The Worst Feature in The Sims 4 Eco Lifestyle - Why I Hate Insect Farms

[@TheLittletwitcher]

It must be a.... bug....

[@MarinaAndTheDevil]

👁👁

[@arrivalathumanity3481]

*insert dramatic music & (not so) surprised gopher*

[@elfinartist4961]

😂

[@goated3285]

😂😂

[@tornadogirl9099]

🤣🤣

[@MagisterCobb]

“Or... you can go back to your house and tenderize your meat if you don’t have a companion” Carl! Your writing is getting better and more clever all the time. One of the reasons I keep coming back to your channel. Thanks!

[@paigec5017]

"...When you're satisfied with the day's load"

[@littlemssam7295]

My Theory: S4 Devs never really play their own Game... *sigh* I was actually updating/tweaking my own Mods while playing a bit Eco as well but i just could not handle this...

[@Devilsharck]

I think you're correct about them devs not playing the Sims games, it happens in most successful franchises, the original devs who had the love passion and pride of their product move on to work on other projects or franchises and are replaced with people who don't have that same devotion, Same thing happened with companies like Bioware with the Mass Effect and Dragon Age games. You end up with a worse game than the previous because of this.

[@alans2418]

I really hope you can do some mods that tone down the annoying Neighborhood Action Plans that are spammy and frustrating. They really didn't do any quality control on this pack!

[@irishduchess7577]

LittleMs Sam Thank you for everything you do! You fix so much that needs fixing plus a ton that I never knew needed fixing and now can't play my game without. (Sorry not super coherent, it's 6am and I just woke up lol)

[@pissangelmindfreak]

the hero we need

[@jennw6809]

Sadly you're right. Thank you LittleMs Sam

[@brandoniswhoiam]

Little Miss Sam (or any modders) have to fix EA’s mistakes?! What a surprise!

[@nelleke2639]

The bug fix (pun intended) she made for this works like a charm 😁

[@Devilsharck]

Have you actually seen the amazing LittlemsSam's website? It has well over 200 mods, that in itself speaks volumes.

[@Meisuki]

Now they have a chance to fix the balcony that EA just straight up gave up on because their own community can code better.

[@Cynna1065]

@depressed cockroach That she is.

[@sonnyjimmothy6430]

It’s sad that modders are once again having to fix EA's blatant mistakes. If EA turn around and say “it's not a bug, it’s by design” though, I’d have to say I’m disappointed but not surprised.

[@broldencaulfield7411]

looool that bug's eye POV shot really made me laugh, thank you carl

[@heyy_trixxy]

Every pack review is just "I wish they had put more thought into it". Not just from you but many other players. Sims team is being put through too much with too little time. It's upsetting. I'm always eager to hear your opinions on updates. Thanks for the upload.

[@CarlsSimGuides]

I do think time must have been a factor here. This is one of only 10 main features I was able to come up with in a list and its broken from 24 hours out after the initial health decays.

[@LWolf12]

The ECO Foot Print system is another one that system to be just not working right. First day moving into the industrial zone, and 24 sim hours later and it's a neutral zone with me actively trying to keep it an industrial zone. Going so far as to remove windows, doors, landscaping features, carpets & wallpapers & replacing them with industrial polluting ones on from every lot around to neighborhood. Until eventually the meter started to shift back.

[@lilmaibe]

EA seems to have this general approach to 'hey, the brand makes us enough money, let's just put something out and have the players do the betatesting. and then make sure they to blame their mods on any bugs that occur'.

[@Taletree92]

Grant said that the devs get payed for crunchtime when asked about crunch, but he didn't say how much crunch they have to do.. They're likely pushed and rushed way too much.

[@icecube5371]

Agreed, the past expansion packs I've bought from The Sims 4 each time I've gotten more and more disappointed by it so I'm just not playing it anymore. Even now I don't bother playing The Sims 4.

[@almiraplata3954]

They hug the insects longer than they hug their baby.

[@Fattouch]

OOF

[@jekebe4858]

The Sims, where even the bugs have bugs. Well, this is nothing new by now. They've been throwing the game out into the wild for years and leaving it for the community modders to fix their screwups. There are any number of issues in the game that people have brought to their attention again and again ad nauseum but never get addressed. Frankly I'm shocked they finally did something good with the inventory.

[@scottycheesecake]

Turns out nobody in EA played the pack before releasing it

[@l-lraito2863]

I once so bored at playing I read all the credits, and they have A LOT of game testers and qa lol

[@gabbythesimsbuilder44]

Because they knew it was crap but hyped it up just like any advertising of a crappy product so we would be suckered into buying it. P.S. when is the Nifty Knitting coming out? Wasn’t it supposed to come out the same day?

[@aurelie8220]

Quelle surprise 😱 lol

[@lucasbiermann257]

@@l-lraito2863 they have then because they have to. but the law does not say a thing about not listening to their feedback. because listening to means spend money fixing the problem.

[@TheGuido1963]

They are bugs and bee's. The relationship thing is nuts. Next time you see a wasp nest go hug it and see if it makes them happy. Why not WooHoo with a fish.

[@s181miri6]

Haha, right. I think it's a bit creepy that they used the same animation from my first pet stuff, where you assume sims do it because they love their pet. And it's pretty much the same as one animation for cats and small dogs too (the hugging part is). But then in Eco Lifestyle they do this to kill the bugs and eat them or get something else from them. I mean why. Maybe the team just needed to reuse an animation because of time/budget limitations EA put up or something. Clearly there wasn't enough time to fix bugs including the bugs. :P

[@aturchomicz821]

@@s181miri6 This reminds me soooo much of the people who cry and whine on social media because they have to Slaughter their favorite Animals for Profit I mean you could also not run a murder buisness? lmao

[@limiv5272]

Bees are at least social creatures, those bugs shouldn't need or want any social interaction with humans

[@taiwanisacountry8221]

Bugs deserve love too :(

[@aturchomicz821]

@@taiwanisacountry8221 End Speciesism!!!

[@MrJackrussell12]

I just gave up using them until they fix it, cause obviously it's bugged. This should not be this time consuming

[@lucasbiermann257]

have you ever created bugs that can give bio fuel every single day? GUESS NOT.

[@rodh1404]

Who would have thought - the box of bugs is full of bugs.

[@MrJackrussell12]

@@lucasbiermann257 why are you defending this bug? Like why am I able to build a rocket ship in my back yard, but I can't take care of some Beatles? Makes no sense

[@Sirenia0]

Little ms. Sam already has a mod for this. Again something fixed by the community..

[@MrJackrussell12]

@@Sirenia0 sadly I'm on ps4

[@IronSeagull]

I haven't played much with the bug houses. I only have one right now, but yikes now I see why people are having issues with them. My worst experience so far is with the eco footprint. Port Promise goes from industrial to neutral FAR too easily. I know most of the lots there have a neutral footprint but still, it shouldn't be possible to clean the air in just over 24 sim hours. It's too bad, I can imagine this becoming the most hated Sims 4 expansion pack by the end of the week.

[@isaiasagustini7525]

Eco footprint is a total joke. Once again, our sims actions has no consequences at all.

[@lucasbiermann257]

@@isaiasagustini7525 by logic the expensive eletronics have more efficient technology so they consume less than a similar product without that tech. so a big fridge uses the same energy than an inefficient minibar.

[@haileymorris174]

I just got excited to see another simyoutuber in the comments haha

[@stephanielewis709]

I have every house with a green eco footprint, and I even went in with my sim and upgraded every object, and deleted all industrial items and only used green items. It STILL flip flops between neutral and green twice a day... how?!

[@milagrosarroyo5698]

Maybe they’ll come up with a patch I thought it was a console issue thanks for sharing

[@lucasbiermann257]

a patch? they only do things that people will pay for. retail is a mess to this day and there is no patch for that in the last 5~6 years. they did a patch but broke it again by using a older build to make the next pack...

[@FaustRSI]

I just can't believe they are releasing ANOTHER addon when there are still so many to fix in the previous one! All my University sims that were sent to probation STILL cannot re-enroll, and I do not want to start again with them when only one semester is left for them to finish!

[@Mark-sd5jk]

Brielle Iris imagine having to cheat to play it correctly

[@melz6625]

Brielle Iris but isn’t that for new enrollment not to go back when you had been on probation? I had the same issue and just gave up on these sims. It’s really frustrating.

[@FaustRSI]

@Leov of course it's not cheating per se, but in fact you shouldn't be doing anything like that to just play the game. And I am not sure you will have your progress saved when using this cheat

[@Mark-sd5jk]

Heinrich Faust exactly, sometimes even the cheats bug out

[@aurelie8220]

I’m still waiting for a fix for the employees to be useable and ring up customers in Get to Work. That came out in 2014. Still waiting for a fix in Granite Falls when a sim sits next to the campfire and catches on fire every time. It’s EA. They take your money and run.

[@lousielouise8716]

I didn’t realize how bad my insect-o-phobia was until I saw Sims 4 bug houses. I shudder.

[@mellyxstelly]

When I seen them crawl on the box I wanted my money back 😷lol

[@melz6625]

Melody W. when I see it I want my money back and I haven’t even bought this pack 😂🤢

[@vanillabean7832]

Honestly the bugs are just so unnecessary to me. There are so many better things they could have added instead, not to mention that we had already gotten bug eating in Outdoor Retreat. At the very least they could’ve added bugs that are more aesthetically pleasing like butterflies or ladybugs, or they could even have added the ability for children to care for their own ant colony.

[@ceruleantear1]

I don't mind the yellow worms, but the beetles creep me out. They look like cockroaches. Yuck!

[@leahnzastrzelecki5217]

@@vanillabean7832 With your idea, they could have had butterflies as a reskinned and re-tuned bee box perhaps for people who don't own Seasons and the butterflies' appearances could be toggled from a set of retextures. Moths--particularly silk worms would be a great direct stand in for any of the current grosser bug box bugs. The adult moth is adorable as heck--little fluffy, stubby, white things domesticated to be totally dependent on humans--thus eco friendly in that they can't really escape and establish themselves as invasive species. Silk worm cocoons would be the obvious harvest for materials, and silk factory workers get to keep the pupating caterpillars from the harvesting process which they can grill for food as apparently they're considered a delicacy. I wish EA or Sims team cared remotely enough about any life stages other than young adult to even consider giving kids any new activities to do such as the antfarms...

[@Mia_Skywalker]

Oh my goodness. How ridiculous. I've had no intention to buy this pack ever since I saw the first trailer, but this is supposed to be one of the key features of this pack, isn't it? And it's so broken? Why do so many game devs (not just talking about Sims here) seem to think a new expansion feature is SO wonderful that everyone should spend every minute of their day with it?

[@aurelie8220]

Retail employees are still broken and it came out in 2014... I think they released one patch to fix it... But then the next update broke it again and they haven’t touched it since. Employees are a huge part of retail. This is why I stopped paying for the Sims years ago. It’s a total ripoff.

[@lucasbiermann257]

Jack Sparrow: Come and join my crew! you will be boycotting them while using of the features you liked on the pack.

[@Mia_Skywalker]

@@lucasbiermann257 I don't pirate. I just won't buy it, because, quite frankly, there is absolutely nothing in that pack that I find of even the slightest bit of interest. Most of the packs I feel meh about I will buy eventually, if they're on a deep enough sale. But not this one. Not even if they gave it away for free.

[@lucasbiermann257]

@@Mia_Skywalker if they gave it for free then you are not buying.

[@Mia_Skywalker]

@Troll You can play off the grid even without the pack. They made that a base game feature. I've played that way before; it can be fun when you're doing it for a challenge, but I never want to continue a game with that feature ad infinitum. It doesn't fit my game play style. I also never buy a pack unless it's at least 25% off, preferably 50% off. There were only two exceptions to that for me: One was a game pack, and the other a stuff pack, so neither of them were as expensive to begin with. (And I think the game pack had FAR more game play in it than most of the expansions that have been released. But maybe that's just me, because it fit my style so well that it was inevitable that I'd use all the features of it in every game I play.)

[@karalinar_art]

I was getting frustrated with the same thing. This whole pack is so disappointing. I didn't play more than a few hrs. I've been playing the sims from the beginning. The idea made me excited but the game play is sooooo boring. I think this is the end of my love of the sims.

[@phoebedenton123]

Yeah same. The eco effects are pretty much non existent. Industrial? They cough sometimes. Green? Does anything actually happen? Take that away and all you have is a new career, new skill, and the community spaces. Not expansion worthy.

[@SusanDelRey]

Off-the-grid living is quite a pain to me, but it’s pretty challenging.

[@wayjinc2]

Agreed! But frankly it's one of the only things helping me enjoy the stuff in this pack right now.😔

[@lucasbiermann257]

well that is why it was invented tbh. people asked it cause they wanted that lifestyle because its more challenging.

[@phoebedenton123]

The notifications are killing me though. Every two seconds I get one about whether I have power/water or not.

[@VideoJe1]

Eco Lifestyle sounds like a chore to me. I'm skipping this one.

[@Evilene121162]

Its not that bad as long as you don't try living off the grid. I've got two batteries and two windmills and I have power maybe for one sim hour every two days. Haven't figured out how thata supposed to work. And some of the tasks on the new career are glitchy. I do like some of the new interactions and prank phone calls although I have to admit the first one creeped me out (oddly threatening). Did anyone notice the wall plants are on the old plant system where the sim has to evolve the plant?

[@lucasbiermann257]

want to know the funniest part? its not even eco lifestyle! if you research you see that solar panels and wind turbines use more carbon energy to be produced than the energy they will produce themselves. plus solar panels blind birds and wind turbines kill millions of insects every day and that affects the feed habits of all birds, bats and other animals plus making the amount of pollinators decline making flowers die without having a healthy amount of offsprings.

[@BooDotBoo]

@Artoria Pendragon Yeah, no. You need to pay attention to individuals, not calling everyone a mob. Leftist are very different from rabid environmental people.

[@swagit4174]

Should've expected this crap from a Recycle Pack but hot dang really Maxis?

[@AaayeeeeB]

Not Maxis. EA, there is no Maxis anymore

[@swagit4174]

@@AaayeeeeB oh.....

[@lucasbiermann257]

@@swagit4174 maxis died with Spore.

[@Cataclysimz]

"Maybe you don't have a companion and you are busy tenderizing your meat" -Carl PS: that bug POV was pure comedy

[@pamelacurl8342]

the whole bug thing is gross

[@xxSome3Girlxx]

I have such a fear of grasshoppers. To the point where I have missed class because one was blocking the path. I've even been unable to sleep cause one was near my room. Seeing them in game is such a nope for me

[@lucasbiermann257]

@@xxSome3Girlxx then realise that you probably eat at least one little grasshoper per month by statistics so at least one per year walks on your face enters your mouth/nose. confront your fears!

[@username4261]

blue_jay96 I thought it was just me being dramatic

[@nugsboodlepoo]

Agreed. The bug box is such a dumb concept. Don't know why Maxis thought this would be a fun activity

[@nugsboodlepoo]

blue_jay96 I feel you. There are certain spots in my house I'm scared to go near because I saw a big spider there years ago.

[@tanjahelenkvitnes6954]

So that's why they keep on dying on me? I feel like I've been the best bug mother ever, and they just keep on dying. During my eintire gameplay I've only managed to collect like five times in total out of all the boxes I've had. I hope they fix it soon..

[@brayson6889]

Can’t imagine how bad this is then, as I find bees annoying in the game

[@brooklynbarbieedoll]

I thought I was the only one who was experiencing this problem. Also, right after you harvest either the bugs or the biofuel they’re health instantly drops to declining which is odd.

[@TYCOIX]

EA when people point out their mistakes: 👁👄👁

[@lucasbiermann257]

It isnt an EA product without: - Overpricing; - Lack of proper reseach to make the pack make sense; - Bugs even on the bugs; - Possibility for modders to fix said bugs, at least the simpler ones but always leave a big one that cant be modded and annoys a lot of people; - EA Acts like they don't do this on purpose to make it cheaper to produce packs.

[@KqKangaroo]

I'm very glad you brought this up!! I'm also glad for the mods to fix it until EA does. Thank you!!

[@williamzeo2493]

Lol I don't even tried the bug house because the bees never worked for me, they always angry no matter what I did and I tried all the things that people suggested to me (have them sheltered, play classic music, etc).

[@chriswatchingponies9877]

The bugs look bugged. After hugging them 3 times back-to-back for 3 days, they were still ''in decline'', i kicked them out the house.

[@breanamiller5752]

That "tenderizing your meat" joke was not lost on me, sir! 😂

[@steveaustin4118]

let's be honest it's the norm now for these packs to need multiple updates, it's like testing has gone out the window

[@arrivalathumanity3481]

The game gets so much more broken every time a new pack comes out. It breaks my heart 💔

[@steveaustin4118]

@@arrivalathumanity3481 Tbh I stopped buying anything for the Sims, it seems there's less in them and they want more money, I have a feeling they are seeing how little they can do before enough people complain

[@ReplicatorFifth]

The modders have to fix everything x_x

[@Micro-Nova]

Another reason why I won't buy this pack, thx Carl, great work!

[@KittyBGaming]

Here’s my idea for fixing the eco lifestyle pack. Make it country, add cows and chickens so you could use them for fertilizing crops AND making produce along with making candles and soaps. You can still have in rain collectors and electricity saving with solar panels. But just imagine being able to make a whole lot of things instead of JUST candles. Imagine farming which could effect the air by making it fresher or not. If my idea was the pack that came out, I’d pay full price. If you had anything else you want to add to this idea, go ahead. I’d love to hear it Edit: Oh! Imagine if you could hook up your horse to a carriage and ride in it. Then in Halloween time, you could host parties with a hay ride as one of the activities then of course you could just ride the horse and take care of it.

[@micheladell8080]

I like watching Carls videos burning Sims 4 until paralives comes out.

[@BlaqueCzar]

I have a strong feeling Paralives is gonna be a disappointment. The sims needs a big budget competitor, nothing a small team can do with medium budget graphics like that will measure up. If they went lower poly (a la The (first) Sims) it could have stood a chance.

[@moch.farisdzulfiqar6123]

@@BlaqueCzar like if The Sims 4 even had great graphic with their budget. Seriously, why did you concern about graphic while one major problem with The Sims 4 is the lack of gameplay compared to its predecessor.

[@aurelie8220]

BlaqueCzar At this point I would gladly give up graphics for a playable game. Any day. Especially the fake worlds. I’m so sick of the Sims worlds having like six playable lots and the rest is all filled with fake scenery you can’t even walk on. The Sims 3 had a fraction of the scenery and was such a fun game. None of it is needed. Yes, the worlds look beautiful, but then... what can you do with it... The appeal lasts for like two seconds because then it’s boring. And if they focused less on scenery and more on gameplay, it might actually be a fun game or not have so many glitches.

[@BooDotBoo]

@@BlaqueCzar It'll only be a disappointment if it's another Sims 4.

[@scifiwriter6092]

Thank you so much for testing this! Really appreciate all of the time, energy, and effort you put into your videos. I haven't bought this pack yet. I will watch more of your videos before deciding. Thumbs up!

[@mellyxstelly]

I can’t bring myself to force my sims to eat bugs. I even cringed when she hugged the beetle 😷

[@LadyYepperz]

for the life of me i couldnt figure out what the purpose of having the bugs were... then i thought, "ohhhhh biofuel!" then i learn they are meant to be food and i thought.... "oh hell no! never going to happen!"

[@lkelley5708]

I have been frustrated with the eco footprint. Some of the lots are still neutral when I spent hours redoing the houses/community lots. No matter what I do they won’t become green. I finally got my lot green, which was extremely hard to do, I was doing everything right and it is still going back to neutral every few days and nothing changes. Still gardening, still recycling, still tending to my bugs that keep dying lol, my house is a walking green eco foot print lol, still won’t stay green long. It’s really weird and frustrating. Anyways, this was hysterical. Having a rough morning so thank you. I noticed this as well. I was wondering my bugs kept dying, now I know it’s not just me lol.

[@annakl1226]

It’s glitched for sure (the footprint I mean). Someone who looked at the code noticed unless you were on the lots constantly they won’t become green or industrial. They reset when you leave them as well. It’s frustrating and I hope there is a fix soon. I think the pack will be wonderful when all these issues are ironed out.

[@Crystal-lr6ci]

I have to agree when it comes to the bugs. Something else about this pack that I don't like is that you spend many hours and days cleaning your town and then a few days later it goes right back to being trashed again it's a repetitive nuisance I think that once you fix your town it should stay fixed.

[@babajayne]

You’re hilarious. The “today’s load” joke didn’t get past me!

[@lucasbiermann257]

it would only go past a carpet. everybody got that one. it was nice.

[@BrillianceoftheMoon]

It seems that EA has a few bugs to fix...-snorts-

[@DoranneB]

Yes!! There’s a “bug” with the bugs!! 🐛 🦗 🐞A few hours before your video I found LittleMsSam’s mod for faster nurturing and it’s a much needed fix otherwise no more insect boxes in my play! My Sim spent all day getting insects to only growing, only to have to start it all over again the next morning! Maddening! They definitely have to fix this. It’s not fun at all. With the mod, and a quick couple of nurtures, the insects were at THRIVING. WHAT? I didn’t know thriving was a thing! Thank you, once again, to LittleMsSam for saving the day (and the bugs!) I was laughing during your video though! Thanks for covering this issue. We all should make a fix suggestion to the Sims gurus. I will. (Now I need a mod for faster molded candle-making!) 🕯😳

[@simscapism3810]

yup, this is what i was talking about in the comment for last video. i only have two bug farms now and this is still too much. i'm going for the mod cause this is not ok.

[@CarlsSimGuides]

The fact it took 24 hours with me cheating needs, and still not being done somehow inspired me to make this one as a quickie.

[@simscapism3810]

@@CarlsSimGuides yeah i know the pain :D

[@MrCarlicious]

This issue and the balcony issue honestly makes me wish I hadn't purchased.

[@rvank8037]

What's the balcony issue?

[@nicolepohl2707]

@@rvank8037 You cannot put anything in one of the new apartment's balcony... it sucks.

[@melz6625]

well maybe you can take it as a life lesson. never let hype drive you to spend money. wait until time passes and if you still want it then and have reviews to go off, then you can still buy it

[@Nico-ux7wr]

or just pirate it and pay afterwards if it's worth the money (and your morals)... but this usually is not the case for EA.

[@MrCarlicious]

Honestly I normally do, but furloughed from work so thought it would give me something to do while stuck at home all day. Nobody likes a know it all though.

[@samdog23]

Would be nice if a pack came out that we could be 100% satisfied with...

[@stillinhere]

Yeah, I went with one bug house, upgraded the toilet to compost to feed them, and then all the things I had started to break and the bugs were last on my list so a few houses died. I have to say living off-grid is a dream and I intend to keep using sims to live vicariously, but with a child, a career, recycling, bugs, breaking solar panels and turbines, regular needs on regular play, this has been the fucking hardest my game has been since I bought it. I like it, but whew, it was unexpected.

[@aureliaaurita6498]

After the last video I created a Sim named Carl. His favourite pastime is bug hugging and of course, he is overjoyed with his free earbuds... I wasn't sure if I should share that information, but this video makes it even funnier. Sorry, Carl, but at least, I agree with you. It would be better if it wasn't as time consuming. However, I thought it was meant as a "feature".

[@moch.farisdzulfiqar6123]

This isn't bug or simply a feature, this is a clever way to tell the simmers about their gameplay experience with TS 4. That's you required an investment up to emotional level (since your sims isn't really emotional) for such a small and insignificant satisfaction in the long run, yet ultimately you gonna fails. Leaving you with greater hunger for satisfaction, and when the time is come, there is a new DLC to repeat the circle.

[@vanillabean7832]

So many people in the Sims community are like this. Often when a new pack comes out, they’ll say that they don’t believe the pack is $40 but that they are going to buy it for the full price anyway. They use several excuses including “I’m buying it for the furniture” (why don’t you wait for a sale then?) or “I have bought every pack so far so I’m not stopping now (this is flawed logic according to economics as the decision to buy more is based on sunk costs) Or, another excuse that they’ll use in particular to pre-order it is “I think this one will finally be worth $40” when they could’ve simply waited for the reviews instead of throwing away that money without the guarantee. I truly believe that they don’t know this yet but they are using all these excuses to justify a shopping addiction. They buy a pack, play it for one or two days and then they are already bored (aka thirsty for more). This is why I strongly feel that there’s a large portion of the Sims community needs to wake up, realize that they have an actual addiction and start being a lot more conscious about what the packs actually deliver versus the amount of money you will need to spend. People need to stop buying into the hype and impulse buying and realize that almost every single time they buy into the hype they end up being disappointed.

[@2CraftySeniors]

One of the major problems I have with the Sims 4 in general is that everytime they make a new pack and/or give free updates to base game players, the game gets easier and faster to advance... make millions, eco system to green, etc. The challenge now isn't to move forward, but to try to move forward slowly... or not at all.

[@user-yj1cx8nx7g]

Is anyone else having an issue with seeds in their inventory. My sim will dumpster dive and find a rare fruit but like 90% of the time the fruit will disappear from my inventory. I know my sim isn’t eating them and am at a complete loss after losing money tree seeds 3 times

[@HerHollyness]

It happened to Deligracy in her Rags to Riches Part 2. People are saying it’s something to do with travelling between lots? Travelling is bugged so you lose all your inventory since last save apparently. You need to return to home lot and save before going anywhere else, or something.

[@Emidoki]

Sounds like torture. I have no doubt this will be one of the first mods created for this pack to fix this. If they fix this before a mod fix comes out, I'll be shocked. Edit: Oh hey, just found the mod fix a minute after posting this.

[@Surdeigt]

I tried six times, and they were dead in under two days. I quit using them after that. I was wondering why their health was constantly declining but I guess I was busy fabricating furniture.

[@taylre4202]

it's honestly so odd that these critter farms are so... Bad? The system with the bees in seasons works so well. I have no clue how they messed this up so badly

[@showyoursims]

While I appreciate the work that the devs put into the game, I often wonder how they can be so short-sighted with the way they design some of these features. Sometimes it's as if they just go with something funny or quirky without thinking about it for long term gameplay. I'm sure it's hilarious in production, but when you're the one who has to play it seventeen hundred times for the next few years, it's a fiasco. I'd really like to see a little more foresight from them.

[@s181miri6]

"Maybe you don't have any companionship and..." Haha! Thanks for letting us know about LittleMsSam's mod, I'm having a lot of other bugs too so I hope the sims team can release att better patch soon. :/

[@kannbrown65]

I'm okay with the idea of the interaction, that you have something you need to do other than feed them to keep them in health. But yeah, it's WAY too time intensive. If these boxes were intended to be a real fuel, food source or income, you don't have time to do anything else, for too little return. At least with bees, with less time involved, you get improvements with plants, honey AND now, wax. With the bugs, you have to choose if you are using them for food, or fuel, too. Other than going full on off the grid and needing the fuel, once I realized this, I stopped having them. They aren't worth the time invested. And it'd not be hard to do some tweaks. Just have health decline more slowly, have the interaction be more effective. (Food or fuel is probably not going to change, given how you GET them from the bugs, but that's not the major issue. Just another way bees are a much superior choice.)

[@alans2418]

I completely agree. There are aspects such as the recycling for bits and pieces and the new crafting fun that seems done well. I like how Off the grid is fully realized with this pack. However the NAPs are awful and need complete overhaul and fine tuning!

[@Miandey]

Good morning Carl :) lets get to it

[@CarlsSimGuides]

Good night.

[@malegirlboss]

One minute in and already a joke about beating your meat. I love Carl

[@krisher1979]

Agreed. I put 4 bug houses on my lot. At first I thought that once you harvested from the bugs that was their life cycle and they just died. Then I worked out it took lots of hugging and you could get them up to thriving, but my poor sim spent all night and more hugging those bugs and I worked out it was too much work for 1 sim and recycled 3 of the bug houses. Quite a few bugs with with this expansion.

[@joangog]

Oh my god I cant believe they used THAT BUG MODEL. These types of black aphids have taken over my plants (irl) and i absolutely hate them they are very annoying pests!

[@cynsue1618]

I really enjoy your videos they’re informative they’re very helpful and I haven’t run into this problem yet but I haven’t really played with a bug box a whole lot either it’s only on my community lot so everybody plays with them. Keep up the great work

[@funnylittlecactus4672]

My poor bugs are dying all the time lol, I really hope this gets fixed. I've noticed several different things that don't seem to work right with this pack. My biggest irritation is the juice fizzer. It constantly glitches out and I literally can't do anything with it but replace it, sometimes multiple times a day. Also, my child sim can no longer take medicine. I don't know if this was intended or not. I've also noticed with the vertical gardens that when the plants in them need to be evolved it's now an interaction where you have to go up to each plant and evolve it, instead of just clicking evolve and it doing it on it's own. I really hope that was not an intended feature. I know that's how gardening used to be, but it takes forever when you have a ton of plants. Edit: So I just started playing my game and I had plants to evolve in the vertical gardens and now I can't do anything with them. The action to evolve was showing, but then disappeared without my sim doing anything. Then I couldn't even get the action to show in the queue. I would click evolve and it did nothing, it was like I hadn't tried to do anything at all. This is very frustrating!

[@xEnjoyTheMoment]

Quality content. You're so pure and good Carl.

[@goated3285]

On Console when the festivals pop up I have tired to travel to the spice one and every time I load into the city it’s just a box of fireworks 💥 going off but no festival. I didn’t have this issue until the updates & when I brought eco lifestyle none of my festivals show up just a box of fireworks.

[@FluffyPirates]

Thanks for the info. I haven’t installed the pack yet. I wait for modders to fix everything first. Sigh. I’ll add this mod to the list!

[@AE-ld9ck]

Thanks for the video! Couple questions: My plants have been resetting like crazy, I have them sheltered, haven't moved them around i.e. in BB mode, and everything is in a solid structure (no roofing cheats that don't count as tiles, solid structure)... plus my sage plants just look like a deformed image of a single sage. Have you noticed this since the emergency patch? It also seems like my Toddler's hunger need was dropping faster than usual (again), and all my doors were not locking even when I had set them to, plus I disallowed solicitors and even neighbors... and well, things were getting crazy. I swear, about eleven sims were wandering around my house, and then out of nowhere Patchy scared the crap out of me when I switched camera angles. That damn scarecrow raided everything in my fridge! XD

[@gscurd75]

In addition to the insects, I hate that unless you go to every house and jack up the property with extra industrial stuff and remove all the eco items you will always keep moving toward green or neutral. Even the pre-made industrial area turns neutral with no action from the player.

[@andeturner6498]

I thought having the boxes was going to be fun but its a nightmare so i just ended up selling them, Sucks i had to do that but thanks for telling me about Little Miss Sam's mod, Going to go download it now.

[@lizlemonwantsitall]

Thank you for highlighting this hope they fix it! I was so grossed out when my bugs were all laying on the floor in the morning lol

[@BeckaStella]

Thank you for speaking about this! 👍🏻 I will never make my sim have these bugs again. Bc it is so stupid! And annoying 😩 Maybe with a mod... i will.

[@scottrogers6436]

Thanks for this video. I knew I couldn't have been the only person who thought that it took forever to nurture the bugs for no real gain. And thanks for the tip on Little Miss Sam's mod. I'll check it out.

[@LukeCTV1]

I agree with this video I had 2 and struggled to keep on top of my off the grid maintenance (adding fuel to my generators and water generators) and keeping my sims need in check. I ended up deleting the boxes and just dealt with the tense moodlet when buying food.

[@urnxo]

Thanks for doing such well thought out videos and reviews. I've used your website as a resource for years so it's cool to get to know the guy behind the guides I've been using forever! Keep up the great work :)

[@velvetbat]

I had 1 bug farm house with my 2-sim family. After getting them both the aspiration thingy where you need to get bug meat 3x , my bugs died and I just gave up on them. Can't be bothered with the repeated nurturing.

[@tsimkins1960]

Same. I have one who has the maker aspiration, the other is in the eco tech career. I had my maker harvest the bugs 3 times, then sold them. They're more needy than babies and toddlers in Sims 4. At least with babies and toddlers, you can age them up. Don't like those bugs at all!

[@ravenoctober9936]

"Im going to will away his irritable bowel syndrome, right here in my hand" lmao😭 i have not laughed out loud and that hard at a KZbin video in awhile thank carl 😂 Also looks like we'll have to wait for the next hot fix since todays didnt adress alot. FR tho how many emergency updates are we gonna have with this pack? 🙄 why cant they actually just test their products first? I swear this is the worst ep release ever for them.

[@lilianaalvarez9172]

This had not happened to me, but pets disappear and plants change state without reason. Very difficult to play like this.

[@heatherg4459]

I had a single bug farm for a while, I just figured "declining" was just normal. I didn't have any issues harvesting while the bugs were in "declining" status, but I do find that the "ready" or "not ready" to harvest statuses update before they're actually ready to harvest, which is kinda irritating.

[@cnpf312]

Yeah! You got this 100% right! I hate the bug boxes... the way they work is ridiculous! I love the idea of them... I really wish they fix this. On the bright side, I think Eco Lifestyle is on of the most amazing expansion they ever released. I am so in love with it!

[@darlareddell6690]

I noticed that if I get my insects up to thriving before I harvest they decline less. I don't nurture but 2x per day.

[@Phaeli]

I've just been adding them, collecting when I can and then cleaning them out and adding them again in a few days when I need fuel again. I don't have time to hug all the bugs lol.

[@Phaeli]

My main problem I've been having is my plants disappearing after they get weeded, watered or harvested. They don't regrow and stay dirt mounds forever. I've had to use testing cheats to get them to grow back!

[@melz6625]

the fact that you make such hilarious videos on this new EA fiasko is almost making up for the update (didn’t get the dlc) breaking my game with frequent crashes. and suddenly my sims are fighting all the time for no reason. what is happening? is someone else experiencing this?

[@marcosamaral6925]

This reminds me of the reward system for shops in Get To Work. It takes you 500 interections with clients to get the more expensive reward. 500 times doing the same thing over and over again. It gets really stresseful and than you give up having a shop

[@Crimsin_Fury]

LMS is an angel of mercy!! I can now use the insect boxes that I had given up on.

[@rateriota2190]

I found that trying to maintain more than 2 insect farms per sim in the household is asking for trouble. 2 to 1 ratio. So unless you have a full house of 8 sims, the time invested for maintenance on these farms is not possible... unless you cheat motives like in the video.

[@gscurd75]

Other than a mod, the only other way around this is to just clean them out and buy new bugs every time which kind of defeats the purpose.

[@alextalkey4304]

Modders constantly fixing ea problems 3627286x times

[@barbiquearea]

Also is there a point in stocking the insect farms with certain bugs when some cost more than others? I mean bombardier beetles cost $35 whereas grubs and crickets cost $15. I know different bugs give you different meat, but I still only use them for bio fuel and there is not difference in the bio fuel they produce.

[@bellz9113]

I am trying to collect enough bug to try to see if I can fizz them as I am wondering if that is one of the perks of the expensive bugs. I feel like they mentioned or hinted at why one of the bugs were more expensive in the live stream of the gurus playing the game. I just don't remember what they said.

[@JelaneJ]

Totally agree on the need for fixes. They broke gardening (which never really got totally fixed anyway). Keep their feet to the fire!

[@joannloves8232]

Because you did say how in the video, I was hoping it would be in the description, but it's not. So I guess I'll ask. Can you tell us HOW Little Miss Sam fixed this? So I can fix this in my game? Or leave a link to her mod or instructions? please!

[@deaf-tomcat]

I know people get mad at the game devs, but with bugs like this, it's more of a managerial/structural issue. No amount of passion can help when you're being forced to work crunch constantly!! Like I'm sure some do care and want to make a better game but they aren't given the time to do so. EA's horrible when it comes to crunch.

[@tahaniplays]

Oh my gosh 😅 Thats sure a lot of time and silly to hug them 🤣🤣🤣 I agree with u Too bad its not as bees easier

[@nininoona]

I also had a very bad bug with having both the bug boxes and the bee box on the same lot. If I collected flour/biofuel the bugs would die. When you replace the colony you never get to collect flour/biofuel again unless you replace it altogether. When the beebox is on the lot, it will also do the same thing: allow you to collect honey/wax but if you interact with the bug box the bee boxes wont create honey/wax anymore and you have to replace them. So it ends up forcing you to choose which one you want on your lot. Its annoying as all get out.

[@LadyYepperz]

They get jealous maybe... :-/

[@realshaezilla]

I WAS HAVING THIS SAME ISSUE! I was so excited for the bugs at first, but it is near impossible to maintain them, especially more than one box. There seems to be a bug with the bugs... and I'm not having it! But overall, I LOVE the pack. They just need to tweak a few things.

[@user-mc5qd6hc7n]

I was just playing this yesterday and saw the declining status of the grubs and I thought, “am I doing something wrong here?” Thanks for posting this video. Is there ANY quality control checking on these? The only reason I added an insect house was because of the toilet upgrade having to with compost, lol.

[@edachoy1510]

Who would believe that taking care of the bugs is much more exhausting than of children in Sims 4?

[@dolphinopoly1012]

The multiselect tool doesn't move objects to another container. I thought it would and started to redo the vet part of the dog and cat pack. Took 5 mins to put away all the meds I crafted. They need to add more free features or even update the current packs.

[@nedrane297]

I just knew those bugs would be a problem. I'm getting this friday when I get paid, so I really appreciate the things like this myself. Can you tell us how some of the past packs might fit with this one? Is there changes in pet reactions? Did they add the civil engineer to the degrees in University? Any other updates to other packs that are not apparent? Can we maybe get wax from bees to make the candles? Ok, that one was a stupid question, I know it is highly unlikely, but I still, you know, have hope. OH OH OH!!!! Did they fix the thing with the plants only blooming at 5-6am? Because if not what good is a garden community lot? (edit) On a side note, I just have the update right now but... my pets keep disappearing! The only way to get them back is to leave the lot and then when coming back make sure to bring the "missing" pet back as well. The UI has the pet's icon greyed out and they cannot be called back, they did not run away, we all know how that works, my sim was literally talking to the pet and it FADED away.

[@CarlsSimGuides]

You can get wax from bees, and other integrations with seasons (like cloudy days with solar panels, and acid rain with smog that I have not seen yet). Civil engineer has a degree but I forget which school it is right now.

[@scarletblaine6166]

You CAN get wax from the bees now :) I would seriously love to answer more of your questions, but since buying and installing the damn expansion pack my game has been so messed up I haven't been playing. For me, my biggest thing was wanting to create a completely off the grid, self sufficient household in Sulani, and I feel it ties in the most to island living since it polished the off the grid feature a little more. (Although some of that was from the recent patch as well) Honestly though, I'm still not sure how I feel about the pack. I was super excited for the fizz station, but it's been a bit of a let down too :( Hopefully soon I'll have my Sulani coconut farmer, lmao.

[@bellz9113]

@@scarletblaine6166 i like the fizzing station but I am struggling to fully understand it. For example i somehow made a strawberry fizzy juice that was worth over 300 simoleons. I can even make kabocha now and a variety of stuff but can't seem to make anything of a higher value that I noticed. However whenever I make anything with strawberries it's instantly worth a lot. Carl can you make a guide about the fizzy drink thing next??? I care more about it than anything else tbh. I am even at the stage where i can send my juices to be evaluated like the geo council stuff. Super interesting part of eco life style imo.

[@nedrane297]

@@scarletblaine6166 Yes!! Thats one of the things I want to do! And I have a yearning for a recluse living in the woods... I'm thinking that island in Windenburg. Oh, and I have a plant sim (ok a sim with a forbidden fruit tree) ready to move into Evergreen Harbor, surely that tree and the portal one should affect things? And Vampires should totally be able and want to live off the grid. I don't think Spellcasters need electricity, right? Can you tell I'm one of those who like the supernaturals? But they fit with off the grid so well. I'm going to have FIVE days to play as part of my birthday celebration. Me and my three nieces all in one room with two desktops and two laptops and I can tell you, we will know how the supernaturals work with this stuff by next Wednesday. Unless it doesn't work for us and then you might hear me screaming from here to wherever you are.

[@scarletblaine6166]

@@bellz9113 same! I'm having issues too, and I don't know if I'm just not understanding the gameplay, or it's not working right. I've had the same issues with understanding quality/price because it seems so random. I thought maybe value/quality of the produce (or item) played into it, along with skill, but if so there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it. Prices don't necessarily reflect what's being put into the product as far as harvestables. I'm also incredibly sad that I can't use more than one ingredient to make fizz or seltzer! If all the skill does is increase the quality (and not even consistently) I think that's a HUGE letdown. I was hoping we would be able to mix ingredients/harvestables or learn recipes along with skill gain. Also, even though my sims skill is maxed out, I can't find the option to make kombucha no matter what I do! Is there a specific ingredient I have to use? I've tried everything I could think of, I don't know what I'm missing out on or not grasping because of all the bugs in my gameplay.

[@TheOG-GG]

What people need to understand is that it is NOT the Sims Team's fault. It is EA's fault. Yes, the Sims team is separate from EA. Simmers and other people are mad about what EA does. Let's break it down... EA is responsible for... Deciding the price of all the packs (which is destroying the consumer, their customers) Deciding the deadlines The Sims Team has to finish a pack (EA doesn't GIVE them time so that why all the packs are unfinished. EA didn't give them a chance!) Deciding the Sims teams work hours/resources (EA makes the Sims Team work 24/7 without breaks or paid time off. This means the Sim Team is being tortured thus less productive) Doing the marketing for each game/pack. The standards and quality control of each pack (which they don't care about. They want to charge high prices for low quality. That's EA NOT the Sims Team!) The Sims Team is responsible for... Actually developing the game Fixing any bugs or issues with the game Let's add more perspective, The Sims Team is given crazy deadlines with literally no breaks to develop consistent packs for the Sims that EA decides the price on. Productivity and efficiency go down when you are forced to put in all-nighters, aren't having fun at your job, aren't being treated well by your employer, aren't being properly paid for your efforts. You can actually compare the interviews of the Sims Team when they were working on the Sims 3 vs working on the Sims 4. The Sims team seemed to be more relaxed, had more fun and freedom while making the Sims 3 than their interviews about making the Sims 4. It makes a difference! EA is torturing the Sims Team! (let's not forget that they DESTROYED Maxis too!) The Sims Team is working really hard doing the best they can with the ridiculous deadlines EA gives them.

[@infinite_verve]

The sims team is at fault. They push the promo's, ramp excitement, know about issues pre-release, and ask for kindness ("we are human")- but then make statements when asked about things (like this one- where he clearly states that they *are* a business: twitter.com/SimGuruGrant/status/1259899911828471810). They seem to be 'just mere humans trying their best' when people have serious issues that need addressing (like putting out broken product, and not fixing major bugs which have been around for years)- but then they double down defensively about "being a business"... Being a business actually means legal obligations/ accountability to customers, and not (willfully) engaging in poor business practices. The sims team are also the ones who are constantly defending Ea/Maxis and their product/s.

[@BookshelfBrando]

you are right I hate bond with the bees: And this new "Nurture" the bugs BOTH NOT NEEDED.