down the line is aùazing.

[@squeezlemons]

Had me chuckling right at the start with "uncomfortable amount of pleasure". Thats why i keep liking the videos! Great commentary.

[@hexaquras9374]

I genuinely forgot that Olivera is a world champion, much like Cure being a GSL champion

[@chloesmith4065]

It was a crazy day, he beat heromarine, reynor, and hero, to advance to the finals where he 4-1'd maru - huge upset

[@user-ym9dz5uy2v]

maru trying the same strategy 4 times in a row was embarrassing lol not taking anything away from Olivera of course, he's an underdog hero! Even after winning X__X @@chloesmith4065

[@wojciechrogala6435]

46:20 poor SCV 😢

[@transitcombine9057]

I was a fan of message 🗿

[@TheZealo]

Olivera still has a lot of flaws, but damn his tank marine pushes are so beautiful to watch. Terran the way it was intended

[@cosmonauthal7651]

Truly is great to see a Terran with a lot of flaws anihilate the second best Zerg in the world! Truly makes me excited to see where the future is heading!

[@chaoton]

His tank positioning in the series he became a champion is still one of the most beautiful things I’ve seen on Winter’s channel.

[@RogerTheWall]

@@cosmonauthal7651 Sure, like the perfect dark, who quite always mess up his build order, and remains supply blocked XD

[@chloesmith4065]

​@@cosmonauthal7651not to take away from your seething sarcastic comments complaining about terran imbalance, but do you really think dark deserved to win game 2 and 3? I'd argue he got outplayed in game 1 and saved by imba lurker range upgrade. Game 3 especially, he chose a dumb build, messed it up anyway, got supply blocked and had to make 5 overlords, lost to a timing. Game 2 he was unprepared for the terran move out and all his stuff was late. Baneling speed late, Hive was late, vipers were late, ultras were late, everything late. Lose to a well executed attack he didn't scout, then lose because of eco disadvantage from getting outplayed.

[@cosmonauthal7651]

@@chloesmith4065 Orginal comment said Oliveria has a lot of flaws here. I was piggy backing off that lol write the essays to the original commenter not me lol.

[@mithrandir3047]

Holy Moly, that grindfest in the first game was insane

[@proactivex]

oliveria is an animal. something very uniquely good about how he plays. feels kinda like cure with better micro?

[@danielhearndon1908]

Oliveira is THE most enjoyable Terran to watch. Love his playstyle!

[@Kaboomnz]

His macro looked top notch

[@transitcombine9057]

@@Kaboomnz creo que lo que lo hace muy bueno es como reparte sus unidades y lo maravillosamente cómo ponen los tankes en mi opinión

[@Kaboomnz]

@@transitcombine9057 Yes his positioning was good also.

[@proactivex]

cure-ish with better micro.

[@rabbitcreative]

8:35 Marauder glitches onto a pillar.

[@chloesmith4065]

yes this map has a few spots this can happen, pretty buggy. community made map from the team liquid map contest - the mapmaker fixed it, but blizz won't update the map pool again :^)

[@cousinpatsey2471]

It's been so long since he was here Winter didn't even mention Zest when talking about 4 letter names Sadge.

[@chloesmith4065]

I still play Zest's 2gate blink in PvT, great player

[@clintmiller1122]

2 months old, and Ember and I are still watching you at night Winter.

[@MadArtillery]

I do love Oliveira's terrain. Dark I love when the crazy stuff goes down.

[@griefgaming2787]

@8:37 Marauder jumping on to the high ground pillar 😆

[@metislord4904]

I don't play SC2 but I absolutely adore watching/listening to you cast Winter. Keep it up! One Love.

[@Technoanima]

Hellbats are basically SCVs with shields for claws and a flame thrower for spotlight

[@flavywavin]

first game was one of the best ever. dark is lord of chaos

[@kyleg5141]

Love darks banter 🎉

[@moistdlux3863]

“We don’t count robots as people” lmao

[@DiscombobulatingName]

I love watching Oliveira really flexing his macro and tank pushes in games 2 and 3. The way he sets tanks up for both offence and defence is incredible, and I don't see the other terrans do it nearly as well.

[@candlecandle-lz4qz]

Shoutout Husky!! Made me fall in love with this game back in the day

[@dunmatta2670]

@4:48 Nice

[@joshrobinson506]

Not 4 letters but it was 4 syllables. It's the prophecy of the 4th race trying to manifest it's self.

[@GameFuMaster]

do like Oliveira's flexible style. Banshees in game 2 since he knows it's just roach ravager on the map, giving him free scout and damage. Game 3 building a good amount of hellions/bat with marines since they'll be more effective against lings and serve as a better soak, while the marines can be the generalist that they are. After watching a few TvZ, it seems like tanks are probably not that great against zerg, given their slow build, high cost, friend fire and low mobility. Shifting the costs around to get marauders + widow mines to cover a flank is a much better decision.

[@chloesmith4065]

tanks are actually amazing if they're in position and set up - their immobility is their only weakness. they're fantastic on defense or when slow-pushing; Marine/Medivac/Marauder certainly has more map control and mobility than tank compositions, and that's one of the strengths of that flexible army type - being able to attack in multiple positions at the same time easily or fly into areas where the other player doesn't have an army. However, tanks really are king of the ground, so vs roaches or banelings they're really helpful. Marine/Medivac/Tank comps do get used, especially before ghosts/liberators hit the field.

[@GameFuMaster]

@@chloesmith4065 there really aren't enough places where tanks can just shoot with impunity, even against lings. There aren't like massive forward cliffs where lings have to run to the back to then run up to reach them. And even when positioned behind stuff, ravagers can 3 shot them with spells anyway, greatly limiting the amount of damage they can dish out. Slow pushing requires enough tanks to leap frog properly, which you generally won't get the time to actually do, since you either have too few tanks covering the moving ones, or you have too many doing the covering, which makes it an incredibly slow push.

[@transitcombine9057]

@@GameFuMaster and then olive comes in with those tank positions and knowing when and not to move from one place to another

[@rickzor2700]

@@chloesmith4065 A well written story that anybody above gold knows? Sorry for the roast but it's true lol

[@chloesmith4065]

​@@rickzor2700it's not a roast, we're in agreement here. however, the guy I was replying to was saying tanks are bad in TvZ, in a comment on a video where tanks very significantly contributed to the wins in this best of 3, so it seemed like some clarification was in order. you and I might know it's extremely valuable unit if positioned correctly and protected, but some other people might just think "they get 3shot by ravagers, why build them at all?"

[@DSzaks]

Olivera clearly wasn't particularly fond of Darks jabs at the start and really stepped it up to shut him down.

[@xai__]

Why does winter call the speed / slow zones "dubulas and bubulas"?!? Is there a reason for this?

[@VeryBadPlayerTV]

Olivera threw game 1 so hard its unreal, all he had to do was lift his buildings so he just doesn't lose them. Just the ad ons. Then just don't lose your CC's for free..... literally if you have to. Just go home for a second land 1 command center, build 1 bunker fill it near the mineral line. and then move out and keep the pressure.

[@chloesmith4065]

yeah he could've had like 5 orbitals alive instead of 1

[@bozydarziemniak1853]

gg first game was awesome I usually fail at this phase of game

[@chloesmith4065]

it takes a lot of experience to have command over scrappy late-game situations

[@AZ3rgling]

Hyped! Thanks winter

[@theSleepyLamp]

Really cool how Oliveira baited the roaches by lowering his supply depots, in the first attack of the first game.

[@john15399]

15:23 are you looking for spout?

[@JanellePoniente]

Don't giggle!

[@florianbielawa2919]

prima strategy guides, i remember the fallout ones

[@erikmcfarlane]

Did that maurader briefly glitch on top of the pillar at 8:38-39

[@kainakrit9311]

probably forgot he wasn't a reaper

[@chloesmith4065]

It doesn't actually give vision on top of the pillar, it's just a visual bug; the mapmaker actually fixed this but I doubt blizzard will update the map pool with the fixed version of the map, as there's only like 1 guy working on sc2

[@amauriborrero3619]

@winterstarcraft Just a random thought, but what if to finally balance marines they did the following: Create sub-tiers of marines (e.g.) 1. Ground targeting marines 2. Air targeting marines 3. Ground and air targeting (but at a damage reduction cost, maybe like 10-20%). Or after several upgrades. This would remove the general OP “universal” answer for terrans, while adding an opportunity for mind-game from the opposing races as to whether they are massing ground, air, or both. All while punishing massing marines. I feel like it’s pretty safe to say, when in doubt, build marines.

[@chloesmith4065]

late-game upgrade unlocks the ability to aim above you lol give the same thing to the immortal and adept or since terrans have so many units that transform and stuff, give marines a transform between air and ground modes ;) most rifles do have different sights for shooting planes, so, it could make sense that they have to change something on the gun for a couple seconds to be able to aim at air units

[@spencerkoenig7267]

There was something similar in Dawn of War, where you can equip your basic infantry with either anti-infantry, anti-armor, anti-something, but you could only choose one. In starcraft I would assume it would act like a 'morph' in the same way zerglings morph into banelines

[@talscorner3696]

I believe "gout" is proper, yes

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Thank You om nom nom

[@zachwbr1354]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding as I haven't played SC2 in a while, but in game one, why not pull back as Olivera and defend an orbital, using a MULE to restart your economy until you can get more scans? Is it the threat of production from Dark?

[@brettwolf3524]

Love ya Winter

[@Erik_123]

GHETTO VIKING!! LOL I'm ded

[@FrostDeKay]

Wish we could get some TvT

[@TowerSavant]

Nice.

[@MoltenCorr]

Sometimes, I wonder if "Jimmy" is just Winter's pet name for Silver.

[@proactivex]

gotta be for jim reynor right?

[@MoltenCorr]

@proactivex I mean, hey, if that's how they wanna roleplay in their relationship, I guess it's none of my business.

[@slimguyneedsfood]

Yo winter you need a live stream when lowko gets done with his.

[@kungpochopedtuna]

Good game

[@Redzpro725]

4 letter names winter.... thinking a certain finnisher is malding rn

[@michaeldoucet-morokael]

Totes Magotes.

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

Here for the Jimmy Giggle

[@ryken7797]

nice

[@DanielSanchez-sm3dv]

❤

[@mercerwing1458]

Love the new patch, I don't play sc2 but I love watching it, mass banelings every game was really boring to watch, games are so much more fun to watch now

[@Oban2006]

Same

[@RussellSyx]

True

[@chloesmith4065]

It is cool to see other unit comps used more

[@cosmonauthal7651]

True watching Terran use Marines now as opposed to Marines before is SO MUCH more fun.

[@tobiasL1991]

@@cosmonauthal7651 My god you are pathetic, what's next gonna complain a zerg is using zerglings...

[@xXCottonXxx]

did you just call yourself a pervert pillar? @45:38

[@Kosss2001]

1069, nice

[@chloesmith4065]

+ a like for 42 game 1 felt like a big throw at the end, couldve lifted much sooner, built one raven over the course of 30 minutes, moved the liberators to the mineral line, preserver one tank, etc... lurkers feel super broken with 10 range and nearly instant burrow, but all the counters were there. also funny how you can EMP cloaked units to see them but not burrowed. Not saying EMP should do anything more than it already does but it's just kind of an odd interaction. I suppose thematic because a cloaking field requires power. dark really did outplay at the end, but I feel like oli started playing bad after the fungal and lurker blasting almost all his ghosts somewhere between 23:18-23:25 ... Lots of questionable unit control but this one just felt like a critical mistake. Could still win after that if he switched to "base trade mode" sooner I think... and not lose 3+ orbitals to just lings and maybe 3 hydras. just pull some/most of the army back and clear the threat, you can win with mules I think... Gg though for sure, what a game 1.

[@transitcombine9057]

Tuvo muchos errores debido a que no aprovecho las utilidades de las demás cosas. Aunque no niego que sus ataques y defensas son hermosas de ver 🚬🗿

[@monteprestwich8820]

1,1-69 I can see why Jimmy was giggling.

[@robertrobert88887]

first game oliviera super sloppy, no snipes on broodlords, no mule to rebuild economy at the end.

[@chloesmith4065]

yeah big throw, lots of sloppy play, I'd say poor play at times honestly

[@LARPing_Services_LLC]

LOL! G....

[@PashaSlavaUkraine]

time not underdog no more, ya need to stop sleeping on him

[@sungoh78]

Life

[@paulhamtorlia3039]

China's Best Terran vs Korea's Best Zerg

[@GC0B]

1169 nicee

[@Latz444]

Everyone knows Zergs are too OP and therefore its bloody arse imba

[@monicachan1401]

lol

[@user-ml3rm3gy6y]

is jimmy real? or is he trolling us?

[@Ulti_H]

its his cat

[@foberdud7576]

1169 likes 😂😂😂

[@jtheo1450]

Do pro gamers really have custom stats for their units?

[@user-zl1du8wy4t]

коментатор сидит на толчке??? выдавливает из себя))

[@sotiriosmoschos9016]

Oliveira damnnn wining over Dark??

[@TheNerdForAllSeasons]

... the world champion. Yes.

[@KingOfNebbishes]

Terran mass marine winning over Zerg? It's more likely than you think.

[@chloesmith4065]

Oliveira is better than people think. And terran is imba of course.

[@natecw4164]

If Jimmy keeps asking for ____ likes, I'll watch the next video. I'll probably do it anyway

[@dizastro5437]

I might make 1168 accounts to assist with the likes, anyways. Prolly wont, anyways, but I will click.

[@enelson39]

"Jimmy... if this comment gets 1169 likes on this video, then I'll like and subscribe. Of course, I will probably do it anyways."

[@Faqueit]

Thanks for making almost all of my days.. a little bit better ❤

[@Lloyd-Ferri-McFerrilson]

This time…. I liked before the video even started 🫡

[@jennifer_dreamzzz]

❤