The Wright Brothers On Huffman Prairie

After their first flights at Kittyhawk, North Carolina, The Wright Brothers returned to Dayton Ohio. During 1904-1905 on Huffman Prairie, they practiced and perfected the concepts involved in powered flight. From 1910-1915 They Conducted A Pilot Training School And Exhibition Company. The Historic Site Of Huffman Prairie Is Located At The End Of The Wright-Patterson AFB Ohio Main Runway.
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[@jindlespog8045]

The Aero Club de France were well informed about the Wrights beginning in 1900 when Wilbur Wright began corresponding with founding member Octave Chanute. Impressed with the Wrights' progress, Chanute traveled to the United States to visit them at Kitty Hawk in 1901, 1902, and at Dayton, Ohio in 1903. After his 1903 visit, Octave Chanute delivered a lecture to the Aero Club de France in which he described the Wrights' experiments with gliders and their plans to fly a powered aircraft. Present at Octave Chanute's 1903 lecture was a French artillery captain named Ferdinand Ferber who likewise traveled to the United States and visited the Wrights at Huffman Prairie in Dayton, Ohio. After meeting the Wrights, Ferdinand Ferber declared himself a "disciple of Wright" and in 1904 built a copy of a Wright-style glider, describing it as a "type du Wright." Relying on information gained during these and other visits to the Wrights, the December 1905 and January 1906 editions of L'Aerophile (the official journal of the Aero Club de France) confirmed the Wrights' successful flight of a powered heavier-than-air airplane.😎😉😉😉😉

[@MarcosPalhares]

why do you hate France? kkkkkk Please don't talk nonsense! FAI says Dumont was the first: www.fai.org/news/12-november-1906-first-flight-santos-dumont Aeroclub the France say the same aeroclub.com/chronologie/ dumont never was motivated for someone who never shows their experiments because he was very democratic for the science, lÁerophile wrote by Ferber that never seem a WB flight before 1908. Too many lies, my friend. Please, stop to read fake news wrote by WB fanatics, not Scientist!

[@jindlespog8045]

@@MarcosPalhares The Aero Club of America, Aero Club de France, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chenault, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

@@MarcosPalhares why are you scared to watch the 1906 film of the 14-bis at bagatelle field? the film shows what really happened. the 14-bis failed to fly, just a short little hop. the film doesn't lie.

[@brazilpatriot6539]

@@MarcosPalhares 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢I beg you my fellow Brazilian to stop these outrageous lies about Santos Dumont. It makes me so sad to see my fellow Brazilians so embarrassed by foreigners that they think they must tell lies about Santos Dumont so they will feel good about Brazil. But will you still feel good when the whole world thinks Brazil is full of nothing but liars? Please stop with these lies before it is too late, my fellow Brazilians.

[@MarcosPalhares]

@@brazilpatriot6539 kkkkkk @jindlespog @ultimatedeplaorable @marcospalhares (fake) @louisdaguerre and now you create one more fake profile @brazilpatriot to talk to me in english???? kkkkkk my country language is portuguese my friend! You are too fake Jindle Spog, like Wright Brothers fake! If you want to lie, don't make it so clear! KKKKKKK

[@pcj3405]

$30,000.00 in 1909 =$978,487.91 today in 2022. Great video. Just watched a colorized video of one of their flights too. Man it just brought the scene to life. Video "Nineteenth century videos back to life". Thank you!

[@davidjones8164]

Overshadowed by the genius and tenacious efforts of the Wright Brothers is is the fact that they were also the first pilots. They had to teach themselves to fly. Such Bravery and Courage they had to exhibit! If they have never been given the Presidential Medal of Freedom!

[@naughteedesign]

that's just not true. I'm sure they were brave etc but they weren't the first pilots or the first in a powered aircraft... Hiram Maxim was years before hand.

[@MarcosPalhares]

Wright Brothers have 5 years to show their Flyer to the people on many Prize Organizations to be the first heavier than air and self controled flight, but they run away from all of them, because their history was fake, sorry, was ''a secret', kkkkkk. Study about: Deutsch prize (1901), Saint Louis Science Exposition (1904), Archdeacon prize (1906), Scientific American Trophy (1908), Deutsch-Archdeacon Prize (1908), Aeroclub de France prize (1906). WB show a flight first time to the public just August 1908, when a lot of people are made amazing flights too. Before that, WB send a lot of text to newspaper telling a lie, no photos are send to the press, no Witnesses (oh yes, a farmer see it). There are no good evidence about 1903 photo first flight, because no one see it in that time. Sorry.

[@stevebett4947]

@@MarcosPalhares I thought the anti-Wright trolls had missed this video. It is true that the Wright's did not comply with the 1905 FAI standards and rules. If this is required then Santos Dumont can claim to be the first to hop 25 m and 100 m. in 1906. Ader claimed to have completed uncontrolled hops at greater distances in the mid-1800's. However, he also failed to comply with the 1905 standards for certified flight records. The Wright flights are not without historical evidence. Aviation historians outside of Brazil generally accept the Wrights' claims. Historical evidence, however, can always be challenged. It is not incontestable. The only thing that can be said to be incontestable is what is contained in the rules for the 1906 competitions. Unfortunately, no one has found this document. We are left with hearsay. The claim that the Wright Brothers were liars is not incontestable. It is a claim with more problems than what the Wrights' claimed. There were 7 witnesses and a dog for the 1903 flights. There were hundreds of witnesses for the 4 public flights of the Wright Flyer prototype II and III. The witnesses may have included members of the American Aero Club, but they were not official witnesses. They were important in getting the membership to certify the Wright's "claimed" flights. After Cpt. Ferber completed his reports for the L'Aerophile in 1905, it was clear that he had changed from being a critic of the Wrights to a supporter. He was not able to immediately convince a majority of the other members of the French Aero Club. This did not happen until the fall of 1908.

[@MarcosPalhares]

@@stevebett4947 Oi Steve! 1093 / 5000 Hi Steve! As you reported: ''There were 7 witnesses and a dog for the 1903 flights. There were hundreds of witnesses for the 4 public flights of the prototype Wright Flyer II and III.'' Who said there were 7 witnesses and a dog? Was the Wrights? Was the Journal that published the text sent by the Wrights? Hundreds of witnesses saw the Flyer's 4 flights and no one took a picture? Nobody filmed? No newspaper at the time was interested in publishing it? Why does the 1906 Wright patent show a glider anyway? If you follow the timeline of the facts, there was no engine powerful enough for the Wrights to do what they claimed to do in 1905. It's all a lying narrative. I'm not a troll, I'm a researcher of history. The Wrights performed wonderful aerial maneuvers from 1908 onwards. Before that, zero evidence, zero facts, lots of newspaper articles for their self-advertisement. Ferber was just another victim and made the same mistake of publishing a letter sent by the Wrights with his self-advertisement. Like everyone else, he didn't see a flight until 1908.

[@michaelszczys8316]

My favorite Wright story is of the time when Glenn Curtis ( who had copied all their stuff and was trying to say that the Wrights copied HIM ) was supposed to give a flying demonstration in New York along with the Wrights. The day of the demonstration the weather was really blustery, windy, and just bad. Glenn Curtis said he couldn't fly in that weather and he would have to wait till the next day. Wilbur Wright said that was interesting and had them get his flyer ready. You see, Curtis could not fly in that weather but Wilbur Wright COULD and proceeded to demonstrate who the real true master of the air was. Lots of photos were taken that day of Wilbur tooling around Manhatten , the first person to do such

[@jindlespog8045]

When Santos Dumont attempted to fly the 14-bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) the 1903 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) in 59 seconds, 2) the 1904 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet during the same flight. Aviation pioneer Octave Chanute Observed many of the Flyer's 2 flights, and 3) the 1905 Flyer, which Took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including circular several maneuvers. The Flyer was Also the world's first aircraft capable of carrying a passenger.😎😎😎😎😎

[@jindlespog8045]

@@MarcosPalhares That's not a primary source. If you're going to argue history you need to educate yourself regarding primary sources. Here's an example of a primary source; this is one of several inadequate and grossly inefficient propellers used on the 14-bis at Bagatelle Field in 1906: i.imgur.com/a2dDCpC.jpg

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

@@MarcosPalhares go watch the 1906 film and see for yourself. just a short little hop. film doesn't lie.

[@fredlarsen8292]

@@MarcosPalhares This replica is far more accurate that Alan Calassa's modified 14-bis. Inaccurate replicas like Calassa's 14-bis prove nothing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i17CdYSgbs6Em7M

[@brazilpatriot6539]

@@MarcosPalhares 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢I beg you my fellow Brazilian to stop these outrageous lies about Santos Dumont. It makes me so sad to see my fellow Brazilians so embarrassed by foreigners that they think they must tell lies about Santos Dumont so they will feel good about Brazil. But will you still feel good when the whole world thinks Brazil is full of nothing but liars? Please stop with these lies before it is too late, my fellow Brazilians.

[@MarcosPalhares]

@@brazilpatriot6539 kkkkkk @jindlespog @ultimatedeplaorable @marcospalhares (fake) @louisdaguerre and now you create one more fake profile @brazilpatriot to talk to me in english???? kkkkkk my country language is portuguese my friend! You are too fake Jindle Spog, like Wright Brothers fake! If you want to lie, don't make it so clear! KKKKKKK

[@hondajesus5989]

Dayton, OH native, aviation enthusiast. I can show you Orv and Wil's gravesite. Beautiful.

[@gilberto2056]

you will show the grave of two great shammers Wright's brothers the real First fly. 1908. Pictures from May 1908, The Wrights brothers' plane caught flying low in front of a tall sand dune The images can be found here, (L'Aerophile, 1 July 1908 gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6550620m/f260.image.r=wright.langEN ). They still glided down the slope. How can I believe that the two brothers were able to fly about 40 minutes in 1905 in Dayton, Ohio over a flat pasture if they still needed a hill and strong winds to fly in May 1908. In a letter published in L'Aerophile, in which the two brothers gave technical details about all their claimed flights in May 1908, they also specified the wind speed as being between 4 and 9 m/s. (see L'Aerophile 15 June 1908, gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6550620m/f232.image.r=wright%20mai.langEN ).

[@orvilleredenbacher7078]

@@gilberto2056 go back to brazil and crawl under your rock, troll

[@sonhomeu1541]

@@orvilleredenbacher7078 see the 1908 commentary. A French expert said that the flyer presented by the brothers would NEVER FLY 35 KM IN 1905.

[@Janggo1911]

I have always been an aviation enthusiast all my life, built gliders as a kid & always wanted to fly. Now at 46 tears of age, and a family to support, my time to fly is very slim. I do find comfort that maybe someday, my kids will pick up where I left. Nothing but respect to the pioneers of aviation. Am I the only one teary eyed watching this video?

[@jindlespog8045]

Here's a small sampling of reportage devoted to the Wrights' flights during 1903-1905: *"Airship Flight is a Success," The San Francisco Call, December 18, 1903, Page 1, Image 1, col. 7. *"A Machine that Flies," The Times Dispatch (Richmond, VA)0, December 19, 1903, Page 5, Image 5, col. 1. *"High Gale No Bar to Flying Machine," The Washington Times (Washington, DC), December 19, 1903, Page 10, Image 10, col. 1" *"Airship was a Great Success: The Wright brothers Give Out a Statement Regarding Their Recent Experiments," The Minneapolis Journal (Minneapolis, MN), January 5, 1904, Page 1, Image 1, col. 1. *"Ohio Inventors Claim Success in Flight," The Washington Times (Washington, DC), January 7, 1904, Page 3, Image 3, col. 4. "*A Machine that Flies: The Wright Brothers Declare that They Have Solved the Problem of Navigating the Air," The Watchman and Southern (Sumter, SC), January 13, 1904, Page 7, Image 7, col. 3. *"Flying machine that Flies," The San Francisco Call, (San Francisco, CA), October 9 1904, Page 13, Image 13, col 5-7. I could continue for another one hundred pages, but I've made my point.✌✌✌✌✌

[@MarcosPalhares]

truthinaviationhistory.blogspot.com/2014/01/didnt-wright-brothers-always-tell-truth.html

[@jindlespog8045]

@@MarcosPalhares Joe Bullmer is a frequent contributor to that blog. You need to read his book: The Wright Story. www.amazon.com/Wright-Story-Joe-Bullmer/dp/1439236208/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=the+wright+story&qid=1598302014&s=books&sr=1-2

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

@@MarcosPalhares why are you afraid to watch the 1906 film? the film doesn't lie. nothing but a short little hop. watch it and see for yourself.

[@brazilpatriot6539]

@@MarcosPalhares 😢😢😢😢😢😢I beg you my fellow Brazilian to stop these outrageous lies about Santos Dumont. It makes me so sad to see my fellow Brazilians so embarrassed by foreigners that they think they must tell lies about Santos Dumont so they will feel good about Brazil. But will you still feel good when the whole world thinks Brazil is full of nothing but liars? Please stop with these lies before it is too late, my fellow Brazilians.😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@MarcosPalhares]

@@brazilpatriot6539 kkkkkk @jindlespog @ultimatedeplaorable @marcospalhares (fake) @louisdaguerre and now you create one more fake profile @brazilpatriot to talk to me in english???? kkkkkk my country language is portuguese my friend! You are too fake Jindle Spog, like Wright Brothers fake! If you want to lie, don't make it so clear! KKKKKKK

[@jindlespog8045]

The Aero Club of America, Aero Club de France, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chenault, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. 😎😎😎😎

[@jindlespog8045]

@@MarcosPalhares 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣The Aero Club of America, Aero Club de France, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chenault, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

@@MarcosPalhares watch the 1906 film. it shows nothing but a short little hop. film doesn't lie.

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

@@MarcosPalhares santos dumont didn't fly until 1909 when he built the descmoiselle 20, but he had to steal tech from the Wright Brothers to make it work. santos dumont copied a Wright Brothers propeller and Wright Brothers wing warping. only then did the desmoiselle fly. the 1906 film of the 14-bis in Paris proves it never flew, just a short little hop. watch it and see for yourself. there are many copies of this film on youtube. film doesn't lie.

[@brazilpatriot6539]

@@MarcosPalhares I beg you my fellow Brazilian to stop these outrageous lies about Santos Dumont. It makes me so sad to see my fellow Brazilians so embarrassed by foreigners that they think they must tell lies about Santos Dumont so they will feel good about Brazil. But will you still feel good when the whole world thinks Brazil is full of nothing but liars? Please stop with these lies before it is too late, my fellow Brazilians.😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@MarcosPalhares]

@@brazilpatriot6539 @jindlespog @ultimatedeplaorable @marcospalhares (fake) @louisdaguerre and now you create two more fake profiles @brazilpatriot and @brazilianpilot to talk to me in english???? kkkkkk my country language is portuguese my friend! You are too fake Jindle Spog, like Wright Brothers fake! If you want to lie, don't make it so clear! KKKKKKK

[@jimdougherty2758]

I visited Huffman Prairie last year. It's on Wright-Patterson AFB! I had never put that together. Not shown in this well done documentary, there is now a recreation of the hanger and of the launching derrick. In the Wright brother's days there was a clump of thorn trees in the center of the pasture which motivated them to learn to steer the aircraft. The thorn trees remain!

[@rexluminus9867]

That's so cool.Thanks.

[@stevebett4947]

@JD: , , , thorn trees motivated them to learn to steer SB: It motivated them to quickly change directions and steer away from the thorn trees. It did not motivate them to "learn to steer" the Wright Flyer. This skill had been learned several years before 1903. They learned to steer their gliders in 1898. They thought a practical flying machine should require constant input from the pilot. Their prototypes were not stable on their own any more than a bicycle negotiating a turn at high speed.

[@michaelszczys8316]

This was good, it had people who were around to witness it. We need to pay more attention to older people that are left that can tell you all the finer details of yesteryear. There is only just so much you can get from a book. The Wright brothers were number 1 not because they made a machine go under its own power on flat ground into the air but because the invented modern aviation. They had it all way, way ahead of everybody.

[@fokkerd3red618]

It's amazing they went from controlled flight in 1903 to planes shooting each other out of sky in 1914 at the beginning of WW1. This video in itself is old now, because there niece was 15 in 1911. I'm guessing this video is 1980 or so. Love the video.

[@danhouy4626]

A wonderfully part of our history.

[@nickgeorge2176]

Increadable invention , great foresight, intelligence , not only to invent the air plane but to work out how to fly it.

[@jindlespog8045]

When Santos Dumont flew the 14 bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) the 1903 Flyer, which took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) while remaining in the air 59 seconds; 2) the 1904 Flyer which also took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet; and 3) the 1905 Flyer which also took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including several circular maneuvers. On the other hand, Santos Dumont's 14-bis was uncontrollable and was only capable of flying short distances in a straight line.😉😉😉😉😉

[@MarcosPalhares]

Okay, applause for the Wrights who said they made all these flights and didn't show to anyone in that time ... and many people like you believe in Santa Claus! You can repeat anything that exists, but not even the United States Newspapers published a single Wright flight photo before 1908, two years after Dumont's flight. Find a single newspaper from your country proving that the Flyer really flight and not texts sent by Fake Brother telegram and then I will believe you.

[@jindlespog8045]

@@MarcosPalhares 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😢😘😎😎😎the Aero Club of America, Aero Club de France, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chenault, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

@@MarcosPalhares watch the 1906 film. it shows nothing but a short little hop. every time you argue against the film you lose because the film doesn't lie.

[@brazilpatriot6539]

@@MarcosPalhares 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢I beg you my fellow Brazilian to stop these outrageous lies about Santos Dumont. It makes me so sad to see my fellow Brazilians so embarrassed by foreigners that they think they must tell lies about Santos Dumont so they will feel good about Brazil. But will you still feel good when the whole world thinks Brazil is full of nothing but liars? Please stop with these lies before it is too late, my fellow Brazilians.

[@MarcosPalhares]

@@brazilpatriot6539 kkkkkk @jindlespog @ultimatedeplaorable @marcospalhares (fake) @louisdaguerre and now you create one more fake profile @brazilpatriot to talk to me in english???? kkkkkk my country language is portuguese my friend! You are too fake Jindle Spog, like Wright Brothers fake! If you want to lie, don't make it so clear! KKKKKKK

[@mrFalconlem]

Wow great! you have done a real service to history publishing this for anyone interested in aviation.

[@dputub]

Wow! I can't believe I just came straight to this on the internet. I was telling my co-workers about it after I just interviewed a fellow who is going to be doing a book talk about the David Mcullough book on the Wrights. I was the editor of this film when I worked for TGS Technology at Norton Air Force Base. It won an honorable mention at the Association of Visual Communicators Awards, Los Angeles, 1989.

[@airboyd]

+Dan Philgreen Very cool!

[@ruiquesito5545]

Dan Philgreen - dan, no exist official record about flights in Huffman prayrie, between 1903 1905, the brothers never submitt the machine for great public, experts, government. Don't exist proofs about brothers's flights.

[@HowesAero]

Apart from photographs, eye-witness reports, press accounts, accounts from people on the trolleybus route next to the prairie etc etc. Your fantasy will not change history. Even the Santos Dumont 14bis was designed and built by Gabriel Voisin and Dumont after extensive accounts of the Wright glider experiments published in L'Aerophile in 1903. What you are doing is degrading and insulting great pioneers like both Dumont and the Wrights. Your sort of re-writing of history would have been beneath these great people. They were all better than that. Also, remember Louis Bleriot's comment when they did get to France in 1908. They were so far ahead of everyone else that Bleriot declared "We are nothing". Do you really think they turned up in 1908, did long flights with manoevres that no one else thought were possible, flew for over an hour on occasion but had not flown until then? The European pioneers were gracious enough to admit that they were genuinely brilliant, why cannot modern Brazilians do the same? Stop insulting the memory of all these great men, European, Brazilian and American alike.

[@ruiquesito5545]

Official record for wright brothers in fai. May. 06 1908 no exist photos, run, takeoff, land under its own power and landing between 1903 1905 in front experts or great public or press. I suggest for you read one link in google please. wright-brothers.wikidot.com. Is very good.

[@ruiquesito5545]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oouwoKmDd96tjdE

[@angiefav1847]

Oh my god this bought a tear to my eye l loved it the history and what these people went through to take to the air thanks well done

[@devilsoffspring5519]

The Wright Brothers were badasses! :)

[@gilberto2056]

Did you know that they were two great liars?

[@jindlespog8045]

@@gilberto2056 😎😎😎😎The Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

@@gilberto2056 santos dumont didn't fly until 1909 when he built the descmoiselle 20, but he had to steal tech from the Wright Brothers to make it work. santos dumont copied a Wright Brothers propeller and Wright Brothers wing warping. only then did the desmoiselle fly. the 1906 film of the 14-bis in Paris proves it never flew, just a short little hop. watch it and see for yourself. there are many copies of this film on youtube. film doesn't lie.

[@SteveandLizDonaldson]

This is a very nice historical video, but it once again emphasizes the start of the Wright's success as the 1903 Kitty Hawk Flyer. I put the real breakthrough the year before, with their 1902 glider. It was the first with full three axis control: - Yaw control about the vertical axis using rudders - Pitch control about the horizonal axis using elevators - Roll control about the longitudinal axis using wing warping It was the Wrights that discovered that birds turn by rolling their bodies, not yawing around, like a boat or airship. They invented wing warping as a means to do this. Their 1902 glider started the Outer Banks (NC) season with a fixed rudder. The wing warping did indeed turn the glider, but produced what we now know as "adverse yaw" that, due to the increase in lift of one of the wings (say the right wing to turn left), also increases drag, which yaws the glider in the wrong direction, leading to crash after crash. They "unfixed" the rudder, and gave it separate control, allowing the rudder to overcome the adverse yaw. The problem was fixed! Full three axis control! Without it, there is no aviation. The 1903 flyer added an engine (of their own design, but not revolutionary), and propellers. Their propellers were probably one of their truest, most under appreciated aspect of their genius. They were fully airfoil cross-sections with correct hub to tip twist. For contrast, you can see a Langley (Wright contemporary also trying to invent a flying machine) propeller at the National Museum of the US Air Force. It was basically a two-bladed paddle.

[@michaelszczys8316]

I remember in around 2000 the Smithsonian was having people analyzing the Wright flyer to create an exact as possible duplicate to commemorate the 100 year anniversary and they still have one of the two original hand- carved propellers which they computer analyzed and found to be almost absolutely perfect. The boys had it together.

[@ywjpheejmuas10]

they would be so proud if they have a chance to see modern aviation.

[@ruiquesito5545]

community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20031008&slug=wright08

[@badcornflakes6374]

@@ruiquesito5545 "it was largely weather dependent"

[@cartmanrlsusall]

I remember reading and seeing a picture of I think Orville at the control's of a dc3

[@gilberto2056]

I don't understand how you consider these two imbeciles, inventors of the plane when perfect replicas of the originals don't fly.

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

@@gilberto2056 santos dumont didn't fly until 1909 when he built the desmoiselle 20 with the tech he stole from the Wright Brothers. the original 1906 film of the 14-bis in Paris proves it never flew, just a short little hop. that's why santos dumont abandoned the 14-bis and made a totally different airplane, the desmoiselle. ask yourself why santos dumont couldn't fly until after he saw the Wright Brothers in Paris? watch the original film of the 14-bis and see for yourself. no flight, just a short little hop. film doesn't lie. watch it and see for yourself. there are many copies of this film on youtube.

[@pulsebright]

What a wonderful story!! Thank you.

[@northwindl]

goosebumps.

[@remywolfgang792]

I know bro.

[@davidholman6276]

I wish I could go back in time and bring the Piper Cherokee I just flew man would they be surprised

[@gilberto2056]

the replicas have already proven that the wright's machine didn't fly, don't dream.

[@davidholman6276]

@@gilberto2056 I don't know where you got your information but that's absolute bullshit

[@orvilleredenbacher7078]

@@gilberto2056 go back to brazil and crawl under your rock, troll

[@fredlarsen8292]

@@gilberto2056 Accurate replicas fly very well, unlike Alan Calassa's inauthentic 14-bis which was made for entertainment purposes only: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i17CdYSgbs6Em7M

[@mikeorclem]

just a great story...thanks

[@gilberto2056]

Great lie. Look the replicas, Guy, the replicas proves It, WRIGHT BROTHERS DIDN'T FLY.

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

@@gilberto2056 santos dumont didn't fly until 1909 when he built the desmoiselle 20 with the tech he stole from the Wright Brothers. the original 1906 film of the 14-bis in Paris proves it never flew, just a short little hop. that's why santos dumont abandoned the 14-bis and made a totally different airplane, the desmoiselle. ask yourself why santos dumont couldn't fly until after he saw the Wright Brothers in Paris? watch the original film of the 14-bis and see for yourself. no flight, just a short little hop. film doesn't lie. watch it and see for yourself. there are many copies of this film on youtube.

[@rickybailey7123]

That was the best story I've ever hurd !!

[@zeke2566]

Great story,in the early 1980,s I bought a kit ultra lite aircraft,assembled it and flew it -scared the hell out of me the first time-after landing did not fly again for a month,but after thinking about what I did wrong got the courage to try again.......what the weight boys did way back then takes HUGE BALLS!!!#$%%&*((

[@samuabu6673]

Fantastic !

[@dputub]

I believe I still have the stack of prints that came off the original negatives in the Air Force archives that were shot by a camera on an animation stand to do all the Ken Burns-ish moves on the photos.

[@gmelo8218]

Beautiful documentary, thank you.

[@questionablegaileex8233]

Thank you for the angry birds Writhe Brothers

[@Lee-mx5li]

Great video

[@noe616]

A blessing in disguise. That gust of wind probably saved Orville and solidified aviation for the future.

[@davidkharat1]

I am grateful to Writs brothers to creates such great invention so people lime me could fly to this wonderful country.

[@rexluminus9867]

What a great video +. Thank you so much. I felt a bit like a time traveller.

[@EnergeticWaves]

Amazing

[@uuzd4s]

Nice timeless piece. 32 yrs in aviation and I'd never seen this film. It should be mandatory viewing for any American pilot or A/C mechanic wannabe.

[@tomdipasquale9633]

Great video!! I’d love to visit there!!

[@remywolfgang792]

Every day I'm reminded of how TV (Netflix) and cell phones (online platforms) are destroying our imagination and by it our dedication in life and what we could come up with. I see how the Wright Brothers were inspired by sitting around watching birds and insects fly just pondering such amazing possibilities. Daydreaming is what life is made of. We hardly dream anymore 😔 I still do but is hard to focus with so many distractions in our current life. Life was simpler back then.

[@Dana-ki6vs]

The Wright Brothers are best friend of 6 years (J Wright's) great-great uncles--direct on her dads side. She is from Pennsylvania and has 2 family members who work for NASA too. She is insanely smart, and such an amazing friend. She will finish law school next year. Her and I love Don Julio and Sangria LOL it's our thing. I feel like every part of her is steel lmao. I see where she gets her smarts from. She is like a sharp whip.

[@gilberto2056]

what do you want with this conversation? There is no evidence to date that these two insignificants flew. They do not present official evidence between 1903-1905 what you want?

[@orvilleredenbacher7078]

@@gilberto2056 go back to brazil and crawl under your rock, troll

[@louisdaguerre6002]

@@gilberto2056 go home troll

[@Glicksman1]

The $30,000 in 1909 that the U.S. Army purchased the Wright Brothers' airplane for is worth $986,274.73 today. And the cost of flight training of $250 in 1910 is worth $7,872.89 today.

[@WindThrusters]

The Wrights were the first. But the French originated the design concepts that are still used today, for example the tractor monoplane of Bleriot. The Wrights with their biplane canard were on a design one way street. Their patent for wing-warping was soon superseded by aileron control. So although it was a first what they achieved - they just proved it was possible. Once the rest of the world new it was possible they were soon caught up and overtaken.

[@electricwally]

Amazing documentary! Perseverance, that's all I could think of. Anyone know what year this documentary was aired? Must have been aired sometime after 1978 because the narrator/host mentioned that year during the program.

[@cfroemming17]

very good documentary,

[@gilberto2056]

Unfortunately the replicas do not fly and prove that the Wrights were a big lie.

[@fredlarsen8292]

@@gilberto2056 Yes they do. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i17CdYSgbs6Em7M

[@benedictjoy]

thank you documetary very good

[@benedictjoy]

flying story very good

[@ruiquesito5545]

community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20031008&slug=wright08

[@gilberto2056]

did you know that the american army declared in 1905 that they did not negotiate with wright bros. because the brothers present don't the airplane.

[@gilberto2056]

Look the centennial, please, great disaster.

[@gilberto2056]

This is real First brothers's fly. France's experts realize the Record in 1908. Pictures from May 1908, The Wrights brothers' plane caught flying low in front of a tall sand dune The images can be found here, (L'Aerophile, 1 July 1908 gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6550620m/f260.image.r=wright.langEN ). They still glided down the slope. How can I believe that the two brothers were able to fly about 40 minutes in 1905 in Dayton, Ohio over a flat pasture if they still needed a hill and strong winds to fly in May 1908. In a letter published in L'Aerophile, in which the two brothers gave technical details about all their claimed flights in May 1908, they also specified the wind speed as being between 4 and 9 m/s. (see L'Aerophile 15 June 1908, gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6550620m/f232.image.r=wright%20mai.langEN ).

[@stevebett4947]

​@@gilberto2056 The early 1908 flights at Kitty Hawk were alleged to be practice flights before their public demonstrations. They ended their Ohio flight tests at the end of 1905. The L'Aerophile reporter arrived a week late and was not able to view the fights. They did allow the reporter to examine the disassembled Flyer but not photograph it. They also helped the reporter find witnesses and he was able to interview a dozen of them. wrightstories.com/wrights-return-to-kitty-hawk-in-1908/

[@priyanthakumara3282]

Very good and very nice bro

[@cartmanrlsusall]

The obsession with patents is what brought down the Wright brothers, it's only my opinion. If they had left them open to all they would have benefited from other dreamers improving and experimenting

[@FreeTurtleboy]

cartmanrlsusall Santos-Dumont gave all his" idea's" To others..... But he was raised...a rich kid ...... The Wright's were poor folks Without a formal education They did legally make things difficult for many others.... But they dedicated their lives Why not be rewarded if it is legal. ........ A book/ "Orville's Aviators" By john carver Edwards Go to abebooks.com No more than 5-6 bucks...used ....... Best book ever about flying school from 1910-1916 ........ Another/ the first airrace By owen s. Lieberg ........owen was a ww1 pilot Won't be disappointed by these 2 books....

[@stevebett4947]

Santos Dumont was able to read what the Wrights had published and added 3 axis control through wing warping to his 2nd design, the demoiselle. I think their 1906 patent was only valid in the U.S. It did retard development in America until WWI. Glen Curtis was successfully sued. The Wrights seem to have had quite a good formal education but never attended college. They were largely self-educated and read all they could on flight.

[@muhammadshafeeque9264]

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[@brianchandler6127]

This should have a lot more than 15 thousand views, proving people are more interested in cat videos than history, WHAT A DISGRACE!!!

[@rexluminus9867]

That's 👉👍right. So well said. If i could bring those 👬brothers back. Just let them fly on today's planes. RIP.

[@Verdelufe]

@@rexluminus9867 The disgrace was the cheating of the brothers with a picture going down on a 30 ft sand dune and a couple of feet from the sand to say they were the first with a glider. Gustave Whitehead the german had a picture from 1901 too, he really flew. You have to take off like a man from the ground with enough power, Dumont was a lit hop, so what, it was the very first one witnessed by hundreds of people in a competition and his hop complied with the competion rules so he won the prize. The brothers were not smart enough to think of putting 2 wheels under and lift with power instead they always look to the wind direction and force never entered in a competition.

[@apses_yt6386]

Well let me tell you something, I'm a student in 9th grade and I wouldn't be watching this video if it wasn't for a school project so you should thank god this amount of people have watched this video :)

[@riazhassan6570]

@@Verdelufe the argument goes on. The Wrights are usually given the crown of being the first, and not only by jingoistic Americans. One hears that the brothers were descendants of German immigrants, so with pioneers like Whitehead and Lilienthal, perhaps credit should go to Germans? The truth is quite a few people were experimenting at the time. Santos-Dumont’s design was completely different, but it did succeed in making a ‘controlled’ hop. Langley’s was something else, and under different circumstances, might have flopped around in the air for a few yards. Crucial to it was the development of light, powerful engines. And, surely the French contribution should not be overlooked. Nationalistic loyalism is understandable, but credit should go where credit is due-you might even dig into history to find that humans were lifted into the air on big kites in ancient China, that a mediaeval Muslim swooped around on some homemade contraption, that the ancient Egyptians had designs for cranks and pistons

[@mrFalconlem]

I’ve been subscribed for a few years this is the first time youtube has seen fit to present the video to me, so I’m blaming KZbin not cats.

[@jindlespog8045]

😎😎😎Modern replicas replicas of the 14-bis incorporate modern alloys fabricated with modern technology (i.e. arc welding) and are equipped with modern Rotax aero engines & propellers. Any resemblances between them and the original are purely cosmetic. Furthermore, the primitive "air paddle" installed on the original was only 12% efficient. Combined with the high parasitic drag coefficient of the original and its inadequate (not to say non-existent) controls, the original 14-bis only ever achieved short hops in conditions of complete calm. Moreover, the excess dihedral of the 14-bis only served to increase its instability in even the gentlest cross winds.😎😎😎

[@MarcosPalhares]

14bis flew and that is a fact. the balloon-shaped cockpit demonstrates that the 14bis is the true embryo between a balloon that was very common at that time and the first aerial machine heavier than air. So it is not a perfect plane, but it was the first plane in fact, without external help for takeoff, using its own means it flew and was considered by all the news in the world a true machine. The Demoiselle, which was built in 1907 by Dumont and broke several aviation records in 1909, brought improvements and innovations that are still used today. Dumont never patented his inventions, he allowed the free publication of his inventions to help others could manufacture and improve, with the aim of donating them to science and humankind.

[@jindlespog8045]

@@MarcosPalhares The 1906 Pathé News Bagatelle footage proves the 14-bis failed to fly. That is a fact. Getting angry doesn't change the film.

[@jindlespog8045]

@@MarcosPalhares 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣The 1906 Pathé News Bagatelle Field footage proves the 14-bis failed to fly. Replicas of the 14-bis ca't fly without modern engines and modern propellers.

[@jindlespog8045]

@@MarcosPalhares 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣The 1906 Pathé News Bagatelle Field footage proves the 14-bis failed to fly. Replicas of the 14-bis ca't fly without modern engines and modern propellers.

[@MarcosPalhares]

@@jindlespog8045 Wright Brothers have 5 years to show their Flyer to the people on many Prize Organizations to be the first heavier than air and self controled flight, but they run away from all of them, because their history was fake, sorry, was ''a secret', kkkkkk. Study about: Deutsch prize (1901), Saint Louis Science Exposition (1904), Archdeacon prize (1906), Scientific American Trophy (1908), Deutsch-Archdeacon Prize (1908), Aeroclub de France prize (1906). WB show a flight first time to the public just August 1908, when a lot of people are made amazing flights too. Before that, WB send a lot of text to newspaper telling a lie, no photos are send to the press, no Witnesses (oh yes, a farmer see it). There are no good evidence about 1903 photo first flight, because no one see it in that time. Sorry.

[@EnergeticWaves]

Did it have seat belts?

[@thomasmadigan6083]

Read the Wright Brothers by David McCullough. The best book I've ever read about the brothers.

[@rogerc.roberts4705]

Interesting arguments in the comments section. Surprised no one pointed out that it has been proven that someone else DID make a powered flight of a heavier then air aircraft before the Wrights. As I recall, back about 20 years an International aviation association wanted to strip the "First Powered Flight" title from the Wright brothers. The Wright family reacted by refusing the Smithsonian permission to display the Flyer IF The title was withdrawn. The Wright family owns the Flyer and have the right to remove the Flyer from the Smithsonian. Because of this the Wright Brothers were credited as to having made the first CONTROLABLE flight of a heavier then air air craft/vehicle. The family accepted the new title and the Flyer stayed at the Smithsonian.

[@GH-oi2jf]

Roger Roberts - wrong. The 1903 Wright Flyer at Kitty Hawk performed the first powered flight.

[@rogerc.roberts4705]

@@GH-oi2jf You better go back and re-read history, especially the reason the Wright's were credited with the 1st CONTROLED power flight. Several people had achived POWERED flight before the Wrights but were unable to control their aircraft once off the ground. One was the guy who launched his aircraft from a ship anchored on the Potomac River (forgot his name as I have not heard this discussion for awhile). His test ended when his aircraft became fouled with the launching mechanism and plunged into the river. The other guy was in Europe. The Smithsonian Institue recognizes both for achieving powered flight BEFORE the Wright's. Smithsonian's act is what lead to the Wright family to tell the Smithsonian that they would force the removal of the Wright Flyer from the Smithsonian if the brothers were striped of the "First Powered Flight" honor. That's why Smithsonian now indicates the Wright's had the powered CONTROLED, aircraft. There were articles in Smithsonian Magazine a few years ago covering the detail the ordeal. These articled can be cross referenced to that magazine. Also, remember that when the Wrights took their Flyer to France circa 1905 they encountered powered aircraft that had been around for a few years, but not controllable before the Wrights in late 1903. Had the Wright's not made their flight in 1903 someone else would claimed the 1st powered flight within months. Historical FACT backed by the Smithsonian, among others.

[@wsbill14224]

The Red Baron was shot and killed from the ground by a British soldier. He was not shot down by one of Orville's students.

[@vancetrigger]

wow

[@hawkeye681]

What year was this video made!!?!??!?

[@saskiavanhoutert3190]

The brothers Wright did an invent somehow just like Leonardo da Vinci and yes now we fly, kind regards.

[@saskiavanhoutert3190]

I like flying, ballooning and somehow that is now related with computertechnology with the new air-liners or so to say airbuses I also like helicopters or which I call chopers, kind regards

[@saskiavanhoutert3190]

@brasileiros Silva Thanks for your reaction, kind regards

[@jindlespog8045]

@brasileiros Silva 😎😎😎When Santos Dumont flew the 14 bis in 1906, the Wright Brothers had already built and flown three different heavier-than-air flying machines: 1) the 1903 Flyer, which took off under its own power and flew 852 feet (260 m) while remaining in the air 59 seconds; 2) the 1904 Flyer which also took off under its own power and was the first heavier-than-air craft to fly in a complete circle as well as covering a distance of 4,080 feet; and 3) the 1905 Flyer which also took off under its own power and flew a distance of twenty-four miles, including several circular maneuvers. On the other hand, Santos Dumont's 14-bis was uncontrollable and was only capable of flying short distances in a straight line.

[@jindlespog8045]

@brasileiros Silva The 1906 film of the 14-bis at Bagatelle Field shows nothing but a short little hop. Watch it and see for yourself. Film doesn't lie. Santos Dumont didn't fly until 1909 when he stole Wright Brothers tech and made the Desmoiselle 20 which used a Wright Brothers propeller and Wright Brothers wing warping. Watch the 1906 film of the 14-bis and see for yourself, nothing but a short little hop. Film doesn't lie.

[@brazilpatriot6539]

I beg you my fellow Brazilian to stop these outrageous lies about Santos Dumont. It makes me so sad to see my fellow Brazilians so embarrassed by foreigners that they think they must tell lies about Santos Dumont so they will feel good about Brazil. But will you still feel good when the whole world thinks Brazil is full of nothing but liars? Please stop with these lies before it is too late, my fellow Brazilians.😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@daveburch235]

Thanks, AirBoyd, for digging this up. It's obviously pretty old, maybe from the 1970s. It seems more a sanitized homage than an objective documentary, as it was rather short and omitted a lot of unpleasantness, such as the crash that killed an Army observer and gravely injured Orville, and the Wrights' patent battles. Still, it was interesting and informative.

[@radzewicz]

No catapult was used in 1903. Catapult was used when they moved back to Ohio only.

[@gghhhfghgh]

Os Wright também nunca voaram em 1903! Só voaram em 1908!

[@jindlespog8045]

Modern replicas replicas of the 14-bis incorporate modern alloys fabricated with modern technology (i.e. arc welding) and are equipped with modern Rotax aero engines & propellers. Any resemblances between them and the original are purely cosmetic. Furthermore, the primitive "air paddle" installed on the original was only 12% efficient. Combined with the high parasitic drag coefficient of the original and its inadequate (not to say non-existent) controls, the original 14-bis only ever achieved short hops in conditions of complete calm. Moreover, the excess dihedral of the 14-bis only served to increase its instability in even the gentlest cross winds.😂😂😂😂😂

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

santos dumont didn't fly until 1909 when he built the desmoiselle 20 with the tech he stole from the Wright Brothers. the original 1906 film of the 14-bis in Paris proves it never flew, just a short little hop. that's why santos dumont abandoned the 14-bis and made a totally different airplane, the desmoiselle. ask yourself why santos dumont couldn't fly until after he saw the Wright Brothers in Paris? watch the original film of the 14-bis and see for yourself. no flight, just a short little hop. film doesn't lie. watch it and see for yourself. there are many copies of this film on youtube.

[@MarcosPalhares]

Okay, applause for the Wrights who said they made all these flights and didn't show to anyone in that time ... and many people like you believe in Santa Claus! You can repeat anything that exists, but not even the United States Newspapers published a single Wright flight photo before 1908, two years after Dumont's flight. Find a single newspaper from your country proving that the Flyer really flight and not texts sent by Fake Brother telegram and then I will believe you.

[@jindlespog8045]

@@MarcosPalhares 🤣😎😘🎉🤳❤the Aero Club of America, Aero Club de France, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chenault, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

@@MarcosPalhares every time you try to argue against the film you lose. the film doesn't lie. it shows nothing but a short little hop. getting angry and calling people names doesn't change what the film shows, just a short little hop. watch the film and see for yourself, just a short little hop. film doesn't lie.

[@brazilpatriot6539]

@@MarcosPalhares😢😢😢😢😢😢 I beg you my fellow Brazilian to stop these outrageous lies about Santos Dumont. It makes me so sad to see my fellow Brazilians so embarrassed by foreigners that they think they must tell lies about Santos Dumont so they will feel good about Brazil. But will you still feel good when the whole world thinks Brazil is full of nothing but liars? Please stop with these lies before it is too late, my fellow Brazilians.

[@selmanedel7973]

the first photos kitty Hawck planators

[@stevebett4947]

What is a planator in this context? Kill Devils Hill is about 4 mi. from Kitty Hawk.

[@jindlespog8045]

😎😎😎The Aero Club de France, the Aero Club of America, the Federation Aeronautique Internatioinale, Octave Chanute, Ferdinand Ferber, and the French Government all certified the Wrights as having flown in 1903. The December 1905 and January 1906 issues of L'Aerophile documented the Wrights' successful flights at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina and Dayton, Ohio. In point of fact, it was L'Aerophile's reportage of the Wrights that motivated Santos Dumont to cease experimentation with lighter-than-air aircraft and instead concentrate on heavier-than-air aircraft. Why do you accuse the French of lying? Why do you hate France?

[@ultimatedeplorable3957]

santos dumont didn't fly until 1909 when he built the desmoiselle 20 with the tech he stole from the Wright Brothers. the original 1906 film of the 14-bis in Paris proves it never flew, just a short little hop. that's why santos dumont abandoned the 14-bis and made a totally different airplane, the desmoiselle. ask yourself why santos dumont couldn't fly until after he saw the Wright Brothers in Paris? watch the original film of the 14-bis and see for yourself. no flight, just a short little hop. film doesn't lie. watch it and see for yourself. there are many copies of this film on youtube.

[@ZeteticPlato]

👍

[@servicarrider]

Did any of their bicycles survive?

[@ianhollands1641]

Mygandparents were born in the late 1890s . So in their liftimes the first powered flight andgoing to the moon. Add in domestic electricity , radio, tv, computers and mass air travel All ina lifetime.

[@EJ-74]

Alvennet : I was setting on the lower wing with my feet braced against the struts looking down over the wing I was 15 and I haven't been right since 🤔🙄😁 Me : Full of anxiety just thinking about it 😭😭😭

[@gardoarellano9601]

Salute to all aviation pioneers Samuel Langley otto lilienthal Wright bros Glenn curtiss Santos dummont I'm sure they were all be proud when they see the new high tech aviation of today

[@blackbirdpie217]

Glenn Curtiss was a thief and blatantly stole the Wright's patent technology without remorse.

[@pi.actual]

@@blackbirdpie217 I do wish people would stop the vilification of this episode in history. Glenn Curtiss was only one member of the Aerial Experiment Association founded by Alexander Graham Bell who, by the way, was a Canadian. Curtiss was recruited as a member because of the engines he produced. The Wright's patent centered largely on the wing warping aspect so in an attempt to not infringe upon that Bell invented the aileron. But the Wrights sued claiming their patent covered any roll axis control of any sort. Because of the Wright's aggressive patent battles when WWI began there were no American made aircraft in existence, they were all British, French, German and Italian - and they all used ailerons. I admire and honor the Wright brothers for their accomplishments but to believe that if they had been killed in a train wreck on the way to Kitty Hawk there would not be airplanes today is of course patently ridiculous (pun intended) Let's just view them all as the pioneers that they were and refrain from calling anyone a thief.

[@blackbirdpie217]

@@pi.actual Perhaps Mr. Bell or Mr. Curtiss should have filed for patents on the aileron and avoid the lawsuits and every other consequence. It's hard to say what the best pathway would have been. Certainly someone would have engineered around the challenges of lift thrust and control the way the Wrights did, I don't know who was on that that track other than them at the time but It is really surprising to me how someone such as Prof. Langley was unable to get his head around it, or approach it as a set of separate surmountable engineering problems the way the Wrights did. With a mind like his, his first and most obvious failure was merely structural? His craft broke in half. He really had no concept of the kinds of stresses he would encounter. But I agree, someone would have figured it out, that was the perfect time with engines just beginning to reach capability. Thanks for the reply. I'll have to look into the history of Bell, Curtiss and the AEA.

[@pi.actual]

@@blackbirdpie217 Yes it's a very interesting subject which I think over time has been compressed by the historians. For instance, the aileron was actually patented in Britain in 1868. In the early days nobody knew how to fly and the Wrights were very methodical, persistent and scientific in their approach but even they got some things wrong such as putting the elevator up front. There are a number of great books about both the Wrights and Curtiss and most of them have some bias one way or the other but I've come to the conclusion there were no thieves or dishonest, nefarious actors. One way or another the airplane was going to be built. As an aviator myself I have great awe and respect for all of them.

[@blackbirdpie217]

@@pi.actual Yes, the Wright flyer could fly, but just barely. They got just enough right but no more. I think one of the worst ideas was the anhedral wings creating instability, another their hip swing roll control. But I disagree about the stabilizer up front (canard) being a mistake, in reality all you need is a wing that does the lifting and a stabilizer to act as a lever arm that is stabilized by the air. It can be in front or in back. Aerodynamically in front is just fine and has some advantages. In fact there are some unorthodox modern designs that incorporate a canard, like the Rutan Varieze, a very fast plane. One of their second ideas about that was to have some kind of structure up front to help protect the occupants from an impact- not a bad idea either. What doesn't work very well is having one in front and one in back. this is the design of the 1909 Curtiss Pusher (which had his separate ailerons). In fact those who have taken off the rear stabilizer said it flies much better without them, but like anyone with any new technology, it had to be developed.

[@sanpol4399]

For people that are skeptical and demand reality and science, the bottom line is: Santos Santos Dumont's flights were facts. Wright brothers claimed flights before 1908 are based on faith.

[@cardinalRG]

San Pol --You still haven't learned anything about this topic, despite having been exposed to better arguments than your own. You clearly have no taste for genuine research.

[@cubeboyzerosix7196]

Bruh i have to do this as a school assignment and this comment section is filled with big brain people writing more than my 5 page essay

[@rafaelf.espindolams]

🇺🇸🇧🇷

[@sonhomeu1541]

France's air club and FAI never submitted an official record to the wright brothers between 1903-1905. It is very interesting to note that these documents are never presented.

[@LUCAS_LIMA_____007]

Santos Dumont pai da aviacao.

[@mrFalconlem]

Who here agrees the first human landing site on Mars needs to be named Huffman Prairie.?

[@Char-nu9ir]

That popped collar, tho.

[@guilhermealexandre4129]

Cool, but Dumont still colaborated more to the aviation. Capisci?

[@selmanedel7973]

the first photos glider in

[@gghhhfghgh]

Esperando começa o vídeo do verdadeiro inventor do avião Santos Dumont! Porque os Wright só voaram em 1908, depois de Santos Dumont , Farman, Bleriot, Delagrange e Glee Curtis, ou seja depois de todos os pioneiros. Só em 1908 voaram e mostraram uma fotinha sem data dizendo que voaram antes! Kkkkkkkkkkk

[@truthfulfreedomfighter9123]

This is how it all happened, honest- the government

[@belugaw1049]

But india make first planes

[@andyb.1026]

Terrific video - Terrible music

[@blackbirdpie217]

The Wrights were first in the air but lost their lead quickly. What this film fails to mention is how the USA never produced planes for combat in WW1 because of the time, money and distractions given the best airplane builders in the world- The Wrights- from the numerous patent infringements on the Wright Brothers largely by their nemesis Glenn Curtiss. The Wrights had constructed a license purchasing program that some purchased but Curtiss ignored it and didn't pay the Wrights for use. They were embroiled in numerous lawsuits so what they had accomplished in aircraft development was not followed up by rigorous improvements. Their energy went into litigation. Every airplane manufactured up to 1914 without a license, long after Wilbur was dead was built with stolen patented Wright technology. In fact even after the court decision against Curtiss was made, he failed to acknowledge it, didn't pay and didn't stop using the patents. Curtiss did develop the most popular plane of the day, the JN-4 or Curtiss Jenny, (unsuitable for combat) which was built with stolen patents. This dishonorable man's actions are why so many have no faith in patents, enforcement lacks effective teeth. It took the Wrights out of the aircraft business as another lawsuit by Orville was needed to straighten things out but not until the 1920s. he finally received $2million in 1929 which was a small amount the patents earned everyone else. The judge basically noted there was no way to wrestle the cat back into the bag and the settlement would have to stick. It must have been disheartening for Orville when Curtiss aircraft and the Wright company merged to be known as Curtiss-Wright. The many Wright whirlwind and other radial aircraft engines were the last remaining product of the Wright company. After all this was done the US aircraft industry really opened up because there was now no licensing nor threat of lawsuit any more.

[@jimmytiler5522]

The whole while these brothers were trying to get off the groun a French an already was flying around. Because no camera caught this on film the Wrights took all the glory. Typica history always getting it wrong.

[@stevebett4947]

Before 1903, no one was flying around if this means flying in circles. No aviator had demonstrated an ability to control their craft. There were about ten pioneers who claimed to have successfully jumped short distances. It is hard to understand why so few of the pioneers had access to cameras or reliable witnesses. The Wrights received no glory until they demonstrated their ability to fly in circles and figure 8's in France in 1908.

[@jimmytiler5522]

@@stevebett4947 like I said this frenchmans plne is in a museum. They made an exact copy it all but did loops 9 months before the Wrights but no film. If I'm not mistaken they are close to changing the history books as we know never get it right.

[@jimmytiler5522]

@@stevebett4947 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6a7lISgn7N1kMU

[@stevebett4947]

@@jimmytiler5522 Please provide a URL link and a name. " frenchmans plne" is not enought.

[@stevebett4947]

The link you provided was about Gustave Whitehead from Connecticut. The French aviation pioneer is probably Ader. Both have flying RC models. Neither has 3 axis control. Neither can fly in circles. I think there are video clips of both replicas in this long video, kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5zTgnR9hs6parM.

[@marciojoserodrigues458]

Santos Dumont The father of aviation.

[@machia0705]

Marcio Jose Rodrigues Do your research. He did not fly in a controlled aircraft until 1906. Wrights first flew in 1903.

[@marciojoserodrigues458]

@@machia0705 Wright brothers just glided downhill. They never got to take off.

[@machia0705]

Marcio Jose Rodrigues No, actually the first flight involved no incline. The surface was absolutely flat. Dumont was a brilliant designer and three years later designed an airplane that is reminiscent of the familiar shape that we see today. But to say he was the first to control and power an aircraft is an absolute falsehood. By 1905, a year before Dumont took to the air, the Wrights were staying aloft for hours making turns and banks, ascents and descents all under complete control by the pilot. There first flight in 1903 proved that it could be done, and they went on to perfect it.

[@stevebett4947]

@@machia0705 The flights of the replica 14BIS shows quite a bit of 3 axis control. Santos Dumont had ailerons and a movable box kite canard. Lateral stability was achieved mainly by wing dihedral. The wings on the Wright Flyer drooped.

[@gilberto2056]

@@machia0705 Where's the official evidence with photos, please. Remember they had three years before to do everything.

[@YYusuf2024]

Fake story, it is always the military development project.

[@ruiquesito5545]

Look centennial please, one great disaster

[@stevebett4947]

The flying conditions on Dec. 17, 2003 were horrible compared to Dec. 17, 1903. The Wright Flyer requires a good headwind and near perfect conditions to fly. The failure was hardly a disaster. There were two earlier test flights of the 1903 exact replica in November that were successful if you consider being able to fly 150 ft. a success. These KZbin videos are available on line.

[@gilberto2056]

@@stevebett4947 there was no success in the tests in 2003 november, the machine did not show flying conditions, did not show controllability and depended on contrary wind to fly very little. this is a glider.

[@stevebett4947]

@@gilberto2056 The exact copy of Wilbur's rebuild of the 1903 Wright Flyer did fly 150 ft. in the tests done weeks before the Centennial. The headwind was 15 mph. The Wright Flyer would not lift off when the head wind was below 15 mph. The record flight was done with a 27 mph headwind. I can't imagine any pilot without a death wish wanting to do this. The craft was unstable and next to impossible to fly without hours of practice. How would the craft show that it could be controlled? It required lots of pilot input just to keep from crashing.

[@fredlarsen8292]

Nope: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i17CdYSgbs6Em7M

[@ruiquesito5545]

Flights only 1908!!!!!!! My god Dumont in flight 1906.

[@HowesAero]

OK, I get it, you have a brain injury. Sorry to hear that.

[@ruiquesito5545]

Look official fai record, please.

[@ruiquesito5545]

Wright-brothers.wikidot.com. - sorry, guy, this injuried your american brain

[@leifvejby8023]

In a sort of screwy way you are right, as Dumont's 1906 flight was the first observed by the FAI, but since FAI wasn't formed till autumn 1906, FAI couldn't in any way observe Wright's flights in 1903, 1904, 1905 and 1906!

[@bobwhite5440]

more sour grapes. dumont and his large-scale engine-powered box kite, which lacked 3-axis flight controls and could not turn, was much too late on the timeline. dumont did many other positive things in his life and deserves due credit.