The WORST Lightsaber Form By FAR - Star Wars Explained

[@cenotemirror]

You leave out the biggest and most treacherous weakness of Niman... its heavy reliance on interweaving Force attacks with bladework. On paper this was devastating, and in the practice salle duelists made excellent use of it, making the form appear to be a strong pick for a Jedi more focused on Force use than lightsaber combat. But the hidden trap here is that for a Jedi, the Force requires a calm mind and controlled emotions. It was easy to muster this state in a practice match in the serene Jedi Temple, quite another thing to do so on a battlefield surrounded by explosions and dead and dying friends. Thus, at the moment it was most needed, Niman initiates often discovered their ability to use vital parts of the form was significantly less than what they were able to do in practice duels, leading to their deaths. Ironically, for a form often picked because it was considered an easy form for non-duelists, Niman was only suitable for experienced and powerful Jedi with battlefield experience. It wasn't a weak form by any means, but it was a dangerous one to use if you lacked the experience and control to do so properly.

[@merkarion7883]

It is much more than simply telekinetic attacks. All Lightsaber Forms are using the Force in one way or another. Form III for precocnition for Defense Form IV to enhance the Acrobatic Manouvers and Attacks Form V Djem So to further enhance the devastating Power Attacks Also all Lightsaber forms are usind the Force to enhance the Speed of the user Form VI unites all of it because in Niman you have force enhanced acrobatic Manouvers, force enhanced Powerattacks and force precognition enhanced Defense...all enhanced in Speed through the Force. Add to it Telekinetic Attacks. In a way it is no wonder why Jedi´s that are extremely powerful in the Force choose this Form (Exar Kun and Revan)

[@lorenzor7993]

Siths like Vader and Maul use fear to imbalance jedi’s. Niman practioners would get smoked. They need constant focus to use force abilities. Even someone like grievous would use hyper aggression and speed to smoke form VI users.

[@kinghoenn3478]

Form 6 is not weak it is just plagued by a lot of terrible fighters. Because it's so easy to learn to the basics most of the weaker members flocked to it as a poor substitute for actual combat training and never bother even trying to master the form. When you take a true warrior you end up with those like Exaar Kun who was an absolute monster in combat.

[@FFVogter.-em6zz]

Easiest to learn, hard to master.

[@neonthunder3261]

Niman skill ceiling goes nuts. There’s a lot of great Niman duelists idk why anyone would call it weak

[@karlrovey]

Easy to learn, but takes at least 10 years of intense study to master.

[@klaykid117]

Because it relies so heavy on mixing in force attacks. You have to actually be a good Jedi/ sith not just someone who knows how to duel with a sword. Which is probably why dooku was such an effective duelist. He knew how to actually sword fight without the force, but was also an incredibly powerful force user making him the best of both worlds

[@kinghoenn3478]

@@klaykid117 Dooku's main style was one that focused primarily on lightsaber dueling at the expense of having almost no defense against blasters, mobs, and no power attacks. Also at the end Dooku had a very high reliance on the force just to make his body keep moving due to his age. Yoda had the same issue. With age you have to pull more and more from the force just to keep up like you did when you were younger.

[@nategraham6946]

Common misconception with JarKai and Niman. One doesn’t need to study Niman to learn JarKai. But that aside. If by weakest you mean least advantage, I would agree. But it is this very moderate and adaptable aspect that makes it, in my mind, the best.

[@ZoeMalDoran]

I wonder when "To learn Jar'Kai you must first learn Niman" first came about. The only time I remember it being a hard and fast rule was the Jedi Knight Prestige Class's Lightsabre Forms Talent tree in the Saga Edition d20 Star Wars RPG - the Niman Talent was a pre-requisite for the Jar'Kai one, but there was nothing stopping you wielding two lightsabres, i.e. practicing Jar'Kai, from long before you were high enough level to acquire said Talents

[@GameNabber]

The notion of Niman being weak goes out the window once you consider Battle Masters like Sin Dralig or Exar Kun, to which turned Form 6 into the MMA of Saber forms

[@Timber_wolf85]

If Master Sindralig was the battle Master and held all the forms to their highest degrees you'd think Anakin would have had a harder time dueling him.

[@jsbcody]

Niman is WHAT you put into it. A deep study of the concepts beyond the basics make it a very adaptable form. A shallow study ends up being a shallow grave for a student. Doing a deeper dive, drilling down to learn the deeper aspects of the forms that make up Niman makes a very formidable warrior. It is easy to learn, difficult to master.

[@Psycho-go5yr]

Honestly, I don't think realistically speaking, Niman would be the worst form. I'm a second degree black belt in Taekwondo, and while I've never trained with a sword, I have learned to wield single sticks, double sticks, nun chuku, the staff, and kamas. In my experience as a martial artist, simple, utilitarian attacks and movements are by far the best. They allow you to conserve energy and strike extremely hard and quickly when you need to. I can hit far far harder and quicker with the simplistic and more natural attacks then I could with fancier strikes. Not only that but I open myself up much less to counter attacks. The more complex moves can easily disrupt your balance and leave you in awkward positions that make it difficult to react. In my personal opinion Niman would easily be one of the best forms, if not the best outright, once mastered.

[@Troy211]

Anyone who mastered niman ended up being a devastating duelist. But the problem is many studied it but few ever mastered it.

[@neonthunder3261]

Exar Kun anyone?

[@michaelconner9208]

It's not the weakest per se, Niman just has a low skill floor and a high skill ceiling.

[@jamest1242r]

one of my favorite scenes you just shown was the scene where Obi-Wan tried to bait Maul to attack by jumping at him to get him to leave himself open for Qui-Gon's attack and he didn't go for it. Qui-Gon attacked and he parried it.

[@merkarion7883]

As said before and I say it again...Niman is not a bad Form...the Jedi that thought it would be an easy Form so they could concentrate on different thinks are the Reason that is has a bad Reputation !!! On the other Side the Jedi in the Prequel Era are just a Shadow of what Jedi in earlier Era were. I think Niman needs a good base at all other Forms (even Makashi to know how to counter it) and a Jedi that is able to use the flexibility and the Force to the highest Potential. PS: Many say Niman is Bad for open Battlefields....I just say that Revan was a Niman User and used this Form on the Battlefields against the Mandalorians...and i think Mandalorians are more Dangerous that Battledroids 😉 But as said before that were different Times... PPS: It is said that Darth Malak used Makashi as a base for his Lightsaber (together with Juyio) and was the better Lightsaber Duellist...but Revan defeated him.

[@Kazuma11290]

Niman is the perfect style. "A Jack of all trades is a master of none, but is more often better than a master of one." - Benjamin Franklin

[@Vales55]

Ironically "Niman" being balanced between offense and defense is the ONLY form that, as described, is even remotely similar to real swordsmanship. Pure offense or pure defense would be completely useless in real life.

[@Darth_Sheepus_the_wise]

Macashi does as well

[@Vales55]

@@Darth_Sheepus_the_wise To an extent, but it apparently eschews certain types of block or parry, because it's supposed to be defensively weak in some ways.

[@Darth_Sheepus_the_wise]

@@Vales55 correct one of which being blast deflection

[@bizmasterTheSlav]

Main difference between real swordsmanship and lightsaber combat is the weight of the blade. Lightsaber blade has no weight at all, but real swords do. So a lot of lightsaber tricks simply cannot work with real blades.

[@supernerd1999]

Except that’s not really true, a purely offensive style can work by simply controlling the tempo of the fight to force your opponent into defending completely while the defensive form is a way to allow your opponent to tire themselves out and give you spaces to strike

[@LetholdusKaspyr]

If you don't study the lightsaber much, you're going to not be great with the lightsaber. Most who don't study the lightsaber much study Niman. This doesn't mean you can't accomplish great things with Niman. It just means a lot of Niman practitioners were never intending to take it that far.

[@CommanderCodyChipless]

For years I have been writing out this star wars rpg game where you can make your own character. And I struggled on how to write in form 6 and its practical mechanics in the game. I decided that if someone chooses that form, they will have access to all 5 form skill trees but can only use 50% and can never unlock the full 100% of the skill tree where the most powerful attacks are at. Btw I'm not a game developer, I am a story writer. So no I'm not making a fan game (especially since I want this game to look and play like Elden Ring - money I will never have)

[@SHMidlerPlays]

That is very impressive work man, I have actually been writing the story for a sort of game concept of my own as well so I can relate to this thought process of yours

[@CommanderCodyChipless]

@@SHMidlerPlaysshit maybe we can collab and find some developers who would want to make a cheap game and see where it goes. I'm interested to hear your project

[@SHMidlerPlays]

@@CommanderCodyChipless thanks and that would be interesting as I do find my ideas are better when collaborating with someone else. As for my project, I do got to ask a question before continuing on as you may not know what I am talking about; ever heard of an old Disney game from about 10 years ago called Epic Mickey?

[@CommanderCodyChipless]

@@SHMidlerPlays I have heard of it and saw some gameplay around when it was coming out but never played it

[@SHMidlerPlays]

The Epic Mickey series was this old game series Disney did back in the early 2010s that I personally loved and saw a lot of potential in as I love classic Disney which those games are entirely centered around. And when the series was canceled development on an Epic Mickey 3 had already begun but it didn’t get anywhere as it was canceled, but even so with everything that was revealed about that canceled game it didn’t sound like a game to end a franchise on. So I decided, out of boredom and for fun, to write my own idea for an Epic Mickey 4 that would be essentially the final game in the series. It would take place directly after the events of Epic Mickey 3 but be back in Wasteland and make use of a lot of the cut areas and content from the first game of the franchise. The idea for the story is that after defeating the Petes in Epic Mickey 3, Mickey and Oswald bring them back to Wasteland (where the first 2 games take place) and find that something bad has happened. In their absence, the thinner that had at one point disappeared and gone underground had now come back up to the surface and is threatening to destroy everything in a big thinner flood unless they do something about it. They then find that the Mad Doctor (my game’s story follows the good ending of Epic Mickey 2) and the gremlins had made use of the old thinner jug that was once on top of Mickey Junk Mountain down to the mountain’s base and rigged a giant pump machine to the jug in an effort to drain the thinner sea back into the jug and get rid of the thinner once and for all. The jug pump in this story was actually a cut area from the early stages of the first game’s development back when the game was going to be a one off title but when they decided to leave the ending open for sequels the jug pump was cut. The story then starts with you helping the doctor fix the pump to get it working again, and then shit happens

[@matthewmann8969]

One of the coolest is the Trakata style that would seem the style along with Ataru that Yoda would have ultimate mastery over with no tiers or drawers yeah.

[@Sean-ot4zq]

Form VI Niman is I believe a form that gets a bad reputation. While the form is complicated and in the films we do not see it used well on the few times it is show cased. That notion can change when one turns their attention to form VI combat specialists. However, Jedi who are from 6 combat specialists are very rare due to the complexity of Niman

[@markloganmaynard8416]

Not going to lie Niman is my favorite lightsaber form. I thoroughly enjoy the idea of using telekentic attacks along with your bladework, and feel like if more Jedi that studied Niman leaned more into making openings with there force abilities Niman users would have been much more common. I also really enjoy taking the Niman talent in Star Wars Saga just for the added effect of Pushing Slash or Draw Closer if you have said talent.

[@jaredgoodwin5306]

I very much enjoyed this breakdown of who used what why and how. Feel free to opine on how Jedi and Sith thought about combat, the force, and the galaxy at large in any given era. I read the books. I watch the movies, but you have a way of drawing out things that I’ve never noticed. For instance, the real message behind Anakin ‘finishing’ Ashoka’s training or how the Empire feared Luke. I’ve always thought of him as a hero, but you did a masterful job explaining why an Imperial soldier would likely soil his trousers having never seen a Jedi in combat. I love this channel, man! Keep it up

[@drkushajagadeesh6347]

Love how you covered Ka'sim so well!

[@LetsHavePun]

Its like learning multiple languages at the same time. You can each a oevel where you excel at all forms, but it takes longer than learning things one at a time. On the other hand Niman teaches how to switch to different forms on the fly and creatively weave them together, much harder to do if youre studying each form separately

[@lawrencecron672]

Yes. Itosu developed the Pinan forms as a compact easy to learn version of the longer and more intricate forms like a concise summary version. If you practice the advanced Kata and master the essence of the form you can easily see the advanced template inside the broken down and easy to learn form. Eg Taichi 42 form from 108.

[@babydeer442]

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[@cherrytonshawty9120]

Fricking Cin Dralig. Dude's a badass. 💯

[@Gor85]

I understand it completely. You need to learn other too. Form II,Form II,Form IV. This is example but it's more than enough. Like you said biggest masters of Niman used trickery and sorcery. That's the crucial thing. May the Force be with you too😊

[@karlrovey]

It's not that the form was terrible. Rather, it wasn't suited for that situation. Form II isn't good for deflecting blaster fire (one of the reasons Form III was developed). Form III has no offense. Form IV isn't good for fighting multiple opponents. Form V Shien is good for fighting multiple blaster wielding opponents. Form V Djem So is good for dueling. Form VI tries to be well rounded and is quite powerful in the right hands (this form was utilized by Exar Kun) but not well suited to the open battlefield.

[@grahck4391]

I enjoyed this. I hope you do one on each form.

[@Rob.Ech1987]

I'd like to see a video of an explanation of Darth Sidious and Darth Vader and if Anakin pre suit would defeat Qui Gon or Mace Windu one on one.

[@Liam1991]

I would love to see you do a video, ranking the forms from bad to best 🙂

[@iamdarthketa]

Thats pretty cool actually! I had no idea of this at all. good to know what was actually thought on this form

[@chadflanaganCFC]

A breakdown video of Juyo/Vapaad would be awesome.

[@thedeathfury3884]

Could you do a video about Force Users using Force Techniques during a Lightsaber duel? I know that Vader did this as did Starkiller.

[@IUsedToMakeMusics]

I just want it to know that you are a part of my late childhood/teen hood. Thank you for everything!

[@adroitwarrior8879]

"Grandmaster of the lightsaber" gets dogged on a holo tape while haveing 2 other people helping by anakin who just turned to the dark side.

[@BURNERT08]

i would like it if you did an analysis of all 7 forms of lightsaber combat

[@mogwiawolf4354]

Hence why i would want to be a jedi and be a master of all forms and being a battle master

[@igornebov]

"Include everything, superior in nothing" of the lightsaber combat styles.

[@Sp_acecowboy]

Just wanted to say i appreciate this channel so much ❤️💯thankyou for all the vids 🍻cheers mate

[@adamlewitt788]

I think nimon was misnamed as a form it should have been called a supplement. What i mean is that it should be used once you've decided to master one of the other forms to fill in the weekneses of that form not as a fom in and of itself.

[@jeremybrummel3254]

If Form 2 is the ultimate of 1v1 offense and Form 3 the ultimate defense, both not having the exhausting trait of Forms 4 and 5, and both not letting oneself fall into an blinded state like 7 or 1, could not a hybrid be made of the two? That would be the route I would go, though I would favor Form 1's neutral stance, and perhaps apply the movements of 4, the precision counter attacks of 5, and the force use of 6 if possible. Edit: Thinking about it, Form 1 is great against groups, right? So mastering Forms 1-3 would cover most situations, and being able to flow between the forms would be the most balanced, right? Just pick up some tricks from Forms 4-6, start every fight in the Form 1 Neutral stance, and go from there.

[@jyralnadreth4442]

Niman suits powerful Consulars whom rely on their Force Abilities more, Niman might have issues on the open battlefield - but Jedi are not supposed to be Soldiers and the Massacre at Geonosis is being scapegoated on Niman when the blame lies with sacrificing the High ground in the stadium to be in the low ground of the Arena. The Gonosians were also using weapons like Sonic Cannons which Lightsabers are useless against

[@funnature8679]

JarKai is only a fancy name of two broadswords or two lightsabers, Force-sensitive who are top-tier potency in the force, would likely prefer to use Djem so which make very skilled users, Jedi can use any form if they want to. . Niman is suitable for those who is baseline serene for thier overall emotional and mental maturity; even regardless of situation they will stay calm, it's best suited for Jedi who is ready for anything(anything a Jedi gets themselves into); they also need to be powerful if they are required to be in those situations. The number of moves and options of Niman is way more than the other forms(if it uses just the lightsaber and force powers) hence the huge requirement of training for Jedi to do it naturally. Niman as a dancing form is fun to do movement actions; the quality of someone's Form 6 Niman skill as a public dance cherography can be one, multiple or all of these quality ----> playful, gentle, elegant, fun, powerful, wonderous, silly and enigmatic, definitly filled with skill, dexterity, spontaneous and ease of mind to execute.

[@reginaldshort8486]

Obi Wan could probably be considered a Niman master. He had technical mastery of Forms 1 and 4 and more than a familiarity with Shien/Djem So through constant sparring with Anakin and complete mastery of form 3. Also he wasn’t above using force and physical strikes during duels. Each Niman user is different and with Kenobi favoring form 1 and 3 he could’ve used it and survived the fight in the arena. I think he would’ve added the footwork and precision of form 2 to surprise opponents.

[@lucassmith4524]

who does the music during the merch page stuff? also, do an episode on Hugo (Not sure that is right) Demasc, aka, Darth Plagius's alter ego.

[@lorenzor7993]

Siths like Vader and Maul use fear to imbalance jedi’s. Niman practioners would get smoked. They need constant focus to use force abilities. Even someone like grievous would use hyper aggression and speed to smoke form VI users

[@gwyndolin1536]

Still a fan of Makashi the most, just need a bit of the Soresu blaster defense.

[@ManuFortis]

So basically, the form that should only be learned AFTER learning all the other forms before it, became the go to for everyone thinking they could cheat the forms by practicing just one; and only those who ever took it the full way and modified it became truly powerful with it. The rest just become cannon fodder because they have no other form to fall back on properly when Niman isn't enough.

[@Maorawrath]

You made an error on 7:21 You're supposed to say when one is a jack of all trades, they were a master of *none.*

[@CaptainPantys]

Let's be real. The lightsaber forms are super stupid at the end of the day. Legitimate sword fighting takes all the philosophies of these forms and puts them into one action. The idea of every sword fight is to kill your opponent as quickly as possible. If you use form 3 (the dumbest form, sorry obi wan) then the chances you getting killed go up exponentially. The longer you're in the fighter the higher the risk of death. I love the fantasy element ideas, but they're just way to out there for someone who practices in real life lol. It's almost like accidental fourth wall breaking haha

[@Kira121086]

Have you done an analysis video of why Obi-Wan was able to keep up with Anakin on Mustafa, yet always lost to Count Dooku?

[@kurtpunchesthings2411]

the why is easy to explain everything Obi Wan learned about lightsaber combat came from his Master Qui Gon and who the hell do you think taught Qui Gon that exactly Dooku one of the greatest lightsaber duelists of all time a Master of Makashi Obi Wan struggled massively to keep up with Dooku and remember a much more experienced Dooku a man who had been using a lightsaber since a few decades before Obi Wan was even born this is also the problem Anikan had dueling Obi Wan yes Anikan was incredible powerful but who the hell trained him and was pretty much the perfect counter to him exactly one of the greatest defensive duelists of all time and remember in the end on Mustafar Anikan tried to end the duel by doing the same damn move Obi Wan did against Maul so Obi Wan was ready for it how did Anikan beat Dooku ? well that's also easy to explain in their final duel he's being dueled to a stalemate it's not going great then finally Anikan did it he used the dark side against Dooku Dooku was not even remotely prepared for the sheer colossal shift in power this gave Anikan it was not even dueling that Anikan won by it was sheer brute force power against an ageing Dooku

[@LooneyPoliticsTunes]

Completely agree Kun was devious with an adapted sabre and knowledge of all other forms. It was used by Jedi who focused on other things not light sabre combat. Just enough to get you out of a fight in a bar in one peace

[@adopted2860]

before i clicked on the vid i was like its defos form 6 haha

[@ZeusMasterson]

Revan used niman as well, and did it pretty well

[@CharlesMosley129]

i'd utilize Makashi as my primary Form with Soresu as my secondary Form when situations become hazardous. Soresu alone will get out of most situations with the sheer defensiveness of it. Makashi will have me outduel most opponents with stylish fatal elegance.

[@carloslacerda8888]

Worst form? Exar kun was already quite proficient in Niman before turning to the dark side and changing his weapon of choice to his double-bladed lightsaber. Masters such as him didn't need petty tricks to make themselves powerful. They were powerful because they knew what they were doing. Bad usage of any form would probably lead any lightsaber wielder to horrendous disasters in practice or in real combat, but seeing as form VI appeared to offer a shortcut to mastery to anyone taking a lightsaber as a weapon of choice, it would be easy to expect that an incredible amount of people could fall victim of their lack of wisdom while judging and, therefore, competence in combat

[@Matthew-Anthony]

Niman is the jack-of-all-trades lightsaber form. However, if someone fully masters the form (like Exar Kun) then the user is a master of everything. All of the strengths, but none of the weaknesses. The only form that can match the full potential of the Niman form would be Mace Windu's Vaapad style. Vaapad is designed specifically for combat against opponents who use the Dark Side, though. As a result, it is not nearly as useful against Light Side users.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Exar kun lightsaber also had lightsaber moderation which made the blade be able to change length and turn off it power, which will catch most duelist off guard

[@brokenbridge6316]

I would only study Niman if it meant I would perform Jar Kai better. Outside of that I would choose a different lightsaber form or maybe invent an all new one.

[@masaki23joe]

Niman is the ultimate form and can be the worse form. The jedi clone wars era were dumb. If most your enemies are going to blasting wielding why not be proficient in the lightsaber form that deals with that? Every jedi should be highly skilled in form 3. Consulars should have focused on form 1 and 3.

[@silverchairsg]

Well to be fair up to the point of Genosis in Episode 2 they didn't really expect any fighting.

[@kaidorade1317]

Cin Dralig was a master of all forms…yet Anakin didn’t even break a sweat against him? Why? Surely using all forms would have made the Blade Master a victor against Darth Vader?

[@drakethesnek6429]

Anakin defeated drallig with the force, not lightsaber.

[@kaidorade1317]

@@drakethesnek6429 makes sense.

[@silverchairsg]

He lacked plot armour.

[@No-b.s.]

The reason Niman is a bad jedi form is because it is based around including offensive force abilities which the jedi frequently discourage using. They handicap the form by not using force lightning, and many other abilities that benefit the form. That is why the jedi Niman users were decimated on Geonosis. Think about how much better they could have done if they used force lightning on the droids. They wouldn't have had to run into blaster fire in order to close the distance to the lightsaber because they could destroy the droids at range.

[@south3rnoracl319]

So, in other words, those who never took niman seriously as a combative form would never truly last. Form 6 seems to be a high demand, high reward approach when it comes to training and dedication. Those who don't take this serious approach to only learn the basic bare bones of it all and nothing more, it's no wonder they all died when they were on geonosis. Niman seems to be an all-in approach or nothing kind of form. It brings greatness to those who bring out what has to offer and yet suffers fools who are unwilling to truly learn the form, thus a tarnished reputation.

[@youkofox7060]

So question? If Niman is a basically a master of the first 5 forms of lightsaber combat. Would Palpatine be a master of it too? He knows all seven forms so technically wouldn't that put him up there with Exar and Kryte and the others?

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Exar kun was more skilled with the blade than papaltine

[@robertagu5533]

Dunno IF there's an overall WORST or BEST form. IF 6 was SO bad how an why would some of the BEST Saber fighters EVER from either Force order specialize in it?? Stands to reason there's no TRULY BAD forms just no users nearly as great usually as they THINK they are. Many could say the same for say Dooku's Form 2 too for example... an look at what HE did with it. Even against multiple opponents he shouldn't have a chance at all against.

[@thestanleys3657]

Exar kun hold my beer

[@joshuahogan3475]

Study and master Niman then use that as a jump off point to learn the other Lightsaber Forms.

[@TheWobbinator1]

Cin Dralig almost killed vader in the temple massacre. Underrepresented character

[@Matthew-Anthony]

If Niman is a combination of forms: 1, 3, 4, and 5, why isn't form 2, Makashi included?

[@robertbarrows6687]

As others have pointed out, Niman isn't a bad form and would be absolutely devestating in the right hands even in times of War. But the Jedi of the Prequels...they were shadows OF shadows of the Jedi who came before them. Even the Jedi of the High Republic are but novices with the Force and Lightsaber compared to the masters of old.

[@josecajigas9210]

Niman will always win Master Vs Master. Being a Master in Niman means you mastered everything, same can’t be said for other styles. Obviously is you’re a not a master just choose one that’s not Niman or you’ll get washed by everyone cuz at that point you’re doing everything mediocrely…

[@nathanhodges411]

So it’s really best to study multiple forms and switch between them like Starkiller rather than learn every single combat form for form 6

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Exar kun niman was at the highest level because he incorporated skills from tulak hord king adas and the jedi exiled also ventress best lightsaber technique was an exar kun technique, exar kun lightsaber skills were far beyond many jedi and sith lords he was virtually UnStoppable in lightsaber combat

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

Exar Kun and Revan are like WTF??? I CLAPPED almost everyone with this form. Sidenote this form kinda explains Batman both as a legendary warrior and intellectual. This form is a blank slate that exudes the user's intellect, skill, and dedication.

[@kadbenson7540]

Wait wait wait! Hes talking about famous and skilled practioners of nieman but completely and totally omits any mention whatsoever of darth sideous/emperor palpatine?? What gives??? It has to be an accident bc i know ive watched whole videos on this very channel about papa palps being a nieman master, he even used the jarkai duel wield varient on maul and savag3 opress, tho usually he just uses single blade regular nieman, he cut through council members like butter with nieman but hes skipped over sin dralig?? No offense i love dralig but c'monnnnnn, sideous would wipe his butt with sin dralig lol. Im assuming this is just an accidental brainfart on S. Waves part

[@shadowknight0979]

Didn't Darth Sidious and Revan use Form 6 also?

[@StardustMagician420]

Form 2 is know its redundant but love me some dooku content

[@Sunstar808]

A practitioner of all is a master of none.

[@deltalord6969]

This statement is true for a majority of people but for people like yoda and sidious its more like a practitioner of all is a master of all xd

[@Eglovecraft]

Hello! Do you have a discord?

[@nosaj9167]

You should make these videos in KZbin compatible with yt VR on the quest 2 just saying

[@kieranlock3070]

Shi Cho and Shien for the win

[@lukediehl1210]

Niman is the Aikido of lightsaber combat. I say this as an Aikido practitioner. It looks lazy and ineffective, and if not trained properly, it is. True masters of the style are terrifying, but exceedingly rare. For every one you have like my sensei, there are 50 fat, Hollywood frauds with ponytails.

[@martinbauzon7450]

The WORST Lightsaber Form By FAR - which is the weakest and most hated one

[@kitfo18]

I'm sorry but the battle master during order 66 was a total chump. Unless they say he was like drugged or something he was a total joke.

[@inquisitorgarza312]

All Forms could be great if one were to master to its very fiber just like Dooku did for form two or Mace Windu with form seven.

[@Idkidkidk716]

Jack of all trades master of none

[@andiralosh2173]

A fighing style suited for times of peace so... 🤔

[@edstringer1138]

Didnt Anakin steamroll Cin and his two apprentices

[@darthmemewalker2807]

Any form can be good if you know how to use it

[@starkillerab1582]

If Niman is The Worst How Come Darth Sidious Seems To Use It Along With Exar Kun, Revan and Krayt?

[@DLR1997]

Palpatine was a form seven specialist

[@starkillerab1582]

@@DLR1997 that's true but he also used form 6 and 2

[@Besieged27]

So for Niman, you would need to either learn the other forms so that Niman becomes the link to changing your combat approach, or excel at using force based attacks to utilise Niman's best advantage. Niman on its own = Geonosis

[@drakethesnek6429]

Wrong. Few who specialized in form 6 survived geonosis because few mastered it.

[@Besieged27]

@@drakethesnek6429 Exactly. My point was a Jedi could only master Niman by either also training in the other forms Niman is supposed to mitigate, or taking advantage of the easier usage of forced based attacks Niman provides to the user. The massacre of Geonosis occurred because the Niman practitioners only stuck to that singular form

[@drakethesnek6429]

@user-tx3ho6fl3s no, you're playing with semantics. Niman mitigates by giving the user several options. Not by omitting any of the previous forms. What happened on geonosis had nothing to do with niman, and everything to do with the fact that none were actually masters of the form.

[@ajbeasley2771]

Nin man is the worst form it literally tries to mix and make a swish knife type style and it sucks because it has to be used as a stepping stone or combined with other forms to actually work it was a good idea on paper but it tries to mix to much while trying to keep it to basic it would have been better to take the most difficult parts of the forms that require intense mastery and mix it with fluidity so so that you get the strengths of the forms and the ability to go back to other forms to make a custom form for each user instead of trying to make a swish arm knife form everyone can use

[@jmag4527]

Exar Kun would dog walk Count Dooku

[@thomasparque7834]

The Jedi and Sith were fools to disregard Niman they should be master all the other five forms to reach then belend it together in perfect harmany or at the least be a master of one and a near master of the other four. For the sixth form as they normally practice is only starting point not each of the others and not them as a whole. The sixth form is less of its own form and more of means of blanding two or more into one prefect it which is sadly not being encouraged much like form two wasn’t shortly after the New Sith Wars.

[@thomasparque7834]

Though if I was a Jedi or a Sith I would make my Niman version main focus as form three and still master or come close the others including the seventh.

[@chingu3910]

Wait is Revan not one of the greats who used Niman?

[@silverchairsg]

Darth Ronald Regan?

[@chingu3910]

@@silverchairsg haha I fixed it

[@Andy4kingston]

I know why they use the form of ninement.Because because they don't really care about anybody think it is work.They use it they therefore reason right😅😅

[@kingshadow8782]

Back.

[@curtdecker694]

I'm 100%,sure this video is a reuse of an older upload. I have seen this same video 3 times.

[@jaredquinney204]

Interesting

[@SHARKVADERS]

WHAT

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 392 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@jhonsauceda6024]

Form 6 focuses on blocking your opponents light saber with your face.

[@carsonyoung008]

Vaa’pod’s issues

[@drakethesnek6429]

I feel like this video is very full of misinformation. For one, while it may take 10 years to master form 6, it probably took longer to master the others. It was Palpatine's main form. Some of the strongest dark jedi specialized in niman. Also, nowhere is it stated that niman is weak against multiple opponents or opponents wielding blasters. You shouldn't just fabricate info like this. More than likely, the jedi who specialized in niman during the clone era simply weren't interested in mastering lightsaber combat.

[@DLR1997]

No it wasn't; that's Form Seven: Juyo

[@drakethesnek6429]

​@@DLR1997wrong. Palpatine used both 6 and 7, but 6 was his main.

[@johnwebb4499]

Form 1 is the weakest.

[@jeffelmer981]

Damn that makes sense