The "WORST" Star Wars Story Ever?

[@austinmcconnell]

Everyone in comments is complaining about The Last Jedi, and I'm just sitting here wanting your hot takes on Waru, the inter-dimensional golden blob.

[@nicholasleon5584]

Will we get an in-depth analysis of The New Jedi Order story arc? Or the Legacy of the Force story arc? (haha no they're like thirty novels total)

[@dwighthouse]

Sounds more interesting than The Last Jedi in concept. As with anything, the quality of the idea matters less than the quality of the execution.

[@camdonking1919]

austinmcconnell you're comparing a novel most people have never heard of, and is technically not even cannon anymore, to a major theatrically released film that canonicaly is the future of the franchise. Those two things don't correlate my man. The story in this book probably sucks and the last jedi's did too

[@kaimcdragonfist4803]

For real though, Waru feels almost like something out of a Star Trek fan....fict........yep. This dude definitely wrote Star Trek novels.

[@Ninjahero51264]

Waru wouldn't feel out of place in a Lovecraft novel or Dune or something. ... Then again considering Star Wars was inspired by Dune...

[@TheLemonyBard]

Seriously, someone HAS to tell me why C-3PO is purple!

[@phillipzolper5913]

No

[@theforgottenjedi1823]

Disguise. Luke and han went into Crseih station undercover. With the force luke changed his appearance and han just grew a beard.

[@user-fm9rw4xx2r]

The Forgotten Jedi, “with the force” Mr. Madison, what you just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response did anything come close to a rational thought. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

[@exist_much5625]

You mean See-Threepio

[@EtherBotGames]

@@user-fm9rw4xx2r what the hell. The dude made perfect sense. Yeah what he was describing was nonsense but he was coherent while describing it

[@hamletprinceofdenmark5896]

repeatedly switching his lightsaber on and off? I do that in jedi academy.

[@lugyd1xdone195]

Basically the only good character moment in the book

[@jetrenapasteta886]

High five

[@beek.4860]

Thanks, Hamlet, Prince of Denmark.

[@Oceanblue_Art_]

Yeah, this is totally just a filler episode of Star Trek.

[@Linneom]

Time to introduce em to Jar Jar binks.

[@bellyjelly0812]

I could see them getting rid of the twins kidnapping thing, make the villain sacrificing Anakin to waru be a culturally prime-directive-protected kidnapping of a member of the cast. I mean- an alien that's just some crazy gold blob from another dimension is so much more star trek than wars

[@thekidfromiowa]

Waru wouldn't be out of place in Doctor Who either.

[@ChesuMori]

"Politically-motivated kidnapping is a part of our culture, just go with it" is SUCH a Star Trek concept...

[@ThreeProphets]

This very much reads like a Star Trek novel, and so do the Marvel comics of the same time

[@HenryLouis21]

@@ThreeProphets I mean, this story is written by a Star Trek author, so I am not really surprised that this book sounds like a Star Trek story with Star Wars characters. Tho it would be cool to see a Star Wars series that is kinda like Star Trek with a group of explorers traveling beyond the Star Wars galaxy to explore new worlds outside the Galaxy.

[@DamienDrake]

It sounds like an AWFUL Star Trek concept.

[@vulcanhumor]

Having recently seen the TNG episode "Code of Honor," I can confirm that this is a Star Trek concept.

[@charlesdunn1199]

@@HenryLouis21 we need to even things out. Someone please get a star wars writer to write a star trek book. I would read it.

[@LordofBroccoli]

I don't like fanboys. They're coarse and rough and irritating. And they get everywhere.

[@lodomir5519]

10 Best pick UP lines

[@ajzeg01]

F What do you think?

[@h4724-q6j]

F Why don't you take a guess

[@BlueDragon1504]

F It wasn't

[@benjaminvroman5553]

You’re my hero

[@canderousordo8271]

I actually liked some of the "weirder" stuff from the EU. The problem is, that the era after Endor was sort of written to death. Every author wanted to write an epic story, but they happened so shortly after one another, that it became ridiculous

[@blackshogun272]

Canderous Ordo a novel that woulda cleared up all that weird shit in Legends was so close to being published before the mouse said "EU Not Canon; Get Good". Like the book is such a trip but the lore and passion put into it so it can explain Star Wars history in a deeper way is so satisfying to read...

[@KnightSky115]

@@blackshogun272 That sounds interesting. Do you know what the book was going to be called? Is there any information about it?

[@matro2]

@@blackshogun272 You should've told us more. A citation, perhaps.

[@AAhmou]

Several galaxy spanning threats once every couple of months, Imperial Warlords getting screwed and getting backstabbed, occasional Sith wannabes either inquisitors or dark jedi trying to take over parts of imperial remnants and destroying the new jedi order, either ancient artifacts or extragalactic beings occasionally popping up here and there, etc.

[@lartts7483]

@@blackshogun272 Source?

[@SiegeOfSelf]

I seriously misheard "Luke falls in live with a force ghost" as"Luke falls in live with a *horse* ghost". Now THAT is a book I'd read.

[@plzletmebefrank]

Rule 34, mate.

[@connordaly6365]

Fan fiction, mate

[@defensivekobra3873]

"Falls in live" i think you meant "Falls in love"

[@stefanalexanderlungu1503]

My Brother My Brother and Me fan, by any chance?

[@hokusman100]

😂😂😂

[@elementalwizard077]

Leia and Han's kids: literally get kidnapped and are gonna get sacrificed to a gold blob Diplomats: "ya got pRaNkD"

[@liberpolo5540]

LMAOOO! True, dat!

[@braydenmunro2385]

Underrated comment 😆

[@Gunbudder]

The second I read the title I said out loud, if he isn't talking about crystal star, then Austin doesn't know the depths of bad SW novels. Fun fact, crystal star is my mom's FAVORITE BOOK. She owns probably the only hardback edition. I read the damn thing TWICE trying to figure out why she loved it. Then it dawned on me. It's a damn romance novel! I still give her crap for paying 20 bucks for the first edition hardcover

[@sonic8005]

I also own that, thanks to my dad who was collecting those books at the time. He owned a hardback copy of Heir to the Empire as well. Thing is that at the time, they were on the New York Time's best seller list. Back when that actually meant something and pretty much everything reaches that nowadays it would seem. A lot of the anger against this book though stems from how low the quality is compared to even the likes of the Jedi Academy trilogy.

[@carbon1255]

Uhhh, you might want to pass on that it runs as part of a series, with the young jedi knights, and then finishing with Star by Star (a reference to crystal star, and actually a good one) which are the only books to acknowledge the existence of crystal star, basically. And no star wars book collection is complete without it.

[@Gunbudder]

Carbon 12 true it is the first book in a three book series I think. I read them all of course to complete the collection. A lot of the lesser known books run together in my head. I always liked the sub plot where lobot and threepio and artoo go on an adventure inside an alien maze ship, but I can never remember which book it's in

[@toddnolastname4485]

I have a hard back copy. This book is much of the reason I stopped getting hard back copies of the Star Wars books. It meant I had to wait a year, unfortunately.

[@ToonJotaro18]

While I was watching the video, I kept thinking, "Why does this plot sound so familiar?" It turns out around Freshman year I checked out this book at my school and read it.

[@koliman1588]

Luke is by far my favorite part of the EU, “This person uses the force! Maybe! Come to my academy! Please!”

[@KetsubanSolo]

He's like the stereotypical Shonen anime protagonist. "Hey! You're strong! You should join my team of good guys!" Except Luke is bad at it

[@koliman1588]

@@KetsubanSolo very true

[@lukelee7967]

"I promise, I won't get you killed"

[@AAhmou]

*Proceeds to let jedi apprentice foil a terrorist plot*

[@Dexter037S4]

"And He's Purple." Alright, this is the best book ever.

[@nonymouswisp8176]

Ah yes the best sonic oc

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

that definitely felt more like a star trek story than a star wars one.

[@noel849]

ikr

[@un0RRS]

The brother in law on the phone gag made me laugh.

[@Spoomis]

Why is 3PO purple? Why am I seemingly the only one to question this?

[@cattusfattus6369]

Your just not though

[@ThatOneCoconut]

I question all that is unfamiliar to me.

[@ijent3819]

Be quiet you strategically adept blueberry

[@Frostedlyre]

But why tho

[@charlesdunn1199]

In a previouse novel 3PO fell into a giant tub of purple paint, and luke was too lazy to repaint him. (I'm kidding) On a unrelated note in ledgends han solo actually repainted the millennium falcone black for a while after the death of chewbacca

[@weltervids]

Sure a lot of the books were bad, but sifting through the garbage to get to the good stuff was worth it. The Thrawn Trilogy, Admiral Daala, The Yuuzhan Vong Invasion. The good stuff was really good.

[@bainbonic]

That right there is kinda my problem with the way the internet mob treats the EU. If any of this was published by Disney, not a single soul would excuse them and would instead just hyper-focus. That's not to say you can't like the EU and not like Disney Canon, but the internet mob so often goes on to paint its views as objective and factual in the same breath.

[@maximumeffort7096]

​@@bainbonic You know what the difference is? The EU and Legends were written by *hundreds* of different people over a series of over thirty years. If you got 100 people over the course of twenty years, of course some of the things will be bad and some of the other stuff will be great. Now imagine someone else coming in, taking *all* of that 30+ years stuff, good and bad, and then just plain shredded it. They took it all and ripped it apart, and then said; "Oh yeah, all of this was shit, time for us to make our own that will be good 100%." And then they start releasing crap that was just as bad as the worst parts of legends and doesn't even come close to the best parts.

[@maximumeffort7096]

@Some characters aren't allowed Ah yes, because canon needs to steal from legends to be good. Name 5 decent disney EU things.

[@treychris8944]

@@maximumeffort7096 dark disciple, lost stars, ashoka, lords of the sith, and for a TV show the mandalorian

[@maximumeffort7096]

@@treychris8944 Ashoka came before Disney and Lords of the Sith are just rip offs of Legends stuff.

[@eyeofthebeholder_]

"This is good because that was worse" is not a valid argument.

[@carbon1255]

It isn't worse.

[@nihongochopsocky808]

You cant compare a side story novel to episode 8 the movie.I mean how anticipated was Crystal Star compared to TLJ?Nobody cared about Crystal Star!

[@YanatheJudasGoat]

"Star Trek universe...whatever THAT is..." I feel like i've been attacked

[@bdletoast09]

You know it's a joke right?

[@YanatheJudasGoat]

Of course i do, just looking for Star Trek fans in Austin's audience

[@bdletoast09]

Oh sorry, I'm just expecting some one to not get the joke and be triggered x)

[@williamhenning4700]

[[I'm just expecting some one to not get the joke ]] Like yourself? Lol.

[@minespatch]

So in this Novelization Luke doesn't attempt to kill a family member, and Han Solo isn't a pathetic loser who actually attempts to raise his children? Wow, that really makes me appreciate what a cinematic masterpiece that "Last Jedi" really is.

[@yiggywiggly]

This is my favorite Star Trek episode!!! Lol this book sounds just so aggressively Star Trek it kinda hurts but I'd probably read it if they changed the characters.

[@rosaliejonathan6539]

Well things like this are actually a day-to-day basis on Star Trek franchise haha.

[@mechajay3358]

TLJ was a huge disrespect to the fans of the franchise.This book has alot problems but that's just it, it's a _Book_ . TLJ is a _Movie_ and I expected alot more from it.

[@MathiasRyuzaki]

Oh my god! As one of "those guys" who read a LOT of Star Wars Books I KNEW this video was going to be about Crystal Star! Man, It's really weird and outta character. Thanks for reminding me of this one.

[@Donnerbalken28]

There's a lot of bizarre stuff in the old canon. The whole Darksaber-storyline was absolutely insane, but in a good way, or the Corellian Crisis with Centerpoint station and Han Solos cousin. And, of course, this.

[@crosseightyeight]

Don't let Austin dissuade you from exploring some of the Star Wars books. The Young Jedi Knights series and Rogue Squadron series are excellent.

[@austinmcconnell]

Love me some Rogue Squadron.

[@nickjohn2051]

austinmcconnell So you like Rogue Squadron but dislike the obscure comic from 24 years ago? What kind of biased review is this? TLJ literally make the core fanbase drop the franchise, and practically marginalized the old fanbase by those "liberal" title clickbait journalism. Pushing an sjw agenda is not on your calculation? Tell me what happened to SJW agenda in Marvel comics? Marvel comics also contain some of the dumbass storyline ever especially from new SJW comics (captain america became Nazi btw, as muhh "white guilt syndrome"). Its soo bad until the they need to beg people to buy their comics and finally decided to reboot the franchise. Even if comics are bad, Marvel film still can produce great film by its own merit. For example the infinity war comics. The ending for Thanos defeat is the most stupidest way for comics book villain. Thanos shaking the earth to shake off Avengers, slipped and the infinity gauntlet fell off his hand. Another universe, Thanos defeated by Nebula as she steal the infinity gaunlet. Do the infinity war 2 will follow exactly verbatim like this ending? Of course not. The films can take inspiration but at the sametime, can have leeway if the storyline more epic than the comics (infinity war 1, age of ultron, civil wars). So why Marvel film can show homage to comics or take inspiration from comics book, but not Star Wars? By not using any EU ideas, the universe of Star Wars already finite and small, as the universe only consist of Resistance and the First Order. Nothing else. No wonder it feel small than Marvel universe. Rich Evans from Redlettermedia also said the same thing. Star Wars (Disney Nuwars) only survive by nostalgia and references to original trilogy. It cannot survive beyond this universe, ie making something new. TLJ did nothing new in the film. Final confrontational on TLJ is almost the exact verbatim as the battle of hoth, only change few details. From snow planet to salt. Different design of At-at. Same giant big laser to destroy the base. And finally the heroes escape to safety. What crap are you talking about that TLJ bring something "new"? Even China, the most biggest movie consumer (stupid Transformer franchise did well because of China btw) fucking hate Star Wars. TLJ screening stop only after few weeks. Solo only get 10 millions. China is not too dumb to not recognize sjw propaganda (baizuo) as they live in one of the country that literally blast 24 hours state propaganda. I like your other works btw, but this came to me like you are trying to polish a shitty turd. Sorry. Im not US citizen btw. And congratz to Kennedy, for making general audience like me to not give a crap for new Star Wars.

[@Hyper_Vyle]

Nick John You could've made a video essay with how much you wrote in this comment

[@nickjohn2051]

kevin rodriguez No need to. Because the OP will outcast me as "title clickbait" just as how he did with other youtube review. Save your time from watching Star Wars. It is going downhill. Just watch Infinity war or better yet save your own money. The new Nuwars cartoon, Disney the force of destiny animation is an abomination and frankly insulting. A Star Wars the Clone Wars series animation are light years ahead than this shitty cartoon. Side note, I do notice he strawman the discussion about "what about giant yellow blob"? So what? Films != to comics. It is creative process and great story brainstorm that will lead to high quality film. Heck there are tons of stupid lame ass villians/characters in Marvel comics. Heck even Mandarin in Iron man 3 is not even verbatim Mandarin in comics.

[@Hyper_Vyle]

Nick John I see your point, I honestly don't believe OP is strawmaning intentionally, he and many like him are just bothered by the echo chamber of hate the last Jedi is getting and a lot of it is exaggerated and undeserved, and are lashing out at the over saturation of THE LAST JEDI IS THE WORST BECAUSE OF Z or THE LAST JEDI IS SJW PROPAGANDA BECAUSE OF B type videos. And they have a point, the last Jedi is really not SJW propaganda and is definitely not the worse star wars film.

[@person8813]

And Luke is just a wimp Me: Nah he's just a Luke alike

[@KyleLi]

I think C3PO being purple is enough to explain why its bad.

[@diamondarrow4567]

Kyle Li wait what!

[@coleduncan2990]

Agreed

[@erik95056]

Well I try not to judge nobody by their colour.

[@kellyweingart3692]

lol

[@MsWatismyname]

Kelly Weingart just be gpad he wasn't pink

[@SunflowerSpotlight]

I’d actually be down for a season of CSI: Coruscant. Just sayin.

[@liberpolo5540]

ME TOOOOOO!

[@AmaraJordanMusic]

Liber Polo And instead of putting their glasses on or removing them as the joke is said, they put up the hoods of their cloaks. 😂

[@liberpolo5540]

@@AmaraJordanMusic COOL! :D

[@XanderPGK]

Yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaa 🎸

[@kayzeaza]

I feel like there are a couple episodes of The Clone Wars tv show that are basically that

[@linkling5497]

I guess the Solo kids were SOLO in this book! he he... kill me now

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Send him to Kessel, forthwith...

[@kellyweingart3692]

“Into the garbage chute flyboy”

[@kellyweingart3692]

“Put him in carbonite”

[@kellyweingart3692]

“Throw him in the sarlacc pit”

[@kellyweingart3692]

“Feed him to the Rancor”

[@gregthomson1064]

10:45 The second I heard “unlimited power” I knew it was coming.

[@ironox9462]

98% of these comments - Why these people think TLJ sucks 2% of these comments - actual comments about the book

[@brucesnow7125]

@@ozunaredch.7159 well, he's absolutely right. You may like or hate the film, but you can't freaking argue that SW fans took it to goddamn extremes. Making video one after another for months without an end. It's a movie, you watch it, you criticize it, you move on. You don't spend months bashing one film and those who liked it, that's just pathetic. Worst movie ever made? Freaking seriously?

[@nunyabizness3866]

Who gives a shit about a forgotten book nobody bought

[@twenty-fifth420]

Nunya bizness Well, hindsight is 20/20 But if you cared about star wars storytelling as a whole, you could do for analyzing all stories and not just Last Jedi because it ‘sucks’. Crystal Star isnt terrible, at least as a novel. As a Star Wars book however? I dont know where to start.

[@Neiroe]

Twenty-Fifth "if you don't criticize thing you've never heard of, you can't criticize thing you have" gtfo brainlet

[@Neiroe]

Firescreen Productions you forgot the part where he started the video off by calling the people who didn't like it sensationalist fanboys with bad opinions. why would they not defend themselves amd their beliefs if he opened up the video attacking them

[@Pwnhenge1997]

Dragons are canon in Star Wars. Krayt Dragons. No need to fuss over it. Besides, Star Wars is a Space-FANTASY. If giant worms that live in asteroids don’t stretch your suspension of disbelief, then dragons shouldn’t either. Love your videos btw. I’d like to hear your opinions on The Last Jedi. You didn’t really articulate why you think it’s awesome.

[@orbaitv5991]

This video was about the fans who are just whining about tlj not about the film itself

[@TyphlosionGirl]

Personally, I thought that it was a very suspenseful film that has some great art direction especially during the scene where Snoke's ship gets cut in half and the red and white aesthetic of that one moon (forgot the name). I actually felt worried for the cast of characters for once-- people actually were dying permanently in the new episodes, there were no random saviours coming to rescue everyone. Idk might just be my opinion.

[@twenty-fifth420]

Baldur That is alot of ad hominems in a single spot. Literally no one cares. Writers do whatever they want. Your argument that they are not Dragons because they dont follow the rules dragons have in fiction is just wonky. I hate TLJ, and EU has its bad material, but jesus man you are reaching.

[@Dropdeaddonuts]

El-ahrairah okay and this was originally a movie about space wizards so why can't we have space dragons anyway. not like they have to be medieval type dragons just dragons man

[@idurisu930]

The first SW movie ever made had a dragon skeleton

[@Geck0GC]

"The last jedi is the worst star wars movie" But... The holiday special.

[@izzik2781]

GeckoGC nah mate, Holliday special is easily the best one.

[@izzik2781]

@Latvian Dragon Not if you loved TLJ

[@twenty-fifth420]

Latvian Dragon Are you fucking kidding? I hate TLJ, but The Holiday Special (and fuck it, Ill add Attack of the Clones.) are the two worst things to have ever happen to star wars.

[@Neiroe]

GeckoGC my thoughts exactly lmao

[@chuckleshelicopterwigwamjo7315]

Not a fan of TLJ but honestly Attack of the Clones was worse

[@kirbyfu2615]

this was the first star wars novel I ever read; my sister found it at a thrift store. To this day, I remember it as one of the most confusing books I've ever read.

[@somecallmewhite3046]

Loving your sporadic content. No real flow, and it feels like a mystery box for what may come next. Keep it up dude!

[@williamhenning4700]

"mystery box" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Tbh that was pretty subtle. Props.

[@MunchingSawdust23]

haha yes JJ Abrams

[@golgarisoul]

I will be waiting for you do a full length video or two on why The Last Jedi doesn't suck. I'm sure it will get lots of views and angry posts.

[@shilyarrmee]

Cypher i can’t tell if this is sarcasm or you are hoping for it.

[@alecobyhbroussard7261]

shilyarr mee hopefully hoping

[@ericcota4732]

You should check out CinemaWins. He's like the opposite of CinemaSins, and his tagline is "Because liking things is more fun than not liking things." His videos have made me rethink my opinions on certain movies while others made me appreciate movies even more than I already did. He's done videos on every Star Wars film accept The Last Jedi, which I'm sure he'll get around to.

[@delabarcel]

IHE already done that and won comments from angry fanboys and an hour and a half response from some guy I forgot his name on why he was "wrong"

[@camdenford9750]

I really hope he makes this!!

[@furioussherman7265]

It's worth knowing that while there are plenty of bad EU books out there, there's also a substantial amount of good ones like the Heir to the Empire trilogy by Timothy Zahn (as well as basically all the other Star Wars books Zahn has written), Shatterpoint by Matthew Stover, Labyrinth of Evil by James Luceno, Plagueis by James Luceno, Kenobi by John Jackson Miller, Ahsoka by E.K. Johnston, and many others that I haven't mentioned.

[@iamneophyte]

the thrawn trilogy was fucking awesome

[@misterscienceguy]

The main problem is that the vast majority of the EU really was not very good or interesting, there were just THAT many novels released that were total garbage that the actual good ones stand out.

[@TrajGreekFire]

@@misterscienceguy > was not very good Both Kotor games, kotor comic series, Legacy, Legacy vol. 2, Dawn of the Jedi, Knight Errant, SW Republic, SW Dark Times, TFU novelization, Jedi Council Acts of War, Blood of Empire, SWTOR Inquisitor, Jedi Knight, Imperial Agent and Sith Warrior campaigns, Decieved, Anihilation, Tales of the Jedi, Republic Commando, Original Clone Wars cartoon, various short stories from SW tales (only canon ones), Cloak of Deception, Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, Cloak of Deception, The Dark Lord Trilogy, Revan, The Third Lesson, Darth Plagueis, Darth Bane trilogy, the Cestus Deception, Jango Fett game, Jango Fett: Open Seasons, Star Wars: Jedi, the Thrawn trilogy, Dark Forces series, Jedi Academy game, Empire at War, Traitor, Jango Fett and Zam Wessel one shots, SWTOR trailers (they are canon in old EU), Shatterpoint, Kenobi, I Jedi and a lot more post-Endor stories that I haven't read.

[@and8091]

@@misterscienceguy The EU isn't just novels there are also comicsa and video games.

[@mattmortar1325]

The Ahsoka book is canon, not Legends

[@falpsdsqglthnsac]

Not enough people are talking about the use of Dark Jedi instead of Sith.

[@qualityautismNoah]

Nobody back then knew for sure what the term "Dark Lord of the Sith" meant, so they called dark side force users "Dark Jedi" and the prequels established the Sith are an quasi Anti-Jedi order.

[@ThreeProphets]

They would later be further distinguished as dark side users that followed their own teachings, rather than the established rules of the Sith

[@lugyd1xdone195]

actually, dark sith were a completely different entity from the sith

[@jackgahagan3908]

There's a spectrum of force stuff really. Jedi Grey jedi Dark jedi Inquisitor Sith acolyte Sith lord

[@lugyd1xdone195]

@@jackgahagan3908 for what I am aware of Inquisitors couldnt use the force or at least werent required to be force sensitive

[@redpup6931]

The entire opening is just proof no one knows the Holiday Special exists.

[@welkingunther5417]

It's better off being forgotten, honestly...

[@redpup6931]

@@welkingunther5417 I mean, you are right, but I don't think I can forget the Holiday Special.

[@welkingunther5417]

@@redpup6931 Me neither...unfortunately

[@ConnorNotyerbidness]

@@redpup6931 it leaves scars the likes of which will never fully close.

[@jackdaone6469]

I’ll take “coked out of her tits” Carrie Fisher and “Barbie Doll Makeup” Mark Hamill over Leia Poppins and Jake Skywalker any day of the week. I can at least laugh at the former examples.

[@Double-R-Nothing]

"If you took the time to translate this, I take my nerd hat off to you. Thanks for being awesome, viewer, and don't forget to smash that like button" I'm fluent in Aurebesh. I translated it as it was zipping across the screen.

[@TheJiamy]

I ran this book by my trekie friend and they rated it a 4.5 out of 10 on the silly scale for star trek with 10 being “actual genocide” and 1 being the episode “spock’s brain” with the dragon being the thing that made it definitively sillier than your usual star trek episode

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

Man, dragons were a real thing in this era of Star Wars, weren't they? Every other book had some kind of dragon-like creature. Dragons and whales.

[@DIEGhostfish]

This book at least had the excuse of Waru and weird radiation to justify Luke acting so weird, without that excuse it would just be cultural vandalism like TLJ, but on a blessedly smaller scale. Nor does it have an excuse for Leia being a damn fool about trading a few bombers with what, 24 crew put together for a nearly 8km long dreadnought. And no, Holdo's plan made no sense, given "Decloaking Scans" apparently exist and keeping it secret was literally moronic. (Plus the First Order were also acting really dumb, so the whole chase felt like a contest on who could be SLIGHTLY less stupid.) And that's not getting into the problems I have with it as a tech head, or the aesthetic choice of the flat dreadnought.

[@peterdiaz3796]

The timothy zahn and x-wing/rogue squadron/wraith squadron books were some of my favorites, I just picked up these books from used bins and immersed myself in this universe. Can't believe I only found the good books.

[@papawedge7396]

Try out the Jedi Academy Trilogy next, it's a good follow up to the stories you've been reading, and it expands the lore quite a bit.

[@chrisbuttonshaw2088]

and also a large chunk of New Jedi Order series

[@bnferguson9827]

You would enjoy The Darth Bane trilogy it is such a good freaking read👍

[@SonofSethoitae]

@@chrisbuttonshaw2088 Lots of people don't like the Yuuzhan Vong storyline because it's admittedly kinda grimdark. I always loved it as a kid.

[@chrisbuttonshaw2088]

@@SonofSethoitae oh I agree it's dark as hell and is BLOODY I was a teenager when it was coming out so of course I liked it AND it's SSSSOOOO different from the Jedi vs. Sith/Rebel vs. Empire deals that had come before. I do get why some don't want that

[@madamefluffy4788]

Oh, God - that 'Luke falls in love with a force ghost' story. I can't even begin to say how much I hated that story. How the Hell does a force ghost haunt a computer? Or possess a recently dead body? Or change said corpse's hair and eye color? I mean, how could he look at her and not be reminded of his pupil?

[@SquillagusNiggle]

Not just *look* at her....

[@madamefluffy4788]

SquillagusNiggle - I know what you're implying; and looking at her would be included in that. I suppose the eye/hair color change was supposed to make Callista (ghost Jedi) look different from Cray (the corpse); but I can't imagine the physical changes to be all *that* significantly different from one another that Luke wouldn't be reminded of his former apprentice every time he slept with her. Unless he had a secret thing for Cray; but I don't think he ever had. Also, wouldn't this be like - double necrophilia? Callista was dead for 60 years - leaving only her fading ghost behind, and Cray had to die in order for Callista's ghost could inhabit her corpse. All the living, breathing females that Luke could have had at that time - he chose the living dead girl; which was all for naught, as Callista later ditched him because she felt inferior without her (light) Jedi powers and went on a quest to get it back. Thank God that relationship fell through and he found love with Mara Jade.

[@zhazhagab0r]

There is also a line in that book that refers to Luke and Calista as being more like brother and sister than lovers. It was so truly bizarre that I have never forgotten it in the last 15 years.

[@madamefluffy4788]

Looking up book reviews, I found one that gave solid reasons why the Children of the Jedi sucked so much (in regards to Luke's romance with Callista, anyway). I'd link it here; but - for whatever reason - the link won't post here (if you'd like to read it - look up 'Fuck Yeah, Mara Jade! Luke introduces Callista to Leia' - the review will be the second post down). A quick summary - Luke was in no proper state of mind to be falling in love with anyone; as he was hopped up on strong painkillers after crippling his leg and thinking that losing Callista - someone he barely knew - would be worse than all the previous hardships he had ever face, and the women (namely, Cray and Callista) are painted as women who can't survive without a man by their side (Cray committed suicide so she could be with her dead lover and Callista accepted Cray corpse s she could be with Luke). It doesn't help that Calllista is an insufferable Mary Sue, either.

[@Coproquim]

secret necro

[@zhazhagab0r]

LISTEN UP KIDDOS! It is okay to like or dislike a thing- a piece of media, cuisine, weather pattern. Your enjoyment of this thing does not need to be based on its merits- perceived, objective, or otherwise. You are free to like or dislike Mozart, Justin Bieber, hot dogs, paella, cargo shorts, designer gowns or anything else your heart desires. If you do not like something, that does not make it the worst thing ever. If you can perceive the merits of something, you may still dislike it. If you think something is objectively bad, you are still truly and honestly free to like it. NONE OF THESE THINGS MAKES YOU A SELL-OUT, AN IDIOT, AN ELITIST, OR A SNOB. Only when you declare your opinion to another and demand that they hold it as well or submit to being an awful person do you place yourself in the wrong. The people who dislike this movie are not just salty fanboys. The people who like it are not just mindless drones. Only those who demand that you share their opinion are the problem. THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST VALUABLE THING I HAVE EVER LEARNED.

[@Hyper_Vyle]

USApatriot30 Damn man, that was deep, and true. And because of that literally no one will pay attention to it on the internet. Except me and like 4 other people.

[@Jarvis466]

USApatriot30 Your comment is pure and true. I've seen shitheads online say "If you DON'T like TLJ you're not a true fan and just a hater." What kind of shit is that? So they didn't like the movie. That somehow makes them less of a fan then the next guy? GET OUT OF HERE.

[@a_dissapointment1170]

Or vice versa where people who say "If you like TLJ you're garbage and a Star Wars apologist" so I can relate to that man.

[@a_dissapointment1170]

Just a side note (cause I can't edit comments on my phone) I don't like TLJ, my friend has been called that for liking the movie, just felt like I should let you know that

[@Jarvis466]

A_Dissapointment That's perfectly fine! I didn't like all of the TLJ. I hated Holdo, Rose saving Finn, while I can see her reasoning, was stupid to me, and her kiss was cringe to me. But if anyone says you're "not a real fan" for disliking it, know that they are not valid.

[@BirthquakeRecords]

“Also Chewie is there” describes basically ALL Star Wars, in my experience.

[@jackobucko2516]

Bad media doesn't suddenly become better when you compare it to worse media

[@carbon1255]

It isn't even worse. that is the funny thing.

[@jillmo6458]

"He's gunna be their daddy now."

[@fremenchips]

When you point out all the bad stuff the EU produced I think it actually shows why the EU model was a good one, it was very flexible in allowing the cream to rise to the top. When a property like Star Wars is no longer just three films that Lucas oversaw but a sprawling multimedia property like the EU or new Disney canon it is going to produce good and bad stuff at about the same rate. The thing about Disney is that they're explicitly going with everything is canon whereas in the old EU popular things like Thrawn, the X-Wing Series, Darth Bane etc. got built into the overall Star Wars mythos whereas unpopular stuff got thrown by the wayside. For a long running franchise that wants to do more then just endlessly try to recapture the magic of the OT this is a far stronger model then the Disney production line. Ask yourself this question once Disney stops making Star Wars movies will it still be a property that can sell millions of books like the EU did even before the prequels? Will anyone care about Disney Star Wars in 20, 30 or 40 years like we did pre Disney Star Wars? My money is on no.

[@kibe2134]

This guy sure has some opinions about the European Union.

[@abadhaiku]

Man, I vividly remember reading this book when I was a kid. I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who thought it was a complete fever dream of a story.

[@eternal8song]

so what you're telling me is that the Solo kids were the Mokuba Kaiba of Star Wars as far as kidnapping goes?

[@timmaximilian9286]

eternal8song worse

[@thomasveerman4532]

Or the Princess Peach

[@tannerfoster7574]

Waru: A Star Wars story. Please make it a thing Disney

[@carbon1255]

Still better than TLJ.

[@bconroy328]

Still better thab TPM

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Anakin Solo were still canon up to about 2015. In fact, I believed Kylo to be Anakin Solo.

[@levongevorgyan6789]

Anakin Solo makes Kylo look like a bitch

[@Neiroe]

don't forget that kylo is a stand in for Jacen, who he also doesn't measure up to

[@aredjayc2858]

@@Neiroe I called him Great-Value Jacen... no one got the reference and I was sad

[@syukoshiomy]

@@Neiroe hell nah chief, kylo's confliction is a hell of a lot better-written than caedus. the legacy of the force series was terrible and was a total disservice to jacen's development in NJO, and it's an absolutely clunkfest owing to what seems like no communication between authors and karen traviss's mando-wank. the sequel trilogy's got problems (TROS made dark empire WORSE, somehow) but adam driver's performance and his light dynamic with leia in TFA and TLJ sells the character.

[@valeriehawke8019]

@@syukoshiomy Honestly, I'm glad most of Legends aren't canon. I mean, Luuke and Luuuke Skywalker? Chewbacca died because of a meteor? One OP Force User who could hold a Star Destroyer and beat BOTH Vader and Palpatine like it was nothing? And not to even mention the Solo siblings. There are many _very_ good things within Legends that I hope will be made canon someday (Kyle Katarn, The Old Republic-except Revan novels-, Plagueis, and others) but the bad outweighs the good, in my opinion. Canon Star Wars have some horrendous writing, sure, but many, if not most, of the canon EU are really well-written. Bloodline, Tarkin, Master and Apprentice, Vader comics, "Age of..." comics, and many, many more. I'm sure many "DiSnEy RuiNeD sTaR WaRs!!!1!!!" fans hadn't read some of the worst EU novels.

[@TheFrankyMoon]

This book is what happens when the author has never seen a single star wars movie.

[@bauersporslin522]

"The last jedi is good because look at this book that is even worse". This random book being bad doesn't make the last jedi any better.

[@samgilley3160]

TLJ defenders have no actual arguments so they resort to this disingenuous bullshit.

[@intheclear3492]

Prequel fanboys do the same thing

[@Mattytime]

Children of the Jedi was so...so much worse.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

I agree. After the Thrawn trilogy, I trying to read the EU books in chronological order and immediately gave up after I read Children of the Jedi. Seriously the plot summary is that The Emperor built a Super Star Destroyer...disguised as an asteroid...to kill a few children on a planet...yeah......

[@peppermillers8361]

The Jedi Academy (book series, not the game) is also really fucking bad.

[@signaltome]

I would agree, but I have actually READ that one. ;-) Though by this videos description I would think that Crystal Star is not far behind. Sounds like a reject TNG episode to me.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Jedi Academy was no where near as bad, just had weak villains, beyond Exar Kun, debatedly.

[@signaltome]

Jedi Academy books are ok. Game is excellent!

[@justaname9330]

I had forgotten all about this story. The writer being a Star Trek writer actually makes a lot of sense, Waru and the whole plot seems like it'd fit well in an original series Star Trek story.

[@mattjorgdbb]

We should get a Crystal Star movie

[@blackshogun272]

Matt Jorgensen it'd honestly be better in film than the book. It'd flow a thousand times better...

[@TheWaverunners]

@Diego Negrete It'd be better than the Dark Universe.

[@Zanoladab]

@Diego Negreteit's better than the sequel trilogy

[@dericanight861]

No. God no. Please.

[@-Joyfull]

I remember reading this novel back in 1995 or 1996 as an 11 or 12 year old, but I don't remember the actual plot. I only remember the title, the cover art, and the fact that it had 3 kids from Han Solo. This video was a total trip of reawakening. Mind blown.

[@sinom]

Also chewie was there.

[@fenzz5511]

You replied twice bitch

[@gc6096]

Someone make that a meme hurry

[@sinom]

Fenzz pretty sure I even replied trice! The third one got lost somewhere down there though.

[@BillMarion]

I actually remember "The Courtship of Princess Leia," and I thought it was pretty good. But that was a long time ago and I don't remember much of it now.

[@Kissamiess]

It *was* pretty good. Not one of the truly great ones but almost there.

[@paulwence648]

Courtship of Princess Leia was one of my favorites when it first came out (though there weren't many SW options, so I might have partly liked it because I was so desperate for anything new). It showed a different side of Han. Leia struggling with political decisions. I liked the Hapans (mostly), probably the first time I'd heard of a matriarchal society...and it wasn't SJW about it, it was simply another way of doing things, and it worked for them. Kinda like real life. The stuff with Luke and the witches was neat, exploring a different viewpoint on the Force. Luke had some badass moments (maybe a little OP at the end, lol), yet he and Han weren't invincible like in many of the later books.

[@danielpignuola478]

Bill Marion you mean the courtship of princess Lelila.

[@CrossingTheStreetArt]

Can't tell if this is satire or not because the last Jedi is Disney's WORST star wars movie before the return of Skywalker (because that one hasn't came out yet) and ALL Disney's star wars movies have been crap except Rogue One which was a decent movie on par with typical non-star wars movies. It did fine as a side-movie. Disney doesn't care about the characters' character and solely want to "let the past die" and "destroy it" if they have to in order to get people to only think of Disney's movies. People just love the original movies because they were great stories and kind of cutting-edge at the time. Disney just wants to milk the brand for money until people forget about starwars

[@Enkye_CA]

My issue with TLJ is that it feels and was unplanned. Rian completely ignored Jj’s plot threads and it showed. Also the macro editing, scene to scene, was poorly put together and left me baffled to how Disney would let this pass.

[@kieranhurst8543]

This is obviously just a Star Trek novel with Star Wars characters rammed into it.

[@jjason18795]

1:00 No close parentheses? From this point onward I shall assume that every word you say is what resides in them parentheses, until you proclaim "close parentheses".

[@TiStardust]

Great, now I'M subjected to think that!

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I still think the Last Jedi is the worst thing to happen to Star Wars ever but that doesn't change the fact that the EU has some equally nonsensical things in it. It's just that the movies are way more important than the books. With the books, I can ignore them but the point of the movies is that they ARE Star Wars. They are the genesis and baseline for the entire Star Wars universe and story. If the movie that is supposed to be a direct continuation of the OT with what same actors as the OT characters is terrible, it's a much bigger deal than a few random books I don't need to read being bad. sequelssequelsendingthetakeworserandomequal

[@munjee2]

1:28 that's 3 periods. Period .

[@zhazhagab0r]

Munjee Syed does that technically make it an ellipsis? 😂

[@Dragonage2ftw]

Period?

[@fqidz]

4

[@RedSoulYo]

Four if you include the one the original author was having.

[@gamepocalypsegaming278]

Took me a second

[@DefinitelyHumanGamer]

I want to know the entire conversation taking place after you said “I don’t have time for flirtations” to your brother-in-law.

[@RoggaFigga13]

To be fair on the whole inter-dimensional blob thing, the post-Disney Han Solo comic is about Han enlisting in a space race and it ends with one of the alien characters being an inter-dimensional being that then escapes into his reality. So both the EU and Canon have characters a bit out of the norm. However, EU suffers from more inconsistencies and odd stories due to the larger availability of stories in comparison to canon. Granted, due to the same reason, EU also has greater stories as well.

[@nihongochopsocky808]

Crystal Star didnt divide the fanbase, lose fans and money for the franchise, then have the writer and publishers call fans idiots for not liking it.True Crystal Star is really weird compared to TLJ, but it was how Disney handled the backlash that made it worse.The franchise was pretty intact after Crystal Star cause not too many people cared or read it.TLJ was Episode 8 for crying out loud!You cant compare a irrelevant novel to a much anticipated, massive build up movie, its just not the same!That being said, im down for a purple 3P0!

[@reeds.9669]

Those X-Wing novels were tight though. I loved New Jedi Order too.

[@The_Bad_Guy.]

There were a bunch of great old EU novels. Shadows of the Empire is tops for me. But Choices of One was awesome, the original thrawn trilogy was good for the most part minus the stupid Luke clone, the 2 force unleashed books were really good too. Yeah there was a lot of crap out there but there was also a ton of good stuff.

[@matthewirving4877]

I liked the Yu Song Von war I don’t if this was spelled right I haven’t read it in a while

[@kellyweingart3692]

Yuuzan Vong

[@AragornGhost15]

@@kellyweingart3692 Yuuzhan Vong

[@KetsubanSolo]

@@The_Bad_Guy. Death Troopers is probably my least favorite of the EU novels so far. It's so over-the-top in its edgy factor, it keeps namedropping much better horror books/stories. I'm not kidding, there's a Dr. Armitage (H.P. Lovecraft's "The Dunwich Horror") and a survivor named Gorrister (Harlan Ellison "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"), and probably more I couldn't recognize. Also Han and Chewie are there and proceed to do nothing of consequence except Chewie almost turning into a zombie and fantasizing eating his family on Life Day (not kidding)

[@michaelmyers3507]

People didnt like The Last Jedi for the same reason you didnt like Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. It’s not because The Last Jedi is different, it isn’t Star Wars. The Star Wars novels are supposed to experiment with new ideas, the movies are supposed to reflect the best parts of the Extended Universe, in my opinion.

[@adzansyahputra2675]

why would you compare a no name novel writer to a hundred of million budget movie ?

[@teresaellis7062]

I used to several shelves of Star Wars novels. I really enjoyed them. I kind of remember the Crystal Star, but the one I thought was odd was Splinter of the Mind's Eye, but it was written before Empire Strikes Back came out, so, the movie version of the characters weren't as fleshed out and no one knew that Leia and Luke were twins. I still have several Star Wars novels, but I had to downsize everything in my life, including my library, :( several years back and no longer have shelves of the novels. People don't know how lucky they are to have new Star Wars MOVIES available. I would go to my local used bookstore and hunt the shelves for Star Wars novels I hadn't read yet. I was in a weird limbo, I wanted to own the books so I didn't get them at the library, but I was too poor at the time to buy new copies. So I haunted the used bookstore. It proved better than buying new because I found novels that bookstores of new books might not have anymore. Like Splinter of the Mind's Eye, which was published around the time I was born.

[@legateelizabeth]

"Would you really rather the show stop?" YES! Yes I would! I'd rather have a Star Wars release be an event, be something that doesn't come around all too often, be something that I can be excited about, rather than an annual release every year and supplemental material besides! I like Star Wars, but good god I'm gonna get and sort of have been burned out on it because there's so much of it. It's like video games, I don't care if your franchise is an annual release, in fact don't make it an annual release because a lot of the time more time to bake in the oven will give it something better, and even if something is good, sheer repeated exposure will put people off something. I like chocolate, but if you present me with a whole chocolate cake every day, then sooner or later I'm gonna not want to touch chocolate cake. I like Star Wars, but if you present me with a whole new release every month, or every year depending on how major it is, then sooner or later I'm gonna not want to touch Star Wars.

[@flagflow1232]

It's not the problem with the way the movies are being released. The Star Wars releases have always been constant. Since 1977 there was a constant Star Wars material coming out every year (movies, shows, novels, comics), and since 2000, we've basically been hit with new material every single day. It's just that the people didn't complain about it back then, because Star Wars was one of it's kind. Star Wars was the only franchise in the world with such type of world-building, mythology, characters and overall visual appearance. However, since 2010, Hollywood has evolved greatly, and Star Wars simply became just one of the many big epic franchises. These days, every big-budget blockbuster film is what Star Wars once was. That's why the people can't ''feel'' Star Wars anymore. It's not because there's too much of it, or because of franchise's recent lack of quality. Star Wars has simply been exceeded by modern Hollywood.

[@somethingwithultra7231]

@@flagflow1232 Hollywood evolved during the 2010s can be taken so out of context-- Oh god

[@dd11111]

I’m glad to find out I’m not the only one thinking this. Release a good peice of content, or trilogy, or series. Then put it away to age like a fine wine.

[@ThreeProphets]

Annual release schedules will kill anything

[@DamienDrake]

@@ThreeProphets I'm still waiting for Marvel to die.

[@shwala]

I really appreciate how much time you spend on making videos I, sadly, consider a waste of my time. I mean, I spend so much of my time on Wikipedia and various pop-cult wikia's, and never did I think to revisit the dozens of books in the expanded universe... This is a poor compliment. Kudos to you for doing what I would not and for informing us of information I knew not I needed. Great job, Austin.

[@wvchemteach]

Yes, there was some terrible book in the EU/Legends... this one, Children of the Jedi, Darksarber, Black Fleet Crisis. However, none of those books wasted as much money as The Last Jedi did in giving us garbage.

[@vr5076]

Do you think there a reason this channel focuses on the more "negative" aspects of the old expanded universe as far as Star Wars as a whole is concerned?

[@blackshogun272]

@@vr5076 I don't wanna call this dude a "EU-hating Disney shill" but damn does he really portray himself as one...

[@vr5076]

@@blackshogun272 Would it be far fetched to say he has some association with Lucasfilm/Disney?

[@magustobias8827]

*Refers Lu'uke Skywalker from The Last Command while discussing the quality and details of the EU* *Shows an image of Luke when he turned to the Dark Side in Dark Empire* "I find your lack of thoroughness disturbing."

[@d_r317]

Aside from the plot holes and how borderline retarded half of the characters act, The last jedi is bad because the filmmakers completely forgot the whole point of the movie in the last thirty minutes. They say multiple times that the Jedi Order and their focus on a pure light side is responsible for the rise of all of the sith empires throughout SW history, since the force will always balance itself out. But when kylo offers Rey a solution and wants to build a completely new order with her she refuses. Now we're back a the very beginning. Plain black and white Star Wars we've seen so many times already. It's predictable and boring. Tlj didn't do anything new, it simple acknowledged that sw has a big problem with depicting good and evil in an interesting way but does all of the things it supposedly wanted to change. If you have a different opinion, you should check out wisecracks video on the topic, they probably do a better job at explaining it.

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

darwin roessler Yes, Kylo, having spent a few years being a dark asshole, killing Han, torturing Rey, almost killing Finn, and who has a bad temper is definitely trustworthy. He just killed his former master, and probably wanted- correction Definitely wanted to kill Luke. Which, call me crazy, Rey could probably tell, and tbh, she made the right choice. There is no guarantee he will stick with this "Leave the past" path, especially with his embrace of the Dark Side. Hell, killing your former Sith master is canonically what the Sith do.

[@d_r317]

Not the point. I was trying to say that the script is not that good because it constantly points out how the Jedi Order can never truly destroy the sith, but failed to innovate in any meaningful way because were still stuck in the endless and frankly boring battle of pure good vs pure evil.

[@derworfnet]

The difference between "The last Jedi" and "Crystal Star" is that the latter it a single, completely self-contained story that can easily be ignored when going through the EU-timeline. What happened in that book had absolutely no bearing on any of the next novels. Luke was back to normal after this filler-episode was over and I don't think Waru was ever even mentioned again. In short: As far as the bigger picture of the Expanded Univese went, "Crystal Star" *didn't matter.* Sorry for being so late to the party btw. I only just now discovered this vid.

[@dingbing1539]

So let me get this straight, Austin, a multi-million dollar movie backed by Disney, with glaring issues is an okay film because some company made a book in the '70s that was bad, that barely anyone read. Also, there were many books like this, so the terrible new trilogy of MAIN-STREAM acclaim is okay. Sure, Austin, whatever you say!

[@tokiWren]

The kids are still kidnapped; it's very sad.

[@cristian-ionutapostol8018]

Centaurs, dragons, werewolves, and parallel universes feature WAY TOO MUCH in the Star Wars expanded universe. xD

[@rodia3039]

Just because this Star Wars book is bad, it doesn't make The Last Jedi a good film. It's also bad.

[@bainbonic]

I think the point is more "stop this hyperbolic 'every new thing is the worst thing ever' mentality because it's an overreaction which makes people outside the fandom think you're weird and toxic." Which is true. You can criticise TLJ all you want, but the internet rage mob is more harmful than helpful.

[@theforgottenjedi1823]

The Crystal Star wasnt even that bad. If anything Children of the Jedi was worse.

[@Smellbringer]

Is it because Luke basically falls in love with a corpse, because people mention depraved sexual shit all the time and it doesn't scar me at all thanks to that.

[@kellyweingart3692]

😂😂😂😂🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@Xtoff]

I can't wait for the next Star Wars movie when Rey drags all the force ghosts back from the dead to be her immortal puppet army. They can fly around shooting lightning while she uses her God force power to toss the whole first order into the sun. Once that's done she'll become queen of the universe and it'll be perfect harmony. #Woke

[@edgylatterdaysaint7901]

I highly recommend the Darth Bane Trilogy. They're amazing. I'm almost halfway through the third book, and it's so good so far!

[@myownlivingnightmare]

Agreed.

[@thomasmiller8439]

Please bring this series back. I love watching these. You could talk about pre 1983 jabba

[@julioacceus253]

When they announced the EU was removed, I thought they meant the section AFTER ROTJ. 'Cause for the sake of a sequel trilogy, why not?

[@blitz8425]

Well probably because that wasn't the only thing hampering them. If they considered the test cannon, they would have to tip toe around all that. It would have been a massive headache for them, and fans. Imagine if the movies were beholden to some obscure one off comic? Also, to be fair, Lucas never considered the EU canon.

[@blitz8425]

@Vanya C that's kind of what they did though. They decanonized the EU and have been slowly working in the best bits.

[@luluflu1140]

@@blitz8425 Even if Lucas didn't considered the EU canon because it didn't fit his vision for what Star Wars should be it was produced and licensed by Lucasfilm and was part of the official Star Wars canon. And the EU does correspond to George Lucas vision for Star Wars more than the Disney canon because back in the old EU Lucas was involved in shaping the stories by allowing certain things and vetoing some author's ideas. He is even the one that got the idea for the main villains of the Fate of the Jedi series and the Dark Empire comics.

[@blitz8425]

@@luluflu1140 no the EU was never canon. Lucas himself said so multiple times. He allowed the stories to exist but always maintained that the EU was explicitly non canon.

[@luluflu1140]

@@blitz8425 Again, you're confusing two things : George Lucas vision for Star Wars and the official Star Wars canon. What George Lucas would have done or not done if he had created everything in the expanded universe is irrelevant. The Expanded Universe was officially part of the Star Wars canon as proven by the quotes I provided you. Have you ever read an issue of Star Wars insider or any official Star Wars website or magazine before 2014 ? It blows my mind how this rumor can still exist. And George Lucas had to approve all the stories and was vetoing author's ideas (Quinlan Vos and Luke Skywalker deaths etc.) left and right during the era in which the original Star Wars lore was created and he was even proposing ideas that were adopted by the authors (Abeloth, the resurrected Palpatine etc.). If Lucas did not considered this stories part of the official Star Wars canon why did he care about them and what they told ? Why was he so involved in the expanded universe creation ? Anyway the original Star Wars lore reflect George Lucas vision much more than the Disney Star Wars lore because of how involved he was in his creation and the power he had in shaping the stories by imposing and proposing ideas to the expanded universe authors. Now Lucas is not involved at all when it comes to shaping the new lore.

[@kodokudeusotsuki]

I'd definitely prefer if they left Star wars the way it was and stop the franchise forever rather than making the last jedi. Now I have to teach my future kids Star wars has only 6 movies and they should never ever watch the other ones.

[@jacobottesen5279]

To be fair, this book WAS written by an author that had written a few Star Trek stories before this one... Make of that what you will.

[@nihongochopsocky808]

Idk how anybody can compare an irrelevant novel, although cannon at the time that give or take even hardcore SW fans probably wont read to Episode 8!

[@tewtadle268]

the " theory about theories" one was actually about how all of the theorizing about the last jedi made it overhyped, and when people got answers about the things they were theorizing about they were not happy with them... Its actually quite a good watch.

[@nope5657]

The hilarious thing is Mcintyre is a great writer.

[@cheesynoodles6966]

Why do I feel like she hadn’t seen any of the movies either

[@sophiesmith-campbell5188]

I think...I need to read these books. And cry. From laughter.

[@liberpolo5540]

THere should be a KZbin channel of JUST that ...! :D

[@troodon1096]

I would totally pay money to see a movie based on this book.

[@bobbyesteban6741]

I bet it's so you can complain about how bad it is.

[@liberpolo5540]

@@bobbyesteban6741 OOOOOOH, burn! XD

[@villie86]

This review aged like milk. Yeah the book was bad, but comparing the critique of a one-off book of a fringe author to a multi-billion dollar film trilogy's critique is a bit biased.

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

Nah, it's fine. Luke being unLukelike makes sense, because he's a Force-sensitive, and we're told the Crystal Star affects the Force. Also, he might have been influenced by Waru, who, we know, is a good manipulator.

[@PeterOwenReal]

Complaining about a movie that you don't like? Fine. Complaining about a book you don't like? Also fair. But the argument that because this books Luke is more out of character than The Last Jedi's Luke excuses the last jedi is stupid. I get it. The Last Jedi is definitely not a heaping pile of garbage like some people say it was. But just because something else is worse doesn't excuse faults in other media. Just because the santa fe shooter killed less people doesn't make it any less of a tragedy than the school shooting in florida. I know that's an extreme. But that is the style of your argument. One thing being worse doesn't excuse something from being bad.

[@kaidenrisser1610]

Isaac Buxton I agree I personally hated TLJ but that’s my opinion, I have my own reasons and people tell me why they like it, that’s the way anything goes, some love it, some vice-versa, I don’t tell people they are wrong to like it, but for me I just saw more reason to hate, rather than love it. (P.s.) No amount of explaining will ever sway me for the uselessness of Rose in the movie

[@AgentGWG]

“You don’t like TLJ for legitimate reasons? Well you opinion is invalid because there is something worse than that. So now you can’t complain.” Yeah sure there are worse things out there, but you seem to be denying all the things legitimately wrong with The Last Jedi. Sure TFA was a close copy of Episode 4, but it also laid the foundation for lots of cool ideas to be explored. Who was Snoke, who are Rays parents, what is Luke going to do, why did Luke hide away, etc. Yet all these ideas were thrown away! Snoke is some random guy, Rays parents are some random people, Luke is going to do nothing because he’s sad (Mark himself said this was way out of character for Luke) and Luke is on that island because he is sad. This is the same Luke, as you pointed out, that turned Darth Vader good, yet his first reaction to his nephew being evil was to kill him. I can’t see how you lambast this book for making Luke out of character, but yet say “the Last Jedi was doing something new, so you shouldn’t be mad.” It just seems hypocritical at the least to say you think this book is bad, but that fans of Star Wars shouldn’t call TLJ bad.

[@ADAMan123]

That’s the thing... it’s not for legitimate reasons... it’s because they’re haters

[@bainbonic]

I'm sure there are some people out there who don't like TLJ for legitimate reasons. I can think of plenty of criticisms for the film and I liked it. The issue I take is the sheer mindless frothing rage of the internet mob that blocks out all opposing opinions and takes this toxic elitist attitude while trying to turn Rian Johnson into the Anti-Christ even though JJ Abrams is the one who set everything to do with Luke up.

[@MCSolaireBro]

I agree, except that The Last Jedi was really bad