The worlds fastest Traditional bows? (428 Fps)

Testshooting four Turkish glass fiber laminated bows. The arrows are 200 grains, and the bows are progressively drawn farther, with the fastest arrow hitting 428 feet per second, or 469 km/h.

[@alancase1745]

I really enjoyed this one Ivar. I especially liked how you showed all the little issues that often occur instead of editing them out. It was really great. I am especially impressed with how durable and efficient your bows are. They seemed to happily deliver these high speeds very smoothly. Great job!

[@kviljo]

Happy to hear that, Alan! Less editing is also great for not wasting a lot of time 😅 Standing on the shoulders of giants while making the bows certainly made the task easier 💪😄 I think next I need to make one that pushes the limits of the glass a little 😄🫣

[@IronGoober]

@alancase1745 Hi Alan! It's fun running into comments from people you know in the 'wild'. @kviljo Ivar, If you want a more portable chronograph, the "FX Archery Chronograph" works pretty well and is relatively inexpensive (~200 USD or ~180 euro) . I brought my unit to the competition in Utah last year and it worked pretty well for most people's arrows. But having a bit of metal on the arrows made it work better since it has to reflect radio waves. Anyway, I love mine and I just want more folks to know about it. My apologies if you already know or have one.

[@wingit4316]

Very nice. Even though tests at low GPP aren't directly comparable to the typical 10gpp standard, people ought to understand that these are very efficient bows. Being able to shoot so fast (and durably) with such light arrows is evidence of a high dry-fire speed and great design! I'd love to see the unbraced profile.

[@suunraze]

421 fps ~ 128m/s 200gn ~ 13g 0.5 * 0.013 * 128 * 128 ~ 106J. It's amazing the bow is able to put that much KE into such a low mass arrow. I'd be interested to see how much more efficient the bow would be with a heavier arrow, say 60g

[@NPC-fl3gq]

400 grains would be a good start.

[@luigiridolfi2800]

60grammi 80metri al secondo

[@suunraze]

@@luigiridolfi2800 my guess is 63m/s with 60g. That's 119J

[@gazwit1603]

Sorry my maths was wrong listened again 200 grains 421fps I herd 80 lbs draw then realised 110lb 72%efficiency maths works but would not last long say 300 shots in my mind energy has to go somewhere that is the limbs had a horn bow at 50lbs 30 inch draw pushed it to the max 32inch draw 300grain arrow it soon broke

[@Arwndr]

​@@gazwit1603 Broke depends from the construction and sizes of bow.

[@ozdemirmelih]

Great video, as always! Many thanks , Ivar 👏🏼🏹

[@thefatefulforce8887]

Great vid. Sometimes the chrono gives us wrong readings but that’s y it’s important to do multiple tests to get averages and discard the error readings.

[@Ariel-x1x]

The speed variability is also relevant data.

[@thefatefulforce8887]

@@Ariel-x1x Absolutely but I have seen my Chrono give me 50 fps reading when the bow averages 160fps (same weight arrows) I have also seen a Chrono give a 400+fps reading on the same bow with the same arrows. The bow did not magically shoot the arrow that much faster or slower on those releases :) These are errors that are common with these types of Chronos.

[@supriajarchery]

Great video.. Great bows. Great maker.. ❤❤❤❤

[@JoelWiggins-p9x]

I gotta give you props man I’ve always considered myself strong but there’s no way I could draw 80 lb bow my body’s suffered significant trauma but still nice bows I’m gonna build one 50 lbs😂 so I can shoot it more than once lol take care and thanks for sharing

[@mikewolfe6496]

I am most impressed by the durability. That is too light an arrow to compare against recurve or longbows. Personally, I’ve never seen a trad bow shoot such a light arrow. Way too light for hunting, not enough penetration. Most recurve and longbows wouldn’t hold up. These bows are tough! That being said, would love to see a 500+ arrow launched off these bows and would like to see an accuracy test from a good shooter. Regardless, the durability of these bows is impressive!

[@delcat8168]

Great video, nice presentation 🙂

[@notapplicable531]

You can't say any of these bows are the fastest traditional bows as you aren't testing any other traditional bows. I'm specifically thinking of Korean bows.

[@malakiblunt]

he didnt say they were - theres a question mark in the title . Although its debatable if you can call any bow made from GRP traditional

[@zoranpavlovic9540]

Fastest recorded by now, wether approved in article or in video. This isn't sensationalistic at all, rather scientific way presented. There's always opportunity to publish official approval and "beat" that one.

[@kviljo]

Korean bows are generally not as fast as Turkish bows with low arrow weight. They may outcompete the Turkish design with higher arrow weights, but then the speed isn't as great any more 😄

[@FamMitrevski]

what makes it go off is mainly two thing, 1 is that your arrows are too short and 2 they are too light, 3´rd thing that would be good is to have two nots on each side of the knock inorder to hold it where its suposed to be, but very nice experiment you made there, i enjoyed your video

[@NickolausHillman]

I think the reason why its not getting good speed for higher draw is that the tail end is getting kicked out creating some mass drag, so the chrono is reading a sideways flying arrow, if you can get the same weight of arrow with a stiffer spine, I believe you will get some incredible speeds. You should also put some field points in, that hollow point is creating drag.

[@kviljo]

I think probably air drag is not a big factor at this close distance, but the energy transfer to the arrow may well go up if the arrow is stiffer. I have another set of test arrows that I will try next time when I will also test the difference the string makes. It's difficult to see what is happening dynamically, so there may well be some pitfalls here 😄

[@NickolausHillman]

@@kviljo Its still a perfectly done test, love that you did this test, makes me want to switch to the Trad direction sooner than later.

[@suunraze]

He is required to use natural material arrows for flight shooting contests, so maybe it makes sense to use those same arrows for speed tests.

[@bubstacrini8851]

​@@suunrazenatural materials for arrows but fiberglass is permitted in the bow? It seems incongruent... traditional bows were built without synthetics, this would be a traditional form, made with modern materials category.

[@davidburgess741]

At least you stood back a bit in case it exploded! Arrow flight looked terrible as expected.

[@letssee8397]

Wow! I'm really impressed they can handle such light arrows! Especially the 110, and how happily they seem to do it! I can't wait for these to be available! Are there plans for larger sizes/longer draws?

[@kviljo]

Since my company is a one-man-show, things do progress rather slowly, but eventually these will appear on my webshop. I'm not sure if I could put this much effort into making longer bows, unless they sell at a price level which I can live from. We'll see :)

[@watchdogkennels5242]

Where can I get my hands on one of those Bows??

[@kviljo]

Some time this fall I will post a couple for sale on my webshop: Www.kviljobuemakeri.org

[@watchdogkennels5242]

@@kviljo WHAT??! Are they Homemade, or something?? If that’s the case, I’m all set. Thought those might be real products.

[@Truth.Love.Liberty]

@@kviljoid be very interested in buying one depending on warranty

[@Dr._Spamy]

If everythings off, you may also check your scale and chrony. ;)

[@zoranpavlovic9540]

Great video done scientistic way and for science purposes among all 💎

[@ЛукиСтрелы-ш2и]

I thought only horn bows is that fast,, crazy fast bows.

[@MrInsaint]

Brilliant just a brilliant test Ivar💯👍💯 Btw, hva sier tyrkere om dine norsk produserte tyrkiske buer?

[@kviljo]

Thanks!! 😄 De syntes det er supert at noen lager ordentlige buer. Klubben som arrangerer konkurransen vi pleier å delta i har kjøpt flere hornbuer fra Kviljo 😄

[@almubarizunarchery4607]

2:45 Am i right in hearing you say that its 603 pounds?!?! or did you mean it did 603 meters?

[@kviljo]

You heard right 😆 It was supposed to be 103 pounds 😅

[@clarktre308w]

Hi, just a thought if you supporting the limbs with the with of your boots, wouldn't you be totally changing the draw load on each limb? Cheers

[@kviljo]

That's true! I tried to shift the weight towards my big toes because of this. I will use just one foot next time 😄

[@17yearoldwarbowarcher]

This is amazing

[@bettotbow7267]

Great bow

[@dragoscoco2173]

Well you changed the strings, maybe that is why you get such different numbers for bow weights.

[@sweetchariotengland]

Am I right in thinking you built these yourself to beat speed records?? Awesome I just began promoting my Yew hunting bow design, I'd be honoured if you would come check them out. Not shot through a chronograph yet though, I am curious

[@kviljo]

At the flight archery events, there are classes for modern material asiatic bows, and so I thought it would be fun to participate in those classes as well. Besides, trying something new is necessary to make the days interesting. 😄 Good luck with your yew bows! Chronographing them is a good test to see if the design is where it should be. But don't expect these kind of speeds unless you use really low arrow weights 😅

[@sweetchariotengland]

@@kviljo I've designed them to shoot carbon and aluminium for just that reason. I'm aiming for precision with these, so I've brought the power down on them. I think your design is the optimal for speed. Yew can take a bunch of shapes, I may have to try a speed challenge. Excellent stuff my man. This is me looking around to see how it's done properly

[@aimpoint0247]

Bra video. Et spørsmål litt på siden. Hvor raske er de utrolig vakre toved buene du lager, sånn ca estimat.

[@kviljo]

Hastigheten på buene henger ofte sammen med størrelsen, eller lengden. De Tyrkiske buene skiller seg ut ganske mye i forhold til høy effektivitet med lav pilvekt. Lengre buer er generelt ganske like i hastighet ellers, alt etter hvor stressede de er. Dette kan man justere litt på hver bue, hvor man kan veksle inn hastighet i større stabilitet eller sikkerhet mot knekk. Mao, det er ofte større forskjell i pilhastighet fra bue til bue enn det er mellom typene.

[@ammonholloway2302]

How come your bow didn’t break from shooting such light weight arrows

[@kviljo]

It's because it is 80+% efficient at even this low arrow weight. This is also the reason it is so fast - because most of the energy goes into the arrow 😄

[@Truth.Love.Liberty]

If you warranty these for any grain arrow and can make any draw weight desirable ill buy one id like something around 130-150

[@kviljo]

I will likely post the first ones of these bows for sale on my webshop some time during the end of fall this year, at www.kviljobuemakeri.org However, I won't be taking special orders.

[@kemangeremin]

harika tebrik ederim GARDAŞŞŞ

[@firestorm8471]

Wow, I thought those who shot powder burners got butt hurt easily ! It seems Archers do to! I thought this was a well put together video and informative. But you and Mr Jorge Spràve should have made that device Semil Automatic ! 😂

[@kviljo]

😆😅 Something to think about 😄

[@bienyamientoefy1923]

🙂💗💗💗very very impressive

[@RS_]

Not too sure I get this type of testing.. Its almost like sayin' " Ive got the fastest 0-100 time in my car" , but you did it while going downhill ... I mean , I can see, these are fast bows, but what kind of speeds would other bows achieve if shot with 1.66 - 2.5gpp arrows? Or what speeds would you get if you used 6-8gpp? I have seen 95lbs bow do 280fps with 480gn arrows, how about trying your bows with 480gn arrows? :) Would be interesting

[@kviljo]

Less talk and more doing, mister! 😄 Let's see that bow in action 👌

[@gizmonomono]

You realise this is one of the disciplines in archery? In turkey they compete how far and how fast an arrow can go. Hence, very light arrows. Not for hunting or killing. For competition.

[@SharpObserver1A]

Where did you get those bows? please give us a link!

[@kviljo]

I made them 👌 When I find the time for it, I will make a couple and put them on my webshop. Most likely it won't happen until November. There's not enough time for all the bows I need to make 🫣

[@PatriceHELEUX]

Qu'elle est ce fabricant et type d'arc; Merci

[@kviljo]

Kviljo buemakeri 😊👍

[@breakfastbuddy5]

the weight of the arrow ? 200 grain is very light , use 350 grain at least , and the arrows are so light that they dont fly straight,

[@almubarizunarchery4607]

I think you totally missed the whole point of flight shooting. Pro tip, whenever faced with something you don’t understand, its better to ask questions instead of make statements.

[@breakfastbuddy5]

@@almubarizunarchery4607 i see that you cant even rebute my answer , it tells something about you . these bows are hyped up . compund bows are much more effective than these bows

[@almubarizunarchery4607]

@@breakfastbuddy5 You’re right, I cant “rebute” your answer because I don’t know what that is, however what I did do is REFUTE it. I stated clearly in my answer that this is a flight shooting bow. Meaning the whole purpose is to get an arrow as far as possible by ANY means necessary. I don’t get what the little statement about compound bows has to do with anything at all but I understand you might be emotional so I’ll let you vent.

[@robertgarrison7836]

What arrows material carbon?

[@kviljo]

That's right!

[@berkantozdemir2448]

Great bow🏹🏹🏹

[@simonphoenix3789]

how can it be shooting that fast? most traditional bows shoot under 200 feet per second don't they?

[@kviljo]

It's because my tests are with 200 grain arrows, while most other tests are done (or just imagined 😅) with 10 grains per pound, which for a 119 pound bow would be 1119 grains. At this arrow weight my bows will do just under 200 feet per second 😄

[@kviljo]

@@Zyliug when I find the time, I will check this :) It should get pretty close to 200, probably

[@gizmonomono]

That machine has built in khatra 😂 Is it safe for the bows to shoot such light arrows? In the long term I mean

[@kviljo]

I'd say so. They are about 80% efficient - or perhaps more - at this low arrow weight, so they should handle it well over time. But we'll see. So far no problems 👌

[@gizmonomono]

@@kviljo Am I correct in assuming you make these bows? If so, That's impressive, man! 😁

[@kviljo]

@@gizmonomono That's right 🤓

[@thiloliedtke1971]

Ja Na mit nur 2,5"/ # ist jeder Bogen so schnell interessant wären Pfeile mit 640 grain, also 8"/# dann könnte man Standardvergleich

[@kviljo]

My interest lies in tuning the bows to give the highest maximum speed, for flight archery. At 8 grains per pound the arrow would not go as far.

[@ThatIndianArcher]

603# bow at 27?

[@kviljo]

I misspeak all the time 😆 It was supposed to be 105 - but turned out to be 101 😃

[@ThatIndianArcher]

@@kviljo thank you

[@DavidKissinger-cm3lh]

300 grain arrows ? well why wouldn't the bow seem fast. try 550 to 650 gr. " hunting" arrows. that would be more realistic. but even if the bow throws heavy arrows overs 200 grains, try drawing back such a heavy bow on a cold winter morning before you have any chance to warm up. but perhaps these bows are only intended for "speed tests" and are not intended for any practical use. i use a 40 lb horn bow (40 lb. @ 24 1/2 inch draw with arrows from 550 to 620 grains . these are designed as "hunting arrows". at about 20 yards the trajectory is dead flat. and shooting 40 lb bows does no damage to my joints. i used to be able to draw 90 lbs to 28 inchs but after shooting that bow i could "feel" the damage to my joints. and by getting to within 20 or less yards of my target animal (deer) there is no need for such a heavy weight bow. maybe there are no hunters in this group. trust me, you would not want such a heavy bow if you were a bow hunter, and if you know what your doing you would not need one.

[@kviljo]

There's no need to feel threatened, David 😄 This is just for sport. Who hasn't wanted to see how far their bow can shoot? 😊

[@DavidKissinger-cm3lh]

@@kviljo hi Ivan, i sure don't feel threatened (not sure what you mean by that) but i've been involved in archery/bow hunting far to many years (started making bows as a child, i'm pushing 72 still make bows) to be bamboozled by speed . speed is of no value if accuracy is hard to or impossible to achieve. only in flight shooting are heavy weight bows practical. as a hunter being able to place an arrow in the exact location is of greatest importance. and when i see this preoccupation with speed i fear many uninformed people will go the route of the compound bow shooters whose focus is speed, and they like their lite arrows for more speed. the problem is the combination of 1.heavy bow 2. lite arrow will usually be too much of a temptation to take unreasonably long shots at large game just because they can pull it off. more often than not this will almost always result in a "wounded" animal rather than a dead one. the bow is a short range weapon. if all you do is plink paper or shoot for distance (which is lots of fun) then it does not matter much. shoot whatever you like. but for hunters there should be a constant reminder that they are not shooting a rifle, so use gear that you can handle gracefully and learn the art of "closing in" or, forget a bow and just get yourself a rifle. one more thing that i feel is important is the damage a person will do, not may do, to their joints. a long time ago the bow was military weapon and heavy bows that shot far were practical. messing up your joints was of little concern when saving your life was on the table. but that time is long gone and i personally think it's stupid to harm yourself with a tool that is meant to be for recreation. what's the value in that. i guess my male ego has no need to show off how strong i am, as an old man i am no longer very strong. but a life time of making and shooting heavy bows has taken it's toll so now i have a different view. keep shooting the heavy weights, eventually you'll join me. here's some advice, find yourself some good arthritis medicine. adios

[@bubstacrini8851]

U make some good points about hunting with a bow, but this video is clearly not about hunting bows. It would be a bit like me going to a demolition car derby video and telling people if they drive on the road like that, it won't end well...

[@kviljo]

@@bubstacrini8851 😆👌

[@DavidKissinger-cm3lh]

@@bubstacrini8851 i see your point...well said. have a great day and may your arrows always fly straight. adios

[@lifeline025]

What is the point? Good bow can withstand dry fire that is not new and too light straw-arrow can not hold enough energy to be used in hinting, to be resistant to wind etc... So many stupid comment here. They seem they do it hapilly??!? What the fuck is that mean?

[@kviljo]

Take a day off, and be kind to yourself 🙂👍

[@ozdemirmelih]

Turkish flight shooting! Have you got any idea of that bows, arrows or distances?

[@dominicking1530]

Any bow happy with being dry fired is obviously an in efficient design. You are very misguided.

[@bubstacrini8851]

Rude, near unintelligible comment ll. May I suggest that vodka is not your friend 😂

[@FruitJuice92]

Well you basically dry fired those bows a bunch of time

[@kviljo]

With most other bows this would be the case, but these are about 80% efficient at this arrow weight, so they are far from being dry fired. That's why they are so fast, basically.

[@FruitJuice92]

That's pretty good tho, where I can find one of these beauty?

[@kviljo]

@@FruitJuice92 I made them, so eventually they will be available on my webshop, at www.kviljobuemakeri.org

[@kviljo]

@@andrewpickering8160 Why?

[@RI-fp7bw]

İf only you should try real arrow and give with table weight of arrow and pull weight of bow

[@jasontsang2232]

Dont believe 400+ fps on a trad bow.

[@gazwit1603]

I'm with you on 421fps bullshit

[@kviljo]

Why is that, guys? 😄 Keep in mind that with heavy "normal" arrow weights, these bows give pretty normal speeds. What's special about these is their high efficiency, allowing to use much less arrow weight than other bows.

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

I mean, you just watched it do exactly that. Most people aren't using arrows this light for velocity tests on a recurve, which is why it seems so unbelievable.

[@jasontsang2232]

@@kviljo Use multiple chronographs. I think yours is broken reading 120 fps too high

[@kviljo]

@@jasontsang2232 No-no, these speeds are what these bows should shoot theoretically too :) Previously I also used a Chrony F1, giving similar speeds from my horn/sinew composite bows 😊👍

[@BhewaMd484]

Not really arrow wieght is so low

[@kviljo]

What do you mean? Would the speed be higher with more arrow weight? 🤪

[@Truth.Love.Liberty]

@@kviljo❤ 🤣 aren’t people intelligent? 🤣