The WORST K-Pop Survival Show

Starlight Boys has quickly gained a reputation as one of the harshest survival shows, with reports of xenophobia and trainee hospitalizations.
#kpop #kpopnews #KOOKIELIT

[@piupiupiupiupiuliang]

The guy who spoke up actually wasn't speaking for himself (because he was already "examined" by the judges), bro was purely speaking up for the other trainees

[@yinhaosunlight]

PLEASE VOTE SUN YINGHAO ❤

[@drikatastelikeachrbmb]

​@@yinhaosunlighthe is my 1st vote everyday❤

[@Hqnn1e]

​@@yinhaosunlight I always vote for him❤

[@jenniferld672]

Yeah he was speaking up for that one guy that was bawling his eyes out because he was so exhausted. I thought he was an exceptional dancer and he was doing wonderful and they should have chosen him already and I think they didn't choose him because he was crying and getting upset they were trying to push him to man up and be stronger by dancing over and over again and I think that is complete BS!!!!

[@saultysault]

The guy who called for the timeout and spoke up should automatically be the group's leader. Even idol groups known for intense choreography (Itzy, BTS, GFRIEND, ATEEZ, etc) weren't choreography powerhouses on the first day of training.

[@josenpuerto5805]

hoping that it won't be the reason for him to get eliminated

[@Curlyygirl-sz4jl]

He is called Sun Ying hao and he is a Cpop idol in the group IXFORM from YOUTH WITH YOU Season 3

[@callien_1132]

I watched Youth with you 3 and he's one of my favorite cause he's a straight forward person. Sun Ying Hao is Brave and Clever to calls out, cause he knows something was wrong and he won't tolerate it!!! 😅😅😅

[@Zero_crumbs_left_0_1]

​@@josenpuerto5805 he has a great solo fanbase already and he had already apologized to the judges and has a good rank so he's safe

[@fghjk-h7n]

@@josenpuerto5805he is safe he’s in top 2

[@lindalily69]

Imagine what is going on behind the scenes if they treat them like this in front of the cameras.

[@NinaSaav89]

For real! They better be feeding these boys!

[@wengo44]

i'm sure it's far worst.

[@EvanescenceEverythingOh]

but that's the industry that,s how they became successful

[@wengo44]

@@EvanescenceEverythingOh yes but doesn't make it right to continue the abuse. at some point, positive changes must be made. wouldn't you agree? :)

[@S.N_21]

Yeah

[@vivianedossantoscaipira7075]

ILAND was cruel, but this is next level. Sun Yinghao was right, but in the end, he was evil edited and was forced to apologize. That was straight pure torture.

[@SUNSHINELIX-hl8ds]

It’s brutal

[@SweetforS]

I still dont get why iland was so bad? Maybe bc it was my first survival show? It’s still one of my all time favorites. I mean I know all survival shows have evil editing so for a time I hated Heeseung (he’s now my second favorite in Enhypen and a few eps later I was voting him religiously), but how does that make it any different from the Chinese evil editing in boys and girls planet? Genuine question.

[@vivianedossantoscaipira7075]

@@SweetforS For me, I-LAND till now was the worst survival show because how some off the things were done there. But in this one... this is next level.

[@SweetforS]

@ how though? Like go into detail cause for me it was the best. It was a small amount of boys, I got to see each boy and form connections to more than half of the boys, nearly all of them have debuted since then, and they didn’t get eliminated right away just sent to ground so they’d have less benefits and risk of elimination so they’d work twice as hard to get back into Iland. What exactly was so bad? I thought it was quite fair aside from a few evil editing moments which is unfortunately almost unavoidable

[@vivianedossantoscaipira7075]

@@SweetforS I won't specify 'cause I might see it that way, but you don't.

[@rammie25]

idols practice for MONTHS to prepare for their concert, and they have personal trainer to help them built their stamina and endurance these trainees barely have any experience in the industry, this is insane

[@likelyoolikemetoo]

also during concerts idols aren't singing and dancing the entire time (how ever many hours the concert is), there are moments where their can rest while changing outfits or they play a VCR, or moments to talk and interact with fans

[@ArtisticCorner2]

I also think about that and it is true

[@EvanescenceEverythingOh]

not every time even sick you have to be ready to go to work

[@아현-o7t]

I don't think you watch the whole episode.. dancing to the same songs for many times...I guess the kpop idols or other professional dancers couldn't dance that much of rounds non stop without having a proper rest time..

[@sarah3412]

Also we re talking about 90 times. 30 songs arent nothing to compare to 90 times repeating the same dance. Sorry Seunggi just bitter

[@SBBunny93]

The Syo situation screams racism. “I expect you to dance better and honestly thought you’d be good at it” without knowing him at all leads me to believe he saw his skin tone being darker and assumed a stereotype that black people are good dancers. Disgusting.

[@haskeke8154]

Is he black ?

[@mariamakolo9463]

Totally agree with you on this..seem like he's been cancelled even b4 he started from the judges comment. Hope his determination and great attitude gets him through

[@BS.STEA.ZRTXXXOT]

I feel like it wouldn’t be as bad if they didn’t go right behind that and let someone who practically walked around the stage get a star which I’m not mad at him for not having talent but If Syo got zero stars they both should have gotten zero stars if the other guy got a star Syo should’ve gotten a star

[@myathegrandma]

I thought the same thing! It was so infuriating to witness in real time

[@myathegrandma]

@@BS.STEA.ZRTXXXOTexactly!

[@Real_Infinity95]

This show needs to be cancelled. It’s just wrong.

[@rmarshall7744]

funny story actually, Starlight Boys is the revived version of a Chinese survival show named Youth With You/Idol Producer. Now, not only did ywy fuck up so spectacularly the 3rd season ended without a final episode and quietly debuted a group once the heat had died down (minus tony, who had consistently ranked first but had a rather nonsensical scandal and left), survival shows were banned in China until 2024. My understanding is they aren't fully permitted yet, and so the decision was made to rebrand as an international survival show. the reason ywy 3 was cancelled? as I recall, it was a food waste scandal involving milk drink lids being used as voting tokens, and people buying the drink and pouring it away in bulk just to collect the lids for their idols. This got survival shows banned in China. The other funny thing about youth with you was it was ALWAYS a blatant rip-off of Produce, because at the time tencent had the rights to the produce franchise. iQiyi made their own version that was very adjacent. Now Produce is done, the new thing is Girls'/Boys' Planet. And so the rebrand is Starlight Boys. It's honestly laughable.

[@SweetforS]

@@rmarshall7744lmao this one should definitely be canceled. I give it 5 episodes max. Ain’t no way anyone is going to watch it unless it’s to vote for sun ying hao and/or hangyul. And they deserve it. And I’m scared if this group actually does become a thing bc this is like hangyuls chance of escape from pocketdol but who knows this management may be even worse. Free my boys bae173 and fantasy boys leave them alone ffs.

[@IvyDong-i7y]

@@rmarshall7744 ywy is better and more healthy than starlightboys tho

[@nguyenvu1078]

Didnt need to cancel it It fking flop after that batshit insane comment that retarded lee seung gi made Went from hundred thousands of view to a few thousands on youtube

[@Curlyygirl-sz4jl]

@@Real_Infinity95 UPDATE: There are currently rumors in the fandom that I think has not totally been clarified of Ying Hao, Xing Xing amd Gwanwoo which are the other team members in Ying hao's bg, IXFORM of wanting theor fans to halt the votes for them and was released by their fanbases in china and there is comewhat confusion between fans if they want to debut or not as there are about 2 to 3 ep left and there are alleged statements, and i am saying "alleged" not to spread any misinterpretation that Ying hao has been called by staffs or people in the show that he is "too feminine" due to his visuals and long hair and this is concerning for us the fans voting for him and some fans believe if the 3 boys and Ying hao do not debut, they group will fail as China is their main market as there are not a lot of korean views on this show so it is speculated if things don't work out everything could fall apart and I am worried for the other trainees in the lineup as trainee idols like Hangyul from BAE 173 and others have gone on several survival show and you can tell it has affected them negatively and most ofnthemnare old like ying hao and hangyul and others and this can POTENTIALLY be their last chance trying to be kpop idols as they may not get a chance duento potemtial age limit on other survival show maybw if they joim another one so not only will the survival show flop thanks to thos controversial ep and some of the stuff rn but all of these trainees and their lives will be affected and the only thing which will hurt is how CRAZILY TALENTED these guys are as even most of them are All rounders especially the koreans in the lineup amd there are no minors in the debut lineup

[@Broken-gv6bh]

The double standards are just disgusting 🤢🤮

[@DianaOsazenaye]

yep some people need too be sue

[@mahmoodikram]

frrrrrrr

[@kvannielpdance8346]

This more then a three time standard 😢

[@SUNSHINELIX-hl8ds]

What is double s??

[@Yourdramaaclipss]

@@SUNSHINELIX-hl8dsit’s like you’re favoring a group, over the other.. other example is when someone shares food with a group but the other group is standing there with they’re hand open also but you don’t give none to that group… (if im correct. 😅)

[@HotSaucenRacha]

Yall the incident with Syo is racism not xenophobia. This was clearly about his skin color not his country of origin as they put through his countrymen who was evenly matched. Words matter.

[@ManishaZindove]

Thank you, I thought I was the only one who thought that the way they FUCKING judged hime seemed very racism

[@heyyanamichelle]

its both and its possible for it to be both. just racism means that syo is not a foreigner, and as a non-korean and being half american, but he is a black-asian foreigner so its both

[@heyyanamichelle]

they thought that him being half black made him good at dancing because of the stereotype of black americans being good at dance, thats why its both

[@kennyborahae]

Exactly!!!

[@mothynx]

Starlight boys, more like Gaslight boys.

[@mikarinrinn]

HELP I'M CRYING also kanzaki souma pfp spotted

[@eliskalangerova3332]

If somebody told me that I'm gonna be mentor but I have to say or do disgusting shit like this to the trainees I'm out the door. No amount of money or exposure would persuade me do do something so inhumane... Also a ballad singer who does not even dance while performing his songs having the audacity to say something about building endurance for concerts? Absolutely pathetic. I do not wish harm upon him but I wish he tried what the trainees had to go through in that challenge

[@mariagonzalez-lh7yj]

The worst thing is that with the amount of difficulties and obstacles he had in his career and with his company, one would assume that he would have enough empathy to be a good mentor to trainees

[@helloasia3620]

I agree. It seems that nowadays he is more into entertainment than being a good role model for these trainees. If he thinks that fans love seeing their idols on the brink of death while performing he is sick.

[@railsz4294]

Fun fact about that comment for the concert. It doesn't make sense because even if there are 30 songs in a concert which there aren't it's 20 to max 25. There are breaks, introductions and VCR's inbetween. Usually a concert is like this: intro VCR, starting positions, Perform recent or main concert hit song, perform maybe 1 or 2 songs more. Introduction who they are, in position, 3 more songs, VCR/break 6 songs VCR and continue this rotation. The breaks are usually atleast 5 to 10 minutes with the slower more balled songs used as interaction with the crowd rather than dancing. Also that dude got a law named to him to protect idols. I feel they're projecting their own trauma towards the trainees which isn't fair. Especially find it perculiar hui who recieved the amount of abuse he has hasn't spoken out about this. Also idk if this is filmed in china or korea or whatever, but if it is in korea there has to be some labour law they're breaking or human rights violation they're doing here. They're asking for a lawsuit here.

[@sunudori]

The judges as a whole are laughable. They have double standards and contradict themselves. They claim idol material is someone with dedication, but then the one who actually showed dedication to learn dancing for his first performance gets zero stars, meanwhile someone who put no effort and has little skill gets one star purely for his looks. The judges seriously seem to have some inferiority/superiority complex. I really don't think they have any grounds to be making these comments and deciding who gets picked, but they act all high and mighty like they've performed at the Grammys or something. I like the boyz, stayc and pentagon, but who are they to be judging so harshly on this show? They're good, but not superior. The use of idols/actors/ singers as judges is not a good strategy for these survival shows, and I wish survival shows would just stop as a whole or get a better judging system.

[@bullbae02]

even in a concert setting. you dont sing and perform continuously.... most you will ever do is 10 in 1 hour and thats pushing it to the limit with 1 song every 6 mins but even with that you wont be dancing all the way in full choreo.... the guides logic is so flawed and ego centric that outside of their group think.... its getting a lot of hate and push back.

[@SweetforS]

Yeah I’ve been to over 10 kpop concerts and the most you’ll really do is like 3-4 songs in a row, and then like a 5 minute ment, back to another 2-3 songs, another break, if it’s a rookie group maybe they change and/or start performing cover songs in units or solo, do a group rpd, come back do another couple sets of songs (usually with at least one sitting down), more ments, and then later the encore stage where they just walk around to a few more songs

[@mikaelmohd5832]

Wow just the survival show alone is more horrifying than horror film itself. Poor trainees 😢

[@mariasol1545]

like at what point is the fame worth it... these kids need to go back to school. Shame on their parents for allowing minors to go through with this

[@SweetforS]

@@mariasol1545well most of them aren’t minors though… there’s only two born in 2007 so they were 16 and now just turned 17 last month, and then by Korean standards, the 06s are minors too so there’s at max 8 minors out of 69-70 but really only 4 minors by international standards at the time of filming. Not perfect but better than many shows that cap it at like 19 or 21, and have contestants aged 14 or younger. The oldest here are 26 (ofc this is not in defense of the show I am just saying there aren’t really that many minors here)

[@rhenzernieta2914]

What made this Survival got so many HATE was Lee Seung-Gi comments, remarks as well his obession when it comes to Visuals Trainees not to mention, He Had the Audacity to Make Comments when he himself is NEVER an IDOL as Lee Seung Gi is just a SINGER not AN IDOL

[@joeblack3623]

Lol, Seunggi is a member of the Special Forces Military Team. Those guys climbs mountains for days, carry huge tree logs while walking, and sleep in the snow. He knows what a male human body is capable of while these guys are crying after dancing for just 20-30 minutes. If these pretty boys want to chase a dream, they need to toughen up. There's social workers like soldiers and firefighters same age as them who's done way more exhausting physical training than them. Seunggi is just encouraging them. He knows what physical hardship is like. It's nothing compared just dancing for less than an hour.

[@Cataclysmicrose]

@@joeblack3623 I don’t mean to be rude but they had to dance to a signal song with only 30 second breaks. Some had to dance up to 19 times which is about an hour. At least the mentor most likely received training before his military training, but they are just trainees. They are two different things and should not be compared. The fact that some of them had inhalers and had to be sent to a hospital mid-show shows that they are not just being petty and spoiled, but they are actually pushing their body past the limit. Not to be rude 🙏🏽

[@Nawizi1]

​​​​​@@Cataclysmicrose trust me you aren't being rude. if anything that person needs to get in touch with reality. Seunggi isn't a good person & he should be arrested for making these people dance non-stop with no breaks

[@Marco_El_Afro-Latino]

​@@joeblack3623 He has training in order to do that. If he did that right at the beginning w/o training, he wouldn't have succeeded. It's a similar story w/ the trainees. These people don't have the training required to do those activities at that level. As a result, they're unable to do it.

[@joeblack3623]

@@Cataclysmicrose Lol wrong. Even in the show 'Real Man' which is a military themed variety show starring idols without any training and knowledge, the very first thing they did right away as they enter the premise was do timed limit push ups, pull ups, and running drills. That''s even before their orientation and before they meet their future leader and colleagues. There are no warnings and condioting there, lol. How much more if it's the real military which we are talking about? And do these pretty boys really think that there will be no physical challenges that would push them to the limit in this survival show? I mean really? Do they think it will be just rainbows, butterflies, and girl fans screaming while they do 2-3 dance performances? In any career you choose, there's instances where you need to man up and toughen up. This is a survival competition in which they have to be ready physically and mentally and not cry for mommy when they get tired. This isn't malpractice nor a dumb practice, lol. This is a test of character and will. That one trainee in the episode who said "I can do this all day" showed heart and character. He believed in himself no matter how tired he is. All the other lipgloss wearing contestants should've been inspired by him.

[@voteyinghao]

SUN YINGHAO YOU'RE THE BEST!!

[@Hoshimi_Chan]

YES!!

[@krzum6024]

UP!!!!!!

[@avsambart]

Seungri expecting untrained trainees to perform 90 minutes straight like "an idol in concert" would do is INSANE - also idols have a break in the middle of their concerts to talk and catch their breath, they do ballads in between hard sets so their bodies can rest, they perform solo stages or duets or trios so half the group can rest while changing outfits for a few minutes, there's 4-5 VTRs per concert which can last 3-5 minutes so they can change and rest - wtf is he talking about?! Also, these trainees haven't built the months and years of prep and stamina for that!

[@strawberryaster1165]

true! but it was Lee Seung Gi not Seungri hehe

[@moonlightb1ood579]

Wrong person.

[@NinaSaav89]

The fact that one of the judges said that he EXPECTED Syo to have great dancing skills..that just rubbed me the wrong way..like why? Why should he have great dancing skills? Cause of his African American background?? He sounded so ignorant when he made that comment 🙄 and Syo was deff born to be an idol and it’s not because of how he looks but cause of his TALENT, he’s done 3 amazing performances (the try out, signal song and the stray kids performances). Syo fighting! 🎉 🎉

[@littlereddress6621]

as someone who watched the produce series, another heavily scripted show, there's still no excuses for the way they treat and talk about the trainees. this show is awful, not even entertaining. i expected better from eunbi and hui and hope this changes. edit: seunggi also shouldn't talk about how idols do a concert when he's never had such a concert himself. idol have personal trainers, they also do concert once they're into their 2nd or 3rd year in the industry. these are trainees, some very young; they lack stamina, they lack the training and preparations. what seunggi said what straight up wrong! he was so much better in pd48...

[@mariagonzalez-lh7yj]

Exactly, I have seen every season of produces, its Chinese, Japanese and Korean versions, and this has to be the worst activity I have ever seen. It is one thing when a trainee reaches those points of exhaustion due to their own demands, it is quite different to push them all beyond their physical and psychological limits in such dangerous way.

[@baddabing-badaboom]

Like I’m trying to understand why Seunggi is even on the board???

[@chansmile226]

idk whats more dissapointing. veteran artists believing and encouraging talentless yet charming/good looking people would make the cut or that kpop is actually going to be just a bunch of pretty faces will no hard skills in singing/dancing.

[@linppl]

just look at ive/hybe idols

[@introvert9276]

Shame on Lee sung gi for his remarks and for favouring the visual trainees. I salute Sun Ying Hao for standing up for his fellow trainees.

[@chaejennie7764]

that boy was very awkward and really didn't do anything impressive but them judges still gonna give him a star like what? but not the other boy even though he did way better, the double standards is crazy i swear.

[@whereswesker]

I'm just Sad Eric is part of this show. He was so obviously quiet and uncomfortable when the rest of Judge's were thrown harsh comments and he only spoke when he encouraged them. It's not a show for a nice person like him tbh

[@mochikim3837]

The other judge's too blind because they think what they do it's true... for me they better not try to add more people to come if they just think they the 🌟most perfect judge's🌟

[@SUNSHINELIX-hl8ds]

Probably because Eric understands their struggles

[@whereswesker]

@mochikim3837 I can understand being strict judge but they're like top excited to play that card too early like dude you haven't even trained them yet and yall are ripping them apart??? It just so stupid

[@whereswesker]

@SUNSHINELIX-hl8ds exactly. And then there's Yoon acting as if she knows better than Eric who's been longer in the industry

[@preyslaydisplay]

3:36, Why did you change what the tweet said from racism to xenophobia? Because that was NOT xenophobia that was absolutely a case of subconscious racism. The expectation that he'd be good at dancing just by his looks comes solely from Syo being black, they were disappointed that the only black contestant didn't meet their expectations of how black people are, that was RACISM not xenophobia.

[@SakaiSteven]

She still wants to make Money from the video Some words flag the video for demonetization

[@sophieholt9962]

But don't they except them all to be good? That's why they're there.

[@MrAresxy07]

What's worse is the Lee Seunggi, is known to speak about mistreatment when it comes to his music not being credited for 18 years. And even had his own act (Lee Seunggi Incident Prevention Act), yet he does something like this to the trainees? smh.

[@lucasfagundes3051]

The jury must change the sentence, lee seunggi must pay for his statement

[@eeuphoria.97]

all of them litterly crying judges and producers doesn't have heart or what? I know idols tranning is harsh but this is literally torture

[@S.coupsMelong_pang]

That's why i hate survival shows!

[@ev14lyn]

Same and totally agree to this!

[@nevisaces]

Project 7 can never

[@elexiaria]

project 7 is good

[@S.coupsMelong_pang]

I never said project 7 was bad!

[@juggling235]

Scool could never

[@Haneul-k9n]

I mean of course it's not easy to be an idol and you definitely need good stamina. But even at concerts they don't dance to such energetic songs for such a long time. they can also take short breaks or have songs with no or less choreography.

[@knowlesknowles2154]

Most of the contestants had previous survival show experience. Kachine in youth with you 3. Was excellent and never to hardly complained. But now seeing him in tears fighting for his fellow trainees it's disheartening 😢

[@loulver4028]

literally so true. I'm really sad that poor Gunwoo (Neil), Xing Xing and Kachine is going through this cause I was really excited to see them again. But even if they debut now - i'm afraid that ent. that is resonsbile for them isn't going to care for them. I really want them to become successful cause they were amazing in YWY3. I'm just so disappointed at this show honestly. I don't even know what to say because i can't tell if its the mentors issue or the directors issue or the pd issue but somebody is responsible for this and I want the truth.

[@cashilla]

They gave him a STAR because of he's face? Seriously? This was like my teacher who didn't graduated college but called herself a teacher and gave stars to my classmates and gave demerits to behave students because of favoritism. And they called themselves former idol/artist (pro) but some of them lack famously and lack of struggle and most of them only became an artist for 3 year but became judges. Load of BS

[@Broken-gv6bh]

The Dance Challenge is just Ridiculous 💔

[@RYUs_addractive_gal]

Omg we get a lovely line up: Racism Life threatening Making idols get hate which is alot more than it should be The producers suck Comparing them to literally a show about surviving in life Love that trainee who stopped that shit. And dedication? What dedication when they arent even being taught actual Things that will help them as idols? Smh

[@XRated129]

The fact that ANY member from Stayc is a mentor is mind blowing. Stayc is a B rank idol group at best. And why Eunbi? Cause she she got praise for her body from the Water Bomb festival? That's like having one of the Le sserafim members as a mentor, doesn't make sense

[@blackphoenix_02]

Sun Yinghao deserves so much respect! I hope everyone one remembers his name :)

[@Apquin-p8z]

I'm so disgusted he got a star because of looks wow. While the curly hair kid who received zero stars actually danced and singing wasn't bad smh...

[@tipennya]

Xenophobia - Racism, it's the same thing just with a bow on it. Yay, go Korea

[@sophieholt9962]

No they're actually very different.

[@SweetlullabyJimin]

Fun fact : Xenophobia is A fear of Strangers and Foreigners. ❤

[@damnhue5915]

ow i thought its sinophobia. sino meaning chinese

[@joeblack3623]

Lol what's fun about that? That is just simply the definition of it.

[@MoodyChavier]

Words and their meanings change over time as people evolve. In this case Xenophobia is hatred for foreigners not fear.

[@BizarreAndrogynous]

​@@MoodyChavierThey hate because they fear.

[@ninadee7407]

She's trying to avoid the r+ace+ism trigger word with YT's algorithms? Though xenophobia is both fear and dislike of foreign things and people. Fits how they looked down on the Chinese contestants. But the judge saying he expected the clearly African American biracial kid to be a better dancer is more accurately described as the r word. It's the stereotype that Black people are all good dancers.

[@sharonverdon4072]

Disgusting behaviour from the judges 🙁

[@cahyaningsih5682]

actually the selection of judges is not good enough. Yoon, Eric, Kwon eun bin, i think they are not ready to be judges yet

[@Curlyygirl-sz4jl]

@@cahyaningsih5682 to clarify :ERIC HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT EP AND HE WAS NOT EVEN IN THAT PARTICULAR MISSION SEGMENT AND HE WAS ONLY SHOWN ON THE SCREEN DEMONSTRATING THE CHOREO AND HE WAS THE ONLY JUDGE WHO CAME ON LATER IN THE SHOW THAN EP 1 AND WHEN THEY SHOWED HIS DEMO IN EP 2 AND AS SOMEONE WATCHING FOR MY PICKS HE HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL TOWARDS THE TRAINEES AND CREATED A GOOD ENVIRONMENT TO HELP THEM IMPROVE, and hui as well, so please🙏 don't speak ill of him AND THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME IS LSG,DAESUNG FOR THEIR COMMENTS towards Syo in ep 1 and what LSG did

[@HAMKA96]

​@Curlyygirl-sz4jlget lost with your idol ..

[@BhoomiHolkar]

Darari is treasure's song not winner

[@amybintadiallo7319]

This is just sad, they need to breath, what that guy said was true, they aren’t machines, I don’t like watching this survival show it makes me sick

[@mceehammer4185]

naaah at the end of the day these type of survival shows are fccking RIGGED! they already had chosen the people who will debut evn before the show starts. they are just doing this gain more viewership lmao they have been using the very same tactics way way before and its kinda toxic and tiring to watch.

[@SweatWithSoka]

Yep unfortunately

[@deanab-se5op]

At the end of the say, it's profit. Which contestants had better visuals, who could sell more, etc 🥱

[@rupa15440]

Definitely boycotting that show. I watched it, and during the auditions, they kept talking about how all the Korean members were gone from the top seats. They were so worried about it. The last dude to go to the top seats was Korean.... and many of the contestants weren't graded fairly. A lot of people gave mediocre performances but got high seats, and I just felt there was no actual judging scale. Was I watching America's Got Talent with the one judge that wanted to be comedic?

[@stellasy7130]

ya'll should try watching Universe League, it's only on episode 4 and it's a really positive show. I also love the "game" concept in it as well

[@annewint]

Just watching the first minutes of this clip makes me hate the show already

[@davidk6269]

They need Soyeon as a mentor. ; )

[@gramblingnite]

I mean let's be real they didn't like syo because of the fact he has let's say ethnic background of color / Japanese as well ( lets not avt like they dont treat Japanese and chinese idols like steo kids over there and then to be black chillllllleee... and features and that boy of the same standard in background with bland looks and choppy teeth got praised why full jorean for once

[@lunaskye621]

Wow, this just seems not only like double standards but unconscious racism. Never thought it would be so obvious. Also makes me wonder if the producers of the show made the mentors not give the other contestant at least 1 star. Korean shows are known for being racist.

[@AlexNur07]

This show needs cancelled, producers charged, contestants compensated w money & judges need their careers to go downhill. I don't care for explanations. They're unfair, harsh, rac!st & not even fit to be judges.

[@May-e1j]

i feel like only the judges should get cancelled. For a lot of trainees this is rn everything. A lot of survival shows r aready airing/ will start soon. The only survival show that didnt is planet B. Here r some survival show that started/ abt to start: Scool and Universe league. it will be very hard for them if the show gets cancelled.

[@shadowfax_87]

This is brutal, i can imagine the trauma the kids have gone thru during that challenge, the show seems like a toxic environment to be in to, with heartless and inconsiderate staffs and mentors. Please parents, pull out your kids.

[@teapage101-x3v]

Never ever will watch this abuse

[@gramblingnite]

I want to know who in the hell decided to have survival show for idols in the first place when half the idols can't keep a note nor never have a mic on

[@kukuandkookie]

The state of how this show treats its trainees did surprise me since the original Chinese version, _Idol Producer_ and _Youth With You,_ didn’t have the mistreatment issue. A lot of the mentors back then were actually praised by fans of Korean idol survival shows for being gentle and patient, and I remember one case where they gently urged a feverish trainee to rest and checked on him in his dorms (iirc it was _Idol Producer,_ with Li Ronghao). I guess it’s still culturally different though… This show is primarily shot and managed by Korean staff and mentors, and kpop itself has established itself with an infamous reputation for putting a lot of pressure on its idols, both in training them to perfection but also in the standards for appearance and behaviour. China’s industry is a little different because China’s emphasis on a culture of sincerity has bled over to the industry. And I’m not saying Korean society is inherently more shallow or cruel-Korea just has quite an intense emphasis on the hierarchy system, so authority figures have to be treated very formally and have the final say. Even here with Sun Yinghao speaking out, he is a Chinese contestant and evidently felt brave enough to challenge the mentors’ authority, which would technically be discouraged in Korean society (and he did feel the need to later apologize for it when a trainee insisted he could keep going forever). Either way, this isn’t a comment on which country or musical industry is better; just an expression of disappointment because I did actually enjoy _Idol Producer_ and _Youth With You,_ along with the bands and artists they gave us (despite their own controversies with stuff like fan waste). I’ll also be wishing these trainees the best.

[@klausetalaban8363]

Yet they wonder why no one want to be an idol anymore

[@sc0rpi0-pt2xh]

The concert comparison is kinda dumb. Is the whole point not to learn and train so that they’re able to perform for longer periods of time. They’re still learning so obviously they can’t handle as much as they would learn to carry if they were actually coached through anything

[@renxiu3564]

When it was released, I just watch almost half of episode 1, but I already know by then that the show is gonna be fcked up.. Project 7 is way more entertaining to watch, no drama, no racism no power tripping just purely a survival show.. Mentors are also wayyyy better as they hire an actual pros as mentors and not some random public figure..

[@fadilefilizoglu1525]

Actually, I wanted to boycott the show, but I wondered if it would be better for the contestants or not. That's why I'm confused. There are many talented young people who will have to say goodbye to their dreams if the competition ends. On the other hand, I cannot tolerate the injustice done to them.

[@Snow_Fox.]

The first time I watched this, I was actually sad and mad the 2 ep I started crying because I actually felt so bad for them because they didn’t have any breaks and just kept going I thought they were going to have a longer break, but as soon as I saw that timer, I thought it was gonna go up but instead it stayed and then I seen some of them starting to cry, and some of them are starting to collapse I was over here like “There’s no way they’re gonna continue?”😢

[@noralavender3798]

Syo facing racism basically makinh my blood boil and then calling him basically ugly

[@S0ULA278]

Sun Ying Hao and Yoo Gwan woo has withdraw from the show due to injury and contract difficulty with IQIYI. YGW and his company decided to withdraw because Iqiyi deny treatment and rest for YGW to the point that he had to take 3 shot before the performance to endure the pain. His fanclub has explain to organizer of the show about vote manipulation because other fanclub has caught using bot illegally but no legal action was taken. Sun ying hao post on in his social media and mention ' if i don't get respect that i deserve, than i will do something and prove to people that i deserve to be respected'. There must be something behind the scene that people don't know. Rumor said that the mentor told him that he is not suitable to be in boygroup (or to be polaris, i'm not sure) because of he is too 'feminine'. Other controversy is that some staf of the show conspire with certain Fanclub to reveal vote count before the official announcement so that FC top up massively and push ranking before finalize date. We also uncertained about the future of the trainee that make it to lineup, which company house them? Are they gonna treat them fair especially toward the foreigner in this group? SK is know for their racism and China has already boycotted KPOP. Where are they gonna go? CUBE, IST ENT, HIGH UP ENT, or maybe Daesung company? Idk

[@ng.6180]

The dance challenge was pure insanity.

[@ms.sunshine4213]

The fact that the judges are seasoned idols themselves and yet treating the trainees like this is infuriating. You know how harsh trainee life is so help them, instead they are loking for visual, ethnicity and giving them absolute hell.

[@forbg25]

There's nothing use of such survival show 🙄

[@NekoNyan]

Considering Lee Seunggi wasn't even an idol who used to sing and dance at the same time, idk how he thought his insensitive comment would even fly. I was also infuriated by what they did to Sho. His vocals are so smooth and soothing, and they gave him a 0 star. Automatically made me think they were being racist. Probably the backlash got to them as they tried to compensate by giving him 2 stars in the signal song evaluation, but it's too late. People don't forget stuff as severe as blatant racism ETA : I also watch Project 7, and the judges are way nicer there (idk about Hwi tho since he also appeared there in the first part)

[@Yerinniewasso]

Eric was the only judge who acted like an actual human being

[@Curlyygirl-sz4jl]

@@Yerinniewasso and Hui as well

[@marie-chr6126]

Those judges had a personal issue with the show and the super young trainees full of idealism - What they did is really shameful - they acted like asocial beings - they showed their aggressive behaviors, their abuse of power and their authority as well the level they have now reached over those young scholars . They forgot that we all began little by little and increase our works in our fields to get experts or masters - no master is from birth a master. They are not humble as humility left them

[@hazel_lavender10]

This is the worst survival show ever in kpop industry.

[@AlyCat-rc6fr]

I have personally been voting for Syo everyday!! He deserves a chance and has such potential.

[@Curlyygirl-sz4jl]

@@AlyCat-rc6fr ikr

[@oogabooga5510]

SAME

[@soshinae]

Now, I compared this to scool. The judges use words very differently.

[@ello4347]

I get the argument about stamina but the selectipn process makes no sense. They should have done one level at a time then at the very least and wont the judges have immediately picled the contestants that alreadry drew their attentiom first, turning the remaining contestants into more and more desperate but also more humiliated as time went by. The fact that the kids that didnt get picked had to just keep dancing with their hope dwindling. Theres definitely something sick about this. Also, the way a pretty face gets pretty priviledge. Thats a product of the kpop fans and those that call themselves fans but attack imperfect idols for visual imperfections. At this point its ' who cares if you can sing or dance, atleast we wont have to defend you against the public'.

[@rhienjloves4864]

That's why I didn't watch it again after ep.1....and for the first time I hates all the mentors from this survival show..

[@Curlyygirl-sz4jl]

@@rhienjloves4864 some of the mentors had nothing to do with this ep tho it's just most of them like for instamce Hui ad Eric had nothing to do even tho hui was in this ep and segment but eric was not even present during that segment

[@monmon.18]

UNIVERSE LEAGUE is much more better than this survival show our diva woongki is one of the contestant there.

[@tfwdey]

Has the show even aired yet? 😭

[@monmon.18]

@@tfwdey naur but i can tell UL is mich more better compare to SB

[@monmon.18]

@@tfwdey it will aired this nov.

[@monnysnow3099]

Good reminder why i dont watch these kind of shows, too much abuse, cruel, pain etc.

[@TheOtherSideOfAlice]

I keep seeing this in every work aspect of Korea. If your at the top you get a power trip and just bully everyone benieth you cause your high up ORjust simple older and that seems to be incredibly toxic

[@eyvyy]

I WANT THIS SHOW TO CANCEL BUT AT THE SAME TIME THIS IS THEIR CHANCE TO BE AN IDOL. ESPECIALLY LEE HANGYUL. I'M SURE HE WOULD DEBUT THIS TIME. BUT SEEMS LIKE A DEJA VU FROM X1 😭

[@mamamoommm]

LIKE THIS IS THE WORST WORST SURVIVAL SHOW LIKE I JUST HATE THE WAY THEY HAVE THE DOUBLE STANDARTS AND THE JUDGES ARE REALLY MEAN LIKE REALLY REALLY MEAN.

[@heedeugie963]

So proud of Sun Yinghao for speaking up and trainees crying broke my heart

[@shineetalebi2577]

After seeing the first minutes of this video I wanted to go and watched the show but when I watched till the end I realy couldn’t force myself to watch such a disgusting show.

[@Sansleftdimple]

The Syo incident INFURIATES me. It is so so unfair and just pure favoritism

[@sumi_btsarmy_forever7166]

This survival show is the worst ever....i was crying and heartbroken at the same time while watching video aand i become fearful thinking only how they felt while they are going through and the friends were also anxious in live ...i can't imagine it...this show must be cancelled.... I absolutely agree with it.. The worst judges ever.... I bet that judgess who are sitting to judge them also never done like that and also not able to do that shit... If they dare to do..then only the have rights make them to do like tht...

[@Zoidielicious]

I tried to watch this show but after what happened and what LSG said, I dropped it. That's was straight up abuse, not training. Imagine dancing so hard, you almost fainted but got eliminated? Brutality.

[@fizwizbizshowbiz]

call it as it is. it's racism. those judges are racist and this whole show is built on it. i will be rooting for syo!

[@berdyne]

giving someone a star based off looks alone is so unfair to the other trainees. it pushes the idea that looks matter more than talent in kpop

[@Enhui-m6h]

I feel so sad for the trainees, dancing multiple times with only like 30 secs break can’t give u that much of recovery back cmon they are just trainees they aren’t idol yet so not too harsh on them man like what is this show all about

[@fonzymae]

One word: INHUMANE. This show deserves to be cancelled.

[@littleglitter9373]

This is just a torture program. I don't hv anymore program to compare cause I only watch SCOOL. But from this clip, I was shocked of the tremendous treatment towards the trainees. SCOOL is a much more better program. The trainees are trained well and improved every episode. The judges recognizes each trainees improvement and potentials. Even one of the judges said something like "Visuals doesn't last long in this industry, but the talents are." The challenges also pushes them to be a better idol each time 👍🏻

[@lupompidou9550]

I really want to support the trainees, there are lots of talented guys, I try to leave them some kind words under videos, but I can't help feeling heartbroken to how the whole show and its promotion is managed. Btw that challenge could have been done in so many other ways... and Yinghao was probably forced to publicly apologise. Also, I watched both whole 2 episodes and I can clearly tell it's biased. So, so sad...

[@Qillerose]

Is this something new? Cause if I remember correctly, this happens in most survival shows. They disguise racism and discrimanation as criticism and looks gets you far. In fact, you can have literally 0 talent and debut with them saying you have 'charm' and 'potential'. In essence, survival shows never was and never will be fair.

[@LawranTrevillyan]

Its amazingly sad how at this point in time at just TWO Episodes in i cant wait to see the movie/show ratings of upcoming dramas/movies on the actors ends or even the Black Oceans and no applauding that is gonna happen from the idols upcoming concerts just cause of these grown adults actions toward these youths just trying to make their way. Like if i had the money to go to a StayC concert, you bet your ass id start a boycott for the crowd NOT to clap and cheer or even to scream "We shouldn't applaud in support cause its childish". Schedules/Concerts/Shows or Training... you applaud people out of respect for the hardwork they do... why would you expect any praise from anyone after treating another human being like that and EVEN WORSE a group of young apprising artists/idols. Double standards are wrong, Harsh and Cruel statements are WRONG!!! Using gaslighting, mental diversion/manipulation or making someone to feel they have done wrong by speaking out IS WRONG!!! That is not teaching them hard work or how to be determined, its straight up cruel and inhumane. They are human beings, not soulless machines that work the way you want at the push of a button JUST cause you say to. I get wanting to test their metal and what they can do, but there were SO MANY other ways to do it without mentally hurting them or potentially crushing them from even wanting to try with false statements of "How is should be" or "this is what is expected" when its REALLY NOT. Scripted or not... this show is everything that is wrong with todays world, its uncomfortable and cruel cause there are judges there that have faced situations in the past with companies that HAVE DONE THE SAME things to them and they are willing to do it to another person just cause a producer wrote it down on a piece of paper for MORE views and ratings. They do deserve the backlash [Death threats are pushing it just a bit to far though cause that is just being extreme] but yeah they deserve to be called out for sitting there and doing nothing to fix the problem BEFORE it became one. This is not judging or mentoring and it makes me sick that they are even called Mentors when they ARENT. They are Bullies thanks to the greed of producers and staff pushing the narrative to be CRUEL instead of just using PROPER judging skills to evaluate someone's performance. NO i am not sorry to post this or being this cruel about it cause again WHETHER SCRIPTED OR NOT, they did not take the ball in their own court to be sensible and respectful to humans just trying their best. They were cruel, rude, inhumane and nasty simply cause a piece of paper said to be [IF that was how it even happened, cause if they did so without the script THAT is even worse and i even more so don't feel sorry for my comment AT ALL] So take it as this, this is my FULL opinion on the matter and yea it wont change. I wouldn't give the show even half of one star, i stand with Sun Ying Hao for being brave enough to speak out and Ivan for pushing even though he was having a hard time and after Episode 2, I literally couldn't stomach anymore of this trash show even if they did correct their mistakes or change how it is ran. Like Bruh shows like this SHOWN exist Period

[@serenarivet6534]

I had so much respect at one point for Lee Seung Gi but not anymore. HE has told a trainee who was on boy's planet (who had lacked skill then) not to come just to show off his looks. but I thought he had improved so much more than when I saw him a year ago (Lee da Eul). Then continues to fight to give another contestant (who clearly lacked in all aspect of singing and dancing) a one store and actually argued with the judges to give him a one star simply for his looks.

[@kidf2357]

Well during the signal song mission, I’m pretty sure they were only dancing like a part of the song not the full song, but still this show is evil for doing that to the trainees

[@hoiminneilhouvum9890]

They're too much... Even if they say that it is a survival show

[@eylulcalisir7332]

This is straight up torture in every way. Mentally and physically and they have those young people's both health and future in their hands. And the industry has the audicity to call THIS a SHOW?! 🤮

[@divakooky]

I would to see Lee Seung Gi show his dedication as a judge, guider whatever, by dancing for the same amount and with less breaks. Dont just talk the talk.

[@Seasonal-Kpopper]

Lee Seung gi was a total disappointment. Was a fan of him before but after this not anymore. That dude is so addicted to visuals and the way he said that it is common for idol to go through this wrecked me up. I mean there has to be a proper way of evaluating idols..this was next level brutality. Ying Hao has my respect. Gonna support this guy if he debut. What a gem.

[@Ann3v]

The comment at 4:56 is so accurate. None of these judges are prominent enough in the industry to be giving advice on how to become an idol. Daesung was one of the BigBang members who never stood out much and primarily promoted solo in Japan. Lee Seung-gi is better known as an actor than an idol. Eunbi has gained attention mainly from water bomb festivals, and many people can hardly name one of her songs. After Boys Planet, Hui still hasn't achieved significant success as a solo artist, but I at least expected him to support these trainees, considering this is a survival show and he's experienced it himself. Not gonna lie, I don't hear much about The Boyz or Eric as idols in this industry. There are many rookie groups currently much more popular. Also, since StayC's debut, Sieun has been the most popular member of the group. So, I don't even hear a lot about Yoon. In my opinion, these are a bunch of unqualified individuals offering criticism rather than constructive critiques. As a judge, you’re also supposed to be a mentor to these trainees. You should be the person who sees the best in them when no one else does, but instead, you crush their confidence and push them to physical and mental exhaustion, and even to the point of hospitalization.

[@heedeugie963]

Yinghao was already selected but he still decided to speak up for the other trainees but got gaslighted into thinking that he was wrong to speak up

[@jojojo3539]

Basically, Talent is just secondary the most important thing is visual. This is the difference between an Idol and a Singer 😢