The Worst Build in The Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall

[@stonythechimist4250]

Jwlar: “Would you rather have a pet Argonian, or a pet Khajiit?” Me: That’s a Dunmer question.

[@arbaazshaw8123]

If this character wasn't supposed to go into dungeons and fight monsters they'd make a killing as a diplomat honestly

[@Jwlar]

For sure, it’s a shame they’re aren’t more quests that focus on non-combat situations

[@bodhidaruma2824]

ironically i think your character is sort of sent as a diplomat/spy by the emperor

[@danielsurvivor1372]

I heard Daggerfalls modders are doing more quest mods to flesh out the game, maybe they can add more quests that require talking?

[@JB-xl2jc]

Polyglot diplomat at home in both common and courtly settings who also knows how to treat simple wounds.... "USELESS" - Daggerfall

[@Vooman]

"I shall send you, my most trusted Argonian interpreter, to this region of great danger to stop Lysandus haunting Daggerfall and to get ahold of this confidential letter." "Uriel, shouldn't you be sending an actual professional, or a Blade, or--" "The ship leaves in two hours, don't dilly-dally."

[@kevnar]

There is a worse build than this. Build a character with every skill in a school of magic, but bar yourself from using magic. Basically less than useless.

[@Jwlar]

😂😂

[@UncleSporky]

More tips: Take useless advantages to balance out the skill dagger so you don't have to take the HP increase. Take 3X Magery advantage because again, you can't even use magic. Take Acute Hearing because it is stupid. Athleticism isn't that great either.

[@WoobertAIO]

Eternally level 1

[@mrosskne]

There are only 6 schools of magic and you have 12 class skills. However, only 6 of your class skills (3 primary, 2 major, and 1 minor) count towards leveling - although which one is counted changes depending on the highest for your major and minor skills. If you wanted to completely avoid ever gaining a level (and assuming that you actually play the game instead of sitting motionless in privateer's hold forever), for your other 6 skills, you'd want to pick skills that you could guarantee never accidentally improving. You can take weapon skills as long as you leave at least one (whichever one you're going to use) as a Misc skill. So right away we've filled 11 of our 12 slots, and only need one more. This can easily be filled with lockpicking, since you can bash doors open, and as long as you never engage thieving mode, there's zero chance of accidentally picking a door.

[@CreeperGreenMC]

The moment when you see yourself in the stream chat beeing like : "I made a lasting mark in the society, i am mortal, but the message I sent is not", sadly I only saw a small part of the stream

[@Jwlar]

Thanks for visiting :)

[@dylanpiazza6358]

Should probably be more ashamed that you made this weird, self-fellatio of a post lol

[@queuedjar4578]

Getting sidetracked into putting on a fashion show for your 2D sprites is among the best segways in a Daggerfall playthrough

[@Jwlar]

It’s inevitable every playthrough haha

[@queuedjar4578]

39:22 In case you haven't learned this, Daggefall diseases actually have an incubation period, meaning your body can be holding a disease but not displaying symptoms, or you didn't pass the medical skill check to identify what you're sick with. So you can have an illness and not know it for a certain period of time before being able to identify it with Medical skill.

[@Jwlar]

Haha, this stream was so annoying in that I know all this stuff, but becuase my brain is full of Arena knowledge, I've completely forgotten so much. Thanks for pointing that out, can't believe I forgot it XD

[@Flow86767]

@@Jwlar Arena video 🥺

[@Jwlar]

@@Flow86767 It's in the editing process. It was meant to be released the end of this month, but I have woefully underestimated how long it will take to edit a 6 hour+ video. Coming soon-ish

[@Flow86767]

@@Jwlar yyyyaaaayyyy 😃

[@AdrianWoodUK]

6:20 - If you're taking your specific quest into account, forbidding the use of silver would've been really harsh!

[@Jwlar]

Oh damn! That would be evil haha

[@Titan360]

11:55 "'Seduce the rat.' I don't think that 'Rat' is a language." *suddenly killed by bat* *in the background, RAT JUST DIED* It worked! The rat fought the bear for you to buy you time!

[@jaccobbailey8247]

I really love the fact that, even though this build was complete and utter trash, it was still playable enough that you could grind training and stealing enough and make it at least playable. Lol that’s a sign of a genuinely good rpg, I’d say: you can practically lock yourself out of the game, but still find some workarounds and engage with other systems you may not have originally

[@matheusjahnke8643]

Cue people doing "Skyrim but I can only use items I fished" challenge

[@Pazy160]

This was a really fun video. Id love to see more of these kind of semi-edited themed playthroughs, especially exploring the implications of specific builds or digging deep into the roleplay/life sim aspects.

[@NoeLPZC]

AdventureArt is LPing a very similar build: a language-focused "mad genius". It's actually surprisingly strong! Once his etiquette and streetwise skills got high enough he could just camp out and amass an army - pacifying every mob that spawned. Doesn't need combat skills - he just talks others into fighting for him! Very entertaining.

[@miles6777]

I got back into daggerfall unity this month, so I did a general search to see if anyone’s made any recent Daggerfall + unity content. Loving this channel, including all your prior longform vids. I love older games so much more than newer releases (usually better + cheaper), so I’ll be here to vibe

[@AmyraCarter]

"The Argonian breasts are just egg sacs." lmfao

[@jelqkev]

Please keep making more daggerfall content, its a great game and your like the only youtuber who makes vids on it. Keep up the good work!

[@Jwlar]

Thank you!

[@queuedjar4578]

There's also Grimith who has been making Daggerfall videos for about a decade. He even once teamed up with LethalFeline for one of the best playthroughs of Daggerfall on KZbin with the LethalFlailfist character. AllinAll's animations have some deep daggerfall lore implications. QSHV has documented some pretty obscure bugs in DOS Daggerfall. Adventure Art has legendary character driven playthroughs such as Mad Genius. I'm missing a lot more but I'll add more as I think of them.

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

@@Jwlar Gonna be the Decino of Daggerfall if you keep going like this!

[@CursedMoistMan690]

It's kinda odd that monsters don't stay dead after leaving and re entering the dungeons, meaning you could literally grind as many gold as you want, or try to get the best weapons

[@SquidMissle]

"16% pickpocket! *THATS NOT BAD*"

[@MsDreemurr]

Loved interacting with you and everyone in the stream chat, I’m super excited for the next stream

[@matchaia]

I'd love to see a continuation of this, this is my first introduction to your content and its pretty chill stuff.

[@pmcKANE]

This is the best implementation of Load Game Simulator I've seen in ages!

[@gabeslist]

The emperor looked over at a random maid and decided to entrust them with the most important quest on the entire continent.

[@NotTheAntichrist]

Figures the Lusty Argonian Maid regenerates when wet

[@TheLifesach33z]

That little better call saul reference while you're out in the sun looking for shops was gold. I can imagine your argonian running around with just a tinfoil cloak going ''HSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS''

[@lamedrawings]

I am now convinced Jwlar is a Scaley and you can't convince me otherwise....and now I am questioning myself as well

[@PattPlays]

21:10 "I have to make enough $ for rent over many days making little to nothing and getting pickpocketted." Flash and rpgmaker devs in the 2000's: "that's gameplay"

[@AdventureArtGaming]

Actually laughed out loud during character creation! I thought my Mad Genius would be the worst build on youtube but you win! I did realize however that it is worse to be able to use a LITTLE bit of magic than to remove it all together. Removing it completely gives you a lot of room for HP and advantages.

[@MrAskmannen]

Bruh i came here to talk about Tristane, but you beat me to it 🤣

[@AlexDenton0451]

Let's GOOOOOO I remember my first build being basically useless LOL, I couldn't get out of the inital dungeon

[@DIEGhostfish]

Classic.

[@zebedeetotty]

roleplaying as a lizard linguist lawyer

[@manuelredgrave8348]

The Hist created argonian after seeing humans, so in the same way that Argonians are bipedal (even tho every other creature in the swamps isn't), it wouldn't surprise me if the Hist Trees gave them da honkers to 'blend in' (or at least integrate) with humans better/because humans have them so they will have them too

[@scenab8478]

You guys are building an amazing community

[@FTZPLTC]

Is this how we ended up with the Bard's College?

[@SimoExMachina2]

At least in the "classic" Daggerfall, you could wait inside a shop until it closes and then freely loot every single item in there, without that even counting as stealing. You could then sell all those items back to the shopkeeper to make a ton of money. Especially books were valuable commodity.

[@Ryu1ify]

I'm pretty sure you can still do that. You just have to bash the door in without drawing attention to yourself instead of just hiding in the backroom like a child who doesn't want to leave the Toys R Us

[@AeridisArt]

@@Ryu1ify That's pretty much what I do every time I create a new Daggerfall character. I bash the door in or use an open lock spell, rob the stores of all their horses, carriages, and books, then sell to the store that buys for the highest price. Selling one by one increases mercantile faster, too.

[@hopefulhyena3400]

I unironically played a language-build once, except I feel like my guy was a bit better off than this.

[@jackmaney4276]

It's been a while since I've sunk a lot of time into Daggerfall, but aren't there at least a couple of dungeons that have significant underwater portions?

[@Ryu1ify]

The Mages Guild has sent me to find so many piles of dust that were inexplicably in a flooded room and not dissolved into the water

[@Ol_Durty_Badger]

I always liked that in the later games I didn’t need to worry about diseases as an argonian. Getting sneak attacked by a goddamn skeever and catching Skeever Fever or whatever they call it was irritating as hell. My Nord character was in constant peril of some sort of weird disease all the time it was bizarrre. Every 10 minutes it was like “You’ve contracted Brown Balls, you’ve contracted Skooma Sack, You’ve contracted Black Marsh Swamp Ass, You’ve Contracted Hillary Clinton shocked face” it was a nightmare

[@CERTAIND00M]

That lighting mod makes the game look like a found footage film. I dig it.

[@BananaGatorProds]

50:00 I have like 100 hours in daggerfall at this point and I never knew you could change your cloak like that

[@Mythraen]

Fun fact, when I played the demo as a kid, I'd almost always take damage from sunlight and holy places. I still went into churches... I just didn't stay there for long.

[@Ryu1ify]

Penitent vampire trying to partake in Communion

[@DakumunDahBat]

Funnily enough, some parts of dungeons can be flooded, so argonians actually have a pretty neat use case, as sometimes quest targets are found in the flooded portions.

[@admiral8520]

I am glad I have stayed in this stream to witness the grand adventures of Lusty Argonian Maid hyphen Bobina!

[@Jwlar]

Now we can fanfic ship Bob and Bobina XD

[@SimoExMachina2]

You also need a phobia to undead, without h2h skills and then try to box the skeleton in Privateer's Hold to Walls of Jericho, Figure Eight Leg Lock and the Crippler Crossface submission.

[@Sonicracer100]

You could take a loan, go to a temple and rake in that sweet training, level up, maybe even train your fighting skills with a temple and proceed to do some dungeon crawling

[@Jwlar]

Yep! I may revisit this challenge in the future sometime, using all the knowledge I re-learnt over the stream. (or I could just re-read my analysis script to remember haha)

[@Sonicracer100]

@@Jwlar now imagine if you took damage in holy places. That would be a bigger deal! But at least there's no downside in becoming a vampire.... except losing db membership. You could also just rub shoulders with the dark brotherhood in that instant since they can bolster some skills with training before you can graduate to the mages guild for more training in languages, then pivot to a temple for some training to rise up in the mages guild or temple so you can buy magic items. The damage in holy places and sunlight don't seem horrible to where you can't do errands. There's quite a few ways but it seems that in the end just kind want magic gear, and since there's a cap in how many advantages you can take there's always an out for damage or progression in some way.... and your level is effectively capped since language skils are awful. The downside is that you'll be powergaming uber hard but the best part is that the rise to power will be very sweet!

[@Jwlar]

@@Sonicracer100 Damn, that would really up the difficulty. I guess it says a lot about the game that when even making the worst build, you can still eventually build yourself up to a competent level! It will just a whole lot more time haha. Man, I love the character building in this game

[@Sonicracer100]

@@Jwlar same. I'm diving into it more myself after a break. I think I'm gonna take your build here for a spin and see how far i can sprint with it

[@serenitatis2191]

an hour Jwlar video is a beautiful thing

[@ever-openingflower8737]

Right as he died, killed by the bat at 11:55, the rat that was also nearby made a critical fail and killed itself as well.

[@JokingThief]

First time noticing that lever next to the throne in Privateers' Hold.

[@JokingThief]

43:00 that is a LOT of Sha-Chi for such a bare room.

[@matheusjahnke8643]

20:07 You weren't technically caught stealing... You'd had to be attacked for it to work... But since you are mister speedy, you can dodge; Also, at 20:58 a guard attacked you; Before the roll... they will show you the "Surrender?" box... at that moment your reputation got decreased.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

1:26 GigaChad

[@yukari_katsuragi]

"Worst race in The Elder Scrolls, confirmed, is the lizards!" - The Joint Declaration of Sadrith Mora and Windhelm

[@JackPitmanNica]

lol that skeleton absolutely terrified me, seeing you just jump on the platform and be fine was shocking xD

[@Vhvjdow0ajsbcdhcuei3o22-om4sm]

If your character takes sunlight damage the game will spawn you during night at your destination

[@sirellyn]

Idea for Spell Progression: (Always hated how it's all open at once, no reward for finding new spells.) - Mage Guilds don't sell spells - Mage Guild spell maker only allows you to craft spell effects you have the spells to - Players don't begin with spells except one minor spell tied to a major skill. - Spells can drop with scrolls, but average of less than 1 scroll drop per dungeon. It will always be a spell you don't have and determined by your highest magic skills. - Many spells /spell effects gated by skill level in spell. Makes potions finally useful. And mirrors finding new weapons per dungeon.

[@MrAskmannen]

I got a iron katana of leaping" that had a levitation spell i could use as much as i wanted meaning could basically fly at all times, honeslty the most fun magic item ive ever had in a game, and was super useful in dungeons, also let me get into towns in the middle of kight easily Flying>Climbing DF might be kinda jank, but it has its moments

[@sharoyveduchi]

I'm glad you're not in charge lol

[@DIEGhostfish]

Eg maybe a little too stingy.

[@Staravora]

This reminds me of how effective I was when I first played this game on Dos years ago

[@nti_oedipus]

I like your Daggerfall content a lot but i also liked your other content (total war reviews especially). Please don't get stuck focusing on just one game (no matter how great it is).

[@Jwlar]

Oh I won’t, don’t worry :) once the Arena analysis is done, I’ll be moving away from TES for a little bit :)

[@nti_oedipus]

@@Jwlar Awesome, looking forward to it (Arena analysis as well)!

[@Graknorke]

you know it's going to be good when Impish language as a primary skill would be too strong

[@EclipseCoD]

I watched one of your videos and was inspired to try daggerfall. I didn't look up tutorials or read manuals though. I accidentally made a horrible class and got killed by a imp that I couldn't even kill, because I didn't know magic and used a long sword. The game does look quite nice though. I still think it's most likely the best one in the series.

[@Jwlar]

Ah that sucks. Yeah the game can be very punishing for new players. Once you make a more balanced class though, it becomes a lot more enjoyable :)

[@boomstickYT]

Comparing running to a shop with this build to chuck from better call saul was perfect, made me smile hehe

[@bya_fox]

Jwlar! I am lovin daggerfall. Thank you for building interest in this game.

[@princesidon6606]

argonians where made by the Hist who modeled them off of humanoids basically, so that’s why they have boobs I guess?

[@MrAxebane]

"Were gonna have to just abuse the training at the Fighters Guild for 100 days or something" LMAO!

[@Stormreaperz]

So I actually want to do a run similar to this with languages as a focus for the character. With that said i'm pretty sure you can train languages at some temples

[@Stormreaperz]

I see you discovered that. thats what i get for commenting too soon

[@lordmortos979]

Hope to see more daggerfall! Keep up the good work

[@AzUxIgUy]

4 hour Arena retrospective?👉👈🥺🥺

[@Jwlar]

The Arena one is shaping up to be even longer at the moment. 😉

[@subtledemisefox]

Wait, you can manually engage the speech skills? I thought it was only automatically activated.

[@raytracer5726]

This is basically the equivalent of social studies build irl.

[@Mehumies12]

somehow, this character was better than my own class from my first try at daggerfall

[@mrl2h2]

they need a doom music pack mod for combat situations

[@coriandercastor9453]

I could've sworn that Argonians can't naturally level swimming in some versions.

[@SimoExMachina2]

With those skills you could have joined one of the temples, since most of them value at least some language skills and medical. For example, Temple of Dibella, The Goddes of Beauty which values Daedric and Nymph languages.

[@curvingfyre6810]

If you can make a weakness being nonmagical, coulnd't you give yourself a bunch of magical skills also, basically meaning you have NO skills?

[@xenopsychologist4943]

i played hundreds of hours of daggerfall as a kid, and im so certain heavy cloaks would block sun damage. but i dont know if thats actually true, or just memory being far from perfect.

[@NinjaskKing]

21:25 proof that Ai is starting to outsmart humans

[@jackdaniel3135]

You please the Sixth House of the Tribe Unmourned with your take on Argonians.

[@phyrr2]

Well, I guess the "Linguist" build is out :) The adv/dis system added so much fun when first playing this game when it first released. Having a character level up 3x faster but only using steel until orcish (nothing in between) was quite a challenging playthrough although increased magery and spell absorption when used properly were worth it.

[@queuedjar4578]

Linguist builds could actually still be viable, see the Mad Genius lets play by Adventure Art for what's possibly the best example.

[@Jwlar]

It’s possible if you don’t gimp yourself with your attributes and disadvantages like I did. Made much better with the Archaeologists Guild mod .

[@alexandresinger6892]

now that was a fine and fun demonstration.... I hope you'll do better next time :D

[@sirellyn]

YES! Another daggerfall video!

[@FretboardToAsh]

Doom's soundtrack fit excellent I have to say.

[@AdorableHamster32]

Ah yes! The super inteligent, lucky, speedy, cursed, light-sensitive, poliglot argonian maid. Best character known to man!

[@AdorableHamster32]

She's beloved by peasants, nobility and criminals! Only eggheads and capitalists dislike her... I'm starting to think she's based!

[@lordkiza8838]

Omg i agree with ya. I also wouldn't goto a castle to find some scroll and get killed sound like a horrible time.

[@nijunikuro]

Your skill choices are basically what I chose when making my custom "Negotiator" class - which, unlike you, I wanted to play unironically in DOS version of Daggerfall. The idea was to make the most powerful low-level combatant I could, as raising combat and magic skills wouldn't level me up. I abandoned the run at some point, as it was way too tedious. >.>

[@edmundzimmatore1980]

Build? Is that a new word? You mean class.

[@manuelredgrave8348]

This video made me want to re try Daggerfall Unity. Last time i tried the game ran but a lot of quests didn't complete and i kept getting missing file errors 😢

[@Baguette_Lord]

Today i learned all my past daggerfall characters sucked and i could easily make an op one based off the info gained in this dumb ass horrible build lmao

[@JimTerry-rw9pv]

Good to know

[@goreobsessed2308]

Ah yes my favorite skill dragonish in a game with no dragons

[@Deathly_Visage]

Language Skills Overhaul might've been a great mod to use with this build.

[@zavi1919]

Jwlar is still My Hero

[@Jwlar]

Zavi 19 is my hero :)

[@mateuszliszewski]

I have to point out that you misunderstood my comment about Skyrim looking bad before the remaster - that was meant to be a joke about dated DF graphics, but I guess it wasn't good enough to get it (maybe because English isn't my native language).

[@UnknownName5050]

No that’s funny and makes sense it’s hard to word comedy sometimes

[@Jwlar]

Oooooh! Hahah, it’s a good joke don’t worry. It’s hard to pick up on jokes when reading chat because I’m playing the game at the same time.

[@Titan360]

You're right! Come on, Daggerfall combat music mod, let's GOOOOOOO!!!!!

[@purpledragonofdoom]

I thought choosing your race didn't mater because your class overwrites the benefits of the race and you had to install the mod Races Redone... Have I missed something ?

[@Jwlar]

The “special advantage” listed on the UESP (like immunity to paralysis for High Elves) is the only thing that applies. All the attributes are overwritten by your class.

[@purpledragonofdoom]

@@Jwlar Oh ok thanks for the clarification

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@Jwlar That is odd.

[@UltraZombie115]

Hey look is Akorithi’s First Born Son

[@grundgutigertv6170]

Well, at least with all those languages, you can say this character has great oral skills.

[@coriandercastor9453]

Can't you train at any temple, just at higher cost?

[@Jwlar]

You can yes! The main reason for leaving Daggerfall city was because travelling at night would result in Lysandus' ghosts being a pain. I could've gone to any other city though hahah. In the future I may complete this challenge with an actual plan of what to do lol, rather than winging it.

[@asturias0267]

I'm pretty sure I've seen an image of argonian anatomy that had hist sap in their mammaries.

[@Jwlar]

"We may have gone a little too far in places"

[@DIEGhostfish]

And where do the males store it?

[@General12th]

@@DIEGhostfish You know how they say pee is stored in the balls? Yeah, that.

[@Ryu1ify]

I think the build would have been "improved" if you forbade iron instead of steel. That way, you'd have to use inferior materials with -10 hit chance in addition to the poor agility and complete lack of weapon skills until you found elven or silver

[@ongogablogian4396]

"Worst build" but doesn't go into stealth, Daggerfall is pre-Thief the Dark Project so it's pretty useless.

[@Jwlar]

Has more use than the languages though. But yeah, it doesnt really work. Your stealth will level regardless of whether you're actively in stealth mode, and at best it makes it so you have a tiny chance of running up on an enemy for a backstab.

[@slowpokegarcia6342]

Remember how in morrowind gender affected stat distribution. You think that they have it in here too.

[@matejkamenicky9744]

Actually, it could have been quite useful and interesting character! seeing just the creation screen of your worst DF character, it reminded me about this DF character series kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYGvaquBpduYqpI by Adventure Art, that is also purely language skill based!

[@reesetorwad8346]

I was going to mention Adventure Art, thx, that series made me laugh my ass off.

[@matejkamenicky9744]

@@reesetorwad8346 Too bad the author dissapeared and never finished his character´s quest...with today´s new mods like Skill books and Language overhaul and Penwick papers it would be even more interesting

[@smergthedargon8974]

The only flaw of Daggerfall is giving the lizards breasts. 0/10 game, cursed entire franchise.

[@Jwlar]

Had the forsight to not give them nipples, but forgot to remove the boobs haha

[@billybones7124]

What platform are you running this game on? Unity or Dosbox? Mods?

[@Jwlar]

Unity. I only have minor mods in the this video. I accidentally left on some quest mods, like when I get pickpocketed, that isn't in the vanilla.

[@kittkitsune]

Shoulda called the class the "Linguist"

[@clevertonlins6455]

Use the power of the voice!

[@octocat592]

Sooo... part two when ?