The Worst Speedrun Game... Ever?

[@sTEALtooth]

"We need to make all the classes feel the same...in a BAD way" hahahaha that was great.

[@pluto3194]

Ah so just give em all blink with 1 charge

[@adriangudino3412]

me playing destiny 2 for the first time titan: hmmm hunter mains are pretty good maybe I'll give it a try hunter: hmmm warlock mains are pretty good maybe I'll give it a try warlock: hmmm titan mains are pretty good maybe I'll give it a try ... HMMMMMMMM edit: I messed up in some parts went back and corrected

[@lemonwithalime]

The Worldline nerf makes just about enough sense as removing rocket jumping from TF2 because it wasnt originally intended, even though it's a staple of skill based player movement in the game.

[@rebotsomat]

The opposite of adding bulletjumping into Warframe(RIP to that game too)

[@zcodoedoe]

Mars Argo Is My Mom it actually made it so hard to play pve. I mostly play pvp so sword/artifact skating made pve a lot more playable to me. I will literally stop all together if they mess with top tree dawnblade too much again 😂

[@zcodoedoe]

I need to go fast 😬

[@rebotsomat]

@@zcodoedoe Just give us the speed of titanfall 2 and the world of destiny, ezpz

[@bossox7804]

it actually made zero sense. For ppl who weren't speedrunning but still loved skating, they were giving up their exotic and heavy slot for a movement ability. If that's not a fair trade off in pve I have no clue what is.

[@MediocreSix]

-Fixed an issue where players were enjoying themselves -Fixed an issue where Warlocks were fun -Cut down decision making times for players jumping back on their Titans

[@heyguys2002]

-Increased Hatedom between hunters, warlock and titans by 666% -Updated the game so everytime you go to orbit, enter the tower or an activity you'll get an advertisement for our glorious Eververse that you have to watch for 10 second.

[@robertpalmer8080]

@@heyguys2002 I almost can't remember a time where Titans, Hunters and Warlocks weren't this aggro at eachother, it's sad. Sure we all weren't exactly buds back in D1 what with all the issues there like Warlock melee range especially on stormcaller (nobody could forget that when that's all you heard about and still hear about) and the good old juggernaut shotgun ape titan, but it wasn't outright hatred and it wasn't so much aimed at eachother.

[@hobg5786]

I just started my first titan since basically D1. I just can't bring myself to touch my warlock anymore

[@MediocreSix]

@@robertpalmer8080 I play all three. I dont hate the other two classes, I just recognise outright that titans are easiest to play and hunters are the most rewarding. Thats not hatred, its just the result of Bungie sandbox teams giving warlocks historic nerfs. It took 3 and a half years for Bungie to restore Devour to its original place, and even then - it doesnt hold up to modern sandbox

[@MediocreSix]

@@hobg5786 Ive commited to running my warlock again, because sunsetting means my armaments mets builds are gonna be dead soon. Kinda wanna live it up. But ngl, I rage-switch to Titan and hunter alot to offset losses lol

[@marthpwner]

Honestly, the sword skating nerf was not needed at all. It gave swords a very unique niche, and meant they had actual use. If they were so upset about Worldline being used to get out of bounds, just put in invisible walls?

[@oRiskee]

not only that, people still go out of bounds now without worldline, worldline just made it fun and slightly quicker, speedrunning in any game has always been about using and abusing glitches and bugs in games to complete something in the fastest time possible, worldline and oobs allowed that and made it fun and in my opinion the most unique game TO speedrun.

[@lavynwave]

But that would require bungie to actual work on the game

[@godspeedthe13th]

I'm sorry swords are now a viable DPS option, they have more use now than ever in any point of Destiny 2 history.

[@redfiend1670]

Actually bug checking level textures!? Preposterous.

[@justinparnell3319]

Debaditya Dutta care to elaborate other than Riven cheese and Pit of Heresy final boss? Because swords were fine before its just now people use them because Bungie says they nerfed them.

[@Disrasp]

I highly recommend you all watch IGN's "Doom Eternal Developers React to 27 Minute Speedrun" The devs were really enthusiastic about all the glitching and the player's use of different mechanics, Bungie might learn a thing or two..

[@Red1theviolnce]

I watched the video and I generally agree. However I think the only thing Bungie is doing wrong or different is the lack of communication with the speed runners. Honestly everything this video said was a matter of opinion. If Bungie had just asked speed runners (a small community) what they wanted, then you would see more if an insight like the Doom creators allowed.

[@BruhYouEatGlizzy]

I find it appalling that Bungie then has the guts to send an e-mail to people who left asking their reasons

[@MrNuclearz]

Yeah, I'm betting all those people quit because they nerfed sword skating.

[@anarchy6138]

The reason why they asked is so they know the reason why...

[@wingedknightrohrich1239]

@@MrNuclearz more then that, last few seasons have just, well, sucked. It's kinda just draining in comparison to everything before SoU/shadowmeep. But I definitely know a couple people who only stayed in d2 for sword skating

[@BruhYouEatGlizzy]

@@anarchy6138 yeah, the Internet is absolutely void of people voicing their reasons to quit D2

[@dbkwk9]

@@MrNuclearz I left. I wasn't affected by any nerfs over the past few years. The game isn't fun.

[@isitreallyyouuuuuu]

Aside from speed running, worldline skating was so fun to do and it makes me so sad they nerfed it

[@domi7411]

Worldline skating was just the funnest thing in the game

[@OctoYT]

This is not how you must have fun - Bungie Bring sword skate back plsss bungo

[@robbiestafford6889]

Worldline skate is back on hunter and Titan skating is back look at ehroar

[@domi7411]

@@robbiestafford6889 already seen it robbie, not quite as good but glad its back in a way

[@glenseaman5057]

I think that’s part of the big problem with destiny 2. It’s not finished being worked on. D1 is able to be speedrun because there are glitches and exploits and because bungie isn’t going to patch anything out. In D2, it’s exactly like you say. They’re the traffic cops at a nascar race. Nothing was game breaking about sword skating. Titans are the fastest in D1. Warlocks are/we’re in D2

[@lanceneidhardt4283]

And hunters, who are supposed to be the "fast" and "agile" class are the slowest in both game🤦‍♂️

[@itsoutlaw_]

@@lanceneidhardt4283 Hunters are agile but not horizontally fast. 100 mobility stompee hunger is still agile because of the super disorienting jump and you can close the distance faster than other characters because warlock requires a bit of a start up. You hunters are sure ignorant, not every power is going to go to your already broken class lmao

[@sasori6530]

Static Outlaw shut the fuck up nigga

[@therealcactoos9457]

Static Outlaw What, the class that never got any meaningful buffs in either game, and had to deal with fucking Handheld and Shoulder Charge for years?

[@christopherwelford6407]

Static Outlaw you must be a warlock, from all those facts you're stating. I tip my hat.

[@ZodiarkEclipes]

I actually like how this video explains everything because I did try to speed run a lost sector multiple times on the moon the sorrows harbor one and if you are to fast, same way with a forge the game will freeze for not even a second and just crash

[@redalertsteve_]

ZodiarkEclipes must be a pc thing

[@ZodiarkEclipes]

Pc nah pc's are a bit more on the stable side compared to the ps4's, in fact there are so many flaws destiny 2 has on the ps4 than they do on the pc's, but could be wrong

[@_FrozenPotato_]

I was doing menagerie yesterday, was solar Titan with tractor, fucked up pagouri so hard first phase that it just wouldn't proceed, infinite ad spawns.

[@kalebjohnson8097]

I love how passive aggressive you are at the beginning. Within a minute, you already earned my like!

[@pluradox]

"We have to make all the classes feel the same in a bad way" god damn that hits different because I used to love destiny i was a Halo kid and bungie gave up on us but I didn't want to give up on them

[@kingofgirth8609]

worldline skating was the depth that d2 speedrunning (now) lacks compaired to other speedgames, thats why people are mad

[@TheLegendHimselfClan]

Which it's understandable to be mad, but that's why I consider it a bad speedrun game. I'm not gonna get bent out of shape about it and talk down the devs for doing exactly what I expected them to, I'm just gonna admit that they obviously don't want the game to be a speedrunning kinda game.

[@raphaelx_x7831]

AidanSanchez the goal of speedrunning is to complete something as fast as possible and in almost every speedrun (even for 100% runs) major fights and story elements are skipped in order to save time. If you changed a game so you have to play the encounter legit.... it wouldn’t be speedrunning it would just be a DPS Simulator because that’s what the “cool builds” are.... just dishing out tons of damage to get rid of all the stupid adds to progress faster. I’d take every cool movement option or out of bounds skip over that because it’s fun to watch and fun to do. Everybody is free to do cool builds and destroy everything but that’s not what speedrunners want to do.

[@imakkoh1828]

Personally I think speed running is something that shouldn't be catered to in general, but should still be left alone Or if there's a weird gimmick that let's people speedrun, keep it there And leave it as is, people like to have fun so let them

[@luzid3272]

exactly

[@GrzlyBore]

The reason it was removed was because it allowed you to glitch out of maps and skip entire encounters.

[@luzid3272]

​@@GrzlyBore Every oob in runs can be done without worldline so that point makes no sense. And also you still have to low man the encouter if people skip ahead since the encouter goal needs to be completed. So you can't skip most encounters either. why comment if you don't know what ur talking about?

[@GrzlyBore]

Luzid you cannot glitch out of the first encounter of SotP without the use of worldline. There’s a number of other things that required worldline. It was a bug and it got fixed.

[@TheLegendHimselfClan]

That's pretty much what I'm getting at. Catering to it would be a little silly, but going out of their way to mess it up? Why? They have so little resources (apparently), can't they focus them on something that people aren't protesting?

[@YukiK]

"-That's not what we originally intended." That sounds like the best description for Destiny in general.

[@RyokuKuma]

Hey Slayer, I appreciate the effort you're putting into the videos, like the OEM reference and the Valus Ta'aurc strike line, along the editing in general. I can clearly see a step up from earlier videos.

[@darriangario3447]

"The koala is not about to be told what to do"😂lol

[@Anna_Rae]

As much as I enjoyed all the skating and speedrun strats, I find it silly how many of them were dependent on your framerate. Worldline skating at 30 fps compared to 60 or 120 is a joke. Speedrunning for D2 was clearly in a position where players with better hardware could perform way better.

[@FezTheMoose]

That's generally the same for any game unless the game was meant for older hardware. A game like destiny requires a PC or console with hefty hardware

[@MrFiKiD]

yeah you can pretty much thank console for that one since on console d1 was locked at 30 not sure if d2 is locked to 30 or 60 but that's pretty much why no one cared to think about variable framerates on pc

[@SpopOnTwitch]

Overall good video. I feel like some of your points were unnecessary like comparing D2 speedruns to Mario. 3rd person speedruns like Mario are much different and allow you to get a much more perfect time because you don't have anything to worry about besides running. d2 has smart ads and more advanced mechanics. I do like your Bungie policing comments though. I heard that Bungie's reason for nerfing swords was that they don't want players to be getting over huge gaps as it interferes with content creation/creativity. BUNGIE! there are so many other ways to get over large gaps. They should be removing all gap crossing movement or give swords back.

[@likablehydra4198]

He was comparing the skill needed to do both in a semi-satirical way. Hence why he went back and mentioned the second smoke bomb again. Mario is a game that takes tech skill to speedrun while destiny is becoming quite the opposite considering how bungie treats any and every speed run strat.

[@triff3365]

Bungies reason for removing skating is bullshit. If theyre upset about crossing large gaps, they should have removed fakeskating, titan sword flying, and heat rises+dawnblade. Speed doesnt matter to getting loot, and apparently they dont know that.

[@jackwatson9617]

Speedruns can be in every game. Not ever game should cater to it though. Dark Souls for example is perfect. Destiny isn’t and shouldn’t be moulded to fit the needs of a fraction of a % of the community

[@TheWavetwister]

I’d go as far saying that no game should specifically cater for speed running at all. Speed runs are made special by people’s mechanical ability’s and creativity.

[@luzid3272]

but actively going against speedrunners is even more stupid imo

[@lionel9377]

I like to look at it from a different perspective. There is only a fraction of people that perform speedruns, that is true. But all these people get views on yt and twitch and pull people back to the game, maybe even encourage them to play again. But for that to happen, things like for example speedrunning need to look more exciting. It‘s a bit like the corridors of time event. Only a fraction of the players really took part in solving it but the community watched it as a whole. It‘s also a bit like the worlds 1st races. Only the best groups really has a chance at winning unlike your average casual team. But people still come together and watch them and events like these pushed the viewer numbers of destiny 2 on twitched insanly high. And more attention is always good for games that are called dead by people

[@oRiskee]

No speedrunner wants Destiny catered to them, if anything we want it catered to everyone else so we get more things to speedrun, one thing we do want is a fun game to speedrun, and with the sword skating nerf it aint fun for both casual play and speedrunning and the argument it was done to make swords better is pathetic, worldline zero right now is the most unused heavy exotic sword, and swords as a whole arent great, yeah the infinite sword swing is cool but you took swords from being useable last season with the heavy attack being viable and left attack not being overused to just make swords worse and essentially make them cheese weapons for riven (still by the way, that aint new), and then in other activities such as nightfalls sword have no place due to them still being outshone by other weapons.

[@oRiskee]

To add, the argument that it limits encounter design and that worldline allowed to get places that you cant get to without it is also invalid, people still get out the map now without worldline and even without warlocks, theres also an emote glitch currently that lets people just walk through walls, people also still zoom through encounters like before, ITS JUST NOT FUN, we get that the game is always changing but if your gunna change it atleast make it better, not worse.

[@scottrusso3604]

Maybe if I find another game that I enjoy running as much as I enjoyed running Destiny 2, then I'll start playing that, but I doubt I will. In the meantime, I'll continue to regret everything that happened and miss all the good times I had. I knew Destiny was bad to speedrun as a game pretty much right after I started, with Bungie's philosophy towards glitches and OOB's in the past. But I did it anyway and had some of the most fun I've ever had in the game. That said, you are right that the current changes have convinced me to not speedrun anymore, and I'm in agreement with Slayer on that it's not the best idea to continue running and let Bungie ruin my fun again. IMO a more accurate video title would be "Worst Studio for Speedrunning" or "Worst Developer actions towards speedrunning", but it makes little difference; the changes have still been made. The game may now be not a good one to speedrun, but it was a very good experience in the past. The fact that Bungie flat out refused IGN's offer to react to and comment on Silimar's old Garden record while many other developers have done so since and had a great time doing so says more than I ever could in a youtube comment. I did dislike your example of a GM nightfall run, as to me that is one of the least fun activities to speedrun I can think of. Not nearly as difficult or interesting and fun than many other raid runs were, or a bunch of mission speedruns that others enjoyed (though I didn't do them). A lot of the tech that was used in speedruns took a lot of time to master, and if you compare a speedrun to Mario 64 and it comes even close, then to me that means it's a pretty damn fun and difficult speedrun. I do hope you have a good day. Recent messages and opinions held by many people who are a part of the "speedrun community", have irritated me a great deal to see ideas that I agree with be shared in such a toxic and hateful way. It's annoying to see such a toxic mindset ruin the public perception speedrunners and people who hold similar ideas to myself. I hope in the future that these people realize their mistakes and stop creating such discord in the destiny community. If you read all this, sorry for the poor structure and probably grammar. Just needed to get this out of my head.

[@Slug_ssbm]

4:31 honestly I was genuinely pissed when I tried to relic skate while 2 manning pit of heresy with my friend and I figured out they nerfed it after I just melees in the air and got killed. One of my favorite features in D2

[@robertpalmer8080]

Right? Screw movement speed. Screw Warlocks. Screw fun. That's how it feels to me... Warlocks could use the speed boost, now it's gone. Bungie want all the classes to feel the same then when it comes to fixing Warlock melee speed, Bungie say they want the classes to feel different. By that of course they mean 2 classes remain the same and Bungie ignore the thing players wanted fixed for years instead. Sorry that went off topic, Slayerage's point about making everything the same made me realise that Bungie are just making crap up cause they feel like it now regardless of fun or balance and lack thereof.

[@iqbalarya7168]

Video:destiny gameplay Title:speedruning Audio:koala and red kangaroo

[@XredactedX]

If titans were the ones worldlining it would stay in the game forever and be beloved by the studio

[@robertpalmer8080]

It feels that way huh?

[@theswatteam1909]

The movement speed reduction as a whole from d1 into d2 was a mistake imo. It's bad for the 1% because it makes it harder to get faster times speed running, and it's bad on the 99% because it's just fun to go fast in video games.

[@John_II]

I remember fondly when Baxlyy (if I spelled that right) flying over the jumping ship puzzle in King's Fall... and remember the hilarity of it. :D

[@casualsatanist5808]

Yeah, i just want this game 2 have more mechanics in stuff that isnt a raid....n by mechanics im not talkin about killin ads 2 make a boss' immune shield go away

[@likablehydra4198]

You say this, yet in the words of datto defending the seraph towers, until we can rely on randoms to know mechanics off the bat they have to keep things basic. To this day i still load into the corrupted strike and am amazed that people dont know how to throw a ball at the boss.

[@MrGarryGrey]

tl:dw: speedrun a game that isn't constantly changing/updated

[@markcollins9635]

or with a patch loader so you can run on various patches ala Borderlands 2

[@tumbler4123]

@@markcollins9635 or just put the pre nerfed sword skate on the nine of swords card

[@TheLegendHimselfClan]

You'd think this would be basic and agreeable, but it is not.

The speedrun community is such a small percentage of the playerbase that I doubt Bungie is willing to let bugs exist just so you can finish a strike a second faster. It's their job fixing stuff in their game.

@nothing Because this bug could snowball into something reeeeal bad. Imagine this being used to skip encounters on new content down the road, or even a World's First Raid Race, imagine the shitshow. Better fix it now, and be done with it.

[@NAPainter]

That's like saying the world's first race community is such a small percent of the player base so we will be taking out all rewards for completing the raid first and or on day 1. They are a small community because speed running isn't easy to do but it's entertaining to WATCH.

@nothing Zero Raid encounters now. It's a freaking live game. Tomorrow they could release new stuff where this exploit breaks the game. There's no way of knowing.

[@Ryan-ok8wo]

@ you do know how long world line skating has been around right.

@@Ryan-ok8wo Not anymore lol

[@KibethSE]

Bungie constantly tells people to play their way until they do, then it's "No, not like that!". So they fundamentally change mechanics to stop people playing differently than Bungie wants

[@robertpalmer8080]

*cough* Artifact mods *cough* Sorry what? Did someone say something?

[@HawkmoonaMatata]

Should Bungie have dedicated the manpower and development time (which is something they seem to be struggling on lately) to cater to the 1% of the population, when these sword changes are something that will benefit the other 99%? Genuinely asking. The Worldline nerf was collateral damage, they didn't specifically go out of their way to remove it...it just couldn't be saved in order to implement the new system. And if the new system is enjoyed by 99% of the population, then why is that 1% more important in terms of development? "We can't save Worldline glide heavy attack skating on a Warlock, so let's scrap the whole thing that affects every other sword everywhere until we can?" Always love your videos Slayerage, and you always got my full support. But I'm just thinking out loud here, was the 1% really so important that all other changes should have been put on hold until they could be properly catered to? I loved watching speedruns as well. But you know what I like more? Having an entire archetype of heavy weapons now being viable in PvE.

[@luzid3272]

They went out of there way just to target worldline. That's pretty obvious by the patchnotes alone. They litteraly changed the warlock glide interaction which has nothing to do with the new sword functionality.

[@NAPainter]

it wasn't collateral damage. they intentionally took away the ability to use warlock glide during in full body attack animation. this ONLY affected sword ball skating. this had nothing to do with the new energy system.

[@boop_]

D2 might not be the best speedrun game, but activities like raids provided an incredibly unique speedrunning experience for runners that can't be found in other games. The vast range of things to speedrun in the game also made it appealing, if you can't get enough people to run a raid there's dungeons, missions, and strikes all as options.

[@silver2797]

Slayer: brings up koalas me: Finally, watching anime has payed off for something

[@novaaaa]

Ok few notes from a d2 speedrunner, first of, goodski (guy that you showed the tweet of, is stupid). secondly, tools such as netlimiter, or anything 3rd party like it is banned in our speedruns. And 3rd, GM nightfalls is not a competitive speedrun. Things like daily heroic missions and raids are the base of destiny 2 speedrunning and WERE really optimized and competitive, they are still competitive now but the level of optimization has been wiped by the sword changes.

[@novaaaa]

to add, we dont reset the leaderboards (speedrun.com, you will also see that GM NF speedruns dont exist) every balance patch that affect us negatively, we have only reset it once, which was the sword changes.

[@luzid3272]

@@novaaaa unrelated but ... gl on sub 14 levi today

[@novaaaa]

@@luzid3272 ty bro

[@laurenstrines4783]

Slayerage, not gonna lie. I absolutely love your opinion/ commentary vids please keep ‘em comin’!

[@WasBane]

I don't normally care to ever comment on youtube, but I've been loving every piece of content you've put out since you came back to it! Always generating good discussions, thought, and points of view imo.

[@kylek6104]

Skating was removed because Dmg04 was upset that he couldn’t do it

[@talal3c]

Us: having fun Bungie: Hurdur

[@jsmooth8655]

Don’t even play D2 anymore BUT I would very much like another video! This is high quality content

[@nissan_6828]

I remember that garden world strike would get fucked and the boss would not spawn if you went fast through a certain tunnel, if sagira or ghost didn’t finish talking 😂

[@redfiend1670]

Was playing the story version on top tree sunbreaker titan with dunemarchers and a lightweight weapon(maximum sprint) the other day. It still breaks.

[@nissan_6828]

Tintehfiend i fixed it by waiting at one of the tunnels till they stop talking, had to google it. it’s quite pathetic if i’m honest, happens on both the story and strike, if it happens you can’t even wipe to return to a checkpoint

[@redfiend1670]

@@nissan_6828 It's not the only strike that breaks if you move through it too fast. If someone hasn't loaded in when you pass a checkpoint, there can literally be Vex or hive shadow walls that stop progress because the NPCs haven't spouted the dialogue we've heard a few thousand times.

[@phillophobic]

ur battling penguinz0 for the king of sarcasm

[@emmanueledettorre2087]

Yeah, same happened with that hand cannon. "That's for hip firing not aming downsight, we're nerfing it so you can play as intended"

[@xanzus]

They're not enforcing the speed limit in a NASCAR race, they're enforcing the speed limit in a private neighborhood.

[@jremmie4054]

Wow man! I laughed my ass off so much throughout this video! So awesome! 👏👏👏 This Music was bugging me, too, so much!

[@memereview305]

This whole comment section is arguing about this, but no one’s talking about him throwing shade at BOB ROSS YOU MONSTER

[@MrRyguySkate]

Meme Review because he was being sarcastic

[@memereview305]

spiro that’s the joke

[@Odin1177]

Love the content, and the sarcasm...... WAIT..... There's sarcasm there...... No way!!!

[@immortalcbox8769]

Instead of just a picture of OEM it should have been a Titan wearing OEM and Antaeus wards.

[@zcodoedoe]

I just like hearing the legend speak tbh

[@Hynra]

IDK how my mind works but this is my favorite video.

[@armyprivate4923]

Really nice video loved the analogies

[@dodostarforce]

The theory that makes the most sense to me is that because titans are the least played class, so all the warlocks and hunter’s are resetting their least played (Titan) account to them the gold medals for heir apparent and that’s boosting the ratings. Which makes titans have the most gold medals. Would also be the most ironic theory

[@agentgrizzly5432]

Such a informational video. Thanks for teaching me about the Red Kangaroo.

[@CrispySenpai]

Not only that, but they “patched” a glitch where you have no guns in the game. Editors do this all the time for montages to get cinematics, where you go into private matches, do the no gun glitch, turn off your hud, and you’re basically the camera guy. No effect on gameplay at all, it was just a way to be creative in the game and they “fixed” it

[@yukon9565]

So there's no way to do that anymore right?..

[@CrispySenpai]

Yukon 95 the editing community spent hours looking for a new one and found something else, so hopefully that one won’t get patched too

[@yukon9565]

@@CrispySenpai can you help me with that? Where do i have to look? I want that no gun camera so baaad

[@CrispySenpai]

Yukon 95 just search “destiny 2 no gun glitch” it’s a vid from a month ago from splash army I think

[@block4562]

Just one note: Koalas are not bears, and we do not call them Koala bears. They are just koalas

[@SolaceV9]

Bungie has been working very hard to fix the playerbase having fun for a long time now.

[@soapboxofscott]

It’s not a koala bear, it’s just a koala. It’s a marsupial.

[@bunnerkins4165]

This Slayerage guy sounds like a pretty cool dude and he's probably really swol. (You're doing great buddy keep up the great work!)

[@YeahTheDuckweed]

bro koalas ain't bears but you know what you have my attention

[@templardethx1233]

You insulted Bob Ross *ITS GETTING PERSONAL NOW*

[@sebastiangomezb3722]

Dude! I love your intros 😂

[@coredna1]

I did some cool clips with worldlinie zero and my super but bungie thought : Sorry this is too cool for destiny go away. Greetings bungo

[@x5generalnix5x]

Koalas are a smooth brained animal, they lack the ability to care or change. If you hand a koala a plate of eucalyptus, it will not know what to do with it.

[@MankeyMark]

Koalas are not bears.

[@TheLegendHimselfClan]

Oof why is it so fun to say though

[@MankeyMark]

The Legend Himself As an Aussie I wouldn’t know.

[@BluTang]

It's not a bear...it's a marsupial.

[@virtualshift]

And this is one of the reasons why I stop playing destiny 2 at the start of this season. Thank you for calling them out on this BS.

[@Benny_B0O0]

The real question is why you keep uppercutting while your sword doesn’t have a full energy meter

[@thegamingkidjj]

The koala bear analogy was very interesting, but idk how he thought that was obvious. I for one did not know the diet of the Koala bear and the poisonous aspect of the food it ate. Idk maybe I wasn’t paying attention in school

[@spaztastic0611]

Remember how they nerfed midair dodge for warlocks. I found out that while in super you can travel faster than a sparrow.

[@KiloAlphaRomeoLima]

The sarcasm in this video was on point. Along with pretty much all of the takes.

[@killeratj.7025]

to bad bungie hasnt even made reason to play since shadowkeep

[@Xerkxes]

Part of it was Sword Skating was starting to leak into crucible. Since the last change to dawnblade You could start combining Icarus dash and an empty sword to go faster, so extra speed with little cost, and it was incredibly easy to do. We're also getting faster at finding out how to use it to speed run raids. How long would it have been till someone pulled off some some shinanigas with it during a world's first? The problem wasn't that it was currently harmless", it's that it had the potential.

[@christopherwelford6407]

Xerkxes how would you pull it off with worlds first if you dont know where to go , it doesnt matter about OoB because people wouldnt know where to go IF they get OoB by accident.

[@razzar_8]

I mean, I get it, for the "1%ers" taking the game and breaking it open using outlier interactions to accomplish stuff otherwise impossible in the game, by its definition could be/ is(?) fun. But, I think the stance you've taken here using Worldline as an example is a bit shaky. Let me explain: While I 100% agree the the worldline-skating was a harmless exploit in PvE, if it had become popular in PvP (like other certain outliers right now) we would have ended up with the same result anyway. Now, if the worldline perk had read: "after sprinting, heavy attacks teleport you half way across any map, and allow you to keep your momentum at the cost of heavy ammo" (and it worked for all three classes, I could see a world in which the exotic remains untouched (not really, but we can dream) however, because the effect was only available on one class, and could be used to devastating effect in PvP as it was (WL into immediate Nova bomb/ Nova Warp/ Landfall etc) Bungie did the thing that would effect (affect) the least amount of people, and normalised the effect of WL across all classes to avoid a public outcry. And yes I know: "Bungie just nerfed it to save PvP!! Arrrrgh! Fire and death yada yada yada." But the other point you brushed over was WL's ability to get people free loot, by essentially skipping or cheesing encounters. Now yes, it didn't happen often and you couldn't do it everywhere, but in places like PoH, WL made a big difference in loot acquisition and so marked itself for needing a change. To use another example of this, Bungie were pretty good sports about the menagerie loot farm. Obviously, reinstancing the loot chest and reslotting the chalice after each reinstancing was not intended, and thus patched in due course, It kind of became a pseudo-community event counting down to the day the exploit was patched out of the game, and consequently game rise to the 3 charge system we have now. By that same logic, 'if' Bungie were to return some form of WL's original functionality (though I doubt it, as Bungie tends to like people actually 'engaging' with their content rather than bypassing/ cheesing it) it would only be with universal functionality across all classes, and not to a degree that players would be able to use it to break the game. What I'll end with here is an example of what WL was capable of in PvP specifically, seeing as that was the main crux of my argument. using WL of the map Dead Cliffs, it was possible to take the heavy from either of its God-awful spawn points, charge it up, WL-Skate into the A spawn, where the enemy team is perpetually trapped, and dunk everyone with a nova, or pop a stormtrance right in the midst of the players trapped there and obliterate them all with less than 2 seconds worth of time for the enemies to attempt to counter play you from the moment you activate WL to the moment that your super takes effect. Given that the PvP community is consumed with the idea of always having a counter play option available in the current climate (looking at no particular pair of exotic boots...) it's only fair that everything gets pulled in to avoid these issues. (Although, I'll give it to you that Bungie have an odd way of determining which nerfs need to be prioritized ;P ) Cheers to all who actually bother to read this. - Razzar

[@christopherwelford6407]

Razzar_8 it wasn't just locks, you could do it on titan wit burning mall, hunter with arcy boi and specs, you could do it on every class, the only advantage locks had was that it was just on their jump , but that doesnt make too much of a diff in PvP as u will probably use ur super anyway if ur tping across the map in to the enemies spawn. The only real problem was with pve and the cheesing, but even still, it was the funnest thing in the game

[@datrando]

If people legitimately get mad at you for this vid, I guess they didnt watch it. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Another great video, senpai. Do another one!

[@TheWolfXCIX]

The main problem I think was that it was Warlock exclusive and tied to the sword/relic skating, which made one class significantly more useful in any content with relics. If it was for all classes and unrelated to relics I doubt they'd have changed it

[@cdntitan5056]

Really hasn't changed much for runs. It's still dominated by warlocks

[@somebodyfixmyinternet]

2:20. That's how long it took for this guy to stop going off on unrelated tangents and convoluted metaphors.

[@BsideArchive]

For years, Bungie has prioritized fixing things that benefit players while leaving harmful bugs/exploits untouched.

[@izumi7015]

My man is a clown but I love it i agree with what you're saying, but dude your sarcasm is on point shit had me rolling.

[@centurosproductions8827]

"Bungie are traffic cops trying to enforce the speed limit at a Nascar race." And according to earlier points in the video, speedrunners are Nascar racers trying to race on the streets the traffic cops have been hired to patrol. Sounds like a real mess.

[@luzid3272]

Really good video. Destiny might be a bad speedrun game but sadly can be a lot of fun to speedrun

[@Sofuretu]

I think people enjoy the challenge of speedrunning a game that isn't meant to be speedrun (ran?). It's fun to watch, and makes these changes sucky.

[@devonjudd]

this script was written so well hahaha laughing the whole time

[@codylujan]

I think I might need to read bungies book on how to have fun because i'm not having fun

[@roar104]

bungie is definitely a control freak about things. "you aren't using TLW the way I want you to, so we're gonna force you to otherwise it'll be bad". "too many people are using snipers, never mind the fact we put so many mechanics in game to make anything close range not viable, so to make more people use other things we're nerfing snipers"

[@KnjazNazrath]

>The official bird of Australia is the Emu Yup, that's what happens when they take over the country during a war so horrible that the locals dare not speak its name.

[@zacherywaite7463]

I hit the red X and closed out my browser. You pranked me!

[@buckfactor3952]

I am happy to see you using your superpower for good and entertainment. TLW

[@jacobgitpumartin8128]

I feel like a bungie employee nerfed the world line because he wasn’t able to do the trick. Like are you kidding me .

[@daz3]

The issue is bungie always attacking speedrunners yet they make up a small portion of the player base This includes the sticky grenade fix and sword skate nerf.

[@rahilshaik9925]

Nah the sticky grenade cheese fix was done cause literally everyone skipped the ogre encounter in shattered throne

They're just fixing their game, I don't think this is a deliberate attack, chill

[@luzid3272]

@ the wordline and skate thing was 100% without any doubt deliberate.

@@luzid3272 I don't think you're supposed to travel at the speed of sound in Destiny, but ok, if that's your opinion, it's fine

[@prometheuslens7825]

Soooo... your telling me speedrunners sleep 22 hours a day?

[@parallelalpha]

Bungie hates everything except pajamas at a dlc reveal.

[@powerless_imp0682]

I feel so much slower as a warlock now I always liked doing dungeons and stuff partly just so I can skate around

[@Ivan-xs2uo]

I'm no speed runner or 1% destiny player I just enjoyed being able to fly around with my warlock:)

[@robertpalmer8080]

Same dude... Same. Everyone enjoyed it, if anyone seriously has some issue with the movement we had, they must just be allergic to fun.

[@joshcarson2879]

I’ve been playing destiny since Taken King in D1, played D2 since launch (took a short break to take care of family, came back for season of Forge), and played religiously until Shadowkeep. I had to leave destiny to travel for my job, and when I came back it was two ish days after the current season dropped. Def disappointed to find out I can’t get Eriana’s Vow or Devils Ruin, kind of a completionist myself :(

[@undeadlurchgaming1383]

Changes to stop sword skating, has also affected orb skating as well which made some activities boring, even the ones not part of end content. Destiny 1 has titan skating d2 they have a nerfed version of it, destiny 2 had warlock skating with the use of sword or object, now all we got is icarus dash.

[@francisharkins]

You should swap out that One Eyed Mask for Antaeus Wards at 4:25. Because it wasn't working as "intended" now it has a 360° invincibility shield when you slide despite the fact the animation and exotic perk tell you the shield should only be in front of the player not all around them. But speed running wouldn't be over the top if Bungie didn't dangle "world first" exclusive stuff that gives people bragging rights and strokes a 1%'s ego.

[@flameo8191]

So does this mean that titan skating in destiny 1 was an intended mechanic and that it was fair and balanced

[@Mythhammer]

Its almost as if someone (Luke Smith perhaps...) at Bungie, is **obsessed** with their Vision™ of how the game IS to be played, and demands that everyone abide by that...Or else.

[@christopherwelford6407]

honestly Puke shit should be fired from bungie, he's ruining the game and has been for a while.

[@link182_]

you should be a podcaster, you have a very satisfying voice

[@coleshovel8432]

I didnt get worldline until after the sword change. Just got bored one day. Buckled down and hunted all the little doohickies

[@BenYork-UBY]

The worst game to speedrun is one that takes hours to complete no matter what you use, EXCEPT for one mechanic that lets you speedrun the game at record pace. However, this mechanic can only be accessed through tedious grinding for a super-rare RNG drop. Making all speedruns about as fun as sitting at a slot machine and gambling for hours ...THAT would be speedrunner hell

[@dakhaikh]

Bungie is a control freak +1.