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[@crazymulatto8981]

The Force Unleashed storyline was one of the best ever. It's truly a shame it's no longer canon. 😔

[@megaman37456]

It's canon to everyone but Disney, and Disney's opinion doesn't matter considering they only put out slop.

[@crazymulatto8981]

@@megaman37456 you make a really good point. What the hell was Disney thinking when they came up with this crap and said " Oh yeah! This is Grade-A gold material right here!👌" Like what the fuck.......A kid could've come up with better material than what we got from Disney 😒

[@marchofempires7297]

@@megaman37456 I like him to but i think they made him way to powerful

[@stuartemmanuel3735]

​@@marchofempires7297if Anakin wasn't burned on Mustafa, imagine he clapped Star killer without blinking an eye.

[@TRH.KARASU]

One of my favorites but honestly Merrick is to strong for the time period. They couldn’t have him stronger than Vader

[@Supreme0757]

Galen’s raw potential reminds me of Kyp Durron. Was one of Luke’s most powerful Jedi in his new Jedi order and prior to training his raw potential was said to be in par with grand master Yoda

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Anakin solo kyp durrun kyler katarn Jaina solo Ben Skywalker all far more powerful than galen marak

[@Supreme0757]

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021Umm powerful is kinda a general term…you mean in terms of skill or raw force potential? Because it’s HIGHLY debatable. In raw potential only people here in this conversation mentioned who rival him in raw connection to the force is Kyp, anakin solo, and Ben Solo(maybe). Galen is still a freak of nature who fought against Vader so we can’t low ball him in terms of skill. Kyp has many statements about his force connection and I’m only including anakin and Ben solo due to their skywalker lineage but the others matching him in raw connection to the force ? Hell no. Unless there’s force feats I am forgetting that blows Galen’s force feats out the water. Which is there mostly likely isn’t. And no I am not talking about in game mechanics but actual feats and statements such as ripping a star destroyer, having the presence of a powerful Jedi master while just an inexperienced child, also having force potential so potent sidous himself said he could have been his successor and equal. Yes ….the more I think of it no one aside from Kyp Durron can lay claim to being just as powerful in the force with he names you mentioned. Everyone else you mentioned is irrelevant in this conversation

[@krispalermo8133]

@@Supreme0757 I started out with WEG west end games d6 dice pool system TTRPG Star Wars and moved into WotC 3e D&D/Star Wars with all of their prestige classes to stack for rapid power ups and feats. Follow with 4e Saga Edition with " Force Unleased " and my gaming shop just multiclass 3e characters up to 30th-level. I know about power gaming mini/maxing and rule lawyers that will bend and brake systems to create overpower superhero PC. Now as for character skill/power learning curves. Each system is different and with the original novel of Empire Strikes Back, many times on film how Yoda drops his head and sighs and Luke took it as a sigh of disapproval in his learning failures. From Yoda's view Luke was learn Force skill growth arcs that took months to years in his bests students over the years in the matter of days and weeks. Please check out the novel series " Coruscant Nights. " I young man in late teens untrained in the ways of the Force running on pure panic fear and Force guided instinct grabs a hand full of repulsorlift field energy to stabilize skyscrapers and throws it at Vader wreaking him. How the guys arm let alone whole body wasn't blood misted coming that close to the field was beyond shock for the two Jedi fleeing from Vader to understand.

[@bastienbauvineau562]

​@@Supreme0757 Maybe you can help me. I often see statement about Caedus/Jacen being more powerful than most of NJO (except Luke and maybe Mara Jade) but is it stated that Caedus is more or less powerful than Kyp Durron ? I can't remember and if I take only feats and stuff, I'd say Caedus is slightly above

[@Supreme0757]

@@bastienbauvineau562 it’s hard to say. Everyone connected to the skywalker bloodline has a naturally strong connection to the force but Kyp Durron is what I called a anomaly. You at times in Star Wars have characters that are born with freakish force potential purely on luck. Galen Marek, Revan, Kyp, Sidious and etc and all of these people have either normal force sensitive parents or parents who have zero connection to the force at all. Kyp Durron being a perfect example of that. Just because someone is a skywalker does not mean they automatically have more potential than everyone it’s just that it’s rich in their bloodlines and is most potent within the first generation being Luke himself who being the first son of Anakin inherently nearly all his fathers raw potential. As these family members stretch on for years it varies from person to person but if you force me to choose I’d say Kyp has at minimum just as much force potential as the skywalker(specifically after Luke). Now in terms of jacen, Kyp, and who would win I’d have to do more research on that

[@eaphantom9214]

Star wars The force Unleashed Game (PS2) ; After Darth Vader betrays him on Correlia, Starkiller has these last impactful words that says it all, just before he falls off a cliff to his supposed death ; - Without me, you'll NEVER be free -

[@SarcasmSanctioned]

That was Corellia, not Hoth.

[@eaphantom9214]

​@@SarcasmSanctioned Ah, alright 👍🏻 My original comment corrected

[@DefecTec]

Galen Marek had around 20,000 midichlorians, Palpatine had 20,000, but Anakin had double up until he was mutilated by Obi Wan

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Papaltine midchronian count is over 22,000 starkiller is over 22,000 exar kun is over 24,000 vaylin over 24,000 vitiate over 24,000 anakin solo over 50,000

[@bannerbold1076]

Where the in the world did you get those counts from no. Pretty sure that the highest anyone but Anakin had was 18,000 or 19,000 Anakin I think had 27,000 which was why he was so powerful.

[@himynameischris5357]

I find myself watching way less Star Wars Theory and way more Stupendous Wave now… there is a new GOAT in town

[@louisalexander1991]

Agreed, theory is good on getting the new out but man his opinions are rough to watch sometimes.

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

AGREED

[@darthplagueis7055]

Agreed. Theory is too focused on current issues like drama with actors/producers whereas stupendous wave has been trying to understand the great mystery and studying all its aspects. Not just the dogmatic narrow views of Disney. Stupendous Wave embraces a larger view of the force. Only through stupendous wave can we become strong enough to save the ones we care about from dying

[@MaetMen]

​@@darthplagueis7055 so stupendous wave is evil and SW theory is good?

[@darthplagueis7055]

I quoted ROTS for humor. Don't take everything so literal@@MaetMen

[@chadflanaganCFC]

I think there's something else to consider, Vader found Galen when Galen was still a child, one that was missed by the Sith because of outside circumstances maybe it was only for a few moments but I think Vader identified with Galen enough so that he decided he wasn't going to die at the hands of some flimsy Storm Troopers the fact he was unimaginably powerful in the force was a bonus and meant he wouldn't have to kill Galen himself at a later point of time.

[@bhanupriyainampudi6852]

I am pretty sure had a Midichlorian count of 40,000 as it was stated he had the potential to be double of Darth Sidious also with a portion of his potential unlocked he defeated the Ones while Luke said that only if all the Jedi dedicated their life they could only replace the Daughter while the Sith could only replace the Son while Anakin by himself could embody Balance, The Father.

[@jessemillan1385]

Galen Marek/Starkiller is a powerful character in Legends continuity. He would easily become one of the most powerful force users in the Star Wars universe. Being on-par with force users like Darth Nihilus and Revan.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

only Disney shills call it "legends" also galen marak ws much more powerful than nihiluis and revan

[@tvvistedv3nom26]

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Not necessarily as even Lucas saw the EU as an alternate universe to his own so they could still be seen as “Legends” or stories but I go by Lucas canon so Eps 1-6, tcw and the 1st TFU novel are canon

[@brokenbridge6316]

This was a nice look into a very nuanced character. More nuanced than most people think.

[@aster4jaden]

I love Galen Marek/Starkiller, I wished we'd gotten more out of his Dark Clone.

[@Gamerafighter76]

This is why your channel is awesome, Stupendous Wave; you really like to touch on the more obscure topics and scenarios of Star Wars.

[@eefboiger]

I don't think that Galen Marek, AKA Starkiller, is a bland character. In fact he's far from bland because his feats, his connection to the Force, and because he's in touch with himself. At least, in the first game. He was struggling with his own identity throughout the first game. He thought he was Vader's apprentice until he betrayed him. He then thought he was just a mole for Vader until he started growing attached to his Rebel Alliance he created. Then, when he goes to save Kota and the rest, he realizes that he was always meant to be a Jedi. At least, in the formerly canon ending.

[@robertagu5533]

My personal favorite. Imagine having Darth Vader assume the role of both your self appointed mentor an surrogate father figure.. bet holidays werent particularly fun for pre games Starkiller either. Unless he was gifted with things like his assassin droid bud, or his personal ship or something so he could be a better enforcer for Vader an arguably Sideous too faining not knowing about Galen when its debabtable Sideous mightve helped in his creation. Jedi or Sith though Vader/Anakin sure does know how to train VERY powerful and dangerous warrior Force Users. Especially, apparently, in the dual weilding Jar Kei style. Since BOTH his students would come to be extremely good masters an swords experts. Love how eventually even the Starkiller successful clones WOULD be successful an effectively, basically, reincarnated Galen Whom basically picks up where Original Starkiller left off.. Too bad in the games he proved capable of definitely kicking some Sith asses. Also, too bad Lightside Galen, either of them, didnt last, apparently, long enough to have the option of joining Luke.. think he probably would've... an been a very serious threat to the whole Empire, while seriously aiding Luke an the other heroes an rest of the Rebellion

[@LooneyPoliticsTunes]

Imagine Luke , Galen and Vader together pretty much unstoppable even for Palp

[@juny9445]

They would stomp palp low def

[@XX_Brandon]

If darth Vader knew how to essence transfer I think he would’ve try to transfer into star killer body

[@angelguardianpeace-lf6fl]

If I might say just galen being only a small boy when found by Vader no older than Luke even if unknown to Vader he was still a father. And naturally his fatherly instincts kicked in

[@brycekayski9284]

I love nerding out on here ! Thank you Stupendous Wave !!!

[@dionysisnance4204]

Darth vader was obsessed with starkiller cuz he need someone else to do badass thing with

[@Ando1428]

Facts. Palpatine only uses lightning now adays. He turned lame.

[@Jedi_With_Aesthetic]

He was so OP but fun to play as if force unleashed 3 got made imagine him going up against a Starweird colony that would be nuts he could use his lightning attacks to destroy them in legends you can only hurt them with the force

[@kyletactfultheologian]

Thank you for covering more Legends material 😊

[@somefancyshitw8338]

The best star wars story in the last 18 or 19 yrs

[@AgentBishop9000]

Makes you wonder why Vader didn't clone himself so he could get out of that suit and then create another suit to wear it like a set of armor.

[@user-yc9vv9xb8s]

the stupendous wave your channel rocks,do you believe if anakin Skywalker fulfilled the prophecy of the chosen one destined to bring balance to the force reaching his true full potential he could have would have also become the prime Jedi achieving true perfect balance in the force

[@BirkirDN]

I'm surprised you didn't mention Maul-killer on here. The Maul, Starkiller hybrid that Vader made.

[@andy2200]

Seeing some of these pics. I have to ask. Has Vader ever ask someone " You wanna know how I got these scars"

[@marshalllatta2073]

I love your channel this now one of my favorite videos you made thank you May the Force be with you

[@calvinputter203]

Your my favourite star wars youtuber❤

[@Danny___Riot]

Love the channel brotha! 🤙🏼💖

[@matthewmann8969]

Basically Sids saw Galen at full potential as his equal had he got there kinda like how Yoda saw Dooku or at least Dooku as a near equal in potential in Legends yeah.

[@michaelhealy1863]

I loved every video that you've done I don't think there's one that I dislike I was hoping you would be willing to do a starkiller base origin story cuz that came out of I've been trying to find if you did any of those and I can't find I hope you would consider doing it cuz I don't know anything about what planets it's on or anything

[@theotherguy6155]

The one thing I can't stand is the constant amount of power creep Darth Vader is the chosen one and he's literally shown up by his Apprentice which should be near impossible

[@lordofpain3476]

I think that the biggest mistake that Lord Sidious made was killing Galen , he should have knocked him him , destroyed his mind , then transferred his essence into Galens body . He would have had a young , powerful body capable of containing his essence ............ It would have given him five or six more decades to perfect immortality .

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

In some ways Galen Marek is what Anakin Skywalker could have been is was never roasted. I do hope one day Galen would make his canon debut and help fix the star wars universe.

[@sir_beatdown1015]

I think it's best they don't. Let his story end on a good note instead of being disney-fied and trash packed like they did with Boba Fett, Ahsoka, and Luke.

[@seanbirtwistle649]

someone correct me but wasn't "starkiller" Luke's original name before they settled on Skywalker?

[@kodyw2960]

I want more on the Dark Apprentice so bad. All the power of the Dark Side without the injuries and limitations of the Stalker Starkiller. The full potential of a Sith Starkiller, a Darth Starkiller, fascinates me

[@theforcedragon3781]

I See why people Enjoy starkiller so much but I also feel Rey is similar to him in the sense that she’s the light side of the coin to Palpatine. Showing how Even As a bloodline as evil As A Palpatine that doesn’t mean they can’t be good. And Ben is a reminder that just because The Skywalkers can be the hero’s they can also be the villains

[@lm4733]

💯

[@raiderax8532]

Awwww he missed having an apprentice

[@shawnpage6333]

I want to see a video of how much money Vader had

[@partypha]

Poeple saying starkiller is a power fantasy and bland character. Is like saying ray is a compelling and well written character. 😂😂😂

[@andrewhaman3329]

Can't even fight her way out of a wet paper bag. The one scene alone shows her lack in skills. Unless there's a force banish ability ha ha. Banished anything capable of hurting you ha ha.

[@stevenkennedy9903]

I always felt that Starkiller was meant to usher in a new wave of force users cause when he was a kid and found by vader, there wasn't a lot of young kids adapting to draw power from the force so in a way galen became a sort of counter balance to anakin a sort of force storm aimed at vader to keep the balance until another could be made

[@user-yc9vv9xb8s]

also the stupendous wave which of these four Duos pairs would make a true and perfect force dyad Anakin and Kenobi Anakin and Ahsoka Anakin and Padme or the chosen one and the prime Jedi if I had to guess people my money and my bet is on Anakin and Padme

[@marre607]

could you maybe make a video about what would happen if mother talzin succeeded in absorbing the force? (s6 ep9 of clone wars) I think it would be a really interesting story to make a video about because that mother talzin said that if she could absorb the power of the sphere than she would be more powerful than any sith or jedi.

[@dafaadhamrizqi8028]

I would like to believe in the force unleashed timeline galen was born to be the counter to vader in terms of force power and potential, the second son of the force to try to bring the chosen one back into the light.

[@thestanleys3657]

Have you seen the new Cal Kestis fan film by GEN1 if you enjoy the force unleashed you might enjoy it

[@user-or4hw6ip4i]

Anyone else want to see Starkiller in live action?

[@Makarosc]

I mean let's acknowledge the Elephant in the room Vader was expecting a child when he turned and to find a child of not only a jedi but one also nearly as powerful as he was I wouldn't be surprised if Vader saw Starkiller as a sort of surrogate for the child he "lost"

[@stevenyarnell8422]

If we were playing as clone of Starkiller, then wouldn’t General Kota have sensed a different Force user? The Force, I would think, would be kind of like a wavelength where the Force user and the clone would be kinda like two different people. Outwardly the same, but different on the inside. Strangely enough, Paul S. Kemp’s take on cloning process seems kinda different. Though, I kind of liked the transfer of the spirit via a tool. It saved the author’s minor mistake.

[@marciofelipejustino2563]

Starkiller é fenômenal imagina ele lutando na velha República contra os sith antigos.

[@Xehanort10]

How Vader raised Galen is similar to Palpatine with Maul.

[@blackheart-xg4nw]

KEEP DIGGING 🖤🖤

[@user-sl3si9nl6u]

To me Galen Marek was like the dark side Anakin we could’ve gotten if Anakin had retained all his limbs im not sure if Luke is the best comparison.... when compared to somebody like Starkiller with that much power and unlimited abilities i’d say Anakin but as a full fledged Sith but not conflicted as he was in ROTS. It makes sense that Vader would train Starkiller in the most brutal and harshest dark side training since he was a rare specimen who could wield the force like no other except for powerful figures like Yoda, Sidious, and Anakin/Vader himself since Vader lost his duel on Mustafar and not as powerful as he could have when he was Anakin but then came Starkiller as the new force wielding protege

[@slyonemonsema2633]

At this stage of Star Wars I feel like he can Easily fit into the current cannon even with his “OP” abilities (not gonna lie it would be sick to see Starkiller Dual wield Sabres with Lightning running through them). You could put him in as either one of the Clones that was kinda mind broken or one of the clones that wasn’t broken but a back up but in both Cases were put in Carbonite an both could go either way to tip the Balance of the force by a large margin, on the computer it has his call sign Starkiller clone #0117 Jedi hunter Jedi weapon extremely dangerous. Honestly I’d prefer an “OP” starkiller storyline over any Ray story he actually fits. Just Imagine how Acrobatic Deadpool was with an R rated movie but with starkiller with all his crazy “OP” Acrobats, Force abilities and Dual wielding sabres. omG! 🍾

[@cobeoe]

Generationally gifted does that mean starkillers really a super saiyan

[@IsmaelCiulla]

I wish that we got a glimpse of Vader’s mind on Starkiller.

[@MikefromTexas1]

Galen Marek is awesome. Completely misunderstood by the masses.

[@Ronin1071]

Galen is my favorite Star Wars character. Not because of his power. I would still like him if he was nerfed. But the idea of a Sith assassin that “falls” to the light was so much fun to play. I hate that they took him out of cannon.

[@nathanchitty6716]

Leiah cell block number on the death star In a new hope was cell block 1138

[@bryankennedy2257]

Did the emperor ever feel a disturbance in the force light or dark or was he pride happy to feel anything in the force and/or did he already know....

[@justinhammer3196]

Vader knew he wasn't kewl enough alone so he was always looking for a friend to prop him up. Basically Vader is a dog too scared to act so he needs someone else to actually bite his master. Also a bunch of uber powerful force users seem to have appeared in a span of 20 to 30 years lore wise with more showing up every new story.

[@joshuadotson6525]

We need force unleashed remasters

[@Ernie_Creates]

Make they need to remake and update the force unleashed series

[@darthshako]

Is it a coincidence that clone Galen has the same designation as Boss from Delta squad? 1138

[@thegraydirewolf9325]

I think people dismiss the power of being a parent too often. Anakin never got to fulfill his role of being a parent and i believe during his transformation from anakin to Vader, that it was a lingering sense of pride with him. I believe this also plays into his obsession with Starkiller and eventually with Luke. He was so blinded by the dark side that ofc hed gravitate towards trying to bring them over to his side when really he just wanted to fulfill the role he never was able to live out because of his brainwashing by Palps.

[@shawnchristianson324]

Who is pumped they finally released a 7 inch Starkiller figure after all these years?

[@user-sl3si9nl6u]

Starkiller was the dark side Anakin 2.0 I’d say that bcuz he comes off more like another Anakin i just don’t think Luke is the best comparison to a character like Galen Marek cuz remember it was both their attachments that became their prime motivation in the end Vader obsessed over Starkiller bcuz they had so much in common he was the reflection of what Anakin could have been at his full power

[@anthonyquinones5971]

I wish Starkiller was real too 😅

[@reyvillegasjr166]

Yes I believe a combo of everything coming into Vaders hands was too great to resist.. something Vader was going to so anyways especially if Padme had lived.if she died, Anakin would blamed Sidious which was responsible for every assassination attempt since ep. 1...✌️😁 ..yea that dudes dying soon...😎real soon!! 😃

[@funnature8679]

I thought Galen is as strong as the legends Luke in the return of the Jedi. Midiclorian count is shown, yet I think that the clone has similar strength potential as Luke at the end of episode 6.

[@fishoutofwaterrr]

before watching this through, my guess is that this is a creative manifestation of vaders inborn regret of everything, yanno? so raise this guy up in secret to ultimately be able to kill sidious? it sounds simple but thats so complex for what anakins story is, he probably doesnt even know why he wants to kill sidious using starkiller he probably thinks its just to take the throne but really its his regret, right?

[@ProdBlessings]

actually starkillers potential rivalled luke, being 22k and 22k-23k respectively

[@VerdantJedi]

Why didn't Vader just clone himself lol. Since his midichlorian count is off the charts.

[@hgtrftfr]

Now here is the real question, who is stronger? Galen or Starkiller(clone)

[@chriskibodeaux9818]

He wasn’t!

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Perhaps had Starkiller and Vader actually put the effort to kill the Emperor they might have succeeded in defeating him.

[@floriansteger8131]

Of course it's clone 1138. Had it been Pixar, that made the game, it would have been clone A113.

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 399 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@Marcusstar-kd6zn]

Blend and power fantasy My ass now a days we wish we had star killer style character better than what we have specially to day star wars

[@Eric6761]

Darth needed someone to start a new game franchise because had he been chosen the game wouldn't be that interesting

[@anlm5877]

Hola

[@martinbauzon7450]

Why Darth Vader Became OBSESSED With Training Starkiller - because we wanted to

[@SHARKVADERS]

WHAT

[@StefanWinchester]

Star killers force potential is not even close to anakins or Luke's

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

It's similar to luke Skywalker because starkiller was base on a sith version of luke Skywalker

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@alsimmonshellspawn6021In Legends Luke And Leia had a potential at the same tier as Anakin/Vader before the injuries while Starkiller had the same potency as The Emperor yeah.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

@matthewmann8969 yes but starkiller use the force in a far more destructive and violent way than vader

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@alsimmonshellspawn6021True he uses his powers too broadly and is overall less refined and honed in his skillsets compared to Suited Anakin/Vader and Lord Sids he did so well against Vader because of force lightning and because he knew how his former Master fought that and plus a part of Ani/Vad felt slightly conflicted yeah.

[@banthatracks_gaffisticks]

THX 1138 🥚

[@Gor85]

This is very interesting story. Really great! I think it can be canon. It should be.Galen appeared first then Luke. Luke from the light side and his son. May the Force be with you too😊

[@beaucarroll17]

this shouldnt work, as by this point, Kamino was destroyed?

[@stephenballard3549]

Why didn't he just clone himself?

[@timz4217]

If you can clone jedi why aren't there a trillion vaders

[@abemontes2518]

This is how powerful characters should be portrayed. All this talk about Anakin being powerful is nonsense, Anakin was not powerful enough even when he was complete. Galen was a Kratos-like character but unfortunately these characters are made to be destroyed one way or another. The way he displayed that raw power is how powerful characters should be.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Characters who were far more powerful knowledge skilled and had more raw force potential than galen marak, exar kun, ulic qel droma, marka ragnos tulak hord ajunta pall Karnes murr, naga sadow freedon nadd, kyp durrun kyler katarn, anakin solo Jaina solo jacen solo krueller.

[@MichaelWade12]

First view. Woo hoo. Do I win?

[@747jackt]

There could be such a good story to tell in the up coming films with Ahsoka & Thrawn. Starkiller, could the rival to Ahsoka, and tell the story between Anakins light side apprentice and Vader dark side slave.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Nah Disney will ruin starkiller like they ruined thrawn

[@747jackt]

They haven’t ruined him yet. There’s still hope. @@alsimmonshellspawn6021

[@xxarcangelxx143]

Dont care what Disney says, starkiller is canon and so is a lot of the older lore that they threw out. Faux edgy bleeding crystals will never be my canon.

[@DropXplode]

What else HES JUST SO STINKING OP

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

He is not that powerful y'all just casual

[@DropXplode]

casually OP@@alsimmonshellspawn6021

[@Kazuma11290]

First of all, there's nothing wrong with a power fantasy. All fiction, in any form, is a power fantasy. Second, If you think Galen is bland then you think all of Star Wars is bland, because Galen alone encompasses the whole story by embodying Vader, Luke, the clones & Ahsoka all at once. Finally, canon is a meaningless badge. Hollow approval of an overbearing artist to subservient fools. Choose for yourself what is worthwhile.

[@silverchairsg]

Quite tired of powerful protagonists. I wanna see a Jedi who is weak in the Force who uses their cunning, skills etc to defeat opponents much stronger in the Force than them! (Other than Obi-Wan.)

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

There's alot of weak main characters I'm star wars you just don't do enough research

[@hillsmitty]

HE NOT A CLONE