The Worst Spiral Abyss Ever to Curse Our Existence

This is the worst version of the Spiral Abyss.
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[@Ratheil]

Literal garbage Abyss

[@MochaCohee]

Actual frikin facts, I was able to clear it and get 36 eventually but it was nothing fun.

[@Criblo456]

Literal skill issue.

[@AzureDrag0n1]

I am in complete disagreement with you and I will make sure to praise this abyss like crazy on the next survey. Some parts of this game are just not for everyone. I hate the TCG and will never touch it. This abyss is more for players who pull for meta and skip characters that they might like to play so you have a roster that can deal with any situation. There are many teams you can beat this abyss with. Even without any dendro. I like this abyss because it makes you use non standard teams. It puts your team building ideas to use and makes you think how to approach each floor. It is not an abyss for newer players and I think that is fine. Not everything has to cater to newer players. There is enough in this game that caters to them. They need no more catering. Cater something for me please. Give me this less than 1% of the game. The rest of you can enjoy your TCG.

[@oldkingcoal4376]

@@AzureDrag0n1 Every abyss is for people who pull for meta. It was never something casual. As someone who only uses non-standard teams, the only thing I liked about this abyss was the Iniquitous Baptist, which is a pretty interesting boss. Chamber 2 was fine, but the rest was just annoying to go through, and in my opinion the previous iterations of the abyss with consecrated beasts were even worse. From my experience Spiral Abyss was always too restrictive for team building and it keeps getting harder with each version, powercreeping itself faster than the characters do.

[@alexanderminas28]

I learn that ER is one of the major factors in this one especially 12-1 second half. The hydro is always the greater threat not only for freeze comp but also for extending coolodowns. so yeah.

[@InquisitorSinCross]

The main problem with this abyss and every other abyss is Genshin's enemy design: TOO MANY enemies just run AWAY from the player.

[@ghotifish1838]

Nah fam, first chamber it's the opposite problem, those mf abyss lectors keep running towards you and just knock you over

[@pontoancora]

Players just love to complain.

[@deedee3355]

@@ghotifish1838 and that stamina draining debuff from cryo mf, havent spent my stamina in a long time xD

[@akamistify]

Idk about you but I never had that problem in this abyss. My issue was that they wouldn’t give me a break, especially the lectors lmao

[@anhelaanhela4996]

Or hide underground like....is it that difficult to just make a normal challenging mechanic instead of the constant tag and hide-and-seek.

[@RePollster]

The funniest thing for me was that I actually struggled on 11-1 as well, which hasn't happened in a long time

[@Fraudkuna]

Me too I had to use a different team there lol i hate the specters

[@TamerChris]

I had to retry that Chamber 1 many times too. Can't have the Specters die too near or their explosion will damage the defence mechanism, and the Eremites on 2nd half didn't seem to want focus on me too. I had to use CC on one side and Freeze on the other. Floor 11 used to be a no brainer, but now it needs so much precise strategy that it's frustrating.

[@RePollster]

@@TamerChris exactly. It was such a pain trying to control all of that.

[@rioikhtiar24]

I ended up blasting the monolith with nilou bloom.

[@SaladQueen]

Same here!

[@Szczurzyslawa]

I'm scared that when this one rotates out of the abbyss they're gonna create something even worse...

[@pontoancora]

I hope they do it

[@firestorm2459]

next abyss rotation is going to be easier ( leaks about abyss are already out)

[@TheSilverHermitMage]

Next update: the inquisitous baptist can fly around now!

[@PlebBora]

they're trying to sell eula next patch so abyss is considerably easier kekw

[@Szczurzyslawa]

@@PlebBora HAAH KEKW TRUE

[@salto7080]

You actually do have a second Kazuha, this one uses a catalyst, has green hair and collects bones

[@crocworks]

Exactly! I don't own Kazuha and want a 2nd Sucrose, so I'll be chasing him when he comes. But Sucrose is so good. I used Sucrose, Xingqiu, Fischl, Beidou to clear all of the 1st half of floor 12. (2nd half used Bahida, Bennett, Xiangling, Ayato)

[@salto7080]

@@crocworks yeah, its funny how much whales underestimate her

[@nationalgeografic7687]

Poor man doesn't have true anemo archon 😢

[@minty_macaron]

literally she’s our seconf sucrose and my main dps o love her

[@Tomy_Lightning]

I love sucrose but she is kinda klunky when it comes to swirling with the burst at least for me it's super inconsistent for if it swirls or not.

[@AMWmyu00]

that human being who inserts hydro+cryo heralds in same wave *DESERVES ALCATRAZ*

[@pontoancora]

Oh please, just git gud

[@TheSilverHermitMage]

STRAIGHT TO THE SHADOW REALM

[@ichiKuro12]

Git gud

[@nationalgeografic7687]

​@@pontoancora just git kazuha and xl

[@betomsd1]

​@@nationalgeografic7687 And then also do another run to actually complete the rest of the floor, cuz using only xiangling+kazuha+Bennett isn't gonna do anything against the baptist

[@anshnanavati]

Burgeon does surprisingly well against the thunder manifestation. I cleared it faster with Thoma Nahida Xingqiu Bennett than with either my Yoimiya team or my Ayato team.

[@BadassHatdog]

that's good to know as I'm planning to go through floor 12 again but with burgeon (because I heard this abyss really does cater burgeon and surprisingly, beidou too.. especially at c6 with electro res decrease)

[@adriandaliva1341]

they said it themselves, they never played a burgeon team, it's why they know absolutely nothing about it being the best choice for a 2nd team here 😂

[@insectslayer1374]

bruh how do you manage that Thoma burst and still get damage?

[@Sam-up4ul]

@@insectslayer1374 Just follow the boss and his burst will hit it, you can also just swap him out for XL if you're willing to accept the safety loss.

[@insectslayer1374]

@@Sam-up4ul I didn't have any problems with the bosses. They are actually the easy parts. as for Xiangling she also has energy problems so I'd rather go with shield dude. I either deal less damage with higher ER or deal a lot of damage but waste time waiting for the burst I don't know how others play Thoma burgeon and still manage to keep that burst ready for rotation

[@TheSilverHermitMage]

Every time we get a new abyss, I start missing the old abyss 😭 I'll finish floor 12 one day Can't believe burgeon is one of the few viable comps here

[@AMWmyu00]

yeah this cycle tarnishes my hu tao comp, she's ran burgeon 💢

[@TheSilverHermitMage]

@@AMWmyu00 fr I'll either have to find a good em build for my hu tao, or I'll have to find a good em build for thoma

[@pontoancora]

​@@AMWmyu00 just put nahida with hutao usual team and done

[@MARUSHI-YT]

this abyss forced me to finish building my yaoyao

[@warfrekmanreborn]

enemy placement is designed to eat out your time and another big element check to your available own character

[@Puppetmaster2005]

While I really enjoyed this abyss, I agree with you when you said not everyone will have access to a varied enough roster to tackle the elemental requirements of this new floor 12. I feel, that this new difficulty spike should've been reserved for a "floor 13". Because as of currently, the jump in difficulty from floor 11 to 12 was INSANE. It doesn't feel very linear at all.

[@cr0ssed0ut419]

this! especially when the difference in hp between lv90 and 100 is in the millions 😅 maybe they should make a new character level cap, to 100 110 whatever?

[@GammaFoxNZ]

The biggest issue is that they increase the difficulty of the abyss constantly, but don't compensate us with better rewards.

[@pontoancora]

Because rewards are irrelevant, we want harder gameplay

[@xXDarkWolfXx21]

​@@pontoancorathey failed on both fronts though so I don't see your point, the rewards aren't any better and the combat isn't challenging just annoying

[@yahia5476]

​@@pontoancoraHard does NOT MEAN frustrating, big difference

[@pontoancora]

@@xXDarkWolfXx21 as I said, being hard is already the reward. And it is harder, that's why it's annoying for you.

[@pontoancora]

@yahia5476 it's only frustrating because you are weak and are having a hard time. I became frustrated in the first hour when I was nowhere close to beat them. But after I understand the mechanics, and what I should do, it becomes the most fun I ever have in abyss. For the first time, for 2 years, I was not sure I would be able to beat it 36 stars. And when I did, it was almost as good as the first time. I want more like that

[@Admerelech]

I'm just glad that the Lectors are at the first chamber of the abyss, Imagine if they put them on chamber 3 part 2, I would've gone bald from malding

[@abdelrahmanelhawary8718]

This abyss literally made me question whether it's worth it to invest money in this game anymore if I can't clear the hardest content

[@Szczurzyslawa]

SAME I was like why do I even build my characters if I can't even get past these abbyss lectors. I just gave up. And like... uber whales are gonna keep whaling, and f2p are gonna probbaly stay that way, but the middle spenders I feel are gonna just pack up and leave with their money because what's the point with abbyss like this??? Feels like spit in the face and kick in the gut, annoying as all hell

[@canaldecasta]

Burgeon is your friend.

[@squidwardart]

@@canaldecasta yes, second side is pretty much a burgeon check, enemies don't have much hp, some melt teams work fine too

[@sunright20475]

I'm welkin-only player and I 36 starred this current abyss, better question your skill issue 🤣

[@whateverheaven5276]

theres never a money investment in the first place, you're not getting anything back, you pay only to progress quicker only investment is time grinding for your character and artifact (*need luck*)

[@shadowkhan422]

Thats my problem with Genshins Abyss. Its either feels really easy , or almost impossible . They try so hard to force you buy new 5 stars with Abys levels thatt hat artificial difficulty starts feeling cheap .

[@pontoancora]

Oh please, is far from almost impossible. This just ask for a few more brain cells to understand the best element combinations.

[@pontoancora]

And which new 5 star they force you? Yae and yoimiya, that aren't really better to this abyss?

[@plvto1]

​@@pontoancora they didn't say it applied to this abyss

[@salceds]

@@pontoancora Yae is good here because she auto-targets. Yoimiya is good for the Thunder Manifestation and the Baptist, 12-1-1? Not so much.

[@pontoancora]

@plvto. so you are saying a game focused in selling characters are hitting you to get some of these characters? And are you really surprised? They aren't forcing you to nothing, much less to spend money, as we can get the chars we want for free.

[@Melotaku]

I enjoyed the abyss when I didn’t focus on trying to beat it fast. Going for stars really takes the fun out of the combat in this game. I settled for 33 stars and that was good enough for me. Time limits are dumb and stupid.

[@wilburforce8046]

Or your just kinda bad/aren’t at the investment level required to clear in time.

[@AMWmyu00]

also for first of history -forces their dear players *to turn the key of no turning back path* THE FORBIDDEN ONE. C6 BENNETT

[@dragonlordleda]

OMG. Hearing someone else complain about the whopperflowers staying still and spamming their moves from afar makes me feel so much better. I thought I was the only one who was experiencing that pain (and it was consistently the cryo one that spawns in the second wave). I used the Burgeon team against the Thundering Manifestation and it works just fine. Yes, the boss does move around, but there are helpful guides that explain the bosses movements. No, you are correct. Second half is such an element check, on top of the DPS that Floor 12 already has. I hated this Abyss so much. Chamber 1 was the worst one ever. What sucks is while I do love a challenge and I want that, I also recognize not everyone wants that and most importantly, the Abyss should be as “fair” as possible within reason. It’s not the first time this has happened. An example was that Mono Geo focused floor they really wanted to shove in our faces with Golden wolf lord, BUT that was still possible even without Geo. I understand that Abyss is used to promote the banner characters and drive some sales (Corrosion promoted Kokomi and healers in general, Golden Wolf promotes Itto and Mono Geo, the Algorithm enemies and bosses promoting dendro/electro focused teams, etc.) This one though just left such a bad taste in my mouth.

[@aperson6562]

Something I never understood is how people complained about abyss. I would understand if it’s only the causal players who complain(even then do casuals care that much about abyss?) but I see the people who say they want challenge in the game complaining about its difficulty. I will definitely not deny that the abyss is just plain unfair at times(consecrated beasts* are the worst designed enemies in genshin no question about that), but the unwillingness people have to try different approaches just dumbfounds me. Isn’t the point of a challenge that it isn’t easily solvable? That you have to try multiple solutions? Yet people spend hours using the same teams and similar strategies. Abyss has always(well, mostly) been about more than just damage, manipulating the enemies is part of the challenge. That’s what makes it fun, even if it is annoying sometimes. If it was just mindlessly clicking bursts and skills until the enemy died, it would really just be a dps check and nothing more. Take the iniquitous baptist for example, while the shield seems intimidating, you really only need pyro and hydro, heck even electro can work, and most teams will have at least one of these elements. So on average, you should be able to deal with at least 2 of the shields well, and even when you can’t remove a shield yourself, it goes away after some time. And while waiting for it to go down sounds like a bad idea, the Baptist actually does not have a lot of health, so usually, even waiting for the shield to go down by itself gives you enough time to kill him. That’s one good thing I liked about this side specifically, to balance out the fight because of his shield, he has a lower hp pool. Really, I think what people need to do is try experimenting with different teams. I’m sure most players are in the endgame by now so what I recommend is building a good variety of characters to allow for flexible teams. It feels more rewarding than pouring resin into artifacts with little results(Although I would only do this after I have decent artifacts on my main characters. My top recommendations on which teams and characters to build are: Hyperbloom: Kuki(Lisa also works), any dendro(make sure to build at least two of them in case you also need dendro on the other side), any hydro(same thing applies here), last lot is flexible, though I recommend sucrose for extra em and grouping or any shielder or healer for survivability Burgeon: Same as hyperbloom but you’d use thoma instead of an electro(thoma is the most consistent but you can also try kazuha with Bennett) Fridge team(basically a bloom team with freeze). hydro(the bloom trigger: I recommend Barbara or kokomi since they have good aoe hydro application), 2 dendro characters), one cryo character(diona is a good pick for survivability, even better if you have her c6) *Rant: why I hate consecrated beats. They had so much potential, but hoyo messed up somewhere along the line. They are one of the few enemies that make the player feel a sense of danger. Even a single hit could be fatal. Surviving becomes just as much of a concern as killing them. But then for whatever reason, they decided to always put them in pairs and make them attack ruthlessly. I know this sounds contradictory but what i mean is that a balance can be found. If you’re gonna put two of them together, then make their attack frequency lower or make the two beasts alternate in attacking. And another trend that they have been incorporating into new enemies is making them move all over the place. So consecrated beasts end up being these big monsters who move all around the place(let’s not also forget their janky hit boxes which also move you around whenever they do anything) and kill you instantly if you end up being hit by even one attack. Some solutions to this problem could be making them not move as much, and if they are going to be put together as a duo, make them fight like a duo, not as two separate enemies. This reduces the problems of being sandwiched between the two of them and barely having any control of your character.

[@AevyCh]

12-1-1 The AI can be easily manipulated to group themselves, and there's pretty much no RNG this time compared to previous Abyss. 12-1-2 The Cryo Abyss Mage has Thorns/Spike effect, applying Cryo to the active character when attacked. Xingqiu & Barbara can freeze themselves because of this. Characters such as Jean, Thoma, Dori & Bennett could be useful here. The 3 Heralds however, you need to get creative :) 12-2-1 & 12-2-2 are mostly just DPS Check, and Input Check if you're daring enough to i-frame every marks of Thundering Manifestation (I doubt anyone would, and I bet most people don't even know about this mechanic). 12-3-1 is very challenging, and the Concecrated Beasts has multi hit attacks (make sure to dodge twice). 1 minute per wave is good enough. You should be able to beat Iniquitous Baptist in 1 minute or less. 12-3-2 The Iniquitous Baptist will shield himself in the exact pattern (Cryo->Hydro->Pyro), and he will be stunned for a pretty long time. For the next cycle onwards, the Shield Gauge will be reduced significantly, neaning that the shield will break even faster. Honestly this is truly one of the most challenging Abyss we've had in a while. At the same time, it also tests your knowledge of the game, unlike previous Abyss where you can brute force your way through.

[@Freenos]

Agreed, this abyss tests an account's elemental flexibility and enemy knowledge a lot. The challenge of creating teams that can clear all three chambers is interesting and creative in a way simple HP sponges (Wenut/Geovishap) aren't.

[@yuki13977]

thanks for the tips!

[@pontoancora]

​@@Freenos exactly. And weak players are still crying. That's the reason we can't have good things in this game

[@soumitroy3437]

I mean I'm not against the challenge but I do appreciate it if they add floor rather than increasing floor 12 challenge . It feels like a pretty waste of time after you 36 it . I think the abyss should give us more reward as now we are having four banners.

[@Zarya.]

The problem with this abyss for me was 12-3-1 Dodging consecrated beasts is too dank. Its very hard to notice their attacks especially on lower graph settings and lower fps

[@Dr4g0n727]

They managed to create something even worse then the wenut abyss now that's dedication

[@toroadi]

I mean thanks to the whales for asking for more challenging content, now we've got this annoying abyss lineup. As a f2p myself, I'm not going to tryhard my ass with a few characters that i have, i have enough problem in my life already. I'm quitting genshin fr.

[@divinesan7786]

This is what they mean “Excessive Anxiety” that y’all laughed at. Y’all just proved their points.

[@Freenos]

Best tip I can give is to use Kazuha first half for grouping, and Jean Bennet (Sunfire) second half for elemental shield breaking.

[@pontoancora]

Kazuha, venti or even sucrose. Just any cc

[@Antigen__]

It's not even hard. It's just unfair and unfun.

[@Itsjustwenxi]

Burgeon team against thunder manifestation is actually pretty good, the team that I use was Nahida, Hu Tao, Bennett & Xingqiu. A quick tip for the thunder manifestation is just stick close to it so when it does it's spinning attack it won't go like across the map

[@c6xiaohaver]

Huh sounds interesting.. any subs for benny though? My other team wants him

[@Itsjustwenxi]

@@c6xiaohaver I feel like the only other choice if you're using Bennett on the other team is Zhongli but because I don't have Zhongli I'm not really sure what other characters to use instead of benny, maybe Layla?

[@hiimapop7755]

@@c6xiaohaver You can use Thoma with either an HP or EM build. What's important is his burst, as he provides interruption resistance to your Hu Tao while she's attacking. If you worry about him stealing Burgeons, build him with EM. Otherwise, use an HP ER build. Xingqiu's rainswords should be enough for survivability for the second half if you get past the first chamber.

[@whole.milk__]

Burgeon is entirely good in the second half, I"d argue the best team for it. It even does well against the Thunder Manifestation, which quite simply just isn't very hard. I do agree that elements of this Abyss were unecessarily 'difficult' in an unfun way, but overall im glad they made something that I actually had to new and different teams with to clear 9* as a fully f2p player. My effort in building Thoma in the past months have paid off too. For the first time in a long time, I couldn't just run a Hyperbloom team and call it a day. Anyways, can't call a team comp not good without having tried it yourself. Just because you can't use the same broken comps to 9* without thinking doesn't make an abyss bad alone. I do agree that there are certain elements that were very frustrating though (like the permafreeze of chamber 1 2nd half). (FYI First half I went Raiden aggravate (kazuha, fischl, yao yao) - literally never used this team before, but it was what worked after trying my usual 'meta' teams. Second half I ran Burgeon Thoma, but with Bennett for extra elemental shield breaking and healing)

[@hillthekhore]

Dude . . . burgeon against the thunder manifestation was completely OP. I agree with you completely.

[@pontoancora]

I disagree in the Bart that wasn't fun. Harder content is exactly what we were asking for.

[@whole.milk__]

@@hillthekhore in theory yeah it definitely wouldn't be considered "BiS" vs it, but when it is so good for chambers 1 and 3, it does hella well against thunder manifestation.

[@4nn3.]

this is the second abyss i've been able to 36 star, first being the wenut abyss. usually i end up with 33-34. but i'm not sure why, i just did well on this one..

[@sassyquatch1185]

It's mostly in the team comp and synergy

[@Zarya.]

I’ve stopped enjoying the abyss ever since consecrated beasts were introduced into it. Theyre unreasonably tanky and they oneshot you and dodging their attacks is way too hard on mobile

[@ronniejacksonjr4910]

Once you understand their mechanics it’s not that bad, I also play mobile and have 36 starred every abyss for the past couple of years

[@xLuis89x]

@@ronniejacksonjr4910 I understand the mechanics and it's still bad, either you have the speficic characters built or you don't do shit, great fun!

[@mer7167]

I love when Hoyoverse lies and says they dont wanna stress out their players and give them anxiety and then proceed to release this

[@lazycat4331]

and players proceeds to prove their point. Jokes aside I think they were talking about adding more rather than the difficulty itself. Difficulty is always something they're kinda testing the water with. This abyss could've been way worse but they nerfed it because testers were saying it's too difficult. But seems like it still is.

[@effortlessfury]

@@lazycat4331 exactly. Feels to me like they're testing the people who actually want challenging content to see how much they mean it. Turns out they don't.

[@adriandaliva1341]

the real source of anxiety are the red exclamation points they keep shoving to our faces on all of our in-game menus 😂

[@StanleyG23]

I mean, it's up to you if want to get those extra 50-150 Primogems.

[@banjoowo4001]

yeah and they were right? They gave this to prove their point and they definitely did

[@iken1308]

This is why I don't do spiral abyss 12 ever. The payoff is so bad, the reward is basically the same as the rest but the amount of effort you put in to get them is absolutely big. Not to mention the amount of prep you would need to accomplish it. If you can clear the spiral abyss up to 11-3. You're good, don't waste your time on primogems that aren't even enough for 1 pull, although very close.

[@krummesblech]

The funniest Abyss for me was when there were 20x Geo Rifthounds in 12-3 and it felt so great to fight endless waves with Noelle. Now the Abyss just feels like random pain and for the first time in 2,5 years of the game I feel like I need to pull Zhongli because I've never had as many restarts as I did against the Heralds or the Beasts

[@oldkingcoal4376]

Agreed, fighting against the rifthounds was so much better. It's something you could do with almost any team comp, unrestricted.

[@luisestevan3272]

@@oldkingcoal4376 hey I'm kinda new to the gacha genre. Are playerbases generally this soft? and drink nothing but soy?

[@oldkingcoal4376]

@@luisestevan3272 The genshin playerbase definitely is. But it has nothing to do with spiral abyss.

[@Raudent]

@@luisestevan3272 bro, this comment has an air of sarcasm in it ☠

[@zenixkiryu]

​@@luisestevan3272cool troll account you got there. How long have you been doing that for?

[@marky4627]

Once i figured out the best teams this abyss wasn't that bad. I felt satisfied finally 36 staring it in one run.

[@evergreen7260]

community: MAKE CONTENT DIFFICULT hoyo: alright, done community: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT TOO HARD SCREW YOU

[@Justk1Drauhl]

i wish the damn heralds at least were on chamber 3, i like doing abyss for fun inbetween resets sometimes but there's no point on doing it if I can't even try different teams because i need very specific characters to get past chamber 1

[@pontoancora]

You don't need specific characters, just elements. What is very normal in a game about elements

[@nationalgeografic7687]

​@@pontoancora dehya, xinyan 🤡

[@Tohlemiach]

This is the first abyss rotation that I have not 36 starred since the very first time I got 36 stars. The last chamber is actually straight up cancer that I cannot chew through with even my absolute most busted units. Not only is it utter bullshit to have FOUR consecrated beasts on one floor, but to be REQUIRED to bring a Burgeon team JUST for the Iniquitous Baptist is just fucking stupid. I've always loved how the Abyss lets you use a variety of different teams to take them down, and I honestly used to spend hours some nights just playing the same abyss run with different teams to see how well I could optimize random compositions. It wasn't "easy" per se, but it also wasn't impossible either. I still had to try really hard, but it was *fun*. This Abyss? You get basically one option for every single chamber and that's all you can run because literally nothing else will work. That is how tightly they tuned the numbers, and it's that lack of wiggle room that really pisses me off.

[@gyzmo8789]

Well guess i'm in the minority. I do repeat spiral for fun / testing out team comps. And i actually like this abyss rotation. Rather these wave of mobs instead of time wasters wenut or wolflord type mons. Idk but i felt like the previous abyss was harder in terms more limited on team options while this one i can full star with a variety of teams. National team still remains the undisputed for spiral abyss, slap a dendro on it for this one thou.

[@squidwardart]

it limits a lot of meta teams so people are lost, actually first abyss in a while where I tested a bunch of teams, since usually it's a straightforward dps check so I had no reason to

[@eltocsis]

This abyss 12-1 2nd half be like: Hoyoverse: You like to use permafrost huh... We will use it too

[@schnaarbar5786]

I hate how abyss is geared towards doing it chamber by chamber but it doesn't let you do that

[@GeneralMahamatra_Cyno]

It's really not. It just requires you to know what to bring.

[@crocworks]

I got all the stars with just 2 5stars: Nahida, Ayato. 12-1 used Sucrose, Xingqiu, Fischl, Beidou 12-2 used Nahida, Bennett, Xiangling, Ayato Beidou destroys the 1st half. Her burst and Xingqiu's rainswords make it very difficult for you to die, and Beidou burst is really crazy in aoe, and especially against 2 enemies. I also don't own a Kazuha. Sucrose is SOOOO good. Just use her. If you want a Kazuha, sure, he's great too as a 2nd Sucrose. That's not a knock against him, that's just how OP Sucrose is. Don't overlook her. You'll want to bring Sucrose to level 90 for Swirl damage. Nahida was just there for hydro shields, so you can pick your favorite Dendro or Cryo though I do think Nahida is the best pick because you can bloom the Hydro Lector shield completely from off-field whenever you melt the Cryo Lector shields and you can just focus on the Cryos. Ayato is replaceable with Childe or Yelan, and maybe even some other hydros if you're creative. Also, if you're struggling against the Cryo Lector shields, and you have Jean, use Sunfire. Overlap her burst and Bennett's burst and stand inside both to self-swirl Pyro onto the enemies. This Pyro inflicts greater Pyro gauge than most other Pyro attacks so it destroys shields quickly, and that should at least let you clear 12-1B cleanly. (I don't own best girl though... f2p cursed luck)

[@MintyChu]

Kazuhaless player here (started the game for him but just happened to be the day his last rerun ended...) i really dont know how to beat that second part on chamber 1, the closest I got is with Hu Tao + Nahida + Bennett + Zhongli but i feel like I have tried everything I have...

[@MintyChu]

It might've been with Xingqiu instead of Bennett sorry I'm not sure (I tried A LOT of comps)

[@xTomy7]

​@@MintyChu Try building teams purely made to destroy shields, as long as your first half is cleared in resonable time, and your second team doesnt have awful damage youll clear after a few attempts. I was losing my mind on that floor trying to force rational on second half, then tried replacing raiden with a dendro unit, and ended up getting 3 stars with kirara/xiangling/bennett/xingqiu.

[@ollymeetsworld4218]

I used a Nahida hyperburgeon team - DPS Nahida build, EM Kuki, Yelan, Bennet. You can use XIngqui instead but I wanted to avoid getting frozen more than I already was. Keep swapping units after 2-3 attacks, I find it really helps when you're dealing with aggressive enemies.

[@MintyChu]

@@ollymeetsworld4218 thank you! I might try this, though i found it really hard to survive without zhongli because i kept getting froze

[@MintyChu]

@@xTomy7 thank you for the advice!

[@thorizon2187]

Characters: Increased resistance to interruption Enemies: *have 9999 value of poise*

[@poklours4257]

I have yet to try it, but everytime people complain about the abyss, I kind of wonder what exactly they want for satisfyingly challenging

[@anhelaanhela4996]

I'll repeat my comment: just something w/o tag and hide-and-seek. I think it'd be cool to have a boss that has different mechanics depending on what elements you have in the team, kinda like the Green Chicken or whats-his-name, but make all the variants equally challenging in different ways.

[@黒金美夜子]

In my personal opinion, I do abyss for the rewards or if I want to use a character I newly built. It's not fun considering we have to wait two weeks for it to reset. I'm glad Hoyo added TCG to the game though. It's been super fun but at the same time, I really wish there were more permanent combat events and not something like Abyss. I really liked the combat in 2.2, the Labyrinth event with Childe and 2.7's combat event in the chasm where you get to swap characters in each phase (I don't know if I am making sense here ha-ha)

[@rellorkcir]

Personally I would want something like a boss rush and see how long you can survive in there. The longer you survive, the more rewards you get.

[@Grim_Bud]

No freeze, enemies with jank hitbox, enemies 2 tapping your ass, time wasting position and mechanics would be great. People can act cocky saying skill issue all they want but as we get characters with more HP the new monsters also get higher dmg to compensate (without taking reaction into account) and then your 15-18k DPS will get OS, so we need to bring defensive utility which lowers overall dmg and so your time in a damn timed challenge. Don't take damage, fair enough but its not Assassin's creed and enemies won't wait their turn so at some point you're getting booked for a trip by one of the beast huge active frame attack so your dodge is getting eaten. You could argue skill issue you have to position better to not die, sure but you have to group them close enough to hurt them both and having your back to the wall so they don't freaking spin and dash arround wasting your time increasing the scenario of dodging ones attack to eat his friend 100 active frames attack . So in the end you still brute force the damn chamber hoping you survive their bullshit and don't waste too much time but with bigger element restriction. A year ago I would ago I would bring new teams or units to try them out in floor12, now I don't care anymore.

[@ichiKuro12]

@Grim bud sounds like a skill issue to me, Git gud.

[@D.U.D.E-]

Taking this abyss chamber by chamber was the way to go for me. I'm not gonna throw my head against the wall over and over at something designed to be bullshit.

[@黒金美夜子]

I actually struggled a lot in 12-3... I cannot seem to fight those stupid beasts on time 😭 I've been 36 starring the abyss since 2021 and never struggled but THIS! THIS IS HELL. I'm questioning my sanity because I keep switching teams and all trying to beat that floor on time 😭

[@rinkyouma2320]

I stop when I die twice in the spiral abyss.

[@Kuddochan]

I found it worked surprisingly well by doing the direct opposite of the intuitive thing, by putting Kazuha and Bennett first half and hyperbloom second instead. Merely that you do the latter with 2 electros instead. C6 Fischl has so much electro app that together with Shinobu you can burn down the cryo herald shields quite fast with superconduct, while Nahida destroys the hydro one. Then you've got a freewin team for the next two chambers that'll destroy both the bosses in about 30 seconds with how much single target dps hyperbloom does, and you've got all the elements needed for 12-3-2. And by doing this, you can keep your super stacked national AoE team all on first half instead, where most of the damage and CC is actually needed for 12-1-1 and 12-3-1

[@joe_simon]

Yeah and not using Bennett against the Herald/Lector prevents you from being Melted/Vaped to death. Okay the Dendrochicken can still burn you to death but this thing doesn't one shot you.

[@frostyvoid827]

“Fighting Absolute Radiance in Hollow Knight” *_you have alerted the kingdom of Hallownest_*

[@CosmicGabe]

This abyss isn't hard, it's annoying beyond belief. This is not how you design difficulty, you don't keep enemies that are essentially damage sponges and two shot you if you blink in the game.

[@mayysgy]

I wanted a hard abyss, and this delivered, but this is annoying difficult, not challenging difficult, which is exactly the kind of difficult that i dont like.

[@KingofBlah37]

Dealt with the second half using Hu Tao/Xiangling/Xingqiu/Zhongli. All roads lead to Xiangling. First half was Raiden Hyper, but the first half is a bit more flexible. An Aggravate team worked well enough when I tried it, and Beidou Taser should be very, very strong. With the set-up I used, I could’ve put Yelan in the second half instead in order to free up Xingqiu for a Taser team. Definitely the most frustrating Abyss in a very long time.

[@ragingpatty1106]

i was able to 36 star this abyss without floor targeting with a mono itto and burgeon diluc, it was an absolute struggle and i do not plan to do it again because 150 primogems for this is certainly not worth it anymore

[@yashaskararyan]

i have a love-hate relationship w this new abyss. i like that they're pushing towards specific team comps and that different chambers require different chars forcing us to use a non conventional team and trying out other synergies all the while maxing out your dps. till now, most of the previous abyss could easily be cleared with hyperbloom and with your eyes closed but now burgeon shines in the second half and there's also an emphasis on defensive utilities like shielding or healing bc if not, those two consecrated beasts will literally combo wombo you to the grave. the thing i dislike is the insane amount of dmg, stagger and freezing these enemies do especially in the first chambers and later by the consecrated beasts. its really unfair when you can get frozen, slowed by cryo, have your stamina drained leaving you with no stamina to dodge all the while the enemies toss you around devouring your hp. then in the next two chambers we have the sleeping dorrito boss and the running around screaming chicken that do absolutely nothing, sit around and is a simple dps check. in that sense its a bit unbalanced

[@HiImYancy]

There’s a little d-rider redditor that made a post that if players weren’t able to handle this abyss cycle, it’s their fault. I’m a casual player who’s managed to 36 star the abyss starting from 1.2 or so, and the difficulty spike in this one is just SOOO uncanny. It’s not even a spike you can get around with, as like with the previous ones. This feels like it was lazily planned.

[@robertmelconde8151]

im happy to get 33 stars on 3.7 abyss

[@alfredonotari6690]

x2 🤣

[@ProjSHiNKiROU]

My subjective complaint: this abyss isn’t designed to sell Yoimiya instead it’s much closer to “Hoyoverse forcing people to use Dendro teams” abyss

[@divinesan7786]

It has always been dendro team abyss from 3.0

[@sakiamira]

Indeed the monkeys paw this abyss cycle is. Those who DID wish for hardcore content are LOVING this abyss saying “Genshin finally listened to its hardcore players,” when I feel like they just increased the health pool and number of their strongest enemy rooster to date just to call it a day! I only do Abyss to do BP points. I don’t even wanna go to floor 12 anymore

[@deathmetalalchemist5861]

no, hardcore content doesn't have to be annoying...as one who appreciates harder content, it doesn't mean I want to be frozen every two seconds or have abilities delayed in the game about using abilities...the laziness of the abyss designs are irritating two, here's the same two consecrated beasts as last abyss again in two waves, here's terrorshroom again, here's thunderbat again only on f12 this time etc.

[@pseud0ku630]

I'm pretty sure most endgame players don't want annoying, restrictive content showcasing the most frustrating the game can get (debuffs affecting cooldowns and energy, freeze, consecutive attacks that can't be reasonably i-framed) and more just really want a way to use their characters that they spend weeks, possibly even real life money, to build in a meaningful way (as in - there are rewards) that doesn't take 2 minutes to complete

[@wilburforce8046]

Bro this abyss has one of the easiest dps checks yet. You just capping.

[@noktu707]

It's been long since I had to use the term Spiral Abuse, but it came back and hit hard

[@Moos__]

Idk why but in my opinion, Hoyo always have a way to make it worse each time than actively really trying to improve both already released or the new upcoming content.

[@xLuis89x]

at least they haven't tried to ''improve'' the food delivery event... *Yet...*

[@isabellabeauclair4039]

I think Hoyoverse got tired of the comments saying “spiral abyss is too easy”, “I get so bored doing spiral abyss”, “I wish this game had better end game content” and similar comments. So in return, Hoyo gave us the hardest spiral abyss ever and now those people who said it was too easy complain it’s too hard. You get what you deserve tbh. I’m a light spender with only 20 characters and five 5 stars out of those, so I’m never getting past floor 11.

[@ayatomisubi5156]

honestly im quite happy with it being harder, makes the 12 floor actually feel like the last fight and gives me more reasons to either build up previous characters there work perfect in this type of enemy teratory or fix up some old characters who clearly isn't as strong is past champers would have made me belive

[@sassyquatch1185]

I agree

[@torokami1109]

As a new F2P I don't even have two functioning teams with having so few viable characters and this then also requires 2 really specifically good teams...

[@unicorn7171]

*No anxiety*

[@purifly7352]

im glad i saved up for constellations for my favorite characters and them still 36 staring abyss even if it takes a couple of tries

[@purifly7352]

i use a c3 raiden for 1st half and a c6 xiao for the 2nd half

[@ar0acecactus]

I saw a theory that they made this abyss so we would not do it and play TCG instead💀

[@HulatSaWala]

Most probably HSR.

[@williamhawkins542]

I think the future of the abyss is having two teams to 3-star a floor, another 2 teams to 3-star another floor, and 2-more teams to 3-star the last floor It hurts new players more than veterans

[@ms.sysbit5511]

Hurts? I think you mean impossible altogether. The Abyss’ design is requiring multiple, different teams when a character takes months to build.

[@ichiKuro12]

It’s hilarious seeing people who have spent $100+ and can’t full star this abyss. Meanwhile people who are F2P or low spenders have full star this abyss. Shows you that money can’t buy you skill. So git gud noobs lol.

[@devilkazumi578]

You mad because they can get any character they want?

[@grimfrostad6173]

One of these days I'm going to have a stroke while doing spiral abyss, thanks hoyo, really relaxing, not stress inducing at all

[@ziephel-6780]

Even Childe would rage quit if he played this Spiral Abyss.

[@jacobwhkhu]

The only good thing about this is the memes and entertaining reaction videos from getting absolutely bodied by these abyss monsters

[@azure5697]

2:30 I was about to say "haha fighting rotating shits with scara and without a shield..." then disappeared

[@jaimeluna6618]

Tons of players have already uploaded some creative runs using a variety of characters that could clear this abyss. Some varieties even use characters that are accessible to F2Ps (like Razor, Jean sunfire, etc). Caveat though is that they would require a high-level of understanding of game mechanics. So, maybe this abyss is like the developers' idea of pushing the casual player to "git gud." Genshin's previous game called Honkai Impact was a lot like this actually, it required high-level skill, necessity to abuse game mechanics, timing, and taking advantage of enemy weaknesses to the T. Regardless, there are some creative players out there who create strats so the rest of us don't have to. Just follow them and it'll make your life easier. I personally followed the Jean Sunfire one and made the Cryo/Hydro heralds a walk-in-the park

[@KrystalKlearrr]

2:32 - On a unrelated note, can we just talk about how Wanderer just got LAUNCHED here??

[@zoeyvfx2381]

Someone at Hoyo does not understand that extremely obnoxious and genuinely challenging are not the same thing.

[@rowbow621]

Usually I’m able to 3 star everything but floor 12. But now I can’t even do floor 11.

[@blessed_kiddo]

this abyss didn’t feel THAT tedious for me except for the horrible 12-1 that i had to restart over and over with 3 different teams after slicing through the rest of floor 12 with Freeze Ayaka on one side and Burgeon Hu Tao (+ Nahida, Yelan, Xingqiu) on the other that said, i pray we never have to see the nightmarish heralds gang ever again

[@dangerlovesong6932]

I have never thought i would resonate in a youtube video this much 😭

[@JD-gk7eh]

Usually I cruise through Floor 11 but this time I had a much harder time; I actually thought I was in Floor 12 as I was doing it and was like "Wow, I'm really crushing this round." Then I realized what floor I was on and it was like....oof.

[@coldsobanoodle7407]

Only Abyss I had to do the first chamber separately from everything. I was stuck on 35 stars for the longest time, until I decided to make a funny pyro infusion Kazuha with a stolen Mistsplitter from Ayaka for that first half.

[@mohammedfarag6375]

i mean everyone is always complaining that the abyss was too easy now that it's too hard 🤔

[@DannyPhantasm789]

Can we add more levels to the spiral abyss instead of these abysmal enemies that we have today? It’s one of the reasons why I stopped going there in the first place.

[@depressedbreakfast2614]

I 9 stared this abyss 12 with: 12-1: • First half: Nahida, Raiden, Yelan, Kokomi. • Second half: Wanderer, Xiangling, Kazuha, Zhongli. 12-2: • First half: Itto, Albedo, Zhongli, Gorou. • Second half: Nahida, Raiden, Xiangling (she’s level 50, purely there as a shield breaker for the Baptist fight), Kokomi. 12-3: • First half: Itto, Albedo, Zhongli, Gorou. • Second half: Nahida, Raiden, Xiangling (she’s level 50, purely there as a shield breaker for the Baptist fight), Kokomi.

[@Ulquiorra_Cifer]

spiral abyss of 1.3 floor 11 chamber 2 first half is still haunting me to this day, i remember trying to finish that cycle with ningguang or geo mc to block the shot or anemo mc to group them a bit and it took me more than 100 attempts to finish

[@hurricaneb6243]

Strong enemies: 😊 Enemies that run around: 😊 Multiwave enemies: 😊 Strong Multiwave enemies that jump around: 🙃

[@AzureAetherXx]

I have a very diverse roster and I have constellations and weapon refinements on a lot of my main DPS characters, C3R1 Raiden, C4R1 Ayaka, C6R5 Redhorn Noelle and this abyss was absolutely miserable to complete. I have no idea who designed it but they need to never cook again. You know its bad when whales are having a hard time completing the abyss. I have no idea how a F2P player with a much more limited roster than I is expected to beat this Abyss.

[@GeneralMahamatra_Cyno]

Money can't buy skill... is the lesson of this abyss. F2p players can easily beat this abyss with a few key characters like Nahida, Baizhu or Kazuha. Some can do it even without them.

[@AzureAetherXx]

@@GeneralMahamatra_Cyno Ah yes they just need multiple limited 5 stars. Truly something every F2P player has. This abyss is probably the best argument to getting more constellations and 5 star weapons to clear with. If this is the trend of the Abyss going forward then I worry about low spenders and F2P players because it will get very difficult.

[@lmaonade.]

The ruin serpent spends 70% of the fight not fighting you.

[@mysticalflare8346]

i 36 starred this abyss 1st time it was here and i dont plan on 36 starring it again until the abyss changes

[@vermouthz4869]

I might be one of the few who is enjoying this abyss. Just keep it coming, please! The first team really needs Kazuha/Sucrose and I just play Raiden Aggravate team there. The second team is like you said, Burgeon team is the key. Happy my Thoma is carrying me there :D

[@willdalit9618]

YES. Thank you. I was going crazy trying to 36 star this abyss even though I have almost every 5 star and it’s still so difficult. For Floor 1 and 3 not only is it hard, but it’s very time-consuming because they bring so many enemies and I hate how many waves they send out of enemies. The fact that we have to kill two consecrated beasts at the same time not once but twice, and then somehow defeat one of the most annoying bosses ever is just too much: I cannot believe that the developers thought this abyss was legal especially for f2p players or those who don’t have kazuha or nahida. This is going to be the first time in forever where I just cannot 36 star this abyss thanks to floor 12.

[@SYMgenshin]

I cleared this Abyss without using both of them actually 😂

[@wilburforce8046]

@@SYMgenshinwhat ya use?

[@SYMgenshin]

@@wilburforce8046 1st half Dendro MC Fischl Beidou Sucrose 2nd half Chongyun Bennett Xiangling Xingqiu

[@wilburforce8046]

@@SYMgenshin well that’s one way to do it though I wouldn’t call it easy. Dropping kazu is actually the easy part this abyss it’s the lack of five star dendro that makes this abyss more challenging. I haven’t done an all four star run yet, probably won’t, but I’ve managed just fine with bare minimum four star teams with some five star supports sprinkled in. (Not kazu) People just kinda suck at this abyss

[@lucasayabe]

@@wilburforce8046 i think the contrary having Kazuha and not a 5* dendro is the easiest for me, because you can run National with Yao Yao in the second side, and if you save your ult for the hydro herald, he dies pretty fast, so make a really fast 1st side is more important for me, and Kazuha helps a lot with this.

[@jamesneuman7083]

Games aren't fun because they're hard, they're fun because they're challenging. Raising the hp in a time based challenge is the laziest way possible to make something difficult

[@HugoL888]

Coming back to this now that we have one of the most enjoyable abyss (for me) right after the one of the video is quite fun

[@rafaeliamamura]

Someone already talked about this, but THEY NEED TO ADD A 13TH FLOOR. The difficulty spike from floor 11 to floor 12 doesn't feel even remotely linear. At floor 11 you have to climb a simple single-story house from the outside, with safety gear and someone looking out for you. Floor 12 you have to climb the whole empire state at a rainy day, with no safety gear and people throwing rocks at you. Every new rotation the abyss gets even more virtually difficult in the most annoying way possible. All the mobs are already pretty bulky and resistant; just leveling them up was enough. But upon that they raise even more their HP and buffs even more their elemental resistance, making it extremely annoying to deal with. They should add a 13th floor or at least raise the fucking level cap to 100.

[@lenwok3222]

I really enjoyed the new challenge on my 2nd f2p account, and the feeling of reward when i finally found the right team to 36* this abyss (...after 120+ tries). I really needed another nahida and over-relied on squishy “meta” teams inc kaz, benny, XL which involved so much RNG to survive the floors. In the end 2 solid, balanced teams allowed me to get there (ZL hyperbloom & xq+beidou+thoma burgeon). Can't wait for the next abyss iteration. Hoping to make c0 kaveh work as 2nd half hyperbloom driver next time

[@sakura_branches]

yeah... so this abyss is horrible but if anyone wants some pointers for how to clear, here's what worked for me. I used yae/beidou/baizhu/kazuha and kuki/fischl/xingqui/nahida and got a full nine star clear 1. stay close to the wall, especially if you don't have kazuha or venti. it helps group all the enemies up, especially those whopperflowers. typically, staying to the wall plus sucrose's grouping should be enough to keep the whopperflowers in check. if the whopperflowers start doing that thing where they charge up an attack, stagger them or else they won't be group-able 2. dendro and pyro are the best counters for hydro and cryo shields respectively, but this doesn't mean that you must have a burgeon team. good electro application can actually break cryo shields sorta fast (hence why there's no pyro on my second side team). focus on using dendro to take down the hydro guy cuz once he's gone they'll stop freezing you, and then focus on the cryo guys. if you're really struggling the break those shields, sunfire jean (benny and jean) is probably the fastest combo 3. Bennett is really good for the second side (ofc) but because characters in his burst are applied with pyro, the cryo guys can actually melt their attacks. if you find yourself dying a lot within benny's burst consider bringing a shielder of some sort. additionally, because electro is a halfway decent option, bringing a hyperbloom team with fischl, who applies a ton of electro, might be a viable option if you don't have shielding. and even though fischl can't damage thunder manifestation, I didn't have a problem clearing it in any of my multiple runs. anyways, good luck with your abyss runs. or keep your sanity and don't bother idk

[@pontoancora]

Easier tip: freeze first, burgeon second

[@horizon146]

I quit this game when they started forcing me to build new characters and teams I didn't like, with insanely limited resources. Each character would take about 2 weeks to build, from XP books to ascension mats to talent level ups and then finally to their artifacts, while spending enormous amounts of Mora. All that for a character I simply did not want to play. This was a reoccurring theme for most of 3.x. And the artifacts are impossible to farm. OVER a year later and I still do not own a 4pc Blizzard for my Ayaka, as I literally never got a crit damage circlet. Let alone a good one.

[@ammerssss]

as someone who doesn't own a kazuha, this abyss is a NIGHTMARE for me so I haven't even touched floor 12 even tho I'm ar60 and have many other characters to use, but I tried to complete it without him, and it was horrible.

[@uribove]

We asked for more end game content, MHYs response is "oh so you want the abyss to be whale only? Okay we got you"

[@GeneralMahamatra_Cyno]

It's really not whale only, it's actually anti whale, at least the second floor is. Shields don't care about how much damage you paid for. This abyss is catered towards skill. How well do you know the enemy and what counters them.

[@uribove]

@@GeneralMahamatra_Cyno I've been playing for 1.5y and have 36 starred most abysses in the past 6 to 9 months, and i only buy welkin and BP so i by no means would call myself a whale amd think I'm fairly half decent at the game

[@GeneralMahamatra_Cyno]

@@uribove then you shouldn't have too much trouble with this abyss. It just requires you to think a bit harder. It's not a huge dps check like past abyss cycles.

[@aidroosalaidroos9136]

On top of Increased cooldowns,stun lock,Frozen,stamina decrease,slow(cryo debuff) and getting knocked all over the map whilst dodging you cant even proc sacrificial,favounius weapons against shield which is the worst thing while clearing in a given time.

[@lucasgasperim5124]

This abyss is not hard, it is just unfair and unforgiving. Fighting against multiple different elemental shields with so many waves of enemies is not fun

[@nottyseel949]

The goal to me seems to have always been turning the combat into a gacha so every player has roughly the same experience and chance at success. They are trying to remove skill and power as a factor until the enemies determine who wins by RNG. That's why they're adding more cycles and combinations until no matter how strong your team or skilled your mechanical execution, nothing will overcome bad RNG so you'll just play over and over until you hit, just like summoning for characters. It also allows you to avoid having to balance anything since character power is such a small part of success.

[@2triedforthis830]

The first chamber and the first half especially made me throw my device