The Zelda series SUCKS in Smash Bros, so I fixed it

[@PJiggles]

Hey everyone, thanks for watching! Just wanted to say real quick that with this video coming out not too long after The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom's release, and this video not talking about that game, I'd really appreciate it if you could refrain from discussing ToTK spoilers in the comments. Thanks! If you do want to comment something that involves ToTK spoilers, please also include a little spoiler warning before-hand. People are still playing through the game, so please be respectful to those people as to not ruin their enjoyment!

[@domingolaraespinoza6106]

ok but why the box said your balls will thank you tho 💀

[@Ist_a_me_mario1078]

@@domingolaraespinoza6106 what💀

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

The Zelda series SUCKS in Smash Bros, so I fixed it

[@CircleAnimations]

PJIGGLES UPLOADED AAAAAAAAAAA

[@tibby4503]

PJiggles :D

[@GoonCommander]

Honestly if Young Link's Final smash was functionally the same as it is now except instead of dashing forward he shoots beams from the Fierce Deity Sword after trapping the opponent he'd fly so high up on my list of coolest characters.

[@scarlightemperor3410]

Also in Hyrule Warriors, his Finisher is Fierce Deity cutting the moon!

[@Nyxatos]

YES THAT IS WHAT I WAS THINKING OF!

[@nacitalatincirli793]

Why not have a transformation final smash instead? Fierce deity link is like… THE op transformation that would be perfect for a final smash

[@SKsuprakirby]

​@@nacitalatincirli793 too bad they moved away from those.

[@pigeonleader]

I imagine it would have a similar starting animation but young link would put on the mask then after transforming he'd do multiple sword slashes like Ike or Meta Knights final smash

[@threadedRenderer]

Toon Link's Final Smash could be a reference to the Four Swords games. He could split into four, launch forward and whoever gets hit gets pulled in and receives a barrage of swords swings from the four Links.

[@Theonlypik]

I was thinking the exact same thing, another cool idea is to give him the four sword instead of the master sword, so that all the links have completely different weapons.

[@rexwrecks5227]

Pretty sure that’s his final smash in Smash Bros. Crusade

[@appleandbees7652]

Make it a cutscene final smash have the hit box be a train then all players caught on the train get wailed on by all 4 links

[@stevaloo5544]

He summons the spirit train and runs everyone over

[@thenitpickchannel9993]

What if he also launches in four directions (up down left right) when he does this?

[@stardust7780]

I’ve always thought Toon Link should have a special parry mechanic, because of how big a deal it is in WW (especially with the final boss).

[@Jcassss]

honestly yeah i could see it working like witch time but instead of slowing time he rolls or leaps into a counter attack

[@CallMiiEshmael]

That would make for a neat Down Special. Counter with a fast roll behind the opponent and strike! Or if the foe is backed up to a ledge or wall, Helm Strike! Channel your inner Twilight Link!

[@TheQueensAce719]

Toon Link should have also had a unique spin attack, since it was such a big deal in the WW series. I can just imagine TL players spinning like tops in quick play.

[@saber2802]

@@CallMiiEshmael could also include the musical tone thing it does.

[@kid14346]

Ganondorf could always borrow from the Hyrule Warriors one. Big trident, magical energy, summoning shadow versions of his beast mode, etc. Seems like a great fit to me.

[@Draezeth]

His outfit would be amazing too... I mean, now that TotK dropped, that's never going to happen, but I can dream.

[@RushWheeler]

Just make Ganon's neutal special the charged special move from the OG game, and make it based on a meter like the game

[@Doctor_Bamias]

Thinking about it,now with tears of the kingdom out,there is a lot of potential for Ganondorf's moveset for the next smash game

[@Ponch126]

My guy that’s what I’ve been saying. The Zelda series has made two different fighting games where each character has a unique only to that character (and their weapon of choice) moveset that features I think everyone but Young Link (which is a given)

[@roaringthunder115]

Yeah

[@kyusimp6171]

Imagine if they took the Hyrule Warriors approach with Toon Link and made him summon trains

[@thenightspider]

You can make that his Final Smash. He summons a trains and anybody that it hits are forced inside it and get KO'd when the train goes offstage.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@thenightspider Shiek's final Smash is based on Hyrule Warriors, so there's that.

[@Genasidal]

Should be the spirit train, linebeck and the king of red lions all come flying in and team up to beat the shit out of toon link's opponent

[@GrummMSM]

Thanks

[@Hexxd123]

​@@thenightspiderr

[@CaptainAstronaut]

Before Ultimate came out, I thought they would keep Green Tunic Link the same as SSB4, and introduce a whole Blue Tunic Link with a fully BOTW moveset as a completely separate new character Call him Champion Link or something. But then again, that would've been 4 total Links...

[@christiannorton9400]

Which would've been the single funniest way to reference the Four Swords games

[@Dewdrop0-6]

​@@christiannorton9400 That's actually an amazing idea!

[@Nicknock-rw4go]

Or give botw Link a new moveset and take the old one and make it the Hero's Shade.

[@Thewrongway198]

FR I love ssb4 links especially tp link

[@davidbliss5220]

Not only has the 3 Link Problem bothered me for years, but as a Ganondorf main I love the idea of reworking his moves into Black Shadow and giving Ganon moves that better reflect his origins.

[@tomdekler9280]

See that's the issue. Literally the only people rooting for Dark Black whatever are people that don't give two shits about F-Zero. This is an all-star fighting game. No one actually wants Black Shadow. Slightly rework Ganondorf but keep the feel the same, and instead put all that good canon nooch on the original blue pig Ganon as a newcomer.

[@quangamershyguyyz7166]

@@tomdekler9280That sounds like a dumb idea. Just put Black Shadow in as Falcon clone and people will play as him anyway. Regardless of if they care about him or not.

[@tomdekler9280]

@@quangamershyguyyz7166 What's dumb is putting development time into a character no one is hype for and brings no unique element, in a game where the main draw is that it's a crossover of gaming history. Ganon in his iconic blue boar form with the trident appears in 7 games, including the first three Zelda games ever. Where this Ganon is always shown doing variants of the A Link to the Past moveset, like throwing his trident, teleporting, shooting fire bats and causing earthquakes, Ganondorf has been a generic swordsman in three of the four games we've seen him in. That just leaves people wanting his Ocarina of Time moves, and those have all been done already by, you guessed it, Ganon. Energy balls you have to hit back? Ganon. Earth-shaking floor punches? Ganon. Floating? Ganon. In a game where we have three links and two zelda's, why can Ganon not have his far more iconic look that easily has more right to be a newcomer than _any other Zelda character_ ?

[@orangeslash1667]

@@quangamershyguyyz7166 Villains are some of the hardest characters to balance in a fighting game, Sakurai had to reduce Ganon because of that. Ganon has the Triforce of Power, so for Smash he has a powerful moveset. However in the context of the fighting game how due you balance absolute power without being overpowered????? It's the similar reason why Ridley in smash is a bit smaller than his usually boss fights. Sometimes Sakurai will overly simplify a character for the sake of balance. Yes it is true that Sephiroth is faithful, but that's only because he's light weight in Smash. Ganon is way too bulky!!!!

[@kahp1072]

The 3 Links doesn't bother me at all, what bothers me is how they all clones of each other and none have moves that represents their respective games, besides some visual tweaks. Looking at Hyrule Warriors, you see how much waste potential the Zelda characters are in Smash. He mentions Pokémon have bad representation but I think Zelda is even worse because at least Pokémon got new fighters each game.

[@doggo4078]

For such a unique series with so many years to draw from Zelda got done dirty. Hopefully in the next game they all get an overhaul. Love the videos.

[@darkron288]

I think it might just be a bias thing from sakurai, as a smaller franchise like fire emblem is ALWAYS getting new reps.... i find it kinda disgusting that is the case

[@phantompop3192]

I never really thought about it until this video, but yeah. The same could be said I think for some of the Mario characters.

[@Yorkshire42069]

I don’t want a next game, I want updates to ultimate

[@CurtTheHero]

It is such a love letter to gaming with 1000+ songs, 100+ stages, and 89 characters. That's what makes it more strange that some series have such strange or weak representation. It's pretty wild

[@furious_pie466]

@@Yorkshire42069 well you’re not getting that since ultimate isn’t getting any new updates and before you bring up a port to the next console there’s too many third-party characters linked to companies that are very strict specifically Square Enix and Disney so whether you like it or not The next smash Bros will be a new game

[@RNS_Aurelius]

Given the effort they went to implament Kazuya in such a faithful way, with his unique inputs and having by far the longest move list in Smash, it's even more disappointing the same effort wasn't given to these characters especially Ganondorf.

[@ChiggaChiggaBruh]

Yeah but Kazuya has DLC privilege

[@HoseB932]

@@ChiggaChiggaBruhthat just comes off as being slightly lazy. I can see why they didn’t want to change it. But dood, He’s been a clone for 20 years already

[@orangeslash1667]

@@HoseB932 Sakurai said that Ganon was never planed to be in Smash Melee. The only reason he was added is because this model matched Caption Falcon. In other worlds with out Falcon, Ganon wouldn't be in Smash in general.

[@HoseB932]

@@orangeslash1667 That was during Melee. And while I DO appreciate he was added in melee (even if as a clone), it’s been 2 decades and the most they’ve done to change him was give him a few changes to some attacks and make him slower. And only in the latest game… let him use a sword. You could pull off NUMEROUS ideas with ganon for attacks. Hell, URIEN from Street Fighter 5 is closer to zelda ganon than smash ganon. For all the hype and praise for the game having “80+” characters with infinite potential… nah, they gave us a chance with melee but never really gave us a proper dark magician user (until Robin, who is actually one of the coolest characters imo)

[@orangeslash1667]

@@HoseB932 Robin is allowed to use spells, because he has a durability mechanic that limits him. I don't think something like that would fit Ganon???

[@ShwaneJohnson]

To set Link apart from his smaller brothers, they could also have him alternate between round and cube bombs, and also have a Monado-style menu for him to switch between fire, ice, shock and bomb arrows, while only having a limited number of those ones

[@dhi_holo]

Or, pulling from Tears, having Link able to attach items to his arrows when he shoots them, like pick up a Freezey and long range freeze the enemy

[@DemiCape]

@@dhi_holo ultimate came out before tears even existed.

[@keeganlafferty1395]

yeah, as he charges his bow you move the stick to choose the type of special arrow, also I'd change his final smash to something like the Divine Beast death beam that happens when you save all the Divine Beasts before the Calamity Ganon fight

[@mariustan9275]

@@dhi_holo Maybe in the next smash game, but tears was WAY after SSBU released.

[@RushWheeler]

So basically like the Toon Link mod in Rivals of Aether. He can switch between different arrows and bomb types, and can swap between a boomerang and a grappling hook for side special.

[@rakhoon8596]

I actually think making Young Link like his Hyrule Warriors counterpart would serve him really well. Not being able to use the shield and wield his sword like a two handed sword, with your final smash turning you into Fierce Deity like how Sonic could transform into supersonic would be really cool.

[@bradaloop]

Link does have the shield in Hyrule Warriors? (Original comment just said Link, has since been edited)

[@rakhoon8596]

@@bradaloop Sorry, I meant to say Young Link.

[@nightmarishtaco3434]

Honestly if they swap the kokiri sword with the great fairy sword, it be even better rep for Majora and its actually a sword he dual wields. Though, if they want to reference both i can see why they wouldn’t

[@dr.kokiri7013]

His shield can block arrows guns and anything that can be thrown that isnt too large.

[@Zoso55]

I would prefer his sword be swapped for the Gilded sword and mirror shield.

[@nathannoetzold3821]

If you allow me to dream a little, I think two amazing additions to the roster would Impa, from Skyward Sword (who could be an echo fighter for Sheik), and Midna, obviously. I think that now that we have Tears of The Kingdom, there's some possibility for change in Link's and Ganon's movesets (specially ganon).

[@TrueBruceTube]

Back when I first played Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity I thought Age of Calamity Impa would be a great character, and now that I think about it, I honestly think that thought aged well because I think Age of Calamity Impa would be cool and also kinda unexpected.

[@Yee-erOfHaws]

Both of those choices would be really cool additions and an updated Ganon would be awesome. For me personally, I'd love one of the 4 champions (or even all 4 of them, though it's highly unlikely). If it came down to my choice it'd have to be Daruk since he's my favorite and I'd love to see what kind of moveset they could make with him. I could totally see him having some kind of roll move for added mobility and a final smash that involves piloting Vah Rudania.

[@danielishere1012]

I think the idea of young link not really transforming, but just wearing the mask is badass. Honestly think it would be cooler than actually transforming. Also, link pulling out a powder keg out of his pocket would be really goofy looking, it would be much better than normal ass bombs

[@faroukabdel-idir4040]

even tho I like the idea for these new YL specials, classic bombs and boomerangs are way too emblematic in the zelda serie to not be in one of the Link's kit so i think keeping them on YL would be just great even tho that would mean no changes

[@danielishere1012]

@@faroukabdel-idir4040 That's fair

[@Icemario87]

There's something to be said for maintaining original movesets. The work that went into balancing a character's animations should not quickly tossed. That said, BotW Link really could have afforded a Divine Ability based B moveset.

[@illford]

​@Icemario87 tbf with the whole masks thing you could still reuse the animation with some slight tweaks it wod not be impossible. Or they can just steal other characters animations they arent really adverse to it. I'm also pretty sure Toon Link still uses his Brawl anims to an extent anyways same with some other characters

[@illford]

​@@Icemario87furthermore a lot of the FGC characters don't even have new animations they use ones from their games. Ryu and Ken use some SFV animations and Kazuya uses some Tekken 7 ones. I have zero clue about terry tbf

[@RyoneFuushiba]

A FS change I would make for Toon Link is to let his pirate friends have some fun. Not certain if it's a cinematic one or a "let's just bomb the stage" like they do at the Wind Waker stage, but I like to pretend it would also give Tetra some appearance in the game.

[@Marnie_C]

Imagine if they repurposed Snakes old final smash for toon link

[@Trianull]

Have the King of Red Lions come in to snag the opponents and transport them to the ocean, then have the pirate's ship follow up to run them over

[@dwqafaefa...]

@@Trianull The less complicated the better

[@Trianull]

@@dwqafaefa... I forgot to mention that it'd act like Captain Falcon's final smash, the pirate stuff would all be a cutscene. It sounds more complicated than it is.

[@dwqafaefa...]

@@Trianull Oh, I like it

[@Thephoenixofstories]

20:25 This rule isn’t always true, the Ganon in Four Swords is a completely different Ganon, and so is King of Gloom from TOTK

[@TheFrozenSheep]

For his final smash, I think Toon Link should use the train from Spirit Tracks. They could have him ride it forward a bit into a cutscene, where the train runs over anyone who got hit. That or they could bring in Linebeck to do something with his ship!

[@jickboi308]

Since this one is specifically based on wind waker link, I’d say pull from phantom hourglass and wind waker for moves so the linebeck option would be better.

[@lordquagsire5714]

I was thinking that same thing but maybe he could have it drive off after the move ends across the stage?

[@Whodjathink]

I'VE GOT IT!! Have his Final Smash be a cutscene one, where the opponent is bombarded by a barrage of bombs from Lineback, the Pirates and the Red Lion. 😤

[@DavidTokugi44]

I say for Toon Link he should call upon the help of Tetra and her pirate crew and fire a barrage of cannons at the opponents

[@gabrielclamens3151]

I was myself thinking of Toon Link using a time orb, you know, against Phantom hourglass's final boss ? He stops the time and lashes out at his opponent ! But a Linebeck borbadement sounds great too

[@LogicDuel]

Something else that could make toon link more unique is giving him the grappling hook as a tether instead of the hookshot.

[@eclipse9727]

I think (Emphasis on think) the only weird thing with that idea is that most tethers are one handed, while grappling hook, in its most well known depiction, would be a two-handed tether. It's only made sense on luigi as the poltergeist can't actually snap to a ledge. So It might be a biiiit weird to implement. Maybe.

[@hismajesty6272]

They could give him Belmont forward and back airs, and have him snag enemies with it.

[@flaco3462]

i like that idea

[@MrLachapell]

Kinda impressive how he didn't even mentioned grab move in this video

[@RogerCassagnol]

oooooo that grappling hook would be cool edit: also imagine if they could put in an animation where if you hold the button he'll keep swinging the hook around but won't throw it until you let go of the button :o

[@Gabo_Metal]

19:52 For His Final Smash, The Other 3 Links From 4 Swords Appear And Make A Combo Attack Or Something

[@alexanderman31]

I think he should ride in on Tetra’s Pirate Ship which has the damage ability as the big and final Wii Fit pose on Wii Fit Trainer’s final smash

[@mercury8349]

Omg the wolf link and midna was a missed opportunity, I can just imagine what their move set is, they’re a double fighter similar to ice climbers, I’d also like to see the up special be midna just yeeting link in the air and floating after him

[@acedelta12]

YEETUS

[@marmageddon8657]

duck hunt. they would be duck hunt.

[@FloppinhaGamerinho2242]

​@@marmageddon8657 Between a Dog with a Duck, and Wolf Link and Midna, which one would you prefeer to play as?

[@marmageddon8657]

@@FloppinhaGamerinho2242 the one that wouldnt make 4 links

[@FloppinhaGamerinho2242]

@@marmageddon8657 I mean, at the time that they could have been introduced there was only 2 Links, so I guess it wasn't too bad.

[@qwertypop0449]

Since we just got a new Ganondorf appearance, I really hope they use that to drastically change his moveset in the next game

[@nexidal9656legacy]

And this ganondorf fights. They could reference all of his moveset with his final battle. And, for the final smash (BIG SPOILER): dark dragon

[@Band36Alt]

​@@nexidal9656legacynext time hide the spoiler by adding more space so you need to press read more

[@frogelle16]

@@nexidal9656legacy RIGHT THO THAT WOULD BE AN EPIC FINAL SMASH

[@JustAPaperface]

17:19 Hell, keep it functionally the same but he does it as the Fierce deity and shoots out the blade beams like mii swordfighter while he does it. Boom great Final Smash

[@Thunder-Sky]

ever since Brawl, I've always wanted Toon Link's final smash to incorporate the windwaker like having the Ballad of Gales summon a typhoon would be brilliant

[@kk_artist5446]

Yeah I was totally thinking that! It should be like Bayonetta or DK’s final smash where the player is incorporated into timing the final smash right. So when activated, the 4/4 spaces shows on the top and if timed right, the cyclones appears and attacks with the cutscene of whoever gets caught in it. That would’ve made better sense for his representation tbh

[@onlookerofthings6029]

I'd also love to see more taken from Hyrule Warriors. It did so much for so many characters like giving Ganondorf his trident from A Link to the Past and Sheik's harp turning into elemental attacks and it's amazing

[@monokane5942]

Hyrule Warriors just did an amazing job overall on characters. Sheik, Ganondorf are examples, Young Link is absolutely perfect with his mechanic around Fierce Deity Mask, they gave Toon Link the Sand Wand with a lot of references to Spirit Tracks, and they even put Tetra in the game! (As Brawl wanted to do probably). If Smash devs wants inspirations for new movesets on Zelda characters they should just look at the work on Hyrule Warriors. Truly an amazing spin-off

[@tomdekler9280]

Keep Ganondorf mostly the same, add Ganon from A Link to the Past as a newcomer. Boom. Solved.

[@samwellcheck562]

@@tomdekler9280 I can get behind the second half of your statement, but will fight you to the death on the first. Ganondorf needs MAJOR, MAJOR reworking in smash. He is both a terrible representation of the character spiritually and one of the WORST characters in the game mechanically, and has been across every single entry since his introduction in melee. He needs to be taken back to the drawing board and COMPLETELY redone, purging every last sliver of "cpt. falcon but slow" from his moveset.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@tomdekler9280 The problem is that Pig Ganon is too big for Smash. Ridley works because he's so scrawny, but not Pig Ganon.

[@supersonic4863]

in the fan game super smash bros crusade, they turned ganon into this dope wizard, where his neutral special was a chargable dead mans volley, with longer charge sending more projectiles. he also has a crazy upsmash where he holds his sword up and it shoots lightning onto it, in reference to demise from skyward sword. dude was absolutely amazing in that.

[@perfumedgnat9659]

I can definitely see Wolf Link and Midna as a new fighter. Maybe have the Fused Shadow as their final smash, and the "field of darkness" thing that Midna does for a down special.

[@partyrock4144]

Duck hunt echo fighter

[@RealMelodyHope]

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING SINCE THE 3DS/WII U DAYS

[@MarboTheMapo]

The furries are coming

[@FireFoxie1345]

@@MarboTheMapothey already came. Lucario and Duck Hunt are popular among furries

[@rawcyan8730]

As a suggestion for young link, Tie the masks to the shield + B input inkling uses. Basically he stays the same as current but when entering “mask mode” you transform and do the special associated with the mask, making a stronger version of the special Mask mode would only last one move and would basically add extra startup and end lag to a special but give it a lot of extra bang The input chain would be: Shield > B > Direction = Mask Special Edit: rather than pulling out and holding the explosive keg, I imagine goron link immediately chucks it but it won’t immediately explode if it doesn’t hit an enemy kinda like the barrel item, link then could pick it up and chuck it again or detonate it with the flame arrows

[@aceofspades8474]

That’s a cool idea, I was thinking it could be a charge thing where holding the special button would charge it allowing him to transform and use a upgraded version of the move, but this could also be a cool way to do it.

[@omegawaffles7348]

that’ll be dope tbh. i would like to goron roll. also he should get a magic bar to make the transformations more powerful with their moves

[@JohnboyTheGamer]

The good and bad representation is exactly what is really making me want to express my ideas I have for Smash. Following Brawl it feels like the newcomers that has joined since has had a rework overall in how they should be represented. You can tell just looking at it. And so it falls on the previous franchises that show to have worst representation than newer one. Look at Mega Man, Simon, and others. I want that same love to be put into the old characters. One idea I have for Zelda franchise which I believe I have also seen others say. Sakurai is a moveset purest. Which comes at a detriment because when old characters SHOULD be updated, they're either just ignored in favor newcomers or given minimal changes. So if Sakurai wants old movesets to return, retool Ganondorf, and give his moveset to Black Shadow from F-Zero. Another said part is the fact even though they gave Ganondorf a sword, it's just Ike's up and side smash. GIVE HIM NEW JUICE! (Edit: I just got to the Black Shadow part lol)

[@dabooce6636]

Not having fierce deity link with his blade beam as his final smash for young link is still criminal

[@poweredvoltage3213]

What makes Ganondorf and Falcon funnier is that if you flip either of their renders they look very similar

[@OrbitalFrog_]

Personally my most wanted Zelda character is… Ganon! Not ganondorf, but ganon himself, with his look from a link to the past. Neutral: Blazing bats, he spins his trident overhead summoning fire bats and after a short delay they will fly in a straight line to the opponent. They can’t change direction after moving. Side special: trident warp, ganon tosses his trident straight forward, and 2 things can happen depending if the button is held or not 1. If the button is let go, the trident will boomerang backward and back into ganon’s hands. 2. If the button is held, ganon will warp to the trident right before it would normally turn around and catch it. Up special: Leap, ganon will jump upwards and if he doesn’t grab a ledge, he will slam straight downward. If he lands on the ground, he will cause a miniature earthquake around him, about a character lengths away, causing anyone on the ground near him to trip. The initial jump goes about as high as bowsers up special, and can spike right as he changes into a slam. Down special: technique of darkness, ganon will shield himself with his cape, and disappear in a puff of smoke, ganon will be invisible for 5 seconds and is able to use all of his moves normally. It has a 10 second cooldown, and when he is invisible, if you press the down special button again ganon will reappear, but the cooldown will still be the same. Final smash: The golden power, ganon does a large sweeping cape flip (like meta knights old final smash intro) and teleports any caught foes to the pyramid of power. While here, ganon will pull the completed triforce out and lay an absolute beat down on the opponents, with a bright yellow hue coming from him. At the end of the move the opponents will be launched away normally. I think this would be a neat character, and he also uses the same attacks he does in a link to the past.

[@isaacmahoney5947]

Honestly the one change I would make here is that toon link should include representation from other toon Zelda games, for example I think the final smash should use the four sword, a taunt that makes link smaller like in the Minish cap ect

[@tomdekler9280]

I think a nice, subtle touch would be if they made Link's alt colors wield the Four Sword instead.

[@cacokid1489]

Personally, I think it would be awesome if the main Link was set up like a composite of multiple incarnations rather than being based on one specific Link. He could have unique animations for his moves showing him using items from across the series, and his alternate costumes could be each based off different incarnations like The Hero of Time, Twilight, Sky, etc, so people can play as their favorite Link.

[@xandresrodriguez4948]

Sounds like a good idea, but that would mean that each one would have the same moveset. Nothing wrong with that until you have it up to scale

[@CalebCox-qb8ji]

The song that starts at young Link’s part what is it called?

[@PlanetSaturnz]

Can this become a series? Would love to see how you improve other series’ representation

[@Inkling2]

next one should be sonic!

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Inkling2 You know how sandopolis zone from Sonic 3 can be a really long level????? That's Smash Sonic when he's using Timeouts in a nut shell. Sonic game's aren't just about speed there also about platforming and exploration, which can make some levels complex. Sandopolis Zone is the most extreme example of this. When Sonic is not using timeouts, he has to attack the opponent when he's making a mistake. Referencing Sonic boss fights where he has to run away from the boss until they expose a weak point. As to why Sonic is not expressive that's Sega's fault, so there's not much Sakurai can do. As for the stages, they to focus on stages that would potential for platforming rather than what looks cool. As to why Sonic moves are similar, that's because he's already high tier because he's so fast. Improving his moves could make him broken. You would have to slow him down to make him stronger. The point is representation and balance at the same time is not easy.

[@atari6400]

@@orangeslash1667didn’t even read the rest of the comment yet but that opening line is amazing lmfao

[@orangeslash1667]

@@atari6400 Thanks

[@leedlelel2373]

kirby and sonic...

[@vincentpey3929]

Another idea for Ganondorfs moveset: have him throw the trident ganon uses in the 2D games, it would then get stuck in the ground if it made contakt and then you could eather go and retrieve it or input the same button and it would come back, while spinning like it does in 2D zelda games.

[@jafetsandovalurbina235]

Ganondorf moves could not only been base off of just the 4 Ganondorfs, but also from the diferent versions of Ganon.

[@Danny328DT]

I'm surprised he doesn't have a spear projectile or energy beams in Smash.

[@duckified.]

major spoilers for tears of the kingdom ending - it would be fucking awesome if ganondorf turned into demon dragon for his final smash. he could appear behind the stage like giga bowser and spit fireballs wherever the reticle is aimed

[@tywerr_]

@@duckified. that’d be sick

[@sinteleon]

@@duckified. I think TotK ganondorf should be made it's own entity outright, but yes.

[@p0rk3_p1g8]

​@@duckified. i made a seperate comment where i said that gannon should be reworked into tears of the kingdom gannon with something similar as his final smash, it could make him one of the greatest characters of all time

[@glamtthefrozenmonke144]

13:23 looking back I love how another KZbinr actually did do this

[@rubub8455]

I hate how Link's alts are just recolored versions of his two outfits instead of the actual outfits

[@HollowKidneys]

Breath of the Wild Link? He changes outfits for some of his alts. Dark link, Fierce Deity and The classic Link outfit. The fierce deity alt isn't 1 to 1 but it's definitely recognizable.

[@rubub8455]

@@HollowKidneys yeah but they're all recolors instead of the actual outfits

[@HollowKidneys]

@@rubub8455 yeah most of them are, but he does change outfits for Dark Link and Classic link. He gets longer sleeves, the Link Hat and the tunic. I would even call fierce deity an outfit change since he gets white eyes and the red markings.

[@UltraChee1056]

Afaik many of them are based off of his old alts, which were based off of the different outfits in OOT, which were just recolors to a red and blue tunic

[@LARAUJO_0]

They can't _all_ be separate costumes. Modelling is time-consuming

[@andyenglish4303]

Also: Toon Link's final smash should be a sword slash that stuns, followed by signaling to Tetra, and we get a cutscene of Tetra and her crew just blasting the heck out anyone stunned by the initial attack with the ship's cannons.

[@levialy8244]

They could re-introduce TP Link and make his down special to transform into wolf, just like Zelda used to have a transformation, and makes a lot of sense, I mean later in the game, Link can transform at will, I never understood why they never tried it. Great video! I really loved all the ideas you came for each Link, except Ganondorf, since he is a little more tricky, since his model is based on OoT, the game where we see the least amount of moves, besides that energy ball, I feel like it would be more easy to think of a moveset for Ganondorf, if his model was based on WW, the game where we actually see a lot more moves (in comparison to Ganondorf OoT)

[@mxcokoko]

Something they could've done for Link is to split him into two, reflecting the traditional 3D Zelda and the BOTW formula; looking at how Young Link and Toon Link could've become drastically different, I think having 4 Links would be neat, alongside it being a reference to the drastically overlooked Four Swords subseries.

[@pacack824]

I was going to comment the same thing if no one else did. Add "Classic Link" and make it OoT Link. If anything, the OG Link feels like an omission to me given that Everyone is Here.

[@sparrow_solas]

Fuck it, add 10 Links

[@aneasteregg8171]

Dear god no more Links please, we already have more than enough

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

People would get mad at having four Link’s, but I wouldn’t mind having a classic Link that has costumes split between OOT and TP

[@sparrow_solas]

@@thedapperdolphin1590 oot was his best design

[@badingott]

I can't believe Impa never made it into the smash series. She was as important in OOT as shiek and actually had importance afterwards. Also I love how Hyrule warriors fixed all the complains about The Zelda representation before Ultimate came out. They could have taken some inspiration from that.

[@dhi_holo]

Combining more of the Impas into Sheik's kit would be cool, like stuff from Age of Calamity

[@orangeslash1667]

@@dhi_holo The problem is that Sakurai struggles to balance characters from combo heavy games. Impa in smash could another Smash 4 Bayonetta dilemma???

[@pepperyk4]

I was just thinking this! Plus we never got a toon zelda/tetra. Majora and beast form Ganon would also be cool potential additions

[@orangeslash1667]

@@pepperyk4 The problem is that Din's Fire, Nauru's Love, and Farore's Wind were never used in Windwaker. So a Toon Zelda using the three spells may not work, especially since Zelda wasn't playable til Spirit Tracks.

[@pepperyk4]

@@orangeslash1667 yeah I don’t think you could give her a reskin of Zelda’s move set. It would probably have to lean more into tetra and even then she doesn’t rlly do much in wind waker

[@cpt.white96]

The roster is also so big in ultimate they need to introduce drop down folders of each franchise to the new smash

[@TheAsianGmer]

I think that for toon link having something reference sailing or trains would be great. A final smash that releases a flood so a boat comes through or lays tracks for a train would be great imo.

[@mrmeme4203]

I feel the issue with Link is that he is meant to represent Zelda as a whole. Typically his move set reflects this as items like the bow, boomerang, and bombs are mainstays in the Zelda series, so having Link use them is understandable as it keeps him consistent with every incarnation of Link instead of just one despite taking the appearance of most recent adult Link. They take some of the most recognizable aspects of Link’s arsenal across the series and put them into a single character to represent the entire series. If you trade some of Link’s Master Sword attacks for other weapons in BoTW then you are getting rid of Link’s focus on swordplay and his most iconic weapon. While having specials like Stasis would be cool it disconnects Link from the rest of the series. I feel the other Links should be the ones to break away from the mold of using iconic weapons and use specific abilities and powers from their games or series like Young Link using the masks as his specials and Toon Link taking items from Toon games. And base Link should represent Zelda as a whole instead of prioritizing one game over the rest of them.

[@kenspeedway1572]

Champion Link deserves his whole new character slot tbh.

[@ShadowAraun]

@@kenspeedway1572 i agree with this honestly. a whole new slot for champion link, and a brush up on standard link, maybe with some combat arts.

[@kenspeedway1572]

@@ShadowAraun bring up the OOT design for default Link and bring the new stuff to champ; that way everyone should be happy. Champ could be a dinamic character like Pokémon Trainer or Aegis, switching up between the 3 types of weapons from his game (they would share the same animations though.) Things like fuse would be a hard thing to adapt, I think it would be better leaving that as his final smash. I can imagine something like, items always appearing in the scenario so you can fuse them, but that would make him Hero 2. It's a total mess. But for the other stuff... yea, you can work with it.

[@mrmeme4203]

@@kenspeedway1572 Pretty much instead of just replacing original Link

[@thebiolibrary5572]

Plus, you could switch out Young Link and Champion Link's slots considering OoT Link was the original Link in Smash. I feel that'd make sense with how Ganon went back to his OoT design and Zelda her ALTTP design. The Hero of Time is _the_ Link for most people.

[@LilacMonarch]

What made me a little disappointed is that they didn't even update Young Link's appearance to his MM version. I can understand why he was the way he was in Melee, since in that game all the Zelda characters were matching, but they don't anymore. So the very least they coud have done is simply change the look of his equipment - Razor or Gilded sword, Hero or Mirror shield, Hero's bow, gold hookshot, etc. Also totally agree on the FD final smash. Like it could be the exact same cutscene, except instead of the Triforce thing it's just FD Link going to town on you with the helix sword

[@tropicturtle9021]

I feel like it’s just the simple fact that young link is supposed to represent ocarina of time specifically. Like ocarina of time is such an important, influential game in Nintendos history that the game basically gets its own representative in young link. That wouldn’t really be a thing anymore if they updated him to his MM design.

[@LilacMonarch]

@@tropicturtle9021 I guess, but they already changed ganondorf to his OoT incarnation so that role is already fulfilled imo

[@Aukejorrit]

Ganondorf would now be the tears of the kingdom version. Spread gloom, use different weapons, flurry rush (a'la witchtime), use gloomhands. So many new options! Also for a new character: mineru in her construct mech form would be so much fun as a new heavy. Or any of the sages. Or Rauru, Purah, Robbie, Master Kohga. So many great options!

[@RadiantSharaShaymin]

KOHGA- Sorry, *ahem* yes. Master Kohga would be an excellent addition to the roster.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

>Samurai Goroh gets into Smash mainly using his sword >TOTK Ganondorf gets in after him >TOTK Ganondorf is just another weird hybrid of Goroh and people nickname him *Gorohdorf* That would be the funniest shit ever! But all jokes aside, Black Shadow would kill so many birds with one stone just from being added to Smash and he looks like Batman too to top it off.

[@hismajesty6272]

Rauru having the hand abilities would be awsome

[@bananaplane5494]

I think that the smash team would be most likely to add master kohga as a character because other characters would probably make fans of the characters similar to them mad

[@italolxd3128]

@@hismajesty6272 Rauru with his hand abilities would be perfect. That way we can somewhat get a moveset based on TotK Link without having another Link.

[@Piiiiiiiiit]

For Toon’s final smash I always thought it would be funny as hell if he had a cutscene where he hopped on the spirit train with ghost Zelda and ran over the opponent. Maybe have his head out the window makin a goofy face while he honks the horn. Idk man, just feels right.

[@Thewrongway198]

17:18 maybe in young links final smash they could do the hyrule warriors move and slash the moon with the player on it

[@aquila1154]

I remember playing Super Smash Flash back in the day, and what they did to Link was very neat! 1. When holding a bomb, you could charge your arrow and your bomb would attach to it! 2. His grab was his signature Hookshot. It could grab onto ledges as a horizontal recovery option. 3. His boomerang notably hit a bit harder but was less dexterous, and was the Twilight Princess Gale Boomerang 4. His back air was a kick!

[@TrueBruceTube]

Alright did you really have to write #4 with an exclamation point?

[@themustardthe]

@@TrueBruceTubeikr, hasn’t it always been a little 1-2 kick?

[@Bizabizow]

YES!! BANGER concept showcase, love this style of video so much! Very well done 👍 Also, something I was thinking of while watching; as an possible alternative solution to the Young Link transformation problem with his specials, you could instead have him summon the spirits of the deceased characters from Majora’s Mask that are housed in each mask; and have them quickly perform the moves instead, while Link wears each mask. So, Darmani III lobs the powder keg, Mikau throws the fin boomerangs, and the unnamed son of the deku butler carries link up into the air with the flower propellers. Visually, Darmani and Mikau could work like Joker’s Arsèn, and just stand slightly in front and behind young link’s model while they do the attacks. Your concept works just fine as well though, I could see either one looking rad in-game!

[@DragonMan-tj3eg]

I think that Link should have had a move that references the divine beasts. A cutscene where they get hit with the laser they all shoot at gannon would have been cool and pretty fitting.

[@thequagiestsire]

I really want them to ditch the sword and go for his trident. He’s had it in several games, primarily as Ganon but once as Ganondorf in Hyrule Warriors, and it could function completely separately from all other weapons in the game, being used to draw foes in rather than knock them away so that you can get the killing blow with your bare hands. That would exude power, intimidation, and a complete lack of respect for your foe, which would be magnificent for the Demon King.

[@Tomneom]

TOTK Spoilers Or have him change weapons like he does in the final fight? Or just have Mipha/Sidon using the lightscale trident

[@Autumnityyy]

I think it would be cool if Sheik had a moveset that had some inspiration from the Yiga clan. The Yiga are Sheikah afterall, and as observed by the monk boss fight, they both use very similar fighting techniques.

[@TrinityCore60]

I’m pretty sure Impa uses some Yiga-like moves in Age of Calamity, so that would make sense.

[@tomdekler9280]

Problem is the Yiga wield swords and Sheik does not. And if you take away the sword, what you get is them having a hunched fighting stance (which Sheik has), running quickly and low to the ground to perform a dashing strike (which Sheik does), and vanishing and appearing somewhere else for a sneakstrike (which Sheik does). At best it would have been really cool to have the Yiga/Maz Koshia ring effect appear during up-B, but in blue and using letters from the Ocarina of Time script instead of ancient Sheikah.

[@LancerLot06]

Maruo is influential, maybe even more than zelda, because mario literally brought back popularity to gaming after it was about to die, and it created the first 3D game, not to mention how it is so iconic, it litterally brought back and changed gaming as a whole

[@foogles1526]

For Sheik maybe they could borrow some stuff from the original Hyrule Warriors, it does have a lot of basic ninja stuff, but it also uses the songs and lyre in an interesting way For Botw Link, i always thought that side-b should be something similar to Urbosa's fury, and changing the up b to Revali's Gale, and shield to Daruk's protection, you would have 3/4 champions represented Also, it would have been cool if he had an unique character entrance to the Sheika Tower, where instead of gliding down to it, he could appear after teleporting

[@zigazav1]

Understandable to exclude Mipha's Champion Ability from that, her entire ability is just to revive you if you die. Something that would not work well in Smash Bros

[@SteelPokeNinja]

@@zigazav1 They could also just make it a special respawn animation, where you see Mipha float away after you respawn

[@mr.awesome6011]

Unpopular Opinion: Shiek needs to go. She's only been in one mainline game and never actually fought or did anything of the such until games like Smash and Hyrule Warriors came along. Two games that are not canon to the main Zelda games. Any ideas that they have for moves that they could give her should go to a new fighter with similar attributes. Member Berries are the only thing keeping her employed.

[@hasthehighground8560]

@@mr.awesome6011 Sheik should be replaced with Impa, specifically Impa from Skyward Sword. That way each Zelda character represents a different game Link - BOTW Zelda - LTTP Ganondorf -OOT Young Link - MM Toon Link - WW Impa - SS Also if I could I’d add Midna and Wolf Link to represent Twilight Princess

[@bukenator0788]

mipha's grace could be a special stamina mode death animation (except for the last stock, obviously)

[@duckified.]

impa would be a perfect new addition to the roster. she appears in multiple zelda games, and age of calamity gave her awesome moveset potential.

[@BJGvideos]

She's my second most wanted character (first is Terra Branford).

[@samwellcheck562]

My idea is to have Impa replace Sheik, seeing as she's separate from Zelda now and Sheik isn;t even a real ninja, just a spoiled princess LARPing as one for a disguise. Impa goes all the way back to the very first Zelda and has consistently been Zelda's guardian in one form or another, until Ganondorf stops LARPING as cpt. falcon she makes more sense as a smash character than he does. Only issue being that she's usually really old, but she wasn't in OoT so there ya go.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@samwellcheck562 Ganon being a Falcon clone would be disappointing if Falcon as a one to one translation of F-zero, Caption Falcon in Smash is fast, strong and that's it. So Ganon in Smash is like Falcon in that he reflects the Zelda series from a (symbolic stand point) rather than literal representation. Ganon in kinda represents Zelda boss fights, they are the most defensive bosses in all of video games, but they're also the most exploitable bosses ever. Ganon boss fights are especially explicable, even when he's using magic he is extremely predicable.

[@Platypus_Gaming_1]

Perhaps as a sort of mini-series, you could go over all of the game IP’s with “a lot” of representation instead of “good” representation, and your suggestions on how to either tweak existing material or simply add/remove things; an example of something being tweaked could be some Pokémon getting moves based on actual Pokémon moves that they can learn, and an example of something being added/removed could be like substituting one stage for another, like subbing Unova league for Poké Floats, or just adding a completely new stage set in one of the more modern regions (an idea I had was to have a stage set in the wild areas of Galar, with stage hazards being both natural encounters of different Pokémon and natural events that would play out like sandstorms, perhaps even a special event that references the unique Dynamax mechanic where a random Pokémon from the background would suddenly turn giant and go on a rampage, with trainers in the background fighting it and the players just being caught in the crossfire. The Dynamax event would occur alongside the arrival of the darkest day and Eternatus, since Eternatus is the source of all the Dynamax energy and that event is what made wild Pokémon Dynamax in the first place).

[@sirsc.]

Another quick idea for champion representation of Link in smash: What if whenever he respawns on that little hover thing, there were bubbles around him and the greenish blue champion fire, symbolizing Mipha's grace? Of course it would dissipate as he returns to the battlefield

[@britishtransformersfan]

I think it should be daruks protection

[@RetroGameDays36]

I feel like Toon Link could also have a bit of a Phantom Hourglass rep as well considering the Toon Link in Smash is the Hero of the Winds which had Phantom Hourglass as his second adventure, maybe his final smash could be a PH combo, sort of like Bayonetta's Final Smash

[@CRios25]

Minish cap counter

[@RetroGameDays36]

@@CRios25 that's an entirely different Link but I guess it would work as well

[@ECartmanist]

Feels some people are like "Every series has great representation expect the one you like"

[@BlueGray202]

Maybe he should do one about the one that the creator of smash made *cough cough kirby cough cough*

[@donnalowrance5811]

I hat how accurate that is 🤣

[@PJiggles]

Lmao maybe so, though I think it just feels like that with the series you especially like because you're a lot closer to them emotionally. For the most part I think Smash represents its series well. Other series I enjoy such as Pikmin, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing, Minecraft, Banjo-Kazooie and Splatoon are very well represented imo

[@ECartmanist]

​@@PJiggles I like that more people are taking critical ( not in a cynical way ) look at Smash instead of just praising Sakurai

[@danielarputharaj9918]

​@@PJiggles it's weird how a lot of the main series are underrepresented. A lot of the series you mentioned are newer compared to staple series like Pokemon and Kirby, yet they feel better represented. Kirby in particular has no modern representation AT ALL, which is astonishing but perhaps not suprising considering that a certain someone only worked on the older Kirby titles.

[@AlX-zi6ux]

I think for Toon Link's final smash it could involve flooding the stage and running the opponent over with the king of red lions but the finisher from the end of the game would fit so well too.

[@Amarusia728]

03:10 well yes but no, theoricly yes but lore wise its sketchy, Ganon is, well Ganon and you can also say that Young link is the younger breath of the wild link, al though of a diferent time line, zelda (spoilers) is sheik si there are 3/4 depending of where you ask

[@intotheindie8821]

For me, I would make Toon Link's boomerang be something that functions like Pac Man's side special, where you aim it by drawing a path. This is a reference to how the boomerang works in the DS games.

[@willdangerfield50468]

It’s a bit of a stretch, but I kinda love the idea of young links special moves being done by the statues he summons using the elegy of emptiness

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Every Link Costume should be a different version of Link, looks wise. Zelda 1 and 2 Link, Link's Awakening Link, Link to the Past Link, Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask Link, Twilight Princess Link, Skyward Sword Link, Breath of the Wild Link, and Tears of the Kingdom Link.

[@pallukun]

its important to note that flame choke is distinctly a ganondorf move, he used it in twilight princess to kill one of the sages, i wouldnt mind if he got a new moveset but he should keep flame choke

[@DanSutherland]

Elbow thrust is also in TP. Smash Gannondorf may have actually influenced his cannon moveset outside of Smash.

[@castform7]

Ganondorf is a textbook representation of my opposition to the philosophy used with some Smash characters. That because they were like this in the first game they appeared even with rushed development that's how they'll stay. To me, properly resenting a character means much more than alienating a player base. The worst part is, they don't even stay consistent. Luigi and Falco have far risen past the people that actually make sense for them to clone so why is Ganon of all characters exempt. It legitamately makes no sense and will always be an error until properly updated.

[@JuanIgnacioMonso]

I always thought that Ganodorf would have to be a heavy launcher with a bunch of projectiles that do a lot of damage but are slow.

[@Kylekashi]

Really interesting concepts! For Zelda and especially Shiek they could take some inspiration from Hyrule Warriors! In that game, Shiek fights using harp based moves just as you suggested! Will you do other franchises as well? Mario could certainly use an overhaul for example!

[@griefingg0lem685]

Quite literally how I feel about Kirby in Smash. Great video though, I really like your take for Young Link because people tend to always overlook that that the transformations would be slow and costly.

[@doorbox788]

i think they should make Zelda and Sheik work like Aegis, where they can freely switch between one another using one of their specials. Same with ZSS and Samus!

[@davidsayas5775]

you mean, exactly how it was in melee?

[@doorbox788]

@@davidsayas5775 yes

[@yiaftokal5932]

Amazing. You represented my thoughts exactly except you were more well-founded and had more visual flare. I am very interested to see how you would rework different characters, especially Sonic.

[@Helios2737]

Personally I would've made Yink's Smash Attacks be the transformation mask moves, would give him room to actually charge the attacks (Albiet they'd all be fairly laggy moves, I think that's fine)

[@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas]

Uh oh typo you know what's coming

[@Helios2737]

@@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas What typo?

[@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas]

@@Helios2737 Sorry, I never knew people call Young Link “Yink”

[@Helios2737]

@@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas it's okay DW, no need for apologies

[@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas]

@@Helios2737 Seemed a bit too ridiculous for people to call him Yink to the point I really couldn't assume anything but it being a typo

[@raiden_shogun8370]

The adult link does more damage than toon and child link and there is a thing called the wild set and the fierce deity should be a COMPLETELY difficult character.

[@artmoonsilva]

Kind of a strange hot take here, but I always thought Ganondorf should have been an echo fighter of Zelda's. People forget he's mostly a wizard and a strategist rather than a big punchy man, so giving him a stronger yet slower moveset that references Zelda's magic might be interesting in my eyes. Keep the floaty move for his up special and he could even teleport into his version of Din's Fire for his side special, giving him more recovery, while also making him a menacing version of Zelda. For the down special he could summon a random member of his army, sometimes it could be super strong like a Lionel, but most of the time it would be Lizalfos and Bokoblins. Again making it the same yet different from Zelda's charged armor. I love the idea of his classic lighting orb being his neutral special though, so that could stay. And to top it off, keep his sword for the smash attacks to further make him different from Zelda. I'm kinda spitballing here's but what do y'all think?

[@calebkaminski6951]

That and a bit of sword based attacks since he is a swordsmen

[@orangeslash1667]

@@calebkaminski6951 Ganon being a Falcon clone would be disappointing if Falcon as a one to one translation of F-zero, Caption Falcon in Smash is fast, strong and that's it. So Ganon in Smash is like Falcon in that he reflects the Zelda series from a (symbolic stand point) rather than literal representation. Ganon in kinda represents Zelda boss fights, they are the most defensive bosses in all of video games, but they're also the most exploitable bosses ever. Ganon boss fights are especially explicable, even when he's using magic he is extremely predicable.

[@calebkaminski6951]

@@orangeslash1667 looking at it like that it's pretty good ( not from a balancing perspective as being predictably kinda nerfs a character )

[@orangeslash1667]

@@calebkaminski6951 Villains are some of the hardest characters to balance in a fighting game. Ganon has the Triforce of Power, so for Smash he has a powerful moveset. However it comes at the cost of everything else!!!!!!! This means that Ganon can't afford to make a mistake, because every attack will leave him vulnerable. He feels less like a character and more like a playable boss to the absolute extreme.

[@calebkaminski6951]

@@orangeslash1667 once again looking at it like that it is pretty cool

[@blackrapier713]

Honestly for Ganondorf it'd be nice if they played more into his wizardry. Maybe have his side special be the evil he pushed Link and Navi with, Maybe give him the teleport as a down special too. Turn him from a grappler into a slow and bulky zoner.

[@SuperSonicbros4]

Hey PJiggles. Quick question. Will you make a video on eonic just like you did witht he legend of zelda and also what sonci character do you want to see playable in super smash bros. Fot its tails, knuckles, Eggman, and shadow. Whats yours

[@EtheRenard]

Also, I find it kinda odd that the Master Sword is represented in 3 characters: Link, Toon Link and... Mii Swordfighter. For Toon Link, there are tons of swords, like the Four Sword, Lokomo Sword, Phantom Sword, etc... It would also be cool if something represent each games Toon Link is in. Like his FS, he could have a cutscene where he duplicates with the Four Sword, like in Minish Cap

[@lasercraft32]

The four Links are pretty iconic imo, so to me that would be the best final smash Toon Link could have!

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

They specifically go for WW Link though, so it would be weird to give him the four sword

[@thequickmasterrace6]

@@thedapperdolphin1590 okay so give him the Phantom Sword, Phantom Hourglass takes place not too long after Wind Waker since the Link of that game is the same one from Wind Waker

[@Topazdemonia]

I always thought it would've been cool for toon link to get ice arrows so each link had their own special kind of arrows. Then his down special could be bombchus that run across the ground after a quick arming time, think bowser jrs down spec. Finally make deku leaf his up special, in the air it creates a whirlwind that boosts him up that he can glide out of, but on the ground he fires an air blasts basically as the video describes. His grab could be the grappling hook. Down air could be the iron boots to make a stall and fall etc. (Maybe even something with clones like 4 swords/triforce heroes) There are some great ideas with links items that the smash team didnt utilize. You could honestly make like 10 different link movesets all based on different eras of link. Dark link, wolf link, adult link, champion link, toy link, 8-bit link etc.

[@ashbanasiak9385]

For Toon Links final smash it should be a cinematic smash where a giant wave of water comes at the opponent and then a bunch of windwaker enemies come barreling toward you and it shows the cartoony fight cloud effect then you get rammed by Links ship causing the smash to end.

[@msjsr9364]

I think Ganondorf could do with some stuff in his specials referencing Ganon himself. Maybe something to do with tridents or keese, or momentarily turning into Demise/Malladus/Calamity.

[@aelechdeepestflame4347]

Malladus isn’t even a Ganon incarnation though…

[@parasitone0814]

I would say maybe those could be taunts, victory screen or final smashes

[@GBDupree]

I think it would be cool if all the Zelda characters get 3 versions each. We got all 3 Links already, and 2 Zeldas (maybe add Tetra as the 3rd), so Ganondorf should have a trident wielding Ganon (more of the old look for a more classic feel), and sword wielding Demise. In this case, maybe Demise should inherit the current moveset so that Ganondorf himself will be freed up for more magic, and maybe BotW/TotK references. Of course, it'd probably be more interesting if we instead got different characters instead (like Impa instead of Sheik), but its hard to determine who that would be over any of the other memorable, but one-time-use, cast throughout the series.

[@itsmaxey4597]

I feel like the characters they brought back from the previous Smash games are more based on the way they were in those games rather than on how they are in their own games. Also I totally agree with all your ideas though this is definitely something they couldn't have done within the development time they had. But definitely fun to speculate what could have been

[@crybaybyart]

The “ for your nuts” and “your balls will thank you” made me giggle like a little girl

[@s_cabbage]

A day when PJiggles uploads is a good day.

[@jayvex2778]

Indeed

[@MrH.09]

just like a day without these comments

[@s_cabbage]

@Mr H. I mean it tho

[@jayvex2778]

@@MrH.09 man he is just being nice

[@jayvex2778]

@@MrH.09 not everyone does this to get at the top of the comment section

[@Deergon]

I feel like Shiek and Zelda could have gotten move sets to reference their Hyrule Warriors counterparts with Shiek getting a similar move set to his appearance in the original and Zelda getting a mesh of her two move sets in Age of Calamity. Easy to base moves on while also giving those two side games some pretty great rep.

[@countertrollspecialist5199]

...His?

[@americanidiot41]

​@@countertrollspecialist5199 Due to shenanigans sheik goes by he him. Interpret that however you want.

[@velvetbutterfly]

While OoT Shiek was masculine (with JP using neutral language) the Hyrule Warriors Shiek, which is also used in Smash 4, uses feminine language,.

[@BlackRose88-04]

@@velvetbutterfly Indeed there is there is nothing masculine about Shiek in Hyrule Warriors

[@miserylovesyou7540]

I think it's really important to remember that Smash is a stupidly popular game with a *lot* of demanding qualities. Designing *89* characters with totally unique movesets, that reflect their personalities and games accurately, is a HUGE amount of commitment, resources, and time. There seems to be a large misconception about game development, as seen in the crowd demand for GTA 6: These games take a TREMENDOUS amount of time and effort to make. On one hand, you have to write a good mainline story, character designs, themes, voice actors, side stories, art design, user interface, and much much more. On the software side, devs need to program THOUSANDS of different interactions between the player and the world, painstakingly sculpt tens of thousands of different models for characters, buildings, items, interactables, backgrounds, landscapes, and again, much more. Then there's the technical side: level design, overworld design, user interface, oundtracks...there are innumerable qualities that go into creating a game as big as Smash or GTA 6. Even with the massive teams of developers and writers both of these games have, there is just no way to have everything done overnight. Renderings, physics engines, continuities, all of these take a tremendous amount of effort, in order to make a coherent game. In the case of Smash, I do think that Ultimate is lackluster (at best) with their character representations: many of them are copy-pastes of each other, and I'm not just talking about the Fire Emblem characters. And given enough time, I think the Smash devs could potentially engineer characters to be great representations, each with their own unique moves and taunts, voicelines and models! But that could take years more than what the dev team is offered. Between demands of Nintendo executives and the impatience of the public, the Smash devs' main goal is to walk a thin line between producing results as fast as possible in order to release their game while ensuring that what they create isn't complete, unplayable garbage. That doesn't fully excuse everything the Smash devs have done, or rather, have not done. We, the consumers, expect quality, and when devs fail to deliver, on this, we get righteously upset because we payed damn good money to play their games. But it's really, really, really important to remember that the longer we wait, the better our games (typically) will be. It's somewhat baffling when the public demands that games be released early (such as in the case of Cyberpunk 2077), and the devs give in and release a buggy, alpha version dumpster fire, and then the public is all surprised and outraged that their game isn't ready. Games take much more time and effort to create than we the consumers will ever know. It sucks, having to wait 10 years for a new GTA 6 game, but it isn't because Rockstar is dragging their feet; it's because they're thoroughly pouring their love and passion into creating the best game they possibly can, for the fans they owe so much to. I wish the same could be said for Smash Bros.

[@Kota65936]

You mentioned Revali's Gale and Daruk's protection as well as Urbosa's fury for up-b in another vid but Link having a unique respawn animation would be so cool as well Edit: I forgor (💀) to mention that this animation would be mipha's ghost floating beside link while he's on the respawn platform

[@AdriMario]

Now that TOTK is out, it would be cool to have a "modern Link" (Totk Link, with "new" moveset using TOTK new in-game mechanics) and a "classic Link" (a Link with the classic moveset so that Link's mains won't get angry, oh, and left handed too :) ) in the next smash (although well, as you already said in the video we already have toon link and young link to cover the gap of normal Link, but I really miss Link from Twilight and would like for him or his OOT self to come back xD).

[@bacon7112]

You're right, Zelda is misrepresented, so in the next game I say they should add 5 more identical links and since people wanted him, skull kid as an echo of captain falc-

[@paddythelegend1671]

I think another thing that's purely visual you could do for Link is making Mipha appear on the respawn platform as if Mipha's Grace was used. And I think you mentioned this in a previous video, making Link's grounded up B Urbosa's fury. Also including all 4 runs from BOTW shouldve happened

[@DanielNubeDN]

I like the ideia of you making Smash concepts, giving ideias to bad reps and going a bit on the history of the character is pretty nice

[@DeeEll1]

what if the element of arrow kid link uses is different based on the mask hes wearing so doing a combo provides different results. like shooting an arrow right after zora boomerang makes it ice. shooting one right after goron powder keg is fire

[@Genasidal]

For Ganondorf's energy tennis, I also had the idea that, you can charge it to do the super big one from wind waker and ocarina, and also, when Ganondorf has thrown his projectile out, he can press the button again, in both the air and on the ground, to use his cape to deflect it, with really good frame data, to help him contend with others launching it back, and perhaps it also gives him a lil' recovery lift and twists people around, just like the mario capes!

[@stephanie_jjb]

I mean the simple answer on how to do the transformations with young Link is to only give each character Aerials and ground moves, each special changes you into the character. And maybe grab along with neutral b change you back to link

[@lasercraft32]

Aerials and ground moves are most of the moveset. :/ Notice how Pyra and Mythra have mostly different specials but ALL the same normals? There's a reason for that.

[@Flamewolf14]

super sick ideas! would love to see these in the games

[@masene4121]

For Toon Link's final smash, the two things I can think of are a cannon barrage from Tetra's ship if we want to focus entirely on Wind Waker. Or, alternatively, we keep a form of Tri-force Slash but have 4 links attacking the people hit instead of the triforce vfx, to represent 4 swords.

[@DjoingDalton]

My idea for a Ganondorf Down Special is him using his cape to reflect projectiles, one more reference to OoT's Dead Man's Volley. It'd also just be nice to have on a character as slow as Ganondorf.

[@Mohammed1000real]

You have no idea of how sick Midna could've been as a fighter.