The Worst Tolkien Adaptation That Never Got Made: John Boorman’s Lord of the Rings Script, Pt. 1

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@virginiahansen320
@virginiahansen320 2 жыл бұрын
We really lucked out with the LOTR trilogy by Peter Jackson. It was a time when the technology existed to do it right, the cultural environment was sane enough to not have a bunch of weird 70's stuff, but it hadn't become politically absurd like it is now. There truly couldn't have been a better time.
@aesir1ases64
@aesir1ases64 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@RickTBL
@RickTBL 2 жыл бұрын
I think the current "thinking" will eat itself, eventually. It's unsubstainable.
@RichardJamesStayAtHomeDad
@RichardJamesStayAtHomeDad 2 жыл бұрын
@@RickTBL It cycles in and out, there will be a revolt against it soon enough
@Dinoslay
@Dinoslay 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely.
@SnakeWasRight
@SnakeWasRight 2 жыл бұрын
The political crap in the Rings of Power is actually not even the worst of the writing in that show. It's a crutch those writers use to get attention because they *literally* have *zero* actual writing talent. And I mean 'literally' literally.
@nochsta
@nochsta 2 жыл бұрын
“Frodo really left the Shire in September, not springtime.” Me: *confused Australian noises*
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Well Frodo and Boorman were both in the Northern Hemisphere so… lol
@franklinb81
@franklinb81 2 жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast and middle earth :)
@KororaPenguin
@KororaPenguin Жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast Basically, Frodo lives in the Shire, not the Yellow Mountains.
@wompastompa3692
@wompastompa3692 2 жыл бұрын
Aragorn dual wielding a single sword is top tier comedy.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely.
@wlg2677
@wlg2677 2 жыл бұрын
A single handed sword in each hand? Or handling a single handed sword with both hands?
@forests.9597
@forests.9597 8 ай бұрын
​@@wlg2677Worse, 2 shards of a sword, 1 in each hand
@charlesdexterward7781
@charlesdexterward7781 2 жыл бұрын
I dunno... those magic mushrooms may have finally solved the riddle of Bombadil.
@NerdoftheRings
@NerdoftheRings 2 жыл бұрын
I love that you covered this! I’ve been meaning to do a video on it for some time and just haven’t gotten around to it. No matter how Amazon’s adaptation turns out, it’s nothing compared to this dodged bullet! 😂
@Relics_of_Arda
@Relics_of_Arda 2 жыл бұрын
However there are many Lore inaccuracies in Rings of Power, at least in the trailer.
@istari0
@istari0 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Amazon is trying very hard.
@Relics_of_Arda
@Relics_of_Arda 2 жыл бұрын
@@istari0 You should go check out Council of the Rings videos on the Amazon series.
@istari0
@istari0 2 жыл бұрын
@@Relics_of_Arda I've seen them all.
@Relics_of_Arda
@Relics_of_Arda 2 жыл бұрын
@@istari0 I personally don't agree with many of Amazons choices.
@christianefiorito3204
@christianefiorito3204 2 жыл бұрын
Its really sweet of you that in this trying times not only for Tolkien fans you are so kind to tell us, it could be even worse.
@stevemonkey6666
@stevemonkey6666 2 жыл бұрын
When I was about 10 years old I wrote a complete script for Lord of the Rings in crayon. I never imagined we would be talking about it here today....
@freydycat1416
@freydycat1416 2 жыл бұрын
I wish this had been made for the sheer cult film fever dream audacity of it I think the writer got some of those suspicious mushrooms
@earlofbroadst
@earlofbroadst 2 жыл бұрын
This is rather ironic, given that Boorman's *Excalibur* is probably the most faithful screen adaptation of the Arthur legend.
@celtofcanaanesurix2245
@celtofcanaanesurix2245 2 жыл бұрын
ain't that the funniest thing, of a list of all the people I'd expect to ruin lord of the rings in film adaptation, I would've put Peter Jackson way higher than him, but it goes to show that not always can we know how such things will turn out until they do... Or as Merlin said in Excalibur, there is no way of knowing what's in the cake until you take a bite, and by then it's too late.
@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023
@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023 2 жыл бұрын
@@celtofcanaanesurix2245 Peter Jackson was held in check by a literal army of genuine Tolkien lovers around him, spearheaded by Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens who were flanked by, just to name a few: Christopher Lee, Alan Lee, John Howe, Ngila Dickson, and Henry Mortensen's influence on his father Viggo.
@jkhristian9603
@jkhristian9603 2 жыл бұрын
@@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023 He also didn’t have the studio making him change things and pad things out like in the Hobbit.
@istredify
@istredify 2 жыл бұрын
@@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023 And let us be honest - when Sir Christopher Lee told you something, you obeyed...
@aesir1ases64
@aesir1ases64 2 жыл бұрын
After hearing of this trevesty of script I have even more appreciation for PJ's LOTR, if that was even possible lol
@hglundahl
@hglundahl 2 жыл бұрын
11:56 _"because they soon started to get you giggly .."_ Oh, you _didn't_ mean legal trouble with Farmer Maggott's lawyers, if they were too many for his dogs?
@velvet_victor
@velvet_victor 2 жыл бұрын
As weird as it is, I still wish I could watch it
@stevemonkey6666
@stevemonkey6666 2 жыл бұрын
Boorman's LOTR will rank with Jodorowsky's Dune as adaptations of beloved books that thankfully went nowhere
@johnnyskinwalker4095
@johnnyskinwalker4095 8 ай бұрын
speak for yourself. I think Jodo's Dune would have been a masterpiece
@earlofbroadst
@earlofbroadst 2 жыл бұрын
Golly, this sounds like a fever dream. How much you wanna bet the scriptwriters were on Nyquil when they wrote it?
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 2 жыл бұрын
John Boorman admitted to heavy recreational drug use during this period, which also explains *Zardoz.* Not to mention this *LotR* was intended to be a counterculture film.
@joannemoore3976
@joannemoore3976 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣 I was gone at the Black Riders fighting with spears... and then it got even better with Elves on ponies. What a hot mess! It's like the script just lifted small details (ie fog, aggressive trees) and drops them in anyhow and anywhere. I first read LOTR age 15 in 1977 and was blissfully unaware of this madness.
@Enerdhil
@Enerdhil 2 жыл бұрын
It's those psychedelic mushrooms the script writer was munching on.
@WilliamMoses355
@WilliamMoses355 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like it could give Jodorowsky's Dune a run for its money in the category of "strangest movie never made."
@FalkZad
@FalkZad 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 2 жыл бұрын
@@FalkZad It's the natural comparison.
@guyr3618
@guyr3618 2 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to film this.
@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023
@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023 2 жыл бұрын
I physically flinched when you said "... probably three videos" -- your sacrifice is noted and deeply appreciated.
@Eudaimonist
@Eudaimonist 2 жыл бұрын
I love Excalibur, though that movie was a bit trippy at times as well. I'm trying to imagine LOTR done in a way that resembles Excalibur and it blows my mind.
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
My main problem with Excalibur was the totally hammy acting. 😂
@weallliveintrees
@weallliveintrees 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I can almost imagine this monstrosity. A splendid mixture of the films ‘If’, ‘The Ruling Class’ and ‘The Whicker Man’ utilising every classically trained British thespian from the cast of ‘Dad’s Army’ to Leonard Rossiter and the always wonderful and over the top Brian Blessed. We wanted Led Zeppelin for the soundtrack but ended up with The Wurzels, perfect. Probably better than the absolutely dire plan to have The Beatles make their own version of LOTR’s in the 1960's.
@CriticalCoen
@CriticalCoen 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, Brian Blessed as Gandalf would be hilarious.
@sambakich7494
@sambakich7494 2 жыл бұрын
My brother has proposed Brian Blessed as Tom Bombadil.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 2 жыл бұрын
@@CriticalCoen I'm sad we never got this. Brian Blessed would be a perfect Gandalf.
@quycksylver4822
@quycksylver4822 2 жыл бұрын
The elves on ponies made me laugh so hard I missed the next 5 minutes of the video. That's...quite an image, lol.
@deazl666
@deazl666 2 жыл бұрын
Boorman also directed Deliverance.
@hglundahl
@hglundahl 2 жыл бұрын
13:48 I am starting to get a feeling, Tolkien's text made very little sense to Boorman, and he proceded to change it to something more relateable and reader friendly (his presumed pov, not my actual one).
@PutItAway101
@PutItAway101 2 жыл бұрын
The script is very John Boorman, which also means it's very not Tolkien
@zenonorth1193
@zenonorth1193 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my. I've been reading the books for years so I've always had some reservations about the Peter Jackson films (although I think they're a remarkable achievement in film per se), but never have I appreciated Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh so much as while watching this vid!
@erickpoorbaugh6728
@erickpoorbaugh6728 2 жыл бұрын
The Peter Jackson trilogy are my favorite films of all time. The one thing that can make them look bad is comparing them to the books, which makes them look like trash. It’s actually interesting just how much my feelings about the movies do a 180 depending on whether I also have the books in my mind.
@TallisKeeton
@TallisKeeton 2 жыл бұрын
As role-models for a woman goes :) those two screenwriters are one of the highest on my personal list of female icons :) alongside Helen Clark PM of NZ at the times of filming LOTR :)
@ThriftEGaming
@ThriftEGaming 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know this existed until now. It's amazing how many little obscurities there are attached to a franchise like Middle Earth.
@pwmiles56
@pwmiles56 2 жыл бұрын
Dan Stride's blog, A Phuulish Fellow, has a nice piece about this script. There is a detailed account at The Tolkien Gateway. Boorman wrote it for United Artists who had purchased the film rights in 1968. It reminded me of Bored of the Rings, the 1969 Harvard Lampoon parody novel.
@thegorgon7063
@thegorgon7063 2 жыл бұрын
Fever dream... Probably from being told you have to adapt the whole story into a single film.
@anarionelendili8961
@anarionelendili8961 2 жыл бұрын
Boorman was also the director/writer/producer of Zardoz (1974), so I am not surprised that it gets weird. I could actually get on board with some of the changes. Like Arwen being the healer and the healing happening on screen rather than between cuts. This giving Arwen more visibiity within the story (since she is very much a mute 'prize' in the published LotR story (outside of the Appendices), although I am so not sure why the ~3000 year old Arwen needs to look 13... Perhaps best not to dwell too much on that. The idea of Gimli being ready to chop the infected arm off is nice, too, although I am not sure how that is going to work if the wound is on the shoulder. But yeah, the script so far definitely would have needed at least another revision to correct for the inconsistencies of the One Ring and Gandalf. And maybe go a bit easier on the mushrooms (both in the script and while writing it).
@Bombur888
@Bombur888 2 жыл бұрын
Litteral 3000 years old loli trope XD .
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 2 жыл бұрын
Anarion Elendil It reads like classic Boorman. Crazy, but also insightful. I've read his own memoir of his working on the screenplay and he was very upset about the project being cancelled.
@rotwang2000
@rotwang2000 2 жыл бұрын
Some people believe it would have been something like Excalibur others think it would have been more like Zardoz ...
@lordinquisitordunn336
@lordinquisitordunn336 2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome! I knew you would have a unique experience with this script
@michaelpalerino5276
@michaelpalerino5276 2 жыл бұрын
Most likely Arwen would have been played by Boorman's daughter, Katrine. She was in Excalibur.
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 2 жыл бұрын
So was his other daughter, Teschle.
@mikestanmore2614
@mikestanmore2614 2 жыл бұрын
A reward for halflings. This puts me in mind of Warner Bros. 'Duck Season!' 'Hobbit Season!' 'Duck Season!' 'Hobbit Season!'
@charleslarrivee2908
@charleslarrivee2908 2 жыл бұрын
So the Soviet LOTR tv movie isn't actually the strangest adaptation conceived? 🤣 It's fascinating that there are still bits where Boorman is clearly cribbing from the source material (like the scene of Gandalf's voice urging Frodo to take off the Ring, which reminds me of a similar scene in the book at Amon Hen) while still not understanding the assignment.
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s really strange how he recontextualizes some things.
@tominiowa2513
@tominiowa2513 2 жыл бұрын
"So the Soviet LOTR tv movie" - search for *Khraniteli* if interested.
@jaredmarkham7300
@jaredmarkham7300 2 жыл бұрын
Always ❤️ your videos can't wait for the next livestream.
@darshansenthil
@darshansenthil 2 жыл бұрын
Oooh this is hilarious - it’d be funny if someone recreated this in a parodic way, like Spaceballs vs. Star Wars. Great video, really excited for the next the rest of the series!
@Leahi84
@Leahi84 2 жыл бұрын
This is great! I can't wait for the next part. So insane!
@toddkoonce5224
@toddkoonce5224 2 жыл бұрын
I swear I keep getting flashes of the 70’s animated Lord of the Rings with almost every scene being described…
@belmiris1371
@belmiris1371 2 жыл бұрын
Does Frodo get intimate with the voluptuous hobbit lass wearing full plate armor?
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
No, but maybe someone else….
@Golux5
@Golux5 2 жыл бұрын
As I show my age.... By the time JRRT passsed, I was sad to know that there were no new works coming. Shows you what I knew. By that time I had read LOTR at least 23 times. So I paid attention to adaptations. The Beatles adaptation was before my time but I remember all the other adaptations, including seeing some in a movie theater - first run. Boorman could do no wrong after "Deliverance" but next came "Zardoz". It was quite a trip. "The penis is bad, the gun is good." Sean Connery in a red onez diaper or a wedding dress are just a few of the highlights. I have the DVD and it fun to hear his commentary, referring to LOTR. But "Excalibur" was quite a bit of fun if you enjoy weird movies. It is best to first watch it, then watch with the commentary. To me, the best part is when Uther is shagging Igrayne. It was silly to see Uther in full plate armor but when you find out from the commentary that Igrayne is played by Katrine Boorman, the director's daughter. My first husband liked to go to the movies so I saw the animated movies in theaters. But by the time the LOTR came out it was me and my two kids so I didn't see them in a theater. I have seen all Tolkien movies released in the US up to the Hobbit movies. I have not seen them. I enjoyed "Zardoz". and "Excalibur" but I was happy that Boorman did not adapt LOTR. I still would like to see an adaptation of "Board of the Rings"
@1JOE4U
@1JOE4U 2 жыл бұрын
Boorman was an amazing artist. He wouldn't be doing an adaptation an average fan would have appreciated, but his films are wonderful.
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 2 жыл бұрын
Boorman wasn't without his share of duds. *Zardoz* and *Exorcist II* are regarded as milestones of bad movies, and his *LotR* would have been in the same boat. Even divorced from the source material, this script is absolutely terrible on its own merits. It's hilarious, but for all the wrong reasons. It's for the best that he never made this movie. Not only would this have been a massive embarrassment on his resume, but it would have poisoned people's perceptions of the books. By contrast, *Excalibur* is easily one of his most beloved films, so ultimately everything worked out for the better.
@1JOE4U
@1JOE4U 2 жыл бұрын
@@reidmason2551 how things are "regarded" (i assume you mean by the general public) is largely a meaningless indication of worth. as I said "He wouldn't be doing an adaptation an average fan would have appreciated". Zardoz is a great cinematic achievement, and Exorcist 2 isn't a bad film by any means. Curious if you've seen anything like Last Year at Marienbad and what you think of it if so and yes, Excalibur is awesome and I'm glad it exists
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 2 жыл бұрын
@@1JOE4U A man after my own heart. All three are movies I love. Boorman is an amazing, visionary film maker. Admittedly he's as bad at dialogue as George Lucas but no one's perfect.
@KororaPenguin
@KororaPenguin Жыл бұрын
​@@alanpennie8013 Even the Prequel Trilogy is light-years ahead of Mickey Hawkchow's Star Wars trilogy.
@MsMelyjean
@MsMelyjean 2 жыл бұрын
This is fun. Can't wait until the next one.
@gandalfolorin-kl3pj
@gandalfolorin-kl3pj 2 жыл бұрын
Geek, it is amazing that your sanity is intact after reading this much of such an asinine script. I'm not sure the Amazon series is going to be at all superior to this mess given the leaks we have seen. But lead on! The more we understand the stupidity of some treatments, the more we can support a good rendering of Tolkien's works when we find one. Namarie.
@Enerdhil
@Enerdhil 2 жыл бұрын
At least they didn't have the Hobbits cut down the Party Tree and make wagons out of them for their journey.🙄
@Sutorenja
@Sutorenja 2 жыл бұрын
not gonna lie... I want to look into a paralell dimension and see this film
@schattenvolkofficial1121
@schattenvolkofficial1121 2 жыл бұрын
😂🤣 "The Lord of the Axe" sounds like a Netflix spin-off about the merry adventures of Legolas and Gimli that took place in their travels after the book ... 🤔 Apparently titled during lots of drinking games ... 😆🤪
@nochsta
@nochsta 2 жыл бұрын
Now I actually really want to see it, just because of how ridiculous it sounds.
@jkhristian9603
@jkhristian9603 2 жыл бұрын
Boorman did Deliverance as well.
@hglundahl
@hglundahl 2 жыл бұрын
27:21 Other theory, a Tolkien society (perhaps not affiliated) with lots of Masonic side inspirations used LotR as very loose basis for rituals. Boorman's script describes these more than the book.
@AnandVenigalla
@AnandVenigalla 2 жыл бұрын
According to Ian Nathan’s Peter Jackson biography, Boorman did influence Jackson’s LOTR movies; Boorman loved those movies, and Jackson loved EXCALIBUR. So even if Boorman did not make his LOTR movies, it’s all for the better.
@Steven_Edwards
@Steven_Edwards 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who's eaten mushrooms of legal questionability more times than I can count, I have to say, none of the hallucinations one will see are anywhere nearly this bad or this strong, they're actually quite mild and overrated as far as psychotropics go...of course, I guess since hobbits eat a lot, one could assume they were consuming a heroic dose, so maybe it IS the one bit of accurate writing in all of this trash.
@mastervader4444
@mastervader4444 2 жыл бұрын
I don't wanna die without watching morgoth on a movie😢
@DimitriNosarev
@DimitriNosarev 2 жыл бұрын
OMG!! I loved it when Galadriel declared: "There is a tempest in me! I am quadruple vaccinated and six time boosted against Covid-19 and that is why I can do what I can do," - hot tears started streaming down my cheeks. What a truthful telling of Tolkien's masterpiece! So brave and stunning!!
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 2 жыл бұрын
You joke, but that wouldn't be out of place in Boorman's script at all. The whole thing is pure insanity.
@David-jl1pk
@David-jl1pk 3 ай бұрын
This sounds like the same screen writer who did the script for the 80s version of Dune or Starship Troopers.😎
@rodcostav
@rodcostav Ай бұрын
So basically what lotr would be if amazon would adapt it
@andreaswojtylo7167
@andreaswojtylo7167 2 жыл бұрын
The only thing I can think of as respunse: DUDE!!!! 😄
@dakinayantv3245
@dakinayantv3245 2 жыл бұрын
Ralph Bakshi's incomplete version deserves more credit .
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@elrondriel
@elrondriel 2 жыл бұрын
omg seriously?! that was awful
@tominiowa2513
@tominiowa2513 2 жыл бұрын
*Khraniteli* deserves more credit, particularly since it was made on Peter Jackson's carrot budget.
@lipingrahman6648
@lipingrahman6648 2 жыл бұрын
Given that Borman went on to make Zardoz, with Sean Conory in a wedding dress imagine the horror. ZORDOZ the gun is good. Watch the trailer it’s weird as hell.
@MarkArandjus
@MarkArandjus 2 жыл бұрын
If not Jackson, they would've adapted LOTR one way or another, it could've been so much worse.
@RolfHartmann
@RolfHartmann 2 жыл бұрын
Any word on exactly what John Boorman was putting in his pipeweed while coming up with this?
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard there might have been acid involved lol
@RolfHartmann
@RolfHartmann 2 жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast The question is which drugs they were taking while coming up with this stuff, and the answer is yes, yes all the drugs. When it comes to questions of how would the costumes have worked out, please remember that this is the producer who made Zardoz and leave it at that. I think that being another one of his works answers a lot of questions about this script.
@LeHobbitFan
@LeHobbitFan 2 жыл бұрын
Ooooooooooh no... It's the one where Frodo bangs Galadriel, isn't it? :[
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
We’ll see in part 2….
@lordinquisitordunn336
@lordinquisitordunn336 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so excited 😆
@PhilBoswell
@PhilBoswell 2 жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast so which came first, this or _Bored of the Rings_ because I definitely recall a very strange scene in the latter's prologue which sounds like it would fit right into this 🤔
@NathanF11989
@NathanF11989 4 ай бұрын
@@PhilBoswell Bored of the Rings came first in 1969, but only just. This script was written in 1970.
@HeleneFlame11
@HeleneFlame11 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, now I can start enjoying Amazon series, since I see it could have been worse... much worse 😂
@Mythologos
@Mythologos 2 жыл бұрын
I've read this script several times. It's interesting to compare it to the Excalibur script - his LotR's may not have been as bad as the script suggests.
@vkdee44
@vkdee44 2 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness this version was never launched! 😅
@mattabraham6369
@mattabraham6369 2 жыл бұрын
The 'Jodorowsky's Dune' of Tolkien
@malcomalexander9437
@malcomalexander9437 Жыл бұрын
Hey now, Jodorowsky's Dune would have been 12 hours long, and feature a scene where a really stupid number of extras shit on the floor.
@danielramosmamani5544
@danielramosmamani5544 2 жыл бұрын
It's the first time i see this guy laughing so much. It's a great video.
@Enerdhil
@Enerdhil 2 жыл бұрын
And I thought what Amazon was doing was ridiculous fanfiction.
@danguillou713
@danguillou713 2 жыл бұрын
The kind of mushrooms that could get you in legal trouble. You don’t say? Kinda sounds like that kind of mushrooms were involved in the creation of this script. Hilarious.
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 2 жыл бұрын
Boorman admitted to recreational drug use during that period of his life. *LotR,* *Zardoz,* and *Exorcist II* were all impacted by it. It also doesn't help that his co-writer, Rospo Pallenberg, was super-keen to pile as much sexual content as possible. There was nobody to rein either of them in.
@mainstreetlamplighter9630
@mainstreetlamplighter9630 2 жыл бұрын
I've read this script and its absolute bonkers. And awful. As in Amazon-probably-couldn't-make-a-worse-adaptation-if-they-tried awful. Love this video but you also forgot the best part about the Kabuki theater, where Sauron is described as a Mick Jagger type. So 70s! And yes, all of this pales to the insanity to come. Wait til you get to Galadriel. Wait til you get to the Houses of Healing!
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I guess the Jagger thing was worth mentioning but I was so overwhelmed by the bizarreness of the entire scene that it didn’t impact me as much as it otherwise might have. 😂
@TheMan05555
@TheMan05555 Жыл бұрын
Fact: Mick Jagger wanted to be Frodo in the Bakshi film, but he didn’t get cast due to Christopher Guard already having the job.
@Running-withscissors
@Running-withscissors 2 жыл бұрын
Just a quick note at @ 28:00. The Silmarillion wasn't published till 1977 I think, so much of the back story (prior to 3rd age) was pretty obscure at the time of this screenplay?? Ill shut up and watch the rest now haha
@phoule76
@phoule76 2 жыл бұрын
Gandalf was a famously good dancer in Valinor.
@thimbur3543
@thimbur3543 2 жыл бұрын
Winner of "Strictly Come Prancing", I heard.
@peterskrobola8753
@peterskrobola8753 2 жыл бұрын
In short: We are very fortunate that the Peter Jackson version is so accurate.
@mountainsofelysium7379
@mountainsofelysium7379 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps, just perhaps, the writer should have stayed out of the mushroom field before he started writing
@Vladislak
@Vladislak 2 жыл бұрын
I'm vaguely familiar with the script overall. Part of me is morbidly curious as to how it would have turned out, but the better part of me is just glad Tolkiens material wasn't dragged through the mud.
@YamiSpyroX
@YamiSpyroX 2 жыл бұрын
Spyro Fans: This movie scrip is so terrible! I'm so happy this didn't happen. Spyro would never had survived this! Lord of the Rings fans: OUR STORY....wouldn't had survived if this work of Mordor happened.
@johnalucard7860
@johnalucard7860 2 жыл бұрын
Boormans Excalibur is a great film.you would think he would have been .ore faithful to Tolkien. Glad he didn't follow through on this.
@thedunadan8021
@thedunadan8021 2 жыл бұрын
I'm starting to wonder if a debate is going to break out as to which is worse, this adaptation or the infamous Russian one. 😳😬
@Quirderph
@Quirderph 2 жыл бұрын
The Swedish 1971 version is the worst.
@Endme264
@Endme264 5 ай бұрын
The cartoon version of the 70s was just as ass as this. When did gandalf the grey abandon reason for madness...
@hglundahl
@hglundahl 2 жыл бұрын
31:25 As a sewing fanatic, I'm wearing the trousers of a "leprechaun" that's emblematic to Chouffe (a Belgian beer), would you mind making a shorty on the insanity of the costumes, unless that's too gross?
@joseraulcapablanca8564
@joseraulcapablanca8564 2 жыл бұрын
This does sound insane but it was the seventies. Glad it never got made.
@Celtic1020
@Celtic1020 2 жыл бұрын
Can you link to the script directly? Or is it shared in the discord.
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure you can find it in the discord. If not I might stick it in a Dropbox folder and link to it.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 2 жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast That would be most kind.
@bradjensen4927
@bradjensen4927 2 жыл бұрын
PJ's version looking better and better......
@jonathanowen9917
@jonathanowen9917 2 жыл бұрын
This is really weird. Thankfully this wasn’t made.
@wlg2677
@wlg2677 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I don´t know. I have watch scenes from the Russian "production".
@ardaea2529
@ardaea2529 2 жыл бұрын
Hope this isnt take then wrong way, I do enjoy your content but have you thought about doing thumbnails? Distingushing a difference between your content is nearly impossible as every video looks the same and you have a lot of videos. 😁
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Thought about it, didn’t have time, didn’t do it lol.
@jeffnorris7592
@jeffnorris7592 2 жыл бұрын
Not Jeff here. If you want to get weird, the closed captioning on this video keeps translating to "black writers". I'm having visions of the hobbits being chased by Toni Morrison, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Frederick Douglass and Octavia Butler. Actually, I would like to be captured by that crew.
@Bezzell_Rocket
@Bezzell_Rocket 2 жыл бұрын
I got a feeling that Amazon's about to ask somebody to hold it's beer.
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Just wait, Boorman may get that line by the end. 😂
@virginiahansen320
@virginiahansen320 2 жыл бұрын
The 1970's really were like a long cultural bad dream. Pretty much the only decent thing that came out of it was Star Wars.
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, there was also *The Godfather,* *Saturday Night Fever,* *Rocky,* *Grease,* *Jaws,* *A Clockwork Orange,* *Apocalypse Now,* *Alien,* Richard Donner's *Superman,* *The Exorcist* -- good stuff did exist during that time. It's just that we remember the worst excesses of the period, much as we remember the worst of the 1980s and 1990s as well.
@johnnyskinwalker4095
@johnnyskinwalker4095 8 ай бұрын
It was literally the greatest age for Cinema
@JonPITBZN
@JonPITBZN 2 жыл бұрын
Okay, the Ring being this inconsistent doesn't match canon. However, it's an object with its own will, so in theory it doesn't HAVE to be consistent. Even in canon it has moments of inconsistency, e.g. betraying Smeagol.
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
How is that inconsistent?
@JonPITBZN
@JonPITBZN 2 жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast The ring betrayed Isildur to orcs at the first opportunity. It tried to reveal Frodo to the Nazgul at the first opportunity, in the Shire, before succeeding at Weathertop, shortly thereafter. Yet it waited thousands of years for Smeagol in particular (Deagol couldn't have been the first person in all that time to swim near it in the river). Smeagol lived for hundreds of years in a mountain lousy with orcs, but the ring did not betray Smeagol quickly, like it had Isildur and like it would do to Frodo. It didn't betray Bilbo to the orcs either, and he encountered a fair few of them.
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
The orcs that got Isildur were Sauron’s; the orcs of the Misty Mountains where Gollum was wouldn’t have gotten the Ring to him.
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Plus there’s the issue of providence.
@erickpoorbaugh6728
@erickpoorbaugh6728 2 жыл бұрын
My understanding was that the Ring thought that Gollum’s cave was a good place to remain hidden until Sauron had regained enough of his strength, and it abandoned Gollum once it thought Sauron was strong enough to retrieve it.
@genius2005
@genius2005 2 жыл бұрын
As weird as it sounds, it's undoubtedly sounds better than Jeff Bozo's Rings of Garbage.
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
It won’t by the time we’re done, I guarantee.
@genius2005
@genius2005 2 жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast Wow , that's crazy.
@Relics_of_Arda
@Relics_of_Arda 2 жыл бұрын
This is horrible! 🤢
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 2 жыл бұрын
The Kabuki drama is a brilliant idea.
@istari0
@istari0 2 жыл бұрын
And you are going to make more videos on this script? I think you are a glutton for punishment!
@thebrotherskrynn
@thebrotherskrynn 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Boorman's excalibur movie sucked (not gonna get into how badly he butchered the Arthurian myths), and to think he might have directed LOTR would have been horrible, and this is such a terrible script, just what I'd expect of such a director! Ugh, I didn't like the Jackson movies, but they weren't this horrible.
@radagast7200
@radagast7200 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know... you ever watch the Soviet version? That one is pretty bad.
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
But that one actually got produced ;)
@PhilBoswell
@PhilBoswell 2 жыл бұрын
IIRC that was actually a televised stage play, hence the somewhat odd setup, and possibly transmitted live!
@georg.camerone56
@georg.camerone56 2 жыл бұрын
It all sounds weird - but better than what we have seen of Amazon's "ROP"....
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Just wait, it gets a lot worse.
@lordinquisitordunn336
@lordinquisitordunn336 2 жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast that is the line I gave my friends when we were reading this monstrosity. It took us 15 hours to do a live read.
@georg.camerone56
@georg.camerone56 2 жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast Oh Lord!
@PABrewNews
@PABrewNews 2 жыл бұрын
Still sounds better than what Amazon is doing. Cheers
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
For now maybe, just wait….
@PABrewNews
@PABrewNews 2 жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast hahaha, Can't Wait, this should be good!!!
@tominiowa2513
@tominiowa2513 2 жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast - The Lothlórien arc? Lucky Christopher Tolkien did not have a stroke over that.
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah….
@ramonvives1674
@ramonvives1674 2 жыл бұрын
Walmart' s Ring of Power will make look this like a masterpiece wait and see ...
@celtofcanaanesurix2245
@celtofcanaanesurix2245 2 жыл бұрын
it's amazon's but yeah you are right
@ramonvives1674
@ramonvives1674 2 жыл бұрын
@@celtofcanaanesurix2245 they're both the same.🤮
@AdirondackRuby
@AdirondackRuby 2 жыл бұрын
Still a better story than Rings of Power.
@TolkienLorePodcast
@TolkienLorePodcast 2 жыл бұрын
Not for long….
@AdirondackRuby
@AdirondackRuby 2 жыл бұрын
@@TolkienLorePodcast Well, we'll see what the rest of the script holds...but I'm favoring Boorman over Bezos.
@elrondriel
@elrondriel 2 жыл бұрын
@@AdirondackRuby Frodo bangs Galadriel so I wouldn't speak so soon lol
@AdirondackRuby
@AdirondackRuby 2 жыл бұрын
@@elrondriel LOL What!? Is there anywhere else to read the script?
@elrondriel
@elrondriel 2 жыл бұрын
@@AdirondackRuby lmao that information changed me forever xD I don't know where you can read it but Im sure it'll be covered in the upcoming vids
@robertstrawser1426
@robertstrawser1426 2 жыл бұрын
Still better than Rings of Power.
@itnaklipse1669
@itnaklipse1669 2 жыл бұрын
Why be happy a movie wasn't made? You don't need to watch it if it doesn't interest you - Boorman's take on LOTR would have interested me much more than Jackson's.
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