The WORST Thing About Star Trek The Original Series (Q&A) - Whatever This Is 002

[@TheSlysterII]

What a great video, it just felt like having a beer with some friends talking about stuff! Thank you guys!

[@blanetalk]

M*A*S*H is considered one of the best written sitcoms of all time. The fact that they managed to make a show with an anti-war commentary be as engaging and as funny is a bonus! It might make a great reaction watch.

[@mickmack1409]

The M*A*S*H* finale "Goodbye, Farewell and Amen" remains the most viewed television finale of all time, 20 million people tuning in.

[@kenr8151]

@@mickmack1409 80 million I think.

[@mickmack1409]

@@kenr8151 cool

[@LeutnantJoker]

@@mickmack1409 It's also one of the best made ones. Plenty of really crappy finales, if the shows even got one at all.

[@montylc2001]

I love about the first four seasons of MASH.....then it just turned to serious and liberal for me. I'll watch reruns of the first three seasons religiously, but after that...meh.

[@PrimeSportsNetwork]

Cherish that friendship! My bestie died of a heart attack 8 years ago and I don't have that childhood friend who really knows me and understands me to talk to anymore. It sucks. So yes, cherish the friendship dudes! It's the only one you'll ever have that is the same.

[@anthonybernacchi2732]

I'm so sorry for your loss.

[@PrimeSportsNetwork]

@@anthonybernacchi2732 👊

[@waynet1022]

Interesting that you mentioned George Costanza is your favorite human being of all time. Jason Alexander is a huge Star Trek TOS fan. He also appears in an episode of Star Trek Voyager.

[@MAMoreno]

Star Trek: The Animated Series has an even number of episodes (22), so you could easily pair them together in one reaction. I wouldn't recommend doing three at a time. First, the number of episodes isn't divisible by three. Second, the show is so episodic that you would probably get exhausted trying to take in more than two standalone stories at once, which wouldn't let you react fairly to the third.

[@visionaryventures12]

I think the number is actually 21. I remember collecting the vhs tapes and noting an error.

[@anthonybernacchi2732]

@@visionaryventures12 There are 22 TAS episodes (16 in Season 1, 6 in Season 2). However, there was no episode with production number #22012; the 22 episodes were numbered #22001 to #22023, and the VHS tapes numbered the episodes from 1 to 11 and 13 to 23. The numbers do not correspond to the episodes' release order (in which Alex and Josh will presumably watch them), and there was no "lost" Episode 12. Dan Hauser's website devoted to TAS compares the skipped number to a voided check in a checkbook.

[@stuffyouotterlistento1461]

I still haven't watched all of the animated series due to being allergic to animation frame rates that low. I'd normally steer anybody who isn't a diehard fan away from it, but honestly, this might be a good format to absorb it, with the guys joking about things that would otherwise be detractions.

[@MAMoreno]

@@stuffyouotterlistento1461 I've seen enough Saturday morning animation from the late 60s and early 70s to tolerate it. And unlike, say, Super Friends, the Trek series has good enough writing to make up for the stilted animation. I'm relieved that Filmation didn't add a talking pet, a magical imp, or a Wesley Crusher to make the show more appealing to young children.

[@rymerster]

The alien sound FX and music cues are going to haunt your nightmares while watching TAS. Aside from that it’s great, most stories written by the writers from the main show, so there’s solid continuity, terminology and so on.

[@LeutnantJoker]

In regards to Andor I'm actually with you. Even if the show is good, you're going to be one of 1000 channels reacting to it, and probably one of the smallest. It's not going to do anything to grow your channel, especially since you (and from what I'm getting your main audience here) are just burned out from Disney Star Wars right now. Your channel is doing really well on old shows and like you mentioned in the last video of this type, the fun of this channel is you guys going back in time and re-discovering gold nuggets of television or cinema that you are genuinely interested in and surprised by. That's what makes this channel great. Everybody and their aunt are reacting to the new stuff, and then people get mad at you if you don't do over the top reactions to things. You reacting to the man trap monster transformation or to Spock falling in love is way more fun, because you actually enjoy those moments and its a genuine surprise and you have your own opinions about those scenes and shows and how things were done back in those days. You learning about what was different about TV back then, what the limitations were and how they created something great despite that... that's part of what makes this special. So I vote for focusing on older stuff, stuff you can watch at your leisure and don't have to edit so it gets the first clicks, competing with 1000 other channels, because all that will do is make your channel less genuine about the fun and instead about competing with other channels about who reacts the craziest to the latest trending stuff. Nobody needs another channel like that. You're doing great at what you do. Obviously if there is a current show you genuinely want to feature, absolutely. But from my point of view there is zero need to feature a show just because it's trending or the current big thing. That market is saturated and boring anyway.

[@davide123]

I want to suggest 2 movies (without spoiling them): Fail Safe (very tense and well directed) and Omega Man (cheesy but fun sci-fi).

[@mikejankowski6321]

@@sdfried4877 If you do something well...

[@rpmfla]

M*A*S*H was THE series of my youth and one of the most respected shows of all time. It was brilliant in how it balanced the horror of war...in this case the Korean War...with the comedy generated by coping with ridiculous circumstances. It is more funny than tragic but the seriousness of war is always there.

[@anthonybernacchi2732]

To answer Alex and Josh's specific question, it's a single-camera comedy-drama sitcom shot on color film. (I've never gotten into it myself, although I've seen the series finale, which was one of the highest-rated TV shows of all time.)

[@stuffyouotterlistento1461]

MASH is actually very good for an older comedy series, I think. I still find it entertaining, though it's definitely a bit dated in terms of feeling confined/restricted by the format of its time. Like, it fits within certain parameters that may feel a bit blase and over-trodden today. Then again, I feel similarly about Seinfeld (though admittedly to a lesser degree), and a lot of the sitcom genre in general, which tends to feel very "boxed in". One issue with MASH is that it's a bit too dopey/goofy at the beginning. It gets a bit more sophisticated as it goes on, and I'll take an intelligent, capable rival/antagonist like Charles Winchester over a one-dimensional, incompetent idiot like Frank Burns any day of the week. Given the episodic nature of the show, and the fact that it doesn't particularly seem like the target demographic for the Target Audience, it seems to me that the best way to cover it (if at all) would be to have fans of it hand choose a few good episodes for them to watch. If they're wowed by those, they could always choose to dive into the show as a whole, but I think it'd be a mistake to start out aiming to tackle the entire thing, and watching all the episodes chronologically.

[@LeutnantJoker]

@@stuffyouotterlistento1461 Cheers is another fun one :)

[@LeutnantJoker]

@@sdfried4877 Well Cheers spawned Frasier so cheers would still be worth for Frasier's origin story haha. And I just really like Ted Danson :)

[@rpmfla]

Twilight Zone's "Night of the Meek" is an annual tradition for me on Christmas. The first time I showed it to my older, conservative sisters they looked at me like I was crazy at first but I noticed them getting teary eyed during it and they said it was a very pleasant surprise afterward. While not every episode is great, overall the original Twilight Zone was brilliant. Two similar series, Outer Limits and One Step Beyond, were similar and almost as good, and then there was the British version of Twilight Zone "Journey to the Unknown".

[@anthonybernacchi2732]

My late mother loved "The Twilight Zone", but she *always* referred to it as "One Step Beyond" (having watched that series before I was born) and could never get out of that habit. She also always referred to "Forever Knight" as "Nick at Night", "Crossing Jordan" as "Jordan's Crossing", "The District" as "Mannion" (the main character's name), and "Jeopardy!" as "Bonanza"!

[@Finchsterreading]

If you can track down the 1985 revival, S1E13 is a Christmas episode. They remade "Night of the Meek" with Richard Mulligan. That episode also has "The Star," based on a short story by Arthur C. Clark.

[@donaldcordner1936]

I think you guys would really like MASH, especially the later seasons. It's a comedy set in the Korean War at a Mobile Army Surgical Hospital (MASH). It's in full color and was a show that ran from 1972 to 1983 and the last episode is on record as being the most watched in TV history. It's VERY funny, but it also has a lot of drama. The show actually birthed the term "Dramedy" for being both a drama and comedy. Each spisode is 30 mins. Great show!!

[@stereo999]

Korean War lasted 3 years, MASH was on TV for 11 years. That's how popular the show was in its day lol

[@Shasta--1]

Mash is a comedy, and also an antiwar show. All the episodes, except one, were in color. It was the longest-running show on television in prime time (and might still be). The last episode was watched by more people than the Super Bowl, and to this day is one of the top three most-watched shows of all time. I really think you owe it to yourselves to see at least the first few to check it out.

[@sarahfullerton6894]

There are two Twilight Zine Episodes with William Shatner, and 1 with Leonard Nimoy.

[@anthonybernacchi2732]

There's also one with James Doohan in a small role, and "The Encounter", an extremely controversial episode co-starring George Takei and Neville Brand. The latter might be a good one for Alex and Josh to do a reaction as a one-off, since it was withheld from syndication for many years, and they haven't necessarily seen it (although I believe it has shown up on Syfy more recently).

[@Thorn76]

Also, now that I've seen the whole segment and realized that you have no idea about M*A*S*H, I'd have to add my voice to that chorus. You can't go through life without having watched it.

[@Ralph64]

Love Star Trek, but I'd also love to see your reactions to some 70s theatrical sci-fi like Andromeda Strain and Silent Running. Movies that might not have been that successful, but influenced later movies and series.

[@thewiseoldherper7047]

I appreciated your explanation about why you don’t like the run time for the Star Trek TOS shows. Of course people immediately think you’re criticizing the show, but you made it clear that it’s more about the environment of being recorded for so long. That needs to be said more often because nobody on this side of the transmission is thinking about that. As you mentioned, we’re just sitting on our couch, watching you and enjoying it. I also picked up on the fact that Alex has to go to the restroom at some point. I think it would be fine if you just stop the video and let him go to the bathroom for three minutes! Something like that has to be distracting and a negative effect on the overall experience.

[@LeutnantJoker]

Also maybe improving the watch environment over time, once the patreon income rises. No reason to sit on uncomfy chairs when other reactors sit on a couch and relax. It obviously requires a more extensive camera setup etc to just do it in the living room and watch on a nice TV but eventually the finances should make that possible. We're still in the humble beginnings, I'm pretty sure in just a year from now, things will already have improved dramatically. I see this channel going places.

[@JAYWALKER1000]

Just one thing - She-Hulk's 1st appearance was in Savage She-Hulk #1 (1980) - not the 60's. She broke the 4th wall in Sensational She-Hulk #1 (1989) eight years before Deadpool.

[@jsharp3165]

2011? I think autocorrect did you wrong there. That should be 1988.

[@JAYWALKER1000]

@@jsharp3165 I have notoriously bad time sense so I looked it up before I made the comment but I didn't check as carefully as I thought. 2011 is the date of the 2nd TPB (don't knnow why that's what came up) and I got the right issue of Deadpool but the wrong volume - so I just went where I should have gone in the first place - Mike's Amazing World of Comics and corrected the original message.

[@richardb6260]

Credit for keeping my interest for over an hour. Not easy to do with just two guys talking. The only film that truly terrified me was The Exorcist. It pretty much inoculated me against other scary movies. The Shining disappointed me (sorry). I was a big Kubrick fan because I loved 2001: A Space Odyssey. I loved the book and the idea of Kubrick adapting King alone terrified me. Then I saw it and became more and more annoyed by the huge changes made to the book. I really didn't think it was that scary. I'm in good company since King didn't like it either. Best theater experience was The Empire Strikes Back in 1980. 70mm in a big theater filled with people who have been waiting since 1977. The theater seating was divided into a front half and back half. I was on the front row of the back half with ten feet between me and the next row of seats. When the Snow Speeders are flying across the terrain of Hoth, my stomach jumped. I really like She Hulk. It really captures John Byrne's run on the comic. Supposedly they plan a ton of guest appearances. Some characters never before seen in the MCU. You should watch the animated Trek series. It has many of the same writers and all of the original cast except Koenig. Just like any series, it's hit and miss. But the fact that they adapted a story (The Soft Weapon aka The Slaver Weapon) by Larry Niven (his Known Space stories were a high school obsession) is enough to recommend it. I never thought I'd ever see Niven's Kzinti outside the pages of the books. When I was a kid, I had an embarrassment of riches as far as favorite TV shows go. Star Trek, The Man from UNCLE, Wild Wild West, The Avengers (no, not those Avengers), I Spy, and a ton of great sitcoms. Saturday morning I had Space Ghost, The Herculoids, Frankenstein Jr., the Spider-Man series directed by Ralph Bakshi, Captain Scarlet (God, I loved that show). Have you decided on a 3000 subscribers movie? If not, I suggest 2001: A Space Odyssey. I saw in the theater when I was 12 and became obsessed. Saw it in the theater every time it was rereleased (13 times). Another suggestion is Colossus: The Forbin Project. It's a smart Sci Fi film that's actually better than the book it's based on. The original King Kong from 1933 might be a fun reaction. You should consider watching the original The Outer Limits. It's a smart Sci Fi anthology series. Harlan Ellison, who wrote City on the Edge of Forever, wrote two episodes. It was only two seasons, so it won't take too long (then again seasons were over 30 episodes back then). TNG is great (though it takes a couple of seasons to hit it's stride. A common problem for the post TOS series). DS9 is better. The last three seasons are insanely good.

[@mikejankowski6321]

Good comments! Yes, 2001 and Colossus are great. I'm with you on DS9.

[@stephenward7856]

As a longtime Trekker, I wouldn't recommend you do the animated series. Maybe do 2 or 3 episodes per show or something, but that probably has its own issues. There's just so much Trek, inc a very shaky start to TNG till you get to the good stuff! Congrats on 3K, many more to come!

[@LeutnantJoker]

If they pack them together they should be done with the pretty quick. I'm actually interested in those reactions since I personally have never watched the animated show but constantly heard references to it.

[@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh]

I am watching the run of ST:TNG over again with some people who are first time watchers. They are into season 5 so they are getting some of the best episodes. Agreed that season 1 had some serious issues. They had such strong uncompromising showrunners and didnt know what the audience would go for. You end up with "Justice" and "the Arsenal of Freedom"

[@pauld6967]

A good Q & A session gentlemen.

[@zipadeedooda7938]

If you want to see some of the inspiration for Star Trek, watch the 1963 series The Outer Limits. It's a bit like The Twilight Zone, but I think much better. Several actors from ST were on it, as well as other great actors. A designer of some of the aliens migrated to ST afterward. Also, Harlan Ellison, writer of 'City on the Edge of Forever', wrote two episodes, with 'Demon with a Glass Hand' considered a classic. Ellison even liked how Outer Limits treated his script, which was not the case with ST. The Outer Limits was only on for a season and a half. Whether you react to it or not, you should at least watch it. Keep doing what you're doing. :)

[@paintedjaguar]

Yes, they should react to at least that one episode, "Demon with a Glass Hand". It's a corker. You might recognize the building they used as a set for it.

[@williamblakehall5566]

CONGRATULATIONS ON 3000!

[@jcarterla]

I'm 51. When I was a kid, when you got home from school you would turn on channel 43 to watch reruns of old shows like The Brady Bunch, Gilligan's Island, My Three Sons, The Munsters, etc... Cartoons were on Saturday mornings. Superfriends was always on very early and I was always tired from staying up on Friday to watch Hoolihan and Big Chuck.

[@mikejankowski6321]

Hoolihan and Big Chuck!!! YEAH! Those were the good old days.

[@geminicricket4975]

Watch Ben Hur, it has one of the greatest action sequences of all time, just for starters. :)

[@geminicricket4975]

​@@IshoDominatesLuciferAndGoetia Not just your list. :) It is in the AFI top 100 greatest films of all time, after all. Not to mention Casablanca and Citizen Kane.

[@robabiera733]

The 1959 version NOT the 2016 one.

[@anthonybernacchi2732]

@@IshoDominatesLuciferAndGoetia The 1959 version was itself a remake. There was a silent version in 1925.

[@geminicricket4975]

Well, the 2016 version wasn't bad, but it lacked two things, MHO. 1, the revenge plot was, as much as I hate to say it, weakened by the "act of grace" given at the end, despite it being very much in line with the Christian ethos. And 2, Heston, baby! Heston! ;)

[@mikejankowski6321]

MASH started as an anti-war film in 1972 during the wind-down of the Vietnam war, and was set in Korea in a forward hospital during that war. It was brought back as a sitcom with mostly different cast, but they all had tremendous chemistry. It went about 8 seasons with changes in the major characters and they explored so many stories. They had stars on the show and they made stars of the actors. The show could literally have you laughing one minute and crying the next. It has been referenced all over in other shows. Another one you would probably like is Moonlighting, a sitcom about a detective agency from back in the 80's. It made Bruce Willis a star - of comedy! This show was smart and sophisticated and it knew it was a TV show so they let out all the stops on creativity. All the while solving cases and getting in serious danger from time to time. And again, if you are looking for chemistry it delivered. Enjoyed the bull session, like the ST content. Open to the other stuff too. LLAP!

[@rpmfla]

The original Mission: Impossible was great...IMO way better than the movies which are more "action hero".

[@cdfreester]

Totally agree

[@clarkkent1356]

M*A*S*H is a sitcom that ran 11 seasons starting in 1972. It's about an Army field hospital during the Korean War, and it is in color.

[@edgreene4394]

Twitter is a terrible place. Tik Tok is even worse. I feel my mental health is much better off staying away from them both.

[@targetaudience]

Facts

[@dankeefer8859]

This is correct.

[@talynstarburst2l2l2l]

Better to stick to KZbin.

[@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh]

It will be interesting to see how you relate to TNG because you have reacted so well the "the big THREE" in TOS. There is no big three in TNG. Picard is such a huge personality, with scads of experience working with a much younger crew and Data (being a Broadway actor) does a lot of scenery chewing as well. The cast is big and several seasons in when it reaches 8 or 9 regulars who each get their own episode to shine is when TNG is the best.

[@richwagener]

OMG you guys have to watch M*A*S*H. It’s a situation comedy about Doctors in the Korean War, but it’s really a device to comment on Vietnam. It is on of the greatest TV shows ever.

[@richwagener]

I should also mention that M*A*S*H is a smart, quick witted show that sometimes delved into serious topics.

[@LeutnantJoker]

@@richwagener Some of the episodes with Winchester were really really fantastic. Also several BJ episodes... and common... one of our hosts here, I wont name names ;) totally looks like BJ :D

[@Serai3]

47.50 Hey, at least redshirts can hit what they're aiming at. :D ETA: Regarding the whole worship of those classic movies like Citizen Kane, the reason it doesn't do a whole lot for you is that everything in it is stuff you've seen before. Citizen Kane is amazing in a _historical_ context, but leaving that out, 1) it's not a pleasant story, 2) the protagonist is a complete a hole and the movie is all about what an a hole he is, 3) it's stuffed full of creative angles and lighting effects and innovative points-of-view, to the point where the story starts to seem beside the point. Citizen Kane is the origin point for all of that stuff, that's used for decades in all kinds of films. It was mind-blowing for its time (which is why it made Welles's career as a cinematic genius), but as a movie by itself, Kane can be hard to get into.

[@sarahfullerton6894]

I agree. I never had the patience for "Citizen Kane"!

[@oobrocks]

Congratulations; what are we doing to celebrate? Ps: this needs to be a live chat

[@ryanbaillie11]

Oh I didn't think we would be seeing another one of whatever this is so soon! These are great - I hope you keep doing them! Your note about wishing TOS was a little bit shorter stuck out to me, because I'm the same. There are incredible stories in there, but with modern eyes it is hurt a bit by its pacing. It feels like it's somewhat a Roddenberry thing. He had a lot of input into Star Trek: The Motion Picture and the first season of TNG, and both have that slow, pondering quality a lot of the time. The other movies, and all the later seasons of TNG, handle their pacing terrifically though. Come Deep Space 9, I'm glad I watched it at a time I could binge it because otherwise I'd 100% be in a place of "It ended already?! I need more!".

[@jeffborowiak9398]

DS9 👍👍👍

[@kenr8151]

She-Hulk is man bashing though. Outside of Bruce there were four guys in the pilot, the three at the bar and the guy in the office. Was even one portrayed as not a jerk? And during her speech about mansplaining, was she not in fact Hulksplaining all episode long to Bruce? And this doesn't mean I am sexist and hate women, which is the default reply sadly. People keep on saying the fans hate to see women, but the same fans who roll their eyes at Galadriel in the new Tolkien trailers love Eowyn and just spent 10 years loving Arya, Dany, Cersei, Sansa, and Brienne. And they love WW, and loved Ripley 40 yrs ago , and they loved Mrs Peel 60 years ago, and the notion if you don't like something you must be some kind of ist or phobe is just silly.

[@cdfreester]

Our 14-year old daughter who likes the Marvel movies and Disney series was not interested at all in seeing She-Hulk, but once she watched the 1st episode with us, she became hooked. Thanks for your answers to what you liked most and least about Star Trek TOS. I can appreciate what you say about the run-time as far as some episodes were padded and could easily have been shorter while some episodes might have benefited from being longer. As for your likes of TOS, those are what pretty much hooked all of us fans and made it the phenomenon it became. Keep up the good work guys - I thoroughly enjoy your reactions to the shows and films.

[@RogerHaeske]

Realize there would be no Next Generation without the original Star Trek. What you guys don't seem to realize is that TOS was HUGELY popular in the 70s. People watched it like crazy in the reruns. It was the daily reruns that I think made Star Trek so popular. Spock was a huge part of making Star Trek huge too. Likely without Spock there wouldn't have been a TNG either. When I was a kid I had a Star Trek gold captain's shirt and a phaser. This was a common thing. I loved wearing my Star Trek shirt. (And I wouldn't have even have called myself a Trekkie at that young point in time of my childhood.) I think my younger brother had a blue Star Trek shirt and a toy phaser as well. We likely had toy communicators also. I grew up watching Star Trek in the 1970's way before there was even a thought of TNG or Star Trek movies. Even though the show was cancelled after 3 seasons it had a much bigger following than you can imagine. A friend of mine in high school (this was in the early 80s) would watch each episode over and over again. He influenced me to do the same thing. So I've likely seen each episode at least 5 times and my favorites many more times than that. Star Trek (was not called TOS back then because there was only one Star Trek) was also huge in populur culture at the time. So many mentions of it in TV shows and I suppose talk shows too. So yes, TNG was big but only because there was such a HUGE fanbase from the original series. Everyone knew about Star Trek and Mr. Spock and he was sometimes mistakenly called Dr. Spock. TOS was revolutionary and breakthrough in many ways. And it was the extreme popularity of Star Trek in pop culture which created the interest and therefore the huge budget to run such an expensive and high tech TV show as TNG. I had a different friend when I was younger who had a book with all of the technical drawings of the Enterprise ships. There was a huge market for everything related to Star Trek. And this was all before TNG. Just trying to give you some perspective because it seems you two are not aware of these things. Which is natural for your age. But I lived through it and Star Trek was a wide spread cultural phenomena. One more memory, there was one kid in school (I think it was 6th grade for me) who said he was going to skip school to see the first showing the first Star Trek movie. And he did just that and got in trouble for it because I think the teachers had heard of his plans. But this kid really loved Star Trek. For me Kirk and Spock are the best characters. Far better than most of the characters in TNG. Kirk or William Shatner was absolutley the most dynamic character in all of Star Trek in my opinion. Unfortunately the new shows after Enterprise really suck. They are so woke I will not watch them. Though already in Next Generation they were gradually heading toward this woke political agenda of their shows.

[@gerardcote8391]

If you like the Twilight Zone you should check out The Outer Limits, a more hard science fiction than the Twighlight Zone.

[@reverts3031]

You mentioned a Planet Of The Apes TV show. Did you know that in the 1970s there was a Planet of the Apes - animated series for Saturday morning children's television? It was called "Return To The Planet Of The Apes. Did you know we watched so much violence as kids? Yikes!

[@stevewright1539]

If you haven’t seen it already, would love to see a proper reaction to the last Battlestar Galactica. Top five series of all time for me and no one online has done it justice.

[@targetaudience]

We haven’t seen any of it. We will be watching Battlestar Galactica 1978 soon as a Patreon exclusive. Interested in continuing on to the reboot after that for KZbin, only issue would be fitting it in the schedule since it is so long.

[@Finchsterreading]

@@targetaudience Just a heads up-- The reboot started strong, then fell apart right around the time they decided to turn an entire season into a metaphor for the Iraq War. And the finale was awful.

[@njwagoner66]

Just another heads up. Not everyone agrees with @@Finchsterreading. There are a couple places the series drags (as most series do) but I thoroughly enjoyed it and thought the ending was fantastic. Each to their own. You should just watch it and draw your own conclusions.

[@krisdoggett483]

The Outer Limits (60s), Kolchak: The Night Stalker (70s), Tales From The Darkside (80s) and The X Files (90s)are series that would be fun to see you guys react to.

[@Manitsas]

If you are curious about doing Star Trek reactions (not exclusively, of course) forever, you may look to figure out WHAT to watch (Animated, Movies, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, etc), but also in what order and how far outside commercial Star Trek to view. I am of course giving a plug for the fan-series Star Trek Continues that connects TOS right up to Star Trek: The Motion Picture in the series finale. There was also the proposed 1970's series "Star Trek Phase II" that never came to TV but which has had original scripts produced later in the other Star Trek Fan-Series: Star Trek: New Voyages. Phase II included the script "The Child" written by Jon Povil who came back to direct it for the fan-series, and "Kitumba" which was to be a television 2-parter in Phase II. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZOpZKuZebVsbqs

[@LeutnantJoker]

From what I know plenty of TNG season 1&2 scripts where also refurbished Phase II scripts

[@webstersempire]

Shatner Trek is one of the most entertaining series in tv history. The Animated Series, plus TNG seasons 1,2 & 7 are tough watches! Good luck haha😎🖖

[@WEB_78O]

Hey guys, thanks for getting to my questions :) "Whatever This Is" is a perfect title. It's very, Target Audience. Mean that in the best way. I completely get how a full trilogy playthrough of massive RPGs is tough to find time for, would be a massive project, and might just not be as fun to put on the channel as it would be to just enjoy on your own privately. But if you ever find the opportunity to dive into Mass Effect games in particular, treat yourself. Mass Effect has one of the greatest sci-fi worlds ever built, in my opinion. I specifically recommend it as a perfect marriage of elements from both Star Wars and Star Trek. As for the horror genre, I too, love it. Personal favorites: The Exorcist. It will never not creep me out to the core (lingering effect of a religious upbringing).. I also love the Saw movies and think they're super underrated. The Shining and Doctor Sleep are excellent. Not gonna lie, I would totally watch/listen if you guys wanted to do some horror content every so often. Great video. The intro and outro were hilarious. Love the dry humor. Killing it

[@carlosvergara4132]

I've seen people ask in the comments, but again, will you watch Star Trek Continues? It would fit perfectly after the animated series and before the motion picture.

[@LeutnantJoker]

They can watch it as a special. It would also fit after watching the first season of TNG already, since it makes some subtle references to TNG as well. But yes, technically they could watch animated as year 4 and Continues as year 5 of the 5 year mission. It really fits well.

[@targetaudience]

We would make that decision after finishing TOS & TAS depending on what our schedule looks like at that time

[@mjducharme]

One thing I should mention, in case you were not aware, is that commercial breaks became longer over time. The 60's were before my time, but my understanding is that commercial breaks were much shorter then (only 1 minute and then back to the episode), and that is why you have 50 minute episodes. TOS episodes pretty much had to be 50 minutes due to the short length of the commercial breaks. By the time you get up to TNG, the episodes are 44 minutes each, because commercial breaks were longer by the late 1980's. As you go forward from there to DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise, the episodes shrink even further in length to make room for increasing numbers of commercials.

[@anthonybernacchi2732]

And as a result, TOS episodes used to have to be cut in syndication to make room for commercials.

[@mjducharme]

@@anthonybernacchi2732 Yes, I remember seeing TOS episodes for the first time in the 1980's with sections cut, only seeing those portions later when they were released on VHS or streaming.

[@Asher8328]

The only warning I'd give about TNG, which you'll gwt million times between now and then, so I don't really consider it a spoiler, is that they first 2 seasons were an absolute train-wreck. Except for the odd episode here and there, expect every show during those first 2 years to be as bad as anything you've seen in TOS, if not worse. I was watching the show during those years, and I genuinely consider us, the fans, as being the only reason it never got cancelled. The show was trash, we knew it was trash, but we kept watching anyway with the hope that it would eventually get better, which of course, it did. The overall quality takes off in S3 and goes for a good 3-4 seasons before any signs of dropping off.

[@joeyjoejoejr945]

So true. The first two seasons were often referred as "Hotel Enterprise" .

[@geminicricket4975]

I, personally, still prefer TOS over TNG. It was smarter, fresher and more enjoyable. MHO, of course.

[@ravenwind1062]

Though I would agree that TNG gets better as you go along I would hardly say S1 and S2 were "Train Wrecks". If that had been the case we never would've made it to S3 and beyond. S1 they are definitely trying to find a groove, particularly with Picard, but there are still some solid SCI-FI stories happening.

[@Asher8328]

@@geminicricket4975 I do too, but a much longer series run, with more money and stability (from cancellation) behind the scenes, gave TNG opportunities that TOS never had, and no doubt they were able to take advantage of that in many very good episodes.

[@MAMoreno]

I don't think that the first two seasons of TNG are quite as bad as their reputation, but they are very similar to the third season of TOS: an inferior version of TOS seasons 1-2 that does nothing to keep the franchise formula fresh. Starting with season 3, TNG stops trying to be the abandoned Star Trek Phase II and becomes its own show.

[@peadarruane6582]

After Firefly you should check out 'The Expanse' its probably the best scifi produced in recent years. Excellent worldbuilding, quality characters and writing. plus the show has just recently ended and the fan base is craving content. plus the fanbase is passionate. After the third season, Syfy cancelled the show, and a massive fan based campaign saved the show, even crowdfunding to get SavetheExpanse banner to be flown over the Amazon HQ shortly after the announcement of the cancelation. Amazon picked it up for 3 more seasons.

[@LeutnantJoker]

Bosch is another excellent show on Amazon they could check out if they like criminal investigation stuff. It's been my favorite show on Amazon Prime. It's fantastic.

[@handsolo1209]

I would choose Spock too.

[@m.e.3862]

I hope you guys give Andor a chance even if you do it later after watching the episodes. I just like to see your reaction to a sw show about regular people. The smart aspect of old TV is because the writers were usually published authors, playwrights or experienced sceenwriters who actually knew how to write. Have you seen Curb your Enthusiasm? It's basically Seinfeld with swearing. Thanks for all the content and answering our questions 🙂👍

[@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh]

Thanks. I was on the fence about seeing Nope and now I definitely will see it.

[@denveradams4909]

When are you guys going to post reaction to TOS season 3?

[@targetaudience]

We are still getting through season 2 right now

[@pcjamoke]

I'm so glad to see you guys sticking to broad reaction content choices, rather than just what's hot irl. You will soon see that Star Trek TNG has many more episodes than TOS, so there are more good episodes, but more stinkers also. For your own personal viewing enjoyment I recommend "The Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret" With David Cross and Will Arnett. The first two seasons are great for binge watching, with a complete story arc. I REALLY enjoyed it. Hard pass on season 3.

[@billn7183]

Hi , great reactions!! Please keep at it , your channel is better that others with 200K subscribers. To paraphrase "Field of Dreams " do it , they will come " !

[@anthonybernacchi2732]

A major issue which will arise when you get to TAS is that Season 1 Episode 2, "Yesteryear", is more highly acclaimed and widely discussed than any other episode. It would probably be worthwhile for you to do a video devoted to "Yesteryear" alone, but that would be awkward if you're usually doing two episodes per video because there are 21 other episodes. Perhaps you could do the last episode reaction and a series wrap-up in the same video? It's too bad you can't react to the underappreciated 1980s revival of "The Twilight Zone", but I presume it isn't on Paramount Plus. For technical and financial reasons, it's not feasible to present it in high definition, and I believe it's only available on DVD, not Blu-ray or streaming.

[@visionaryventures12]

After the animated series… movies 1-4 !!!! Yay !!!!

[@warofages13]

I’m late to the comments but I would love to see you guys react to futurama, there are so many Star Trek references and love

[@samsonau8205]

You have to know that TV of the 60s and 70s were 48-min runtime with 12-min commercials/announcements. On top of that 24 or 26 episode seasons were normal. In the 90s, runtimes dropped to 42-min and 22 eps per season. Now, you might get ten 40-min episodes per season. This forces the new shows to be at top speed all the time with little room for a breather. I kinda prefer the time used for universe-building. While binging is fun, there is something to be said by watching a story unfold over almost 8 months. It's still better than waiting 3 years between the original SW movies and then waiting another almost 20 years for the second trilogy.

[@nicholasbartonlaw341]

I really enjoy the consecutive approach you take to your reviews. You reference the Twilight Zone a number of times--I would suggest watching those episodes in order and then Serling's spooky and macabre follow up series Night Gallery. You watched/reviewed Forbidden Planet, I would also recommend these vintage sci-fi classics: War of the Worlds (1953), When Worlds Collide (1951), and a Journey to the Center of the Earth (1959). Great reactions and reviews!

[@jimbliss8216]

Thanks, guys...interesting to hear your favorite and least favorite movies & TV. I have a movie suggestion that's perhaps a little obscure: Old Boy. There are two versions (original Korean with subtitles and the US remake). I personally prefer the original. It's got suspense, horror, and an ending that is worth waiting for.

[@stuffyouotterlistento1461]

You guys obviously want to grow and bring in more people, but I have to say that, from my perspective at least, you're in the sweet spot when it comes to community engagement right now. There are enough people with plenty to say about the episodes you're watching, and your reactions to them, but the page isn't so flooded that I'm effectively tossing my own comments into an endless sea, and having them instantly disappear beneath pages of other comments, never to be seen again. I guess that's part of the allure of Patreon though, which can't help but be more exclusive, and therefore more manageable.

[@LeutnantJoker]

It's true, but I feel once the algorithm properly picks them up, this star Trek reaction will explode them into becoming a huge channel. There are sooo many Trek fans out there and nobody else is doing this kind of reaction. It's just a matter of one video getting picked up and recommended to Trek fans on a major scale and off it goes. ANd that usually happens when a channel is somewhere between 5k and 10k subs, so they're not that far away anymore. People will discover this, and with sooo much Trek content still to come, this will really become something special. Nobody else has done a first-watch reaction of all the Star Trek shows. And probably nobody ever will again. Almost everybody interested enough to watch all the shows, has already done so. Having two guys watch them all, going in blind, is SUPER rare and unique.

[@tristanrose1343]

Regarding the reactions to The Animated Series; I think it would be fine if the reaction section is very short, I think the post watch discussion is generally more interesting than the reaction portion of the videos.

[@targetaudience]

Thank you for saying that

[@tristanrose1343]

@@targetaudience You're welcome. Most if not all of us have seen the media and while seeing your reactions to it as its playing is all well and good, I feel like the real "meat and potatoes" comes in the post viewing discussion and even often in the discussion that sometimes takes place in the next episode intro if its one that has a gap between it and the last one that you watched and has given you more time to reflect on it.

[@Daniel-Strain]

Mandalorian is amazing - some of the best SW in years, yall should do it. And I think Andor is going to win you back. As for Trek, I can't wait until yall get to the TOS movies! :) On older stuff - you guys should check out "12 Angry Men".

[@lewi7275]

Guys, you’re not there yet but two things I wanted to point out to you one is that there is a subsection of Star Trek fans. I found this out when I was in community college that there is a whole section of fans the boom we watched and only will watch DS9 episodes of Star Trek, a loser trackers not Trekkies which is interesting. You’re at the movies right now and I am going to catch up to you movie level. I am interested in watching your animated Star Wars run because I didn’t watch that one originally aired and I’m having trouble buying on DVD, but I did get rebels , the other thing I wanted to let you guys know about them somebody might not have mentioned it yet is when you get to the end of enterprise, there is an independent film that is on KZbin called Star Trek Horison which was made independently, but they like use the set of Star Trek enterprise before it was all broken up and sold during the Christie’s auction, but it really had Netflix picked up for 13 season round of enterprise. This TV movie which was independently made would’ve been the basically between season four and season five, and before you watch discovery of the new Star Trek you should see this independent film

[@MrDeadstu]

You guys are mentioning "The Shining" a lot while talking about "Nope", have you guys seen "The Exorcist" (1980) or "The Thing" (1982) ?

[@markfilla9305]

Regarding the actor playing the lead in She Hulk - that's Tatiana Maslany. If you'd like to check out some earlier work by her, I'd recommend her break out series Orphan Black (she won an Emmy for it). It's a sci-fi series involving clones. She's phenomenal in it.

[@RicheeRich101]

WOW! Midnight Mass! I've been flirting with watching it. Thanks, Alex! I'm starting it TONIGHT! Totally intrigued.

[@LeutnantJoker]

Regarding the pee break. TOS and most of the other Star Trek shows still had ad breaks, which are pretty obvious... music swells up.. fade to black... that's where the ad breaks were. That's an idea place to edit your video and actually take a pee break, stretch your legs a bit and come back to it. every show has 2 of those I think, so you can easily make yourselves a bit more comfortable. When these shows originally aired, there were two breaks where people could get some snacks or go pee. Originally nobody watched these in one go, so why should you? Take the break if you need it. If nothing else that will actually be closer to the original experience

[@davidclough3951]

While you guys were talking about the twilight zone I recalled a scene from 3rd Rick From the Sun that had a twilight zone reference. Good comedy sitcom if you haven't seen it before.

[@davidclough3951]

Rock, dang autocorrect

[@LeutnantJoker]

Regarding TNG -> Enterprise... I'm not sure you're aware of this, but.. when TNG started, all the way to the last episode of Enterprise, this was basically the golden era of Star Trek.. there was no time in this era where there was no Star Trek on television. The shows partially overlapped and one started when the other began. There was always Star Trek on TV in that time. That began with the first episode of TNG and ended with the last Episode of Enterprise. So once you enter that era, it's really something special

[@LeutnantJoker]

You'll definitely enjoy TNG once you get there. The first two seasons are a BIT weaker on average, but once season 3 hits it becomes the best Star Trek there is. Watching the shows in release order will actually be interesting. DS9 basically starts in parallel to I think season 5 of TNG, so they ran in parallel with the occasional crossover. Then TNG ended and some of the TNG movies were in parallel with the DS9 show.. and then Voyager started in parallel with season 5 or so of DS9. Enterprise is a prequel show that played before Kirk's era about the early times of Humans in space, where the warp drive was still the new hotness. It's a pretty good show I think. It didn't get as much love back then, but especially the last season was amazing IMO, also it's pretty much the last show of good old trek. They're all worth watching and all bring something new to the table. TNG is the best classic trek has to offer, but DS9 also explores some more deep moral issues, gets a bit darker sometimes, has a much bigger cast with more aliens and more cultural exploration and really fantastic stories, and also features the best friendship between two people in all of Star Trek. They are all wonderful shows and I can't wait for you to get to them :) Once you get into the crossover parts, you probably should watch one ep TNG, then one ep DS9 per week, because as i said, at a certain point they ran in parallel. The TOS movies are also absolutely great. Some a bit weaker, Star Trek V being probably the contender for the worst one, but even that one has absolutely fantastic character moments and I think of all the TOS movies, even though the main plot isn't that great, that one focuses the most on the relationship between the big three, and that alone makes it great for me.

[@ryanbaillie11]

_"also features the best friendship between two people in all of Star Trek"_ You can tell it's a good show when I can't say definitively which friendship you are talking about. There are really so many. Bashir and O'Brien?

[@LeutnantJoker]

@@ryanbaillie11 yes :)

[@LeutnantJoker]

@@ryanbaillie11 especially considering they love the Characters stuff the most, I think they'll love DS9

[@rymerster]

DS9 started midway through season 6 of TNG, specifically between Chain of Command and Ship In A Bottle, so there’s not too much crossover. I watched it all in release order at the time and you had some very complementary episodes in those crossover seasons.

[@ryanbaillie11]

@@rymerster Certainly. I regret that I watched one show at a time, because I think alternating episodes would have made for a better viewing experience - even if there was only a crossover here and there.

[@Real_LiamOBryan]

I used to love Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction. Here's a list I found on Reddit that describes my childhood/teenage years completely. "I was into all those darker shows in the '90s and early 2000s. Forever Knight Highlander: The Series Millennium X-Files Friday the 13th: the series The Outer Limits (1995) The Twilight Zone (2002) Psi Factor: Chronicles of the Paranormal Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction I used to like some of the older stuff, too, such as: Night Gallery Tales from the Darkside Darkroom Dark Shadows"

[@Andy-ju8bb]

The Animated Series was good as it allowed them to do quite a few things that either weren't possible in live action at the time or the tech was too much in its early days to make it look good. Just one word of warning: the animator for the series was slightly colour blind, so there are some odd colour choices. For a long time Roddenberry did not count the Animated Series as canon, largely to do with issues around licensing rights but also (allegedly) a habit of not regarding any episode as not canon if it didn't turn out how he wanted it to. It's largely regarded as canon now for several reasons: some of the things that were once specific to it have since reappeared in canon films/series, CBS (who now own the rights) have said it's canon, and also some of the episodes (especially Yesteryear) really resonated with fans.

[@dankeefer8859]

Hold on, you love Beyond Belief but haven't seen TNG? So when you guys get to TNG, you're gonna look at Riker and be like hey that's the host of Beyond Belief! That's just funny to me. It's like watching TOS and being like hey there's the guy from TJ Hooker!

[@LeutnantJoker]

Well in the movies he's going to look more like TJ too :D

[@Vulcanerd]

Man, I think Josh would love the storytelling of Mass Effect.

[@jonbolton3376]

I was born in 1980. Glad to hear you are both fana of Halloween, my favourite movie (i first saw it when i was 5) obviously you mentioned other horrors i love too such as Scream and ANOES, (i also prefer Dream Warriors over the original). I got into Star Trek TOS when i was about 10, Voyager when i was about 15, and DS9 and TNG in my early 30's, but my favourite series is DS9.

[@jonbolton3376]

Btw my favourite tv show is the Australian drama, Prisoner, or as we call it in England, Prisoner: Cell Block H, which i've been obsessed with since 1993 .

[@stephenward7856]

Agree 100%, Midnight Mass was brilliant!!!!

[@JAYWALKER1000]

The only animated episode just about everyone considers canon is S1E2 Yesteryear. There are no arcs - it's episodic like TOS. Since Walter Koenig is not in the cast he contributed a story. There are a couple of character returns and an adaptation of a Larry Niven story. If you don't expect too much of it you might be able to get thru all 22 without pulling the plug.

[@Adam_Le-Roi_Davis.]

This was great, thank you for doing this. There are many films and TV series that I could recommend, but I'm holding off for the moment to pick the best ones which aren't too long like Star Trek, TNG, as it is so long, I feel like there are plenty of Star Trek series with much to offer, TAS, TNG, Deep Space 9, Voyager, and even Enterprise.

[@LeutnantJoker]

Enterprise was still great. It just needed some time to take off, and I'm still mad it didn't get further seasons. TNG and DS9 were both also crap in their first two seasons.. honestly I think the first two seasons of Enterprise are way better than the first two of TNG and DS9... and in season 4 the show really showed what it could do... shouldn't have been cancelled, that show was going places.

[@Adam_Le-Roi_Davis.]

@@LeutnantJoker Agreed, the problem is that TV executives get twitchy and panic and cancel things just as they're getting good.

[@Stephanie-StarTrekFan-is-Muji]

I think the more you watch Star Trek the more you will get subscribers. You will likely get more subscribers with The Next Generation (TNG) and the same with all of the subsequent incarnations of Star Trek.

[@LeutnantJoker]

Just look at how successful the RLM videos are where they discuss TNG episodes. There are so many ST fans out there who are not really enjoying this new stuff and will eventually find this channel. Going with this, reacting to all the classic Star Trek shows, is something no other channel has done, not even RLM. This channel can easily explode. They just need to reach that critical threshold where the algorithm picks up on it and starts recommending it to ST fans, and it'll grow like nuts. These guys can easily reach 100k with this, and considering that TNG and DS9 have 7 seasons each alone, plus the movies and Voyager and Enterprise... they can do this for a LOOONG time.

[@gordondavis6168]

If you want to see the origins of Star Trek, watch the movie Forbidden Planet - a military ship operated by a United Earth, commanded by a Captain who is a hit with ladies and who bares his soul to the ship’s Doctor.

[@targetaudience]

We watched it - it’s on the channel

[@jeffborowiak9398]

M*A*S*H is an American war comedy-drama television series that aired on CBS from September 17, 1972 to February 28, 1983.

[@jamessatter7418]

You guys might like the Planet of the Apes TV series from the Seventies. It only ran for a season so it isn't a big commitment.

[@empirejeff]

TNG gets better.

[@rini6]

Mr Robot is a cult favorite and received critical accolades. It moved beyond anything any other show has. You guys should watch if you haven’t.

[@brandonflorida1092]

The animated series was like tossing a bone to the fanatical fans who were very unhappy that the series had been cancelled. It was a long time between the end of the animated series and the first movie and longer still until "The Next Generation." Also, in my opinion, no "Trek" show after Gene Roddenberry's death ever had the same level of quality and inspiration, although some were quite good. I'm happy that you've watched some older movies because it means that you might be amenable to watching some on your channel, which frankly, is probably the only thing I'd return for, other than "Star Trek." In fact, if your channel were not so exclusively recent material, I'd probably subscribe. "Citizen Kane" isn't the most entertaining movie, but when it came out it was an encyclopedia of cinematic technique. I'd rate "Casablanca" as "okay." Its one noteworthy aspect is Bogart's performance. However, 99% of history's greatest movies came out before "Star Wars."

[@LeutnantJoker]

DS9 was definitely not a Rodenberry show but it absolutely had some of the best Trek stories ever.

[@brianeslinger3639]

sure I would watch a 8 to 9 minute review on the anamated Star Trek I never watched the series so I guess. now would be a good time to finely watch it😃 Brian from Northeast Ohio 🖖

[@BossNerd]

Thanks Josh - I've never had a term to describe why I think TOS is better than the other SciFi shows - "smart". I know Josh has seen a lot of the Twilight Zone but I would personally love to see you guys review at least a few of the episodes. As an aside - I think It would be hilarious to see you guys review something like I Love Lucy.

[@narkybark]

If I were to vote about Star Trek, I'd skip the Animated series. Perhaps view the movies up to Undiscovered Country. Then to TNG (and fair warning, TNG is real stiff and hokey before it finds its legs.) And even though it's so far away, I'd hope you'd get to Deep Space 9, I think you guys would love it. Slightly different flavor, but it's got the best characters and villians.

[@LeutnantJoker]

I think it's worth watching everything. The animated show is quick to get through. Trust me I can't wait for them to reach DS9, especially since that show arguably has the best character stories of all the Star Trek shows, but I also don't want to rush them, and would love for them to make the whole journey through how Star Trek evolved until it hit its peak at DS9 season 5 probably. But even Enterprise was still pretty good (aside from that horrible horrible last episode... still a tragedy that that travesty was the last ever classic trek episode)

[@empirejeff]

With all the money that they spend on trying to make a good Hulk movie, they could probably just make an actual hulk.

[@anthonybernacchi2732]

You wouldn't like it when it was angry, though.

[@torresilk4277]

Man cannot live by Trek alone. 👍🏼

[@gallendugall8913]

The Animated Series is not canon. TNG has its moments, but it takes a few seasons to "find its feet" AKA pay off Roddenberry so he stops deliberately sabotaging the show in order to extract more money from the production. Once he gets paid off the show improves dramatically. TNG is fun to watch in high-def as you can see how the whole set is held together with dry wall screws in all the future space control panels. If you want to watch something retro/smart try the German made Space Patrol Orion (available on KZbin) which was a contemporary of the original runs of Trek and Doctor Who

[@tempest20000]

Actually I think TAS is now canon. Cause Lower Decks is canon and they mention “The Infinite Vulcan” in an episode as well as including Lt. Ajax’s species in an episode. In the second episode of Season 2, they even show the remains of the Infinite Vulcan. They also show pictures of the animated series referring to Kirk during the Cerritos mission to Beta 3. So I guess it is canon now.

[@visionaryventures12]

A number of things in Yesteryear have been used in filmed live action material.

[@momokomiyafuji396]

The Animated Series IS canon.

[@RicheeRich101]

@@tempest20000 if that Lower Decks garbage is canon, then The Flintstones is a natural history documentary.

[@m.e.3862]

The forge was shown in Enterprise along with other Vulcan stuff like a sehlat were both in TAS. Also the first time we see a rec room (holodeck) is in TAS.

[@sparky6086]

TNG is too PC. TOS is the best.

[@gallendugall8913]

Whatever this is? It's a "thing". Whenever you come across something in space and you don't know what it is then it is a thing.

[@rymerster]

Don’t bury yourself in the part.

[@mikejankowski6321]

And then you blow it up with your phasers.

[@ProfAfonso]

I think you guy could watch 3 at the time, they are fun, but not so deep like TOS.

[@modelkittrove8311]

When it comes to TOS the Animates series I would recommend just doing a sample of episodes, like maybe 5. Yesteryear, More Trouble more Tribbles, Mudd's Passion are all ones I think you would appreciate as they connect back to the live action series. I'm sure a sample of a select number of episodes could be determined by a pole though. I'm just not sure you need to do all of them because while the Animated series has its own kinda charm, and has a few gems, overall there is some drop in quality in story telling IMO; besides I am looking forward to you getting to the movies. By the way, thanks for doing such thoughtful and enjoyable videos. Peace.

[@Vulcanerd]

I’m a Trek person (I do like SW, for sure), but it bums me out to know that Alex, a SW person’s fire for the franchise seems to have dimmed some... ☹️

[@LeutnantJoker]

Who's fire for SW hasn't dimmed after all the crap they put out. Mandalorian gave people some hope but then the other shows were a massive dumpster fire again. And even Mando i season 2 was basically just a camo fest and a spinoff spawning show. The plot itself wasn't all that interesting.

[@Vulcanerd]

@@LeutnantJoker Aw, I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe it's b/c I come more from a Trek background so I... dunno, guess coming at it from a different angle? But, I've enjoyed most of the new series with some exceptions, the worst of which I'd call... unspectacular. The movies, with the exception of RO, TFA - with a caveat - and, oddly Solo, I have not cared for at all. They seemingly introduced new characters I got excited about, but then just went absolutely nowhere. Finn? Nowhere. Po, eh. Phasma? Nowhere. Knights of Ren? Nowhere. And Palpatine shows up... *from* nowhere. Ok, maybe I get what you guys are saying 😂 I think the series have been good to 'eh'. Nothing quite anger inducing like the last couple of SW movies for me, anyway.

[@rpmfla]

I probably shouldn't admit this but...I am basically a tall, skinny George Costanza.

[@mikejankowski6321]

No, you shouldn't.

[@rpmfla]

@@mikejankowski6321 "You know, if you take everything I’ve accomplished in my entire life and condense it down into one day, it looks decent."

[@mikejankowski6321]

@@rpmfla I can appreciate that.

[@talynstarburst2l2l2l]

In regards to She Hulk, the toxicity is a two way street. The writers even admitted to their intentions of targeting and triggering fans. People not liking it.. it’s not because she is a woman.

[@targetaudience]

The necessary context here is that this was recorded right after the first episode premiered and the toxicity we spoke of was all prior to the show even coming out. I have no problem with someone not liking the show now that it’s out.

[@talynstarburst2l2l2l]

@@targetaudience ah that is true. I am from the future catching up to your last content after all. Thanks for your response 🙂

[@frankb3347]

For me peak Trek is TNG seasons 3-7 and DS9 seasons 3-7. The first two seasons of both are rough but once they get going they're really good. Looking forward to you guys eventually getting around to those. The new shows/movies from 2009 on aren't really Trek in my personal opinion.

[@LeutnantJoker]

I'd say seasons 3-5 for both. the last seasons on both were starting to wind down a bit. I think season 5 is best for both. But yes, both of those shows were absolutely Trek at its peak. Golden age of Trek. TNG was more the classical trek with star fleet crew and DS9 explored more aliens, bigger cast and more character driven stuff. Really a great time. And yes, everything after Enterprise isn't Star Trek (arguably even the last Enterprise episode was pretty bad already :D )

[@frankb3347]

@@LeutnantJoker Sure but seasons 6 and 7 of both were still far superior to season 1 and 2 of either. I feel that even Voyager wasn't that great but it was alright so I include it in the classic 90s Trek trifecta. Enterprise was a good idea but the execution was not good. The cast didn't have any chemistry together. That said I'm still disappointed they didn't get a chance to cover the Romulan War.

[@gerardcote8391]

OR...... One guy films while the other sits on the couch and then they switch.