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[@jakedangerv2436]

As someone who was about to attend and help the festival run, I can tell you man, it was a shitshow from the jump

[@jadecasssie]

Damn shame. Greed and poor planning and wayyyyyy too much drama

[@jadecasssie]

@Yahawashi_Is_The_Messiah the way the booking was handled from what I understand (as in somehow coming up with hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay big name bands), to the bombardment of group chats combined with poor communication, changed in power, the fact that the fest was put together in less than a year, plus a few small details, I think the fest was a cool idea and had the potential to be an amazing experience but unfortunately it didn't turn out that way

[@wrighteousj]

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[@RartedHandle]

this shit happened in my hometown 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@jadecasssie]

People literally quit their jobs to help with this festival. Bands bought THOUSANDS of dollars worth of merch for this festival and they didn't even get to use it. On the brightside the scene banded together and had the Kentucky DROP-OUT Fest (made up of alot of the local and national bands that dropped the fest) instead and from what I heard it was phenomenal

[@TheEpicLinkFreeman]

It was. I showed up to see Convictions play, and maybe a band or two before them, but they were running behind schedule (10 mins per sound check isn't enough who knew) so I ended up seeing a couple extra bands that I didn't know than I had expected and they were sick! Cohen, My Own Will, and Filth were the 3 that I saw and they were awesome. Convictions was great as expected, too.

[@jadecasssie]

@@TheEpicLinkFreeman I'm glad you got to go!!

[@Unholybassist66]

I was also there at the drop out fest and it was an amazing day with friends and bands. A great thing for the local scene. Plus..... ROSE FUNERAL!!!!!

[@BootsThaRareBirb]

I hope that becomes an annual event, Kentucky's metal scene is so small and it's depressing

[@BootsThaRareBirb]

@@TheEpicLinkFreeman Thanks for all that info! To be fair, I'm not super familiar with Louisville outside of the festival scene, but I'm more than happy to be proven wrong

[@hunterwalleymusic]

was really looking forward to the slaughter to prevail show at the “3rd tree from the left of gas pump 5” stage

[@theyurireviewer]

Yo Gas Station Alex Terrible breakdowns would be sick as fuck ngl

[@metalmanCOTW]

That just sounds like a music video set for STP

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

I live there and am very informed to what happened with this event. The fest was cancelled because 13 women came forward against that band member who was also an investor of the event. One of the victims was a vocalist for a local band and one reason they all backed out. The other was over the ticket sales but, the locals weren’t obligated to sell tickets, it was 2 weeks before the event that the promoter made threats to kick them over ticket sales. Even made threats to get local band members fired from their jobs. The promoter and the accused band member are also friends and defended one another. This fueled the local community even more. Locals created a Facebook group to discuss the event issues and accusations. The venue has a huge open field. But, there is no parking. The promoter cancelled the event saying the venue backed out over bomb threats. However, people called and went to the venue and talked to the owners and they had no clue what anyone was talking about. Said the promoter backed out. The promoter then uncancelled the event with an attempt to move it Ohio. But by then the rp accusations were to much to ignore and the local bands standing together as one became too much of an impact to continue the event. The promoter was finally forced to cancel and refund everyone’s money. Because, well, once people read about all the drama and accusations, about how local bands were treated, they demanded their money back. The promoter is from NY. He’s been run out of Rochester over similar issues.

[@midwestmind691]

I almost bought tickets for me and my kids to go, BSB backed out and posted about the local ticket thing. So there went 3 tickets because of that local band alone, then started to hear about the rest of the mess. So glad I didn't pull the trigger sooner.

[@pastelgothine420]

That's crazy, especially bc I've been living in Kentucky for my entire life and the biggest festival I can think of is louder than life

[@KateyGrey]

As a musician from Cincinnati, this was an actual dumpster fire. I got to watch in real-time as it all fell apart. It just got more and more chaotic and oh my lanta it is far more shady and messed up than what even was on the surface.

[@patrickcummings3734]

What band? I'm a cincy boy so if I haven't already seen you at legends I'll make sure I stop by!

[@KateyGrey]

@@patrickcummings3734 Fatal Concept, just played Legends on Sunday on a far better metal fest. 🤘

[@patrickcummings3734]

@@KateyGrey Q-A-PALOOZA FOR LIFE!! I'll have to throw yall a follow and check you out next time you play

[@NexusLives]

@@KateyGrey My Buddy, Dan (Shocker) played there Saturday. Legends is a nice place. I like it better than Westside venue.

[@JoshStLouis314]

*than. You're excused by the grammar police, due to being from Ohio.

[@danielgrant1470]

So My band was supposed to play a smaller hardcore fest the same weekend as this, and the promoter of the hardcore fest bailed on it to “help out” with the irate fest. Dude didn’t tell ANY of the bands he booked for the hardcore fest, and us smaller bands who are trying to book around this fest ended up fucked.

[@rebeccamcguire2798]

What a way to let to local talent down man

[@rebeccamcguire2798]

What’s your bands name do you have a KZbin or any way ppl can hear your tunes ???

[@danielgrant1470]

@@rebeccamcguire2798 my bands name is pure bliss, should be able to find it on all streaming platforms

[@rebeccamcguire2798]

@@danielgrant1470 cool Sorry your band got screwed over but all this my teenage child could have issues a better apology to everyone involved then what I saw nik review I even said this during the stream of it too bring a bad laughter to local talent when ppl do this junk

[@rebeccamcguire2798]

@@danielgrant1470 hope u guys get some shows soon man

[@milner3013]

BROOO we’ve been dealing with this clown in Syracuse and Rochester for over a year now it’s crazy seeing this here 😂

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

Yup, same guy.

[@BladePaladin]

The thought of the noise complaints coming from the suburbs on the other side of the trees because "Scumfuck" is going hard af on stage on Saturday night still makes me giggle. I look forward to more information coming out about this absolutely dumpster fire, though I feel terrible for the bands who are out money on this.

[@Sarth1s]

I used to book small time shows for some local bands and decided to do a little "festival" with a whole bunch of them and holy hell did I find out who was working with me that had their head screwed on and who didn't. One guy was telling me he had talked to the bands, had only contacted one, one of the women told me she had secured a food vendor, who turned out to be her uncle making a pot of fucking chili... luckily I caught all of that six months out and was able to have a smooth, small festival, but holy hell, a festival from scratch is a whole lot of work and planning. Definitely a lot more than just finding a venue with open slots in their schedule.

[@cyrilfiggis7978]

I bet it was some good chili though

[@SiriusBigbadda]

Luckily there are a lot of slots open at the "forest next to gas station" venue.

[@Nightwishmaster]

"What the FUCK IS UP MARATHON GAS STATION?!?"

[@joshfloyd]

Can we get a real promoter to legitimately make this festival happen? That would have been huge!!

[@lasagnasux4934]

They kind of did with the Kentucky Drop Out festival

[@TylerGibsonMusic]

@@lasagnasux4934 Not really. I went to Drop Out Fest and it was about 13 hours long. Not nearly as many bands were there and were mostly local bands

[@bundan9354]

Pit at pump number 3 absolutely got me 😂

[@svendugandzija9716]

As a member of a band that was asked to play after bands started dropping out we dodged a bullet like Neo from the Matrix when we declined. Thank God lol

[@davidcwk01]

I always feel like i’ve done something wrong when i’m watching these disasters.

[@thomaswalsh9853]

This is literally the metal version of Fyre Festival 😂

[@Gran_Aut1sm0]

It was a 1.4 acre lot LMAO. Luckily our local scenes came together with multiple shows and killed it.

[@MrLittleBigMan97]

Our scene came together and put on a great one day fest with a lot of the locals to make up for this shitshow ending. It was an awesome time. Louisville Scene rolls deep.

[@dakat5131]

"You're not selling enough tickets" The venue that has to hold the high number of people who bought tickets:

[@marcwieder669]

it's kinda like the core- fyre fest LOL but it's a shame that there are more and more and more cashgrabbers in the scene

[@sidina1085]

Bro 150$ for the weekend? 💀 Dang Wacken is 300€ for 4 days including camping and it's one of the biggest festivals

[@Dr.Spatula]

Chicago Open Air was charging $250 for 2 days but that shit had 40 performances and an insane lineup

[@alany2669]

When We Were Young is $250 plus fees ( $330) for one day.....

[@SaintDorado]

Still not sure if this was a scam or if the "promoter" actually thought that this could work out. Like ... where do bands stay, where do people park or sleep? There is no way this was gonna happen.

[@EddieTHead2266]

The fact many bands weren't aware they were booked is a huge tell.

[@KentuckyTech]

5:03 ah, yes. Louisville. The new Louisiana.

[@LeperMessiah2]

Of course they put a lot of random band names in there because when they don't confirm they have an excuse to cancel the event. Cash straight in the arrangers pocket. The down-payment of course gets returned when it's canceled

[@TheMuckrakersli]

Being in a band who created a fest(Munoz Stock) 10 years ago, we do take notice of stories like these to make things as professional as possible. I appreciate you making this video because I saw all of this unraveling on Facebook and I had no idea what was going on. Friends with a good amount of the people who were gonna play and Johnny of Rivers Of Nihil is one of my sisters' exes, so this naturally popped up.

[@simsonchin]

I've lived in Kentucky my whole life, and it hurts me that the only reputable festivals are Louder than Life and LDB Fest. And the heaviest bands we see at LTL would be something like Gojira. I'd love it if we got a heavier festival or just a more credible and respected one. Louder than life is a pretty big festival now though so I can't complain too much.

[@jacee8094]

I mean Suicide Silence and meshuggah are playing. We’re not heavier, but my band is playing and we’re like a groove metal bullet for my valentine, and there’s another band playing a side stage with us this year called Thirst who is pummeling, Drop G, borderline deathcore chugginess. If you want heavy, it’s all condensed to Friday. Slipknot and LOG headline, Meshuggah, SS, Mastodon, In Flames, several heavy bands on the side stage including us, Orbit Culture, Crown the Empire, it’s all on Friday. There’s a few heavy bands on Thursday and Saturday, but if you get a single day ticket for Friday, it’s pretty loaded. And they actually paid us smaller bands. Nothing massive, but enough to cover expenses getting there from Pennsylvania and are really good to us. If you want a day that isn’t all core, but has plenty of heavy bands and is done well, a single day pass to Friday for LTL is pretty sick.

[@simsonchin]

@@jacee8094 I completely forgot that suicide silence and meshuggah were gonna be there. I'm going both Friday and Saturday, can I ask what the name of your band is?

[@jacee8094]

@@simsonchin oh shoot, that’s awesome. Yeah man, They can get some wicked bands, I was surprised they had knocked loose and turnstile and stuff last year. Friday is pretty awesome. And we’re called Befell, stop by if you can! We’re on the Space Zebra stage, we’re ready to bring it down.

[@dennistrusty5145]

LTL think back to 2016 had A7X, Slayer, Pierce the Veil, Motionless,Avatar, etc. one day then next day Slipknot, Disturbed, Korn, Ghost, Alter Bridge, Parkway Drive,Seven Dust, Trivium. I know they arent in the same category but still heavy. Then last year, Metallica twice, Korn, Nine Inch Nails, MGK, Snoop Dogg, I know they had other heavier rock bands. Let me say Snoop Dogg was probably like why the hell am I here, and the rap fans were probably thinking the same thing.

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

LDB Fest also in Louisville.

[@CarrionCurse]

Man I hope people get their refunds. Putting a big fest together like this is not a easy feat. But there is a proper way to go about organizing one of these.

[@tedtosterone6977]

I bought my ticket for 75 dollars after tax and service fee, was refunded about 64 dollars the other day for it, not even worth the hassle

[@mikeromano3001]

I live in Kentucky. I had no clue about this show.

[@jorger002]

I’m binge watching your videos because you are clearly awesome. 🤘🏻 I wish I was your neighbor to just go kick it with you.

[@jasonwaddle6573]

The promoter was actively blocking people who asked for refunds or details about the fest. Dude was a total dirt bag

[@dingodestroys5185]

I worked with a guy like this once. They build up a bs show, try to get people to pay in and then act like everyone else fucked then over when the show doesn’t happen. It’s all a scam. They never expected the show to happen, they just took as much money as they could and then dip.

[@3rdAgeSoap]

Man I remember not long before it was supposed to happen someone on the metalcore reddit called it out for being a little too good to be true and the promoter being a scum bag and to literally no one's surprise, most of the comments in the thread were telling him he was full of shit. I followed this closely and watched unfold live and it was glorious seeing those same people turn around and say "oh shit maybe that guy was right"

[@victorpassos4355]

You should take a look at "Metal Open Air" in Brazil, 2012. That was bad, really bad. And the producers and goind to do a other one this year!

[@jaysmith7062]

I live in Louisville, and this embarrasses me.

[@archangelofcoffee922]

Ah, "When We Were Young Festival" part 2 Acoustic Boogaloo

[@dylandonahoe9115]

Damnit, My old Kentucky home fucking up again. -_-

[@eck-outdoors]

Hey you may not read this, but you should look up the Delicious Rox festival that was in Sedalia, Missouri. I personally knew and worked with the promoters. This Irate Festival sounds like it was put on by one of those guys. Huge shit show but I did get to meet Chris Jericho, Fear Factory and Motograter/FFDP and get some free merch and stuff.

[@erichargis7466]

A festival is Sedalia I'm surprised I never heard of that

[@mitchvechart7164]

1:25 Nik’s little “heh”

[@gwaptiva]

Red Flag Elephant in the room: Guy organises his first ever festival and immediately makes it a three-day affair with dozens of bands? What's wrong with an evening with 3 bands to start with? Or an afternoon with 5?!?

[@thatbitchashley828]

Or just one day

[@veicanoriceia]

"Refunds will be issued within 30 business days" is likely just an attempt to get past the chargeback window so they can't be held liable. There's no reason it should take that long. I'd be amazed if they actually issue any refunds at all...

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

They issues the refunds.

[@keyofevergreen]

That's actually pretty standard with most shows/venues. I've had two shows get cancelled this year (parkway drive, and then Architects). Both shows said it would take about 30 days to get refunds.

[@ruffEdgz]

They wanted to call it Kentucky Fyre Festival but that would be to obvious of a scam 🤪

[@Mr_Bedlam215]

Oof lmao

[@ideitbawxproductions1880]

I knew this comment had to be around somewhere...

[@jasonwaddle6573]

The lot was paved and turned into a giant parking lot essentially. But it made no sense from the jump

[@aws08barbatos]

Had a bunch of friends that were going to play this and luckily this didn't end up happening. Was talking with the vocalist of Ida (for transparency he's one my best friends and I've been a merch guy for them) said it best and I'll keep it short"G it sucks we lost out on something that could have been fire"

[@someoneout-there2165]

Calling things "fire" or saying something "slaps".. are some of the most annoying tripe I've ever heard.. stupid slang for people just to think they're cool and end up sounding idiotic. Then again I'm very old and lame, what do I know. 🤣🤣🤣

[@saltygh0st124]

Living just minutes away and nearly having a bigger backyard, I called BS on it happening there months ago. Had it happened, any paying customer of the businesses 200 yards away could have listened for free.

[@RyanBuote-ik8ny]

Watched this LITERALLY the day before heading to Virginia for Blue Ridge last year, pretty much thinking I was gonna be fine…

[@dennistrusty5145]

Living in Louisville Kentucky, the number 1 problem is metal in Kentucky. It's always either ruined by rap/country/mainstream rock, which I dont mind mainstream rock to sell tickets for heavier rock bands to also be there, but those names of those bands they weren't going to sell here. Also 9:26 anyone from Louisville CRINGES right now.

[@benwhitney8303]

i wanted to die

[@BladePaladin]

I cringed for you, and I'm 3 hours away in TN.

[@TrinaJulianEdwards]

@@BladePaladin yeah, me, too.

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

You must not know the Louisville market. We have a MASSIVE core scene here.

[@dennistrusty5145]

@@Raijin-RyuX24 Yeah but I mean it gets no radio or marketing play. And no mainstream at all. I mean I think there should be a mix. Not like Louder Than Life has gotten to be. Like for me that poster in this video I dont know anyone other than Slaughter.

[@MungasaurusBravo69420]

Playing next to a gas station would be convient for pyrotechnics at this festival

[@americanjetset5010]

Part of me died when he said "Lewis-ville"

[@dontyouworryaboutit_]

Louillvulll

[@blvckno_1]

Reminds me of Pittsburgh metal fest 2014, My band showed up after driving all night from Rhode Island to literally nobody being there in the promoter and nowhere to be found. Just a whole bunch of bands hanging out

[@bladestormX]

That essay is definitely in the top ten creator apologies

[@Senzuballs]

When We Were Young METAL EDITION 😂🤦🏼‍♂️

[@jadecasssie]

Brooo my company was a sponsor and had to BEG to get our name removed once we decided we didn't wanna be a part anymore

[@bobvanka]

Rose Funeral finally return and this is what they were nearly coming back to, thank fuck they played the drop out fest and killed it.

[@ryanshinermusic]

One of my buddies was one of the promoters who got put on the street team and he’s out a bunch of money and was getting hardcore harassed for things he didn’t know about or do. He’s just some random dude in Missouri

[@SNOOPYDOOPIE]

Can you imagine a mosh pit at the petrol station 😂😂

[@dxm028]

I live in Louisville, and I only saw ads for this thing pop up like 2 months ago?? It just kinda came outta nowhere, I didn’t even know where the “venue” was anyways lmao Edit: I’m gonna be a local about it, sorry not sorry, but it’s pronounced “Loo-vull”; doesn’t grammatically make sense but 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

I’m a local and say Louisville as loo ee ville. Because that is how the Kings name is pronounced.

[@Metalheadmike1211]

The Worcester palladium doesn’t even seem to do the New England metal and hardcore fest anymore. There’s parking but it’s very limited.. plus nothing like being in a hot, crowded venue with no re entry. It just doesn’t work.

[@val-8073]

Couldn't you replace those horrific "BIPs" with just a short moment of silence...

[@psc502]

Terry Harper productions if the promoter to go to if you wanna play metal in Louisville. Been doing it since late 90s and had about 10k people at the world famous Waverly Hills Sanatorium years back. He's the man around here.

[@Pedalbored]

I was asked to help with this festival early on before the lineup was confirmed. It was going to be a nightmare. My crew was going to take a major pay cut to help out, only because we loved the lineup. Basically we were going to a concert and getting paid. Sounded great, but we knew there was major issues!

[@VxThrasherxV]

As someone from KY - Any sorta local metal festival in Louisville is destined to fail. Check out Louisville Deathfest. I dont have the highest hopes for locally ran metal festivals

[@kernoleary1394]

The refund thing happened at the trivium/megadeth show here in Toronto. I had to wait over a year for the chance at refunding 4 tickets. They wouldnt issue refunds until a new date for the show was set in stone

[@viqip3243]

if any local bands by chance in the louisville area that needs to get some gigs i would highly suggest trying to get louder than life, they bring out local bands sometimes. so if you guys need a gig to do but you don’t wanna travel away from home during the start of october you should try louder than life.

[@XxTheGoOfYxX]

And that location is next to a bunch of homes 😂😂

[@rockninja10002]

This is exactly what I thought and still think of that when we were young festival sketchy as fuck

[@spfadden082711]

“The pit at pump 3” 😂

[@nichtedsheeran]

pull out game was strong on this one

[@cobrasys]

If you look at the top-left corner, you'll see the image that only has the trees is from October 2011, that's why it's basically wild country there, still. 😉😉

[@soupcansam2022]

Bro I’m from Kentucky, would’ve been sick.

[@NexusLives]

True.

[@ryanisdoneby]

I wish this had gone ahead. It’s giving “Naruto storming Area 51” vibes. Keem smashing a gas station burrito blasting hell from his car speakers would’ve been a solid gathering.

[@andycollins4936]

I guess you could say the organisers of the festival are really... IRATE. I'm so sorry.

[@EddieTHead2266]

You can show yourself out now.

[@lasagnasux4934]

So, next time I should save it for the pit? Roger.

[@yourfavoritetrex]

They really saw what happened with when we were young fest and said "let's try this shit"

[@Im_Halcyon]

I live in the area. And I heard what all was going on. And I assumed it was going to go belly up. It went way more than I had thought it would.

[@NexusLives]

It will never live up to the Dayton, Ohio 4/20/16 Limp Bizkit show, but you gave it a good try, Kentucky.

[@MetalGildarts]

What happened?

[@NexusLives]

@@MetalGildarts Rumor started that Limp Bizkit was going to perform a Secret, 4-20 Concert at a Random Dayton, Ohio Gas Station. The Owner Said it wasn't happening, the local police said it wasn't happening. Even Limp Bizkit Said it wasn't happening. Hundreds of people showed up at the Gas station on 4-20, a full year before the supposed "surprise concert" was even suppose to happen. Then they just kind of partied, playing Limp Bizkit music from their radios.

[@joelflex]

Forgot nik is Canadian until he started saying sorry lmfaoo

[@guitar_boi_ray5450]

I'm from kentucky and I didn't even hear about this, crazy how they tried to pull off this festival scam.

[@jasonwaddle6573]

The member of UTDW that got accused was a business partner and had put capital toward the fest itself.

[@MrKangaroo123]

I am honestly surprised Tank has not jumped all over this shit show, his normally pretty quick to address industry bs like this

[@robdurfee6861]

He knew about this, I brought it up to him after his bands pay to play vid, and he replied to my comment that eventually he was going to make a bigger vid about this festival debacle

[@Mr_Bedlam215]

Tank is taking his time. Probably for the best, because he actually does his homework for reactions, so...

[@rueusaki]

That's crazy that they would try to have a concert in that little lot behind the gas station/dollar general minutes away from my house. There are bigger fields/venues that they could have played at in the area.

[@darkinertia2]

losing warped tour left a festival power vacuum.

[@andrewrochester2589]

You should do a demo on how you record and use plugins for posers

[@jvon3885]

Look into Arkansas Death Fest. Don't know if it's still going it when I played it was a really fun show.

[@carsonh178]

i live 5 minutes from where the festival was going to be held, got a 3 day pass the second they went on sale and i can 1000% say this was sketchy from the get-go. since the festivals cancelation i’ve been to several local shows including one that was dubbed “kentucky drop out fest” where essentially a large part of the local scene and a few bigger came and played all day for less than 20 bucks. super fun and way better than what i imagine irate was gonna be.

[@mato8494]

The Gas station owner would be a billionair , if the Festival haven‘t been canceled..

[@13ninjakill]

Look up the old version of Hell Fest. The one that was in new York or something ended up being the worst festival. It got so big and had so many friggin bands. Sucks how it ended.

[@AnthonyKinder]

dawg...😂😂😂😂 my gfs dad plays MG's with his band so the fact that I know exactly where that is lmaoooo

[@AidenCantrell]

This probably would’ve been one of those apology videos where they have a dog and then they sigh

[@IllegalFallacyDan]

My band was a local on it. We dropped as soon as we saw the huge shitshow is was becoming.

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

What local band Dan?

[@ELECTRIKDOOM77]

MARATHON GAS STATION SLAM 2022!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣

[@MsShortie93]

So I grew up and lived around here my whole life. They were going to use a giant black top parking lot because I literally harassed and bullied the page until I got photos. It’s not this exact spot. But it does back into a neighborhood and stuff. Sucks because we were super excited to have a new festival because louder than life is the only one we have. And that just started a few years ago.

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

Louisville has LDB fest too.

[@MsShortie93]

@@Raijin-RyuX24 I’ve lived here my whole life and never even heard of it. Ltl and b&b are the only two. Besides the hometown rising which happened like once

[@Raijin-RyuX24]

@@MsShortie93 just look up LDBFest. Krazyfest used to happen here. LRS Fest too.

[@Triplexmeltdown]

Tbh I’m upset at the fact I won a enterprise earth flag in a drawing in the fest discord and still haven’t got it in the mail

[@alblacklaw8554]

You should do the Metal Devastation Fest in Tennessee. Gonna be fun.🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@Kelly.sapphire]

Kentucky doesn't get much metal and we always have to travel for shows. Too bad it stunk.

[@TheUpGrayed]

Candidate for best live comment : " that poster is sik though "

[@joshgrisham2275]

I have enough speedway points to unlock a new spin kick. Hoduken.

[@flxnksYT]

Thank you nik for blessing my morning

[@d-erekweth6903]

they definitely aint getting Madball on there in the middle of a tour with Undeath

[@henryspragens6430]

I bought tix and it was sketchy from the get go. Still no refund.

[@higler.]

The venue space isn't really a joke, I've seen Sounds of The Underground and Ozzfest 2nd stage in similar locations with much bigger names. Just a big ass, hot as hell parking lot.